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TruthinAction:
It seems there is no hope for you if you can't understand the simplicity of the gospel of Jesus. Romans 1:16 says that the gospel is the the power of God for salvation. When you receive the good news, you are saved and then and only then you can become part of God's kingdom. Please try and have a little sense. If you stick to your confused doctrine, you will end up in burning hell.

What is the gospel?
Are you preaching the gospel that Jesus Christ preached?
Study prayerfully Jesus words of John9:4, Matt24:14 , Mark 13:10. John9:4. John7:16 & Luke8:1. Acts8:12.
It's time you receive sense...

TruthinAction:
It seems there is no hope for you if you can't understand the simplicity of the gospel of Jesus. Romans 1:16 says that the gospel is the the power of God for salvation. When you receive the good news, you are saved and then and only then you can become part of God's kingdom. Please try and have a little sense. If you stick to your confused doctrine, you will end up in burning hell.

What is the gospel?
Are you preaching the gospel that Jesus Christ preached?
Study prayerfully Jesus words of Matt24:14 , Mark 13:10 & Luke8:1. Acts8:12.

TruthinAction:
Revelation 20:14-15.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the SECOND DEATH.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

We will examine a few scripture to see if second death means complete in existence as thought by Jehovah Witness or if the fire is literal.

Revelation 19: 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were CAST ALIVE INTO A LAKE OF FIRE burning with BRIMSTONE.

Satan himself was cast into the Lake of fire after 1,000 years and the Bible says the beast and the false prophets are still there.

Revelation 20:10. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, WHERE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

But JW teaches that second death means none existence. They claim the fire is not literal. But the Bible says they shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Why are you so daft ?
Recall that I have explained to you in another thread that English language is not the original language of the Bible, it is Greek.

What's the original meaning of the Greek word for torment and every other word coined from it? Pls go & find out...

*** My questions for you:
** Rev 20:13-15, is death a physical object or spiritual substance you can hold in your hands and cast into a fiery furnace?

***** Rev 19:20,have you ever seen that beast or any beast with a mark on it's body that is being spoken about?

In what realm does it exist?

If you throw any beast into fiery lake of fire, will it roast to ashes or will live in the fire perpetually?

*** Rev20:10, is the beast literal ,or spiritual? What of the false prophet ,literal or spiritual?
Devil is a spiritual being, what effect will fire have on a spiritual being?

God gave you brain, what are doing with yours ? It seems you prefer not to use it ..

[quote author=Solohmony post=80649811][/quote]It's improper for you to interpose your views into my post.
Your claim "Only one person
performing three roles relate this
analogy to trinity concept. God is one
being but perform three different roles" has no biblical support in John1:1-3, Psalms 110:1& Isaiah 9:6.

If your "God is one being performing three different roles" how come God commanded himself in Psalm 110:1?
: " Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a stool for your feet ", who was speaking to who?


John 1:1-3 (how come the Word was with 'ho theos (the God)?

Isaiah 9:6, who gave birth to God?
Since he left heaven to enter the earthly realm, he has vacated his heavenly throne?

Emusan:
Why then did you link the case of Judas Iscariot with that of the OP



You've started your lies again...and the most astonished part of it is that, you're so confident in your lie.

Is it wrongdoers who disfellowsip themselves or YOUR OWN ORGANIZATION that disfellowsip the wrongdoers?

** John6:70 , Jesus Christ called Judas Iscariot "a Satan/Devil", that amounts to Judas being disfellowshipped.
Note that as at the time of Jesus statement, Judas Iscariot had not betrayed Jesus.
No scriptural references of Judas Iscariot repentance....
Peter no commit serious sin ? Did he commit suicide?
Everybody no be the same, different people react to issues in different ways.
Suicide has absolutely nothing to do with whether someone left JW or not.
To each, his own.


*** For unrepentant wrongdoers it's either they are excommunicated (disfellowship) by JWs or they disfellowship themselves.

To serve Jehovah not by force.
If love for Jehovah is not in your heart, why deceive yourself?

TruthinAction:
They are false prophets and anti Christ. I pray for God to deliver some that have ignorantly joined them.

Person wey dey lie say God go resurrect Adam again and torture am, na Christian him be ?


Person wey say him dey witness for Jesus, but he no know who sent Jesus to do witness, na Christian him be ?

Person wey no know who Jesus Christ command him disciples to witness for, na Christian be that?
Matt24:14. John 7:16. Acts8:12.


Rotten in sifia pains.

TruthinAction:
They are false prophets and anti Christ. I pray for God to deliver some that have ignorantly joined them.

Person wey dey lie say God go resurrect Adam again and torture am, na Christian him be ?


Person wey say him dey witness for Jesus, but he no know who sent Jesus to do witness, na Christian him be ?

Person wey no know who Jesus Christ command him disciples to witness for, na Christian be that?
Matt24:14. John 7:16. Acts8:12.

tuniski:
So there are 3 gods, since you are distinct from the president but are humans?

Trinity FRAUD has removed sense from their brain.
No mind all these Worshippers of a man made fraud pretending to be Christians.

Solohmony:
It is not a surprise that people have not understand trinity because it is only God that can make you to understand His principles.
Trinity means God is one being but have three personalities/roles. All billions of people in the world have only one being- human but each of us have different personalities. You can be a father to your children, husband to your wife and brother to your younger brother. Only one person performing three roles relate this analogy to trinity concept. God is one being but perform three different roles.
God as Father create heaven and earth
God as Son provide salvation to humanity.
God the Spirit guide and comfort us.
Just the same God revealed himself in three dimensions. Jesus said Father is greater than him not in term of being but role as Son.
Jesus Christ did not say God is greater than Him but notice the word "Father". It is only Jesus Christ that always refer God to Father, He is only taking about role not being.

Read Isaiah 9:6

Solo,my questions for you:

**1). in Rev 3:5,21 where was Jesus Christ when he said "my Father", "my God"?

2) In Rev 3:5,21 who did Jesus Christ call "my Father", "my God"?
Simple questions.

solite3:
Jehovah witness organisation was built on a satanic foundation.

Jesus was resurrected from the grave as a human.
He remains a man till date, as a man he is less than the father.
But the beginning of your confusion in this regard is that you deny That Jesus truly resurrected from the grave.

Shuuooo !!!!!
Solite3, you are a FRAUD. What a halfhearted attempt to cover up your Trinity scam !
No be insult, na the true
I have absolutely no apologies, for being very blunt and candid.
What you posted above is NOT the six (6) questions I asked you to respond to.

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solite3:
archaic english is better than heresy laced up in eloquence.
I rather have the true word of God in archaic english than demonic inspiration in modern English.

What else should we expect from a Solite3 liar ? A man who lied that the person you call "my Father" is not your superior, is he being truthful?

Dafemich:
Don't read this version of the Bible, that another Jehovah witness Bible. If you are not king James version, then, it will be difficult for you to grow. When I first started as a Christian, I use to read new living translation, mean, I use to have problem. I was struggling with with, until I started reading King James version.

The issue is not the NLT....

You dey LIE to claim you can't read and understand a modern English Bible, na who you wan deceive?

$$ * Why you no type your post with archaic KJV English?


Archaic KJV "thine, shalt, thy , behovest, looketh" is a poor substitute for the easy to read & comprehend NWT.
If you value the truth, NWT is the way to go.

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TruthinAction:
The very name of your organization betrays God's word. You are supposed to be Jesus witness and not Jehovah's witness. You can only witness for what you have seen. No one has seen Jehovah but Jesus was seen and he is the express image of Jehovah.

Jesus told his disciples in Acts 1:8 that they will be his witness after they receive the Holy Spirit baptism.

Read the book of Acts, every evangelical message is centered on Christ. But you feel you have direct access to God without Jesus.

Jesus is the mediator between God and man and there is no way you claim you know the father when you do not acknowledge Jesus.

Please run away from this evil group and save your life. You just twist the Scripture to suit your opinions.

Half truths and LIEs in action.

**1). Jesus acknowledges his Father's name (YHWH) which he made known.
John17:6,26..

**2) Have you ever seen Jesus whom you claim to witness for?

**3). Mark1:14,15, Luke 8:1, Whom did Jesus Christ witness for?


$4) Whom did Jesus command you to witness for?
Matt 24:14,
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be
preached in all the world for a witness unto
all nations; and then shall the end come"

**John 9:3,4
3 Jesus answered, “... ..
4 While it is daytime, we must do the works of Him who sent Me. Night is coming, when no one can work."

***Acts 8:12
"But when they believed Philip as he
proclaimed the good news of the kingdom of
God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were
baptized, both men and women."

**5) JWs believe in Jesus Christ even more than you....
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/believe-in-jesus/

rottennaija:
Does it change the fact that your religion has all the attribute of a cult?

Jesus led his followers and they obeyed him sheepishly.
You are either in or out.
Jesus and his followers had all the attributes of a cult nau.... You done forget ?

solite3:
Jesus didnt say the father is greater than him in Rev 3:5,21.


of course as a servant he has to obey.

He was not commanded to take the form of a servant rather he did it on its own.

Philippians 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:





the right question would have been, if Jesus was a servant why will he need to take the form of a servant.
All angels are servants.


Psalms 104:4
Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

But Jesus is not a servant hence not an angel.

A question you should ask yourself again is
who exactly is Jesus?

He had to make himself a servant and a man before he could be less than God.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

By virtue of being a man he became less than the angels and hence less than God.

Do you, Solite3, believe the words Jesus spoke in heaven that he has his God and Father in heaven?

**Solite3 deceiving himself.
Rev 3:5,21 Why did Jesus in heaven call Yahweh "my Father","my God" ?
You have claimed that on earth,as a man Jesus is inferior to God.
Solite3, where was Jesus Christ when he spoke the words of Rev 3:5,21?

Is anyone you call "my Father", "my God", is that person Superior to you?
Would Solite3 call his age mate, "my Father"?

$$$$ John6:38
" 38 For I have come down
from heaven, not to do My own will, but to
do the will of Him who sent Me."

$$$ * Solite3, John 6:38 was Jesus sent?
whose will did Jesus obey by coming to the earth "in the form of a servant"?

***#### Phil2:7, Jesus NEVER lived on earth before he was sent from heaven by Yahweh, therefore he was not a servant of God on earth prior to his birth.

If you dodge any of my questions again, that's further proof you're not truthful and honest.

CodeTemplar:
Cultist are after hidden things always because of their negative nature.

CodeTemplar doesn't seem to grasp the point that the OP is driving at....
Pls, do well to ask the OP if his parents are "cultists" , since they are members of the Christian group he has dubiously labeled as "cultists"

Emusan:
Did Jesus disfellowsip Judas Iscariot?

**John 6:70
Jesus answered them, "Have I not chosen
you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!"

**John 17:12
While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your name,
the name You gave Me. Not one of them has
been lost, except the son of destruction, so
that the Scripture would be fulfilled.


*** # In John 6:70 & 17:12

Emusan, what's the message of Jesus statement when he said : " one of you (Judas Iscariot) is a devil!" ?

** Why did Jesus say Judas Iscariot "has been lost" , "son of destruction"?

Jesus and Devil dey feed from the same plate?

solite3:
Jesus took the lesser position of a servant in other to work the work of salvation.


Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

@ bolded
Since Jesus has to take the form of a servant, it means he is not a servant.

Those who say Jesus is less than God cant explain this verse

Jesus made himself less than God because he really is not less than God.

You cant make something into what it already is.

**1) Rev 3:5,21 did Jesus in heaven say he is less than his God and Father?
Who is the God of Jesus in heaven?


***2). John 12:49
I have not spoken on My own, but the Father
who sent Me has commanded Me what to
say and how to say it.

*** Solite3, John12:49, who gave Jesus the command to take the form of a servant ?
Where was the command given to Jesus?


***3) Phil2:7,11, for whose glory did Jesus take the form of a servant?

Solite3 for how long will you continue to deceive yourself ?

TruthinAction:
No one is given the ministry to discern where a specific person will end up in. We preach the gospel in generic terms. Those who believe in Jesus and walk in the light of God’s word will be saved and those who don't believe will be damned.

Concerning those who lived before Jesus came, it is God alone that searches the heart that can pass judgment. You don't have the moral right to pass judgment on anyone. You have to be concerned about your salvation and helping others to find salvation.

Sorry for yourself, Bro ....
Jehovah passed judgment on Adam as well as the wicked world of Noah's day , King Herod,Sennacherib, Goliath and Pharoah and also Sodom and Gomorrah.
Those ones can NEVER taste life, their case judged and closed kpatakpata !
You don't seem to know the Jesus you claim to follow....
How can a man claim to know the signpost of his future, when he's blissfully ignorant of his past...

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OLAADEGBU:
"The Father is greater than I" Does this disprove the Trinity?

Jesus once said that the Father was greater than He was. How could Jesus be fully God, but yet "lesser" than the Father?

What Jesus means here is that in His humanity and incarnate state, He is subordinate to the Father in terms of His role and rank. See the link below for details.

http://reasonsforjesus.com/the-father-is-greater-than-i-does-this-disprove-trinity/

malvisguy212:
in nature, is the president greater than me ? NO. But as the president of Nigeria he is greater than me.

Jesus Christ in heaven gave John the revelation (Rev1:1)

Rev 1:5,6
"5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful
witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the
ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who
loves us and has released us from our sins
by His blood, 6 who has made us to be a
kingdom, priests to His God and Father— to
Him be the glory and power forever and
ever! Amen. "

** Rev1:5,6 Jesus is in heaven saying that he made us priests to his God and Father, is Jesus Christ lying ?


**Revelation 3:5,12
"5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will
confess his name before my Father, and
before his angels. "

" 12 Him that overcometh will I make a
pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall
go no more out: and I will write upon him
the name of my God, and the name of the
city of my God, which is new Jerusalem,
which cometh down out of heaven from my
God:"


***Rev3:5,12 , Jesus is still in heaven and says "I will confess his (disciples) name before my Father","my God".
Once more, I ask: is Jesus Christ lying?

The spiritual realm is stronger than the earthly realm.
If Almighty Yahweh is Jesus Father on earth, in the heavenly/ spiritual realm, Yahweh's Superiority over Jesus persists throughout
eternity...

That's the Revelation that Yahweh gave Jesus to show his servants... Rev1:1. Matt16:13-17.

OLAADEGBU and malvisguy, receive sense.

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RandomGuy48:
https://biblicalworldviewacademy.org/major-problems-with-the-new-world-translation/
https://www.gotquestions.org/New-World-Translation.html

The links you shared is a load of crap.
Many false claims and half truths.

1) Bible > Strong's > Greek > 2316
◄ 2316. theos
►
Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun,
Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Definition: God, a god"

# The Greeks says 'theos ' meaning 'God' or 'a god'.
Therefore, John1:1,"the Word is a god " because "the Word is with ho theos (the God)", the Word is NOT 'ho theos'(the God).
The Word (Logos) is divine, has divine nature.
Man possesses divine nature (Psalm82:1,6. John10:34-36).

##*2) Your links claimed "Jehovah is not a biblical word".
I ask, is Jesus a biblical word?
Does letter. 'J' exist in Hebrew?
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/appendix-a/tetragrammaton-divine-name/


**3) Your link said "NWT did not translate Sheol ,Hades and Gehenna as hell" . (Yes !)
"Because JWs do not believe in hell", That's a lie. JWs believe that hell is grave (Not hellfire), just as Sheol & Hades mean grave.
Gehenna (Hebrew Gehinnom) is not a place of torture. No living being , ONLY dead criminals were thrown there.

**4) JWs have NEVER said NWT "came directly from the Dead Sea Scrolls" ,as falsely claimed by one of your links.
To set the records straight , pls read the link below:
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/appendix-a/how-the-bible-came-to-us/

Hebrew Text: The New World Translation of
the Hebrew Scriptures (1953-1960) was
based on Biblia Hebraica, by Rudolf Kittel.
Since that time, updated editions of the
Hebrew text, namely, Biblia Hebraica
Stuttgartensia and Biblia Hebraica Quinta,
have included recent research based on the
Dead Sea Scrolls and other ancient
manuscripts. These scholarly works
reproduce the Leningrad Codex in the main
text along with footnotes that contain
comparative wording from other sources,
including the Samaritan Pentateuch, the
Dead Sea Scrolls, the Greek Septuagint, the
Aramaic Targums, the Latin Vulgate, and the
Syriac Peshitta. Both Biblia Hebraica
Stuttgartensia and Biblia Hebraica Quinta
were consulted when preparing the present
revision of the New World Translation.
Greek Text: In the late 19th century,
scholars B. F. Westcott and F.J.A. Hort
compared existing Bible manuscripts and
fragments as they prepared the Greek master
text that they felt most closely reflected the
original writings. In the mid-20th century,
the New World Bible Translation Committee
used that master text as the basis for its
translation. Other early papyri, thought to
date back to the second and third centuries
C.E., were also used. Since then, more
papyri have become available. In addition,
master texts such as those by Nestle and
Aland and by the United Bible Societies
reflect recent scholarly studies. Some of the
findings of this research were incorporated
into this present revision.
Based on those master texts, it is evident
that some verses of the Christian Greek
Scriptures found in older translations, such
as the King James Version, were actually
additions made by later copyists and were
never part of the inspired Scriptures.
However, because the verse division
generally accepted in Bible translations was
already established in the 16th century, the
omission of these verses now creates gaps
in the verse numbering in most Bibles. The
verses are Matthew 17:21; 18:11; 23:14;
Mark 7:16; 9:44, 46; 11:26; 15:28; Luke
17:36; 23:17; John 5:4; Acts 8:37; 15:34;
24:7; 28:29 ; and Romans 16:24 . In this
revised edition, those omitted verses are
indicated by a footnote at the location of the
omission."

Shalom.

MrPresident1:
Ewoooo, you people have started re-writing and mis-translating the KJV? Jesus!

Very soon, the read WORD will be lost, people will be carrying zombie manuals about.

God will not allow it to happen.

Ignorance is bliss indeed !

RandomGuy48:
Stands tall? I suppose it stands tall in supporting Jehovah's Witness doctrines but only because it's notorious for twisting its translation to fits JW ideas
.

Baseless claims as usual. Any proof?

alBHAGDADI:
That satanic Bible written by Jehovah's False Witnesses to allign with their false doctrine.

I spit on it.

how can a true Christian spit on a copy of the holy Bible?
Your Christianity begins & ends on your lips .
Period!!!
alB Pharisee of mumu doctrines and man made junk of falsehood.
Shame on you..

vybzkartel:
Stop confusing your soul, your conscience has been seered by your father the devil. Keep doubting, you will surely die in your sins

Shuoooo !
vybzkartel in sifia pains..... the truth always bitter.
You no be God, las las....
You have no authority over any son of Jehovah , Matt 15:13.
You're just making noise and insults because you have no answers to the scriptural proofs presented here in my previous posts.

TruthinAction:
You don't expect to have information about the eternal destiny of everyone in the Bible. Besides, he already judged them by driving them away from the Garden of Eden. But where they will end up eventually is God that will determine it. He does not have to preempt his decisions on every single person that lived on earth.

God NEVER lies.. Numbers 23:19

##** Genesis 3:18,19
The Punishment of Mankind
…18 Both thorns and thistles it will yield for
you, and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat
your bread, until you return to the ground—
because out of it were you taken. For dust
you are, and to dust you shall return.”


***Romans 6:23 New International Version
(NIV)
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift
of God is eternal life in[ a ] Christ Jesus our
Lord.
Footnotes:
a. Romans 6:23 Or through.
Reference: 1Cor15:22.

####* FOOD For SERIOUS thought.

1)Adam would have been the first candidate for hellfire, but in the Bible, Yahweh NEVER sentenced Adam to hellfire.
Why ?

##2) Did Yahweh sentence Sodom and Gomorrah to hellfire? Jude1:7.
Why

##**3) Did Yahweh sentence the wicked world of Noah's day to hellfire?
Why?

**4) Jesus raised Lazarus John11:43,44.
Is there any scripture where Lazarus spoke about his wonderful enjoyment in Abraham's bosom?
Why?

Because Hellfire is a scam... 2Thes1:7-9

bingbagbo:
Colossians 2:9
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily

https://www.quora.com/At-Acts-17-29-Romans-1-20-and-Colossians-2-9-the-term-Godhead-is-used-in-a-few-Bibles-Is-this-the-correct-term-to-use-Did-the-Apostles-believe-in-the-Trinity

*** Colossians 2:9
*** Christian Standard Bible
For the entire fullness of God's nature dwells
bodily in Christ,


#**Good News Translation
For the full content of divine nature lives in
Christ, in his humanity,

**@ *Holman Christian Standard Bible
For the entire fullness of God's nature dwells
bodily in Christ,
Greek theotes,the divine nature (or quality) dwells in Christ.
Because it pleases his God & Father who approved it. (Colossians 1:19).
Every pikin get him Father nature (or quality), no pikin be him Father.
Una dey lie say Jesus na him Father.
Make una no dey twist the holy word of God.

*- The word "Godhead" is a satanic ,dubious contraption.

xproducer:
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It must make you feel good to engage in insults and personal attacks? Why not simply share you position and move on? no interest in wasting time debating you, as we will likely not be standing before the judgement throne of the Lord Jesus Christ together (only GOD knows), so, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, and believe what you will. You answer to JESUS CHRIST the Lord, not me!

saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?”

They said to Him, “The Son of David.”

He said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying:

'The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” ’? -Matthew 22:42-44

**1) How many Lords are in Matt22:42-44?

##2) Who is David's "my Lord" in Matt22:42-44?

@**3) Who gave the command "sit at my right hand...." ? to whom was the command given?

**$4) Exodus 3:14,15, is that the God of Abraham?
Yes or no, please respond.

***5) Acts 3:13 is Jesus the servant of the God of Abraham?

*$ 6) Rev3:5,21 Who does Jesus says he worships in heaven?

%*7) Where was Jesus Christ when he made the statement in Rev 3:5,21?
Peace be unto you.