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bingbagbo:
I weep for you
Jesus Christ is YHWH

bingbagbo:
Jesus Christ seated at the right hand of God actually means, Jesus Christ is seated on the highest throne , the throne of God

That is why they killed him.

jesusjnr:
Wouldn't be surprised if true because of the extent to which they undermine the Person of Jesus, and also some of the key aspects of His doctrine like that concerning Hell fire.

God bless.

shadeyinka:
I wish we don't have to go over this again.




Col 1:15-18:
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[color=black] He is the visible representation of the invisible God [/color]

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:
[color=black] ALL things include Angels, the 24 Elders, the Universe, Adam &Eve, Satan etc [/color]

All things were created by him, and for him:

[color=black] All things were created FOR HIM Check out Rev4:11 to know who this is [/color]


And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[color=black] By Him ALL things consist: meaning that everything is because of Him [/color]

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."


Please look at
Rev 4:8-11:
"And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. And when those beasts give glory and honor and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth forever and ever, The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

Please who is the one on the Throne that the four beasts and the 24 Elders worship?



And this same person is the WORD according to John1:1-5

John 1:1-5:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."


Check your bolded!
In Genesis Jehovah said, "Let there be Light, and there was Light"
But the Light is a created THING

Colossians and John affirms that those words were spoken by the WORD as the Word made everything that was made.

shadeyinka:
And "Father Abraham" mean created by Abraham!?

Two God's?
Where did you get that blasphemy!

Some people want a God that can be localised in space.

ICE, STEAM, WATER is H2O but you choose to see three different H2O.

Is the above difficult to comprehend: that
The FATHER, The WORD and The HOLY Spirit describes One GOD?

You are:
BODY, SOUL and SPIRIT which is You

If God is omnipresent, does it mean there are Billions of God?

shadeyinka:
Wrong!
Very very wrong.

Your answer makes sense only if God has a wife.

The answer is in this question: who came first: God or The Word?

vybzkartel:
You are a big fool to be attacking the truth Cant you read? You are a disgrace to fools

hupernikao:
EXPLANATION OF JOHN 1:1 (Theon and Theos)
Kindly read carefully.

Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος (NLT)
En archē ēn ho Logos kai ho Logos ēn pros ton Theon kai Theos ēn ho Logos (KJV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (KJV)

THEON
The word Theon occurred in the New Testament Scriptures 148 times. It simply means A deity, especially the supreme Divinity.




John 1:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 No man hath seen God (Theon) at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 14:1 King James Version (KJV)
14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God (Theon), believe also in me.



THEOS
The word Theos occurred in the New Testament Scriptures 311 times. It is also simply translated as A deity, especially the supreme Divinity same as Theon.
Observe the following text usage of Theos

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Observe that in the verses above God (almighty) was rendered as Theos and not Theon. It is also good to know that in the 311 times usage, Theos was referred to God almighty over 250 times without speaking about Jesus.
b]

God here is the Father, Almighty, yet Theos was used. That means the Greek did not used Theon as a reserved name for God almighty but used Theos likewise. As seen above, Theos (311 times) was used as twice as Theon (148 times) to refer to God in the scriptures.
The word Theos is a Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular

Now to John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (Theon), and the Word was God (Theos). (KJV)
From above explanation it should be clear to you that Theos and Theon means God and not a variant of God. So, the question will be why was Theon and Theos used here. Let us do a little of word construction study.

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Now, Back to our study.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (Theon), and the Word was God (Theos). (KJV)


The original Greek construction of the last part of the verse is "and God (Theos) was the Word." That makes it nominative.




As pointed out earlier do a word study on the usage of theos, you will see it was never used as something lesser than Theon. It is just sentence construction issue.




Hence John 1:1 usage of Theon and Theos is not a change of personalities. It is not referring to two personalities but one. [n this case Theon (The Word was God (Theon)). [/color]

bingbagbo:


See frustrations, lol

I love how you dodged the verse 10

You see your shame?

God says Jesus Christ laid down the foundation of the earth and his right hand established the universe

Compare that to Isaiah 48:13 then u would know Jesus Christ is the physical manifestation of YHWH



' Your throne oh God is forever and ever' is actually a quote from the book of Psalms 45 verse 6 and even that, the JW ridiculously corrupts it with God is your throne. Hahahaha, when did God become a throne?

You worship Jehovah who is a throne , I worship Jesus Christ who is the creator

*spits*

bingbagbo:
Mr. All other things, lol, your God Jehovah didn't create anything, I weep for you, bloody liar

bingbagbo:
I understand your frustrations and resort to invectives as usual

The evidence is too overwhelming, In John 10:30 Jesus told you He and his father are one, in John 14:8-10 he again told you He is the father yet you don't believe because you are like your father the devil, the father of lies

All other things indeed, so what did your jehova create? Lol

bingbagbo:
I am a former JW for your information

bingbagbo:
@1)
The Bible is clear on the fact that, God created all things (Genesis Chapter one et al).

@2)

In the new testament, the Bible tells us Jesus Christ created all things for himself.


@3)

New Living Translation
Chapter Parallel
Colossians 1:16 (NLT) for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.


Chapter Parallel
Colossians 1:16 (GNTA) For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him.


Good News Translation
Chapter Parallel
Colossians 1:16 (GNT) For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him.


Note the common phrase All things that runs through all the translations


@4 )
Look at the JW translation of same Collosians 1: 16

because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,o whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him.


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Preciousgirl:
No I think more than brainswashed


They are possessed with the arrogance with which they insist on their heresies

solite3:
they are brain washed

hupernikao:
Have you checked it yourself? Or you just take anything on the internet as true?

Reno, lack the understanding of the usage of words in Greek. All he posed above, like I said, a learned man in Greek will make a big jest of him. His writing are full of ignorance and laziness.

You to go to public domain to display knowledge on what you know nothing about.

Calling Theon God and then Theos not God but God but Yeshua is laughable.

Dafemich:
So because the Father is superior means they are not the same. The fact that the Father is superior, doesn't mean that they are not one and the same.

UceeGod:
Thank you for your effort on this. Unfortunately, anti-trinitarians will still not believe, let alone those religious fanatics that rely wholly on their own intelligence.

ChristisGod:
Why don't you address the OP?
Why are you not using the name of Jesus in all your deeds and words as stated in Colossians 3:17 but ur own chosen name of jehovah

hupernikao:
Call a Greek or one who is learned in the language, he will laugh seriously at the ignorance the man just displayed in explaining theon and theos. Sometimes it's good to avoid things you aren't well grounded in.

He just committed biblical suicide with that error he called interpretation.

madegreatbygrace:
(*1) @ Janosky. Oh, I see. You err!It's because the dictionary meaning of Father is different from the biblical meaning. Father in this case means "source". This implies that the life of Jesus when He walked the earth has its source from the Father. It's as simple as that.



@2)
The Jesus of the epistles is the exalted, glorified and resurrected Christ. The same Spirit, but different offices. As a point of emphasis, in the gospels, He's referred to as Jesus Christ but in the epistles He's referred to as Christ Jesus or Jesus Christ our Lord. The Jesus of the gospels was not all- knowing but the resurrected Christ is omniscient.This is supported by Philippians 2: 5 -11.

bingbagbo:
Revelation 4 King James Version (KJV)

4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.






8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,

10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

My question for you Janosky is, Who is on the throne?

Is it Jesus Christ or your Jehovah?


Don't run away oo

bingbagbo:
Interesting, so to you the plethora of versions which translatesa...and they will look upon me are all wrong? That's interesting

bingbagbo:
Then I will pour out on the house of David and on the people of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and prayer, and they will look on Me, the One they have pierced. They will mourn for Him as one mourns an only child, and weep bitterly for Him as one grieves a firstborn son (Zachariah 12:10)

This is the voice of YHWH

My question for you is..

When was YHWH pierced?

When was YHWH mourned for?


Still waiting

bingbagbo:
Then I will pour out on the house of David and on the people of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and prayer, and they will look on Me, the One they have pierced. They will mourn for Him as one mourns an only child, and weep bitterly for Him as one grieves a firstborn son (Zachariah 12:10)

This is the voice of YHWH

My question for you is..

When was YHWH pierced?

When was YHWH mourned for?


Still waiting

11thGoldTREE:
The Trinity is a mystery...
It's the holy spirit that can open your heart to understand
Mathematically speaking... 1+1+1=1 and 3+3+3=3
God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit

madegreatbygrace:
@Biblespeaks I don't know why this is open to arguments. It's been established in Hebrews 1 that the Father himself called Jesus God- Hebrews 1vs 8.Isaiah 9:6 calls Him mighty God. So, the deity of Jesus Christ should not be debated. Also, the concept of Jesus being called a son should be understood. Son, as it applies to Christ, does not mean "pikin " . The Greek word translated son is uihos. It means someone/ something that has the same nature or substance as the other.

Ihedinobi3:
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@1), it is clear that Hebrews sees the Father and the Son as two separate Persons. It is also rather obvious that Hebrews reports that the Father regards the Son as God. And we know that God is One, not two, from elsewhere in the Bible. Therefore, we must conclude that Hebrews teaches that Father and Son, though separate Persons, are one God and, therefore, one Being, since God is One.



@2)

For one thing, God is not "a" being. God is Being or Existence itself. That is what His Name YHVH or YHWH means. He is the "IS". Thus, He cannot be a multiple. He is the Infinite One. And in the One Infinite, there are Three Persons, according to the Bible. That there are multiple Persons in One single Infinite Being is obviously not in the experience of creatures,


@3)
there is one God and that there are multiple Persons Who are each God.


@4)
In John 20:17, the Scripture says:

[17]Jesus said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'"
John 20:17 NASB

And in John 8:54, it also says:

[54]Jesus answered, "If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, 'He is our God';
John 8:54 NASB
So, we know that the Father is God.



**** Those who submit to the Bible's authority come to understand it just fine. The problem is when one comes to the Bible to dictate to it what it may or may not say.


@5 (I)

Multiple human persons do not become one being. That is common sense. But it is also common sense that human beings and other creatures are most certainly not God.

@5 (ii)

that God is different from me, and from other creatures. I don't mind that. It doesn't bother, concern, or worry me. I'm happy being a lowly creature who is incapable of existing as God does.


@6)
So, the question is whether human nature is opposite to Divine nature. I think the answer is obviously no.
So, there is no contradiction between the Divine Nature and the Human. The human one is merely a far inferior one to the Divine one.


@7).
That is, the great God loved us enough to humble Himself and become a mere human like us so that He could suffer death -