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Ihedinobi3:
Regarding your first two questions, what would you say that Lamb in Revelation 4 is? I'm curious to know.

Regarding your last, this is 1 Corinthians 15:45-50:

[45]So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
[46]However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
[47]The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.
[48]As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly.
[49]Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly. The Mystery of Resurrection
[50]Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
1 Corinthians 15:45-50 NASB

Now then, what makes me a liar?

The resurrected Jesus is a life giving spirit..... since his sacrificial death.
The last Adam is NOT a human being.

Revelation chapter 4 is a testimony of Praise and Glory to Jehovah, especially verses 8-11.

** Jesus Christ says it is his God & his Father's throne , Revelation 3:12,21.

Jehovah The God and Father owns the heavenly throne he permitted Jesus Christ to sit there..
Matt28:18 "All authority in heaven and earth has been GIVEN to me,"
Jehovah gave it to Jesus...
Stop deceiving yourself.

OLAADEGBU:
Also see:
https://www.nairaland.com/2342759/testimony-former-jesuit-priest https://www.nairaland.com/4952289/force-dr-alberto-rivera-ex-jesuit

Ubenedictus ( m ): 4:43pm On Jun 03 , 2015 OLAADEGBU, The article i gave you wasn't from the vatican but from a neutral source.
so rivera the fraud man is now you idea of a righteous Jesus. ( Quote ) ( Report ) ( Like ) ( Share )
Shame on you kumuyi worshipper. The thread where your LIES were exposed you have brought here for "denge pose"

Ihedinobi3:
Very well then. I'll just post the passages in Revelation, since it appears that you couldn't read them yourself:

[1]I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a book written inside and on the back, sealed up with seven seals. [2]And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, "Who is worthy to open the book and to break its seals?" [3]And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the book or to look into it. [4]Then I began to weep greatly because no one was found worthy to open the book or to look into it; [5]and one of the elders said to me, "Stop weeping; behold, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to open the book and its seven seals." [6]And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth. [7]And He came and took the book out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne. [8]When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
Revelation 5:1-8 NASB

First, this is Heaven that John has been taken to in the power of the Spirit, so he is witnessing things in Heaven.

Second, the Lamb is Jesus Christ. But the Lamb is the Sacrificial symbol of Law, that is why John the Baptist calls the Lord Jesus in His Humanity "the Lamb of God" (John 1:29, 36). Here we see the Lamb as "freshly slain," but clearly alive, so this bespeaks both the Sacrifice of our Lord in His Humanity and His Resurrection as a Human Being too. So, the Lamb here is speaking of the Presence of Jesus Christ in Heaven as the Resurrected Human Savior.

Third, the Lamb is called the Root of David in the above passage. This harks back to the challenge that the Lord gave to the Scribes, Pharisees, and Sadducees in Matthew 22:41-46; Mark 12:35-37; and Luke 20:41-44. How could the Lord be the Son of David if He was also David's Lord? In Revelation 4:5, He is called the Root of David, just as He calls Himself in Revelation 22:16. The answer is because He created David. He is the Root of David because He is Deity.

I'll add to the above that after the Lord's bodily Resurrection from Death, there is no place in Scripture that teaches that He ceased to be Human. Not one.

But we can also look at the other passages I gave you:

[5]And He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." And He said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true." [6]Then He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. [7]He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.
Revelation 21:5-7 NASB

The Speaker above is the Father.

[12]"Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. [13]I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." [14]Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. [15]Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. [16]"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
Revelation 22:12-16 NASB

The Speaker above is self-evidently the Lord Jesus (see v.16).

In both passages above, the Father and the Lord Jesus call Themselves The Alpha and The Omega, and The Beginning and The End.

That makes sense if they are both God. And in fact they are. But more importantly, this shows that even after Resurrection, the Lord Jesus is still God in Heaven. He didn't cease being God because He became Human too.

Now, you asked from whom or where the Lord received these qualifiers. I don't see the point of the question. The Bible does not teach in any point that He received them from anywhere, any more than it teaches that the Father received them from anywhere either. These things are simply what They are because They are God. The titles "Alpha and Omega" and "Beginning and End" only speak to the timelessness of God and His Position as the Cause and Purpose or Goal of all things. That is, God comprehends all of existence: He began it, and He is the end or goal of it.

Now, I don't think there is any human being with a functioning brain who is incapable of making a choice to accept or reject the above, or who cannot say that the above is off-key and inconclusive and that I have no proof that the Lord is still Human in Heaven. That is easy enough to say, but whether it is true or not is up to each person's conscience to decide. For my part, I stand with whatever the Bible says. And I see it say that the Lord made a huge Sacrifice in "putting aside" His Deity momentarily to assume fragile Humanity so that He could pay for my sins and the sins of the whole world, and not only that but by doing so He has married Humanity to God, making all who believe one with Him in a way that is beyond all generosity, for the Eternal God Himself became Man too forever. That is how great His Love for wicked sinners like us is. I cannot find fault with that. I can only with the angels bow down too and worship.

@1)
"The Lamb " in Revelation na human being?

@2)
how did "the Lamb" get to heaven with out dying ?

@3)
"I'll add to the above that after the Lord's bodily Resurrection from Death, there is no place in Scripture that teaches that He ceased to be Human. Not one."
1 Cor15:45-50
LIAR.....

Ihedinobi3:
@3)

Regarding your third question, there is no other God except One. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one God, although Each is a Separate Person.

@4)
The Lord Jesus addresses the Father as His God, just as the Father addresses Him as Most High God too.


@5)
That does not make two Gods, according to the Bible. It just makes two Separate Persons Who are One in Essence.

Per your last question, I don't think that the term is confusing. It means exactly what it says.

To your last sentence, my response is this:
"ONLY ONE" God is STRICTLY singular, ALONE, not a subset of three separate persons or entities.
Trinitarians formed that man made concept and twisted the holy Scriptures to achieve their dubious ends.

@4) Give us the holy Scripture where YHWH called Jesus Christ the "Most High God"

*** essence
/ˈɛs(ə)ns/
noun
1. the intrinsic nature or indispensable
quality of something, especially
something abstract, which determines
its character.

ESSENCE | meaning in the Cambridge
English Dictionary
https://dictionary.cambridge.org › essence

@3 & @5)
In other words, The Cambridge dictionary says
Two Separate Persons Who are One in Essence (quality/character/nature)"
CAN NOT BE ONE GOD, one entity, one being.

"Yahweh our God is one Yahweh" Deu 6:4.
"The only true God" is NOT Jesus Christ. John17:3. 20:17.

Ihedinobi3:
@1) Per your first question, all of the Bible is proof of it, but you could read just the book of Revelation to get it in no time. The Lamb that looks like it has only just been killed is a symbol of the Lord Jesus's Sacrificial and Resurrected Humanity.

@1B)
His command of the
Angels (Revelation 22:13) and use of the
same qualifiers for Himself as the Father
(Revelation 22:13, e.g, compare Revelation
21:6) uses for Himself are proof of His Deity.

@1)
"In His Humanity the Lord Jesus... is still
Human in Heaven in addition to being
God."
In other words,my question is BRING PROOF that :
(I)'Jesus is still human in heaven"

(1B) in addition to being God."

**Oga Ihedinobi, your answer to @1) is off key and INCONCLUSIVE... You have NO PROOF that Jesus Christ is human in heaven.

**Your answer to @1B) Jesus "use of the
same qualifiers for Himself as the Father"; OK.
From whom or where did Jesus receive or acquire those qualifiers of his Deity ?

BetterChurch:
@1) In the Christian theology, The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are equal in divinity. The Son was 'begotten by the Father' not made nor created;

@2)
while the Holy Spirit 'proceed' from the Father and the Son.

Lols.... Laughter is the best medicine..

TruthinAction:
@1)
. Jesus. He is the manifestation of God in the flesh. It is a mystery beyond human comprehension.

@2)

Like begat likes. He is in the same class as God. That you have a manager you report to doesn't make you a lesser human.



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@1) FALSE.
Explain John5:37. John6:46. 20:17
Did Jesus create his God & Father?

@2
Is the Messenger the same as the Owner of his message? John 7:16.

Sophistry built on FRAUD.....
Is the Manager that same person working under him?
That is your claim @1, why shift the goalpost @2)?

bingbagbo:
You will die in your sins, if you don't believe I am he.

Gbagbo in sifia pains......
Shameless Pharisees Gbagbo lying Antichrist., "CONFESS NOW,Jesus is the Son of God."

You can't DISPROVE 1 John5:1. 1John 4:15.

John17:3,

bingbagbo:
Because the KJV translation endorses and affirms the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ

Jw is anti-Jesus Christ

Collosians 3:17 charges all believers to do all things in the name of Jesus, yet they say NO, they will do all things in the name of Jehovah.
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OLA and GBAGBO twin Pharisees, specialist in FALSEHOOD and twister of the Bible.
@Col 3:17, to the glory of whom?

** I challenge GBAGBO LIAR to show proof that "in the name of Jehovah" is found in Colossians 3:17.


Lying Gbagbo Pharisees Antichrist, go & copy the example of Jesus Christ and his apostles.....

@Matt 11:25
" At that time Jesus declared, “I
praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth,"
,.

@ Colossians 3:17
"And whatever you do,
in word or deed, do it all in the name of the
Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father
through Him. "

@1 Corinthians 10:31
So whether you eat or drink or whatever you
do, do it all to the glory of God.

@ Ephesians 5:20
"Always giving thanks to God the Father for
everything in the name of our Lord Jesus
Christ."

JWs DON'T hate the KJV, however it's idiotic and hypocrisy to pretend there are no errors & FORGERIES ( for instance ,1John5:7) in the KJV which promote false, man made doctrine alien to the holy Scriptures.

bingbagbo:
Jesus Christ is the physical manifestation of YHWH

bingbagbo:
1 John 2:23


No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

**1 John2:23, Apostle John PROVED that Gbagbo lying Pharisee is a LIAR, FRAUD and Antichrist.


Apostle John calls Jesus in heaven "the Son" who "has the Father".
This is a vivid demarcation between YHWH the Father and Jesus the Son.

*1).
@John 17:3
"Now this is eternal life, that they may know
You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ,
whom You have sent."
Jesus says his Father, YHWH is " the only true God."

**2).
@ 1 John 4:15
"If anyone confesses that Jesus is the Son of
God, God abides in him, and he in God."
Confess NOW that Jesus is the Son of God, that's true Christianity.
Lying Gbagbo Pharisee Antichrist !!!!

*****3)
@ 1 John 5:1
"Everyone who believes that Jesus is the
Christ is born of God, and everyone who
loves the Father also loves the one born of
Him."
"Jesus is born of God" , meaning created by God. Psalms 90:2 CONFIRMED !!!!


Lying Gbagbo Pharisees AntiChrist shame on you and your Trinity junk.

Ihedinobi3:
What do you mean by "status quo?"

@1) As for the Lord's address of the Father as "my Father" and "my God," I already said in the post that you quoted that in His Humanity the Lord Jesus submits to the Father as greater than Himself. He is still Human in Heaven in addition to being God. So He retains both equality and subservience to the Father. As Deity, He is equal to the Father. As resurrected Human, He is the Father's Son and Regent.

As for the comparative strength of realms, I'm not even sure what to make of that question.

@2) As for one Deity calling another "my God," that is all your imagination. There is only one God, not two. The Lord Jesus, the Father, and the Spirit are all one God.

@1)
"In His Humanity the Lord Jesus submits to the Father . He is still Human in Heaven in addition to being God."
Where is the Scriptural proof ?

@2)
Does flesh and blood dwell in heaven?
Pls, present the proof from your Bible.

@3)
You said Jesus is "Deity". If "there is only one God",which "Deity" is he calling "my God "?

@4)
The term "ONLY ONE", means what?

Pastorpreneur confirmed.

bingbagbo:
You will die in your sins if you dont believe I AM HE

I REBUKE your rants IJNA .

** Gbagbo Pharisee LIAR twisting the holy Scriptures.

Revelation3:2,5
2 Wake up, ...for I have not found your
works complete in the sight of my God.


** 5 The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out the book of life. I will confess his name
before my Father and before his angels"

Jesus Christ in heaven says your iniquity is NOT ACCEPTABLE "in the sight my God"

Ihedinobi3:
The Father is only greater than the Son in the Son's Humanity. As a Human Being, the Son is the Servant sent by His Father to suffer for the sins of the world and thus redeem the world back to the Father. But in His Deity, the Son is just as much God as the Father is. Just as the Son then is equal to the Father in Deity, so is the Spirit equal to both in His Deity.

Where is the equality when Jesus is in heaven and maintain the status quo "my Father ", "my God "? Rev3:2,5. John 20:17.

Is the physical realm stronger than the spiritual realm ?
Why would one Deity be calling another Deity, (his equal,) "my God "?

bingbagbo:
You worship Jehovah who is a throne , I worship Jesus Christ who is the creator

*spits*

Spit on your stupidity.....
In heaven your "creator Jesus" is the son of Jehovah, his God and my God. Rev3:2,5. John 20:17
Jehovah my God and Jesus Father owns the throne (Rev3:21

Preciousgirl:
On the contrary u are the fool worshipping a nonexistent jehovah

Psalm 83:18 American Standard Version (ASV)
" That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah,
Art the Most High over all the earth"

Smally,your foolishness is precious to you.
Worshipper of triune ,3 face man made godhead.
The Holy scriptures super glue your blasphemous mouth.
Shame on you.

solite3:
I always find it more fruitful to read with Jehovah’s Witness Romans 10.13 , ‘Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ The Greek here uses the word kurios ; in the Greek Old Testament that Paul is citing here, this refers to Yahweh, the god of Israel. But Paul here clearly means ‘The Lord Jesus.’ The NWT appears to be embarrassed by this, and substitutes the word ‘Jehovah’.



’.

** Solite3 LIAR twisting the truth with well packaged sophistry.
Romans 10:13 is a copy or quote of Joel 2:32....

Joel2:32
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then everyone who calls on the name of
Yahweh will be saved, "

American Standard Version
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever
shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be
delivered;

@ Young's Literal Translation
And it hath come to pass, Every one who
calleth in the name of Jehovah is delivered",

As you can clearly see, Jehovah or YHWH was replaced with LORD (capital letter).
( Anywhere you see Lord capitalized,
Go read the Preface in your copy of the Bible. God's name Jehovah or YHWH was removed there.)
Paul referred to Jehovah quoting Joel 2:32, not to Jesus.
NWT is correct.
.

solite3:
Does John 1.1 mean ‘The Word was a god’?
February 13, 2011 by Ian Paul


@1)
This is a question I quite often get asked in relation to conversations with Jehovah’s Witnesses and the New World Translation (NWT). The NWT translates the end of John 1.1 as ‘the Word as a god’ in order to avoid the identification of Jesus with the God of the Old Testament, and avoid seeing Jesus as God incarnate,


*@2)

The Greek of John 1.1 is as follows, transliterated into English letters:
En arche en ho logos, kai ho logos pros ton theon, kai theos en ho logos.

You can see near the end of John 1.1 that we have theos without an article, and logos throughout with the article.


@3)

In other words, theos en ho logos means ‘the word was God’, which tells us something about the nature of the word,



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Solite3 shot himself on his foot.
You simply copy and paste what you don't even understand.....

@3) Solite3 have proved that his claims @1) is FALSE...
In effect, John1:1c
" theos en ho logos means ‘the word was God’, which tells us something about the nature of the word,"
In other words, the Word is a god (meaning "godlike or divine nature".

Las, las, the word is of the nature of God, but is NOT God in person because
"the Word was with ton theon (the God)"
That is what John 1:1c is saying & that is what JWs believe ....
.

John 1:1 Emphatic Diaglott

"In a beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with the God, and a god
was the Word."

Preciousgirl:
RReally
Freemason
No wonder

solite3:
it is an open secret. If you should research about their history you would be shocked.

What a pathetic solite3 LIAR !
It's a well documented FACT that Mr C.T.Russell is NOT a Freemason.

Toyboy07:
This is a book of true stories.
They are taken from the world's greatest book the Bible.
The stories give you a history of the world from when God began to create until right up to our present day.

You can buy it by clicking this link https://okadabooks.com/user/toyboy07

Toyboy, who authorized you or where did you acquire the Marketing Rights to sell " My Book of Bible Stories"?
Pls desist from that practice or face the consequences .
You have been forewarned.

Toyboy07:
This is a book of true stories.
They are taken from the world's greatest book the Bible.
The stories give you a history of the world from when God began to create until right up to our present day.

You can buy it by clicking this link https://okadabooks.com/user/toyboy07

Toyboy, who authorized you or where did you acquire the Marketing Rights to sell " My Book of Bible Stories"?
Pls desist from that practice or face the consequences .

shadeyinka:
Rev 6:9-11:
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God , and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season , until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."


Dead/Slain yet alive!
Dead/Slain yet could speak!
Dead/Slain yet could be dressed in white robes!
Dead/Slain yet could be TOLD to exercise patience!
SMH

If breath of life was had been subtracted from the body , according to your argument they are dead and unconscious.

Look at the bolded : I bet you can't see that the breath of life seem to carry the identity of the slain person. That the breath of life seems not to be unconscious. That the breath of life is ALIVE!

Don't lie to yourself, look at the Scripture again.

Lol.....
According to shadeyinka theory "Breathe of life is alive".

"Alive" where ?
Genesis 2:7, Did God say he put another being into Adam?


You're missing the point of Rev6:9-11.

** When Christ poured out his soul ,where did his soul go ?
'Why are you also implying that Jesus lied in Matt10:28?

Lev 17:14 NASB
"For as for the life of all flesh, its blood is
identified with its life. Therefore I said to the
sons of Israel, 'You are not to eat the blood
of any flesh, for the life of all flesh is its
blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off."
Life and blood are equivalent terms in the Bible,
The soul is life , those slain souls were sacrificed ,or lost their life/soul.
The soul crying for vengeance stands for their life blood crying out for vengeance.
Genesis 4:10 ,blood cries out vengeance.




***why you dey dodge those 6 questions I have asked you about your Trinity claims?

jubianose:
True Christianity vol 2.
Listen to Emmanuel Swedenborg's wisdom

Is Swedenborg the wisdom of God?

Pls come and explain John5:37 , John 6:46.
1John4:12. "No man has ever seen God at any time ".

Did Jesus Christ agree with your screenshot?

Does the holy Scriptures, even Yahweh himself (Judges6:11-22. Exodus 33:20) agree with your screenshot?

You shot yourself in the foot in the boldened. Think!

Him brain na sawdust.... no sense . He sold his sense to Trinity.

Anas09:
When you are done analyzing the Lord's prayer from start to finish, I'd be here to analyze it too and bring out its spiritual content.

Food done come....
You're welcome to anas09lize the "spiritual content" of Lord's prayer....

My questions for you......
Is your Jesus "our Father who art in heaven"?

Matt 6:9, who is praying to whom?

Shepherd00:
No, it's because it will be waste of my time. enjoy

Answer the simple question you're being asked.
Else, you're running away simply because "Peaceful artquake" go knack your mumu poo to pieces....... lols.

vybzkartel:
Hahahaha, this guy is such an ignoramus


John 14:8-9(DLNT)


8 Philip says to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us”. 9 Jesus says to him, “Am I with you all for so long a time, and you have not known Me, Philip?— the one having seen Me has seen the Father. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’?



Jesus is the Father (greatest mystery)

Vybz Pathetic LIAR "our Father who art in heaven" is NOT Jesus Christ. Matt6:9.

John 7:16, Vybz Father send am message go another country. Vybz obey am
.
John 5:37 Your Father say "tell people say them no go see your Father face and hear him voice at all."

John 5:43, I be messenger for our Father.
John 14:8-10, them ask you show us your Father ? You tell them "as you see me wey my Father send,you done see my Father "

Matt 3:17,Vybz Father say vybz na my son, make una dey listen to am.


this Pathetic LIAR Vybz dey twist John 14:8-10 dey tell una say he be him Papa.

Trinity turned your brain to sawdust.

klintoski:
....the same gang is responsible for the murder of Rev. Fr. Paul Offu and the kidnap of a traditional ruler in Awgu LGA. 
...suspects responsible for the murder of Rev. Fr. Clement Rapuluchukwu at Ezeagu arrested.

Enugu State Command of the Nigerian Police on Friday, 16th, August paraded the hoodlums suspected to be responsible for the murder of Rev. Fr. Paul Offu, the parish priest of St James Catholic Church, Ugboka, in Nkanu East LGA on the 1st of August and the Kidnap of the traditional ruler of Obum-Agbogwugwu, His Royal Highness, Igwe Sunday Orji and his wife, along Agbogwugwu-Ihe junction on the 4th of August, 2019.

The suspects, Ibrahim Adamu, 25 years from Taraba State and Idris Tobe 28 years (and three others still at large) were arrested by the command after the release of the traditional ruler and his wife.

Speaking to Journalist101, one of the suspects, Ibrahim Adamu said, he came to Enugu to learn the skill of cow rearing and from there, he joined the criminal gang. He confessed to be part of the gang responsible for the kidnap of the traditional ruler and his wife. He also confessed that one of his gang members arrested with him, Idris supplies them with food items.

Similarly, the police paraded the gang responsible for the murder of Rev. Fr. Clement Rapuluchukwu, the parish priest of St. Mary's Catholic Church, Obunofia Ndiuno in Ezeagu LGA on the 14th of March, 2019.

The suspects confessed to killing the cleric after pursuing him into a building he ran into for cover.

Before killing the Priest, they  took him to the ATM, withdrew cash from his account and bought malt for him to drink before giving up the ghost as a result of the gunshots on his leg.

The Suspected Killers of Fr. Clement Rapuluchukwu
The suspects, Sunday Chibuko, 32 years, from Ezeagu LGA, Benjamin Osondu,28 years, from Udenu LGA and Wasiu Ajomale from Ogun State were arrested at Abuja, Lagos and Ogun states respectively. The 4th suspect, kelechi, from Oji-River is still at large.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/dailypost.ng/2019/08/16/breaking-police-arrest-suspected-murders-enugu-catholic-priest/amp/

Shuoooo !

This is horrible & abominable !!
Why 4 'likes' for the murder of your fellowman?
If that catholic priest is your family member, would you "like" it?
Uwa mmebi !
Alu me......

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vybzkartel:
1) Just like your father the devil! And your Freemason fonder, Charles Russell

2)
Why didn't you continue John 1:18 ?

John 1 New King James Version (NKJV)

18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten [h]Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.[/b]

(hope you understand English)

3)
Jesus Christ is the physical manifestation of the father. This is the gospel.

Get out with your devilish lies

4)
There is no Jehovah in the bible

Clear off

Nairalanders, make una see Vybzkartel in sifia pains.
The previous points I explained are from your Bible itself, you won't check it out. Because if you did, your POO will hit the fan..... Lols.

@1)
Freemason Fraternity formally ADMITTED they NEVER had any connection to Russell.
You're a SHAMELESS LIAR.

@2)
It's not too late for you to commence Adult literacy class so you can understand John 1:18.
Receive sense,
"No man hath seen God at any time" but his son came to declare it.
Vybzkartel na rocket science?

@3)
Vybzkartel Pathetic LIAR.

" The Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. You have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his shape"
John5:37.

4)
"thou art Jehovah, thou alone art the Most High over all the earth" Psalms 83;18(KJV).

Vybzkartel is a pained, pathetic LIAR.

vybzkartel:
Four examples of where the New World Translation gets it wrong

DECEMBER 21, 2015 BY ROB PHILLIPS
This is the last in a three-part series on Jehovah’s Witnesses
Jehovah’s Witnesses regard The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures as “an accurate, easy-to-read translation of the Bible” (jw.org). What many don’t realize is that four of the five men on the translation committee producing the complete 1961 edition had no Hebrew or Greek training whatsoever.
The fifth, who claimed to know both languages, failed a simple Hebrew test while under oath in a Scottish court.

What all this means is that the Watch Tower’s official version of the Bible is “an incredibly biased translation,” writes Ron Rhodes in Reasoning from the Scriptures with Jehovah’s Witnesses.

British scholar H.H. Rowley calls it “a shining example of how the Bible should not be translated,” classifying the text as “an insult to the Word of God.”
Revisions in 1984 and 2013 have not improved the translation.

So, what’s wrong with the NWT? In a phrase, the translators consistently have sought to conform the text to Watch Tower theology, particularly with respect to the person and work of Christ.
A few examples should make this clear.
Jesus as “a god”
John 1:1
This verse in the NWT 2013 reads: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” The Watch Tower goes to great lengths to explain why this is an accurate rendering of the Greek, citing grammatical rules and misquoting Greek scholars to support its belief that the Word is “godlike, divine, a god,” but not co-equal and co-eternal with the Father.
In truth, as the late professor and dean Charles L. Feinberg noted, “I can assure you that the rendering which the Jehovah’s Witnesses give John 1:1 is not held by any reputable Greek scholar.”
Compare the King James Version (KJV): “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The New American Standard (NASB) and Holman Christian Standard (HCSB) versions read exactly the same.
Jesus not eternal
John 8:58
The New World Translation (2013) renders this: “Jesus said to them: ‘Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.’” Because Jehovah’s Witnesses deny the deity and eternality of Jesus, their translators had to change the biblical text to match their errant doctrines.

Compare the KJV: “Jesus said to them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”
Or consider the NASB: “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” And the HCSB renders it, “I assure you: Before Abraham was, I am.”

Here, Jesus harks back to Exodus 3 where God reveals Himself to Moses in the burning bush as I AM, or YHWH, a unique name Jesus applies to Himself as He speaks to religious leaders of His day.
Jesus’ blood not divine
Acts 20:28
The NWT 2013 reads: “Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son.”
Since JWs deny the deity of Christ, they cannot allow God to shed His blood to pay our sin debt.
Consider the plainer language of the KJV: “… feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.”
The NASB and HCSB both render it “His own blood.”

Jesus a secondary creator
Colossians 1:17
The NWT 2013 reads: “Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist.”
Jehovah’s Witnesses argue that Jesus is the first of Jehovah’s created beings, who then created all “other” things. Again, the biblical text is bent to match JW doctrine.

The KJV reads: “And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
The NASB reads: “He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.”
And the HCSB reads: “He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.”
No English translation distorts the true meaning of this verse like the NWT.

We could cite other examples – Col. 2:9, Titus 2:13, and Heb. 1:8 to name three – but the point is that Scripture must dictate doctrine, not the other way around. And that is the fatal flaw of the five “scholars” who gave us what the late Bruce Metzger of Princeton Theological Seminary called “a frightful translation.”

Vybzkartel of FALSEHOOD.


@1)
Colossians 2:9, "Godhead" is a FRAUD. Everyone go and check Greek lexicon of Colossians 2:9.
Greek "theotes" is NOT Godhead, I challenge anyone to prove it wrong.
@2)
Hebrew 1:8, "Your throne oh God" is another FRAUD.

*I) Luke1:30-33, Jesus Christ inherited king David's throne. Jesus is from David's lineage.

*ii) 1Chro29:23, King David and his lineage are sitting on God's throne.

*iii) Rev 3:21, Jesus Christ in heaven says "I sit on my Father's throne".

**iv) Hebrew 1:8 is a copy of Psalms 45:6.
Israelites NEVER read Psalms 45:6,& say their king is God.
Because the correct sentence of Psalms 45:6 "Your divine throne is forever'
OR: "God is your throne" meaning God founded your throne. 1Chro29:23.


@3) Acts 20:28 , many bible scholars dispute the authenticity of that verse.
Jesus Christ himself confirmed NWT is correct. Why?
**i) Jesus says God sent his only begotten son to die for man. John3:16, True or false?

**ii) Only God alone whom no man has seen or can see is immortality. 1st Timothy 6:16.

"No man has seen God at any time" John1:18.
Is Jesus Christ lying?

Vybzkartel ,is Jesus immortal?

Jesus says the scriptures can not be broken.