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At least he should not throw stone

Ever heard of GREAT IFE?

Sam Milla:
wait a moment here,

if ken nnamani had supported third term and majority of the senators were against it,

WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED?

It still would not have seen the light of the day, but it will surely be more difficult to achieve the aim.

Between 30K-50K for most.

@topic, gud news. And tank God we saw a post from BCR witout 'Yoruba', 'Benin' or map.

Nice one Loma:

Exorcism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=950gEwgdrmE&feature=related

adigun101:
The fact that the removal (non-renewal) of a public office holder has even generated some heated discussion in Nigeria can only give kudos to the guy involved. Anywhere it is raised, there is some debate.! Do you know how many threads are on NL regarding this issue. It points to the fact that there might be something not quite right. This is not the first time a CBN governor has been removed/replaced in Nigeria, how come this one has generated so much talk.

Common, its only a CBN governor !

I think this generated issue because of Soludo's vibrancy. Past CBN govs used to be quite quiet, and other than operators in the financial system, nobody hardly cared who was at the helm of affairs in CBN. When Soludo came, I remember vividly that there was also a mild debate that centred on 'how competent will somebody from academics, who knows only theory, be in regulating the system'. A lot of people were critical of the decision, I still remember.

But with his recapitalization policy that shook the whole nation, even the Iya Seki that sells yam in eyenkorin market knew there was somebody called Soludo. The policy shook the whole economy, and even the illiterate saw that something was happening to the bank in his village. Everybody suddenly became Economic analyst.

For a man that brought such consciousness to the whole nation, it is only natural that when he's leaving, the whole nation will know and will be interested in who is succeeding him. This is the cause of the ado about Sanusi.

The second factor is the tribal issue. If the successor had been a Professor Eze or Chief Oluwalambe, I'm sure many people would not have gone deep to question his competence. There is a pervasive myth(or reality, depending on how anybody sees it) that Yar'adua is too pro-north. The fact that the successor is an 'aboki' also fueled the debate.

tkb417:
Jarus, i was at Vetiva yesterday and i met the boss and the other peeps

clean place. but why are they in that hideout?

Yeap, Vetiva is a very cool, clean place.

Hideout? I also wonder o. No signpost, nothing, until you enter the compound before you see anything Vetiva. You won't even know a company is in that corner. I think it's their own style, just want to be different.

Barka Jumuah my brothers and sisters.

Sermon centred on humility and other virtues, and prayers for Chief MKO Abiola(June 12).

Bashbaba:
laughing,


My brother, when my dhkir is up to date.No vacancy!!!

Emuejev:
@ jarus and t-cann,

this is the second time am asking, i really hope you guys reply,

new graduates like me dont have all the information concerning these investments banks and some other good places that we can work,

i have interviewed with kpmg and they ve kept me a waiting list and how long that is i dont know,

so please if you guys can steer us towards the right direction by giving us insiders info, it would really be appreciated.

i have already checked out some of the websites and just no luck applyin

First, I'm no longer in the investment banking system.
But by the way, don't forget that there has been a lull in the labour market generally since the meltdown. Things are coming back now, but most companies have suspended or at least slowed down on their recruitment activities.

If you are in Lagos, you just have to go to their offices and drop your CVs.

sexibabes:
Jarus whats ur number,
or email add.

Sent.

Anybody has an idea about air fare to Ghana?

Matter to be looked into.

So callous. Haba. We are talking about life here, and they are talking about money. Too bad.

I definitely wont name d person. But none of d 2 u mentioned, altho dose 2 are our family friends. Kindly delete names.

Tanx Loma. Sori 4 d exposure. U're a gold fish dat has no hiding place.                                              I also schooled on Chevron's bill in Ife.

zander87:
@Jarus
Plz can u comment on the oil and gas companies at entry level for a finance role.
Thanks.

For entry level, most oil companies, especially multi-national upstreams, have organized recruitment system and standardized recruitment process. Coming in through the backdoor is therefore very unlikely. Unlike banks and other institutions, where you can drop your CV or fill a form online anytime and get invitation for test, Multi-national oil companies don't just accept CV anytime. They have period they call for applications, and they usually advertise, although sometimes they don't advertise in newspapers. They don't take entry level outside this period/process, and it is usually annually.

Let me talk about Shell and Oando, which I know very well, having gone through the processes:

SHELL
APPLICATION PROCESS: They have a standardized graduate recruitment process, and usually annually.They don't collect CV except at the period they are recruiting. They have a universal recruitment process, that is, the same process they use to recruit in Shell Nigeria is what they use in Shell UK. When it's time they want to recruit, they place advert in papers and/or on their website and outline the procedure. It used to be 2-2 and above in any Social Sciences or finance-related course, but the latest one(that closed May 31, 2009) said 'minimum of 2-1 or 2-2 plus masters degree'. Expectedly, they receive millions of application, but by criteria only known to them, they shortlist about 500. I actually made their shortlist in 2008, passed their interviews, but due to some personal reasons , I didn't show up for their SRD(the last stage) which I was invited for in Warri, so I let go the chance. At last they took about 50 and my closest friend made it, and with them today.

[b]INTERVIEW: [/b]Shell is a merit-driven company and I respect them a lot. After shortlisting, they invite you for interview. They used to start from from test before but they've cancelled test since last year.(I'm talking about Finance pls, not engineering). At the interview, you will have the opportunity to meet a senior, sometimes retired, staff, and you will be evaluated on 3 criteria they call CAR(Capacity, Achievement and relationship skills). For techical grads, tehy have the fourth criteria called Technical ability.They don't attach much importance to paper certificates, or at best it can get you shortlisted for first stage interview, but at the interview they don't care whether you had First Class, ACA,ACCA,CIS etc. The interview will last for about 1 hour or more. Under 'capacity', they will give you a set of topics, usually relating to Shell and its business environments, and ask you to chose one, on which you will be questioned on. Under 'achievement', you will be asked to give an achievement you have made in your life(they don't take academic achievement, so they won't take First Class as an achievement from you. I will give practical question-answer scenario later in this thread when I'm less busy). You will then be questioned on that achievement-the challenges you faced,how you surmounted it, what you learnt from it etc. On 'relationship skills', you will be asked to state a time when you found yourself in a team, the role you played, the challenges, the lessons etc. While you are doing all these, your interviewer will be making notes, and at the end of the exercise you will be asked whether you have any question. It is better for you to have prepared in your mind the question you want to ask, and try to make it intelligible: Questions like: Sir, as an insider, what do you think is the cause of the Niger Delta unrest. Is it that MNCs are not doing enough or these boys are just greedy. I will like to know sir. Or: As a staff with Shell for more than 30 years, and now retired, what advice do you have for someone like me just hoping to join this respected company?

SRD: Two weeks or less after their interview, you will be contacted whether you are successful or not. If you are successful, you will be invited for the next and final stage called Shell Recruitment Day(SRD). This is a full day event, and usually take place in their Edjeba residence in Warri. You will be reimbursed for your flight there and given return fare(about 40K). You will be advised to fly to Warri a day before and be prepared to go back a day after the SRD, because SRD lasts 7am to 6pm. You will be given a full suite to lodge in and, a night before, there will be a dinner organized for you all where you will be given the opportunity to interact with Shell staff to narrate their experience etc. On the D-day, you will again be assessed under CAR, but here more practically. Under 'Capacity', you will be given loads of emails, documents etc bordering on an issue. You will be required to proffer solution to the issue at hand. Here, you need to be a fast thinker. You will be given time to read all the documents but the time is not usally enough to have full grasp of the issue, but your head must be working seriously. To test 'relationship skills', you will be grouped into a team about 6 or 7 candidates, and you will be asked to select somebody as group leader. You will be given a series of projects and asked to, as a team, pick one. You will hold meetings(Think of business reality shows!). You will brainstorm, work as a team and you will be given problem to solve. It entails a lot which space will not allow me to fully narrate here. While you are doing this, the observers, usually senior Shell mgt staff from recruiting depts, will be observing. At the end of the team project, there will be a 'press conference' where your observers will ask you questions on the projects, a la journalist. The objective here is to see your relationship/team skills. Hints: Be active but don't be overbearing. Chip in intelligent ideas, shake your head to approve a team mates' idea etc Under achievement, it's exactly like the first interview, and one on one, you will be asked to state an achievement in your life upon which you will be questioned.
It's a whole day activity and there will be lunch beak in-between. Very rigorous. You need to be prepared. I was invited for their SRD after passing their first interview but couldn't show up, I resumed another company that week.
After about two weeks, you will be contacted on the outcome of your SRD, whether successful or not. 2 or 3 people may be selected from a team,but they say it happens at times that they select everybody in the team if they all impress, just as they can discard everybody in a team.

MEDICALS: If you pass SRD, then Medicals follow. This is also usually very rigorous and they carry out many tests. They disqualify people here too.

PACKAGE: Shell spoils you with money. Their annual pay for entry level, is between N6.5-7m per annum.I know the exact but will not state it here. If you are posted to a place outside your primary city of residence, for example, you live in Lagos but they posted you to their PH office, they will, on resumption, pay you N1.8m as hotel fees(they expect you to stay in hotel for 3 months @ N20k per night, while you sort out your accommodation). There are other benefits like N1.3million non-deductible car grant after confirmation. Confirmation is after one year.

WORK ENVIRONMENT: Stressless. Closing is 4pm.

TRAINING: Unlike engineering recruits that usually get overseas training, you have little chances of being sent abroad for training as a Finance entry level recruit in your fisrt two years. Most of the training programmes are within Nigeria. After you have fully settled, maybe after confirmation after one year, then all those foreign trips may start coming.

COMING SOON: MOBIL AND OANDO. I will invite my friend in Chevron global headquarters in US, loma, also a Nairalander, to come and give us hints about Chevron, but the challenge is that he is in their IT dept and may know little about recruitment in their Finance. But let's see what he can offer here.

UNIVERSITY: OBAFEMI AWOLOWO UNIVERSITY
That was the first time I left my parents to live in the hostel. Hmmmmnnnn, I lived in Awo hall all my undegraduate live and I really enjoyed it.
It was an egalitarian environment. Nobody was above another. Nobody cared who you were. No big boy, no small boy. Despite the fact that the hall had over 350 rooms, almost all of us knew one another, especially for those not living in annexe. You can easily pick an Awo boy from among the crowd in academics. Awo boys were hardly gentle. The debates in TV room, the arguments in hostels, the aro reverberating from different angles, the ewa.zobot.day, the maximum shishi, the frequent fights with other halls of residence, the Awo cafe reading and other fun events/places.

In my final year I was officially given another hall, Faj, but I had to sell it and go and buy a room in Awo hall. I was so attached to the hall.

I had to write an article about the hall when I finished University, and published in The Nation newspaper: http://www.ask.com/bar?q=the+world+of+awo+hall&page=1&qsrc=0&ab=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenationonlineng.com%2Fdynamicpage.asp%3Fid%3D40464

davidylan:
hopefully it wont get me banned.

1. How does a jinn convert to islam and who exactly is a jinn?

1, By pronouncing the 'shahadah', that is, testifying that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) is His messenger. if while exorcising an afflicted person, the Jinn speaks and you preach Islam to him and he accepts, you ask him to say the above statement. If after going he reverts, that is his own cup of tea.

1b. Jinns are special creation of Allah just like human beings. They occupy the same earth with us. They have their world entirely. They are ordinarily invisible to us, except they take human or animal or object form. Allah talks extensively about them in the Qur'an. There are good ones among them, just as there are bad ones. There are Muslim ones just as there are non-muslims one. The nearest English translation is 'demon' people talk about but the way people picture what they call demon is somehow different from the Islamic concept of Jinn, that is why the word Jinn (what Qur'an calls it) is being preferred even when talking about them in English rather than demons etc. For example, demon is seen as only evil, there are good jinns(but whether good or bad a Muslim is prohibited from interfering in their lives or consult them or use them or seek help from them).

the gullible are simply sitting there crying jazakallah while others copy and paste what they know not.

Can you tell us who is copying and pasting? And from where? And how you, the encyclopedia of Islam, know they know not?

You can as well challenge us on any of the issues we discussed here, at least you are not gullible?

davidylan:
Jarus i dont think you're being fair or honest at all. What exactly do you mean by non-muslims being welcome to ask "sincere" questions?

The other day i "sincerely" asked that a few muslims prove to me that Asiya (as mentioned by mohammad WITHOUT PROOF) ever existed as a queen in Egypt. Despite providing plenty of counter evidence . . . it was removed SWIFTLY and i was banned for the day. So what really are "sincere" questions and what is "trouble"? Daring to ask that muslims provide evidence for their historical claims is = trouble?

I think a lot of threads die here because muslims dont have answers to the questions and are afraid of learning the truth. There are swarms of atheists on our section AND YET its way more alive than this place.

Noted.

Lagosboy:
If any sincere person read this very successful thread , one thing is a fact davidylan has been absent and it was successfull. First post by you and it is another controversial and irrelevant Asiya issue, i was banned bla bla bla you are bring up. Moderator pls delete his comment and lets keep the thread sane.

Noted too.


Let's try to restrict ourselves to the subject.

webdezzi:
@Jarus,

I wish all Muslims are like you, I am a christian and I totally support what funmi has been saying.
even at that, I like your personality.

@Funmi, Such arguments could cost you ur life if you are in the wrong place. Except you are ready to be a martyr
A lady was burnt in the north for an offence far lesser than what u just did.

We have a special section on NL, ISLAM FOR MUSLIMS SECTION, where we welcome non-Muslims sincerely asking questions on Islam and Muslims. It's just a pity that some people do come there to cause trouble. Funmi used to be our friend there. She was quite civil and polite in asking her question and that was why this thread was a success. A lot of similar threads were killed by intruders.

Where SLS hit Muslims and notherners too:

Very recently, the Katsina State Government tried to pass Bills banning the sale of alcohol and the operation of LovePeddler-houses in the metropolis. As a consequence of this move (and, it is said, failure of the House to approve the Bill), irate Muslim youth, shouting Allahu Akbar decided to burn not just beer parlours, hotels and whorehouses, but also Christian churches.
Now, the Qur’an (Hajj. (ch. 22): 40) specifically forbids tearing down monasteries, churches, synagogues and mosques. [b]Yet the leaders of Muslims have not come out strongly enough to condemn this violation of the rights of Christians, nor considered the implications of Christians in turn burning mosques in retaliation. It is also worthy of note, that christian morality does not approve of alcoholism and prostitution.

These are his statements on other articles/speeches of SLS I have with me:

If a governor starts a legal and political project and calls it “shari’ah”, and is able to recruit some scholars who support him, that does not make what he is doing to be Shari’ah. To conclude, let me restate here my position on these issues, which has been and will remain consistent come what may. I do not accept what is happening in some northern states today, where poor thieves are amputated and poor women are harassed for adultery by incompetent and thieving politicians to be Shari’ah, I will never defend it, and I will not stop criticizing it until the governors change. I do not believe that every Muslim minister is good and every non-Muslim minister is bad, or that we will have a good government if we fill it with Muslims. I[/b]n any case I doubt that many Christians consider Obasanjo or many of the Christians around him as good examples of Christianity. [b]I believe Obasanjo’s government has failed the nation in many respects, and that it deserves serious sanction; but I do not believe it failed because it has a majority of Christian ministers. Each person is an individual with personal virtues and vices, and we must be fair in our judgment of fellow human beings.

And a final word, for those who care to listen. There are people who can be cowered, bamboozled or intimidated by glorified almajirai. I am not one of them. Period.

Whereas Ja’far may not have read the above books or articles, he seems to at least claim that he reads my writings. I am assuming that his understanding of the English language is sufficiently deep for him to understand what he may have read without relying on amateur interpreters

, We thus have the picture of a man born in Daura and bearing the epithet “Katsina”; an ambulant who grew up without stability or parental care; a charm maker who turned into a fanatical wahhabite; an alien and settler in his place of abode; a Nigerian who was educated on the charity of Saudi Arabia and whose mosque and school-his source of livelihood-are funded by Arabs; a strong advocate of anti-Americanism whose patron is doing good business with the Great Satan himself; in other words, a man whose life has been a series of dislocations, contradictions and alienation; an exile throughout his life, groping for terra ferma beneath his feet; an unknown quantity that rides on the back of religious fundamentalism to gain social relevancy. Such a person needs an anchor desperately because of his inherent insecurity and instability, and he finds it in paranoid and parochial identities.

. . .SLS lashing out at a popular Kano Islamic preacher

. . .The truth is that, by virtue of Divine providence and the circumstances of my birth, up-bringing and education, I have no need to announce my ethnic, religious, racial or family background, nor seek recognition on that basis. I take them for granted and I am more interested in who I am, in the sense of how do I become an exemplar of what I am?

. . . . It is also instructive, for those clamouring for a higher Muslim quota, that among those struggling to push Obasanjo’s self-succession agenda they will find many Muslims from the north.

. . . .Only education of the northerner, and up-liftment of his consciousness, will provide him with the requisite power of introspection through which the nonsensicality of his common sense can become apparent. Only then will it occur to him that although Babangida, Abacha and Abubakar were Muslims, and although Useni, Shagaya, Mark, Bamaiyi and Dogonyaro were Christians, the rising social profiles and increased personal opulence of these members of the establishment was accompanied by the continued impoverishment, ill-health, and deprivation of the Muslim and Christian masses.

More quotes from SLS to come

BP:
Wow. I just went through every line of the speech/lecture by Sanusi and I must say that this guy has depth. As a student of politics I find his views very analytical, insightful and even forward-looking.

If you read this article without any spectacles of ethnic coloration, you will agree that alot of what he said makes historical, political and academic sense. Granted that the article may have some "color" based on Sanusi's background, but you will agree that total and absolute objectivity is NOT possible in the realm of the social sciences

I will call my former professor of political science in Unibadan(and current VC of Igbinedion University), Professor Eghosa Osaghae for an instructive and entertaining dialogue on this matter.

Sincerely, and apology to our northern brothers here, I have never seen any Fulani man so brilliant, analytical, and multi-versed like this Sanusi. The guy is too good. Last week Friday, I practically abandoned my office work, to dig the net and download all his past articles and rejoinders to to his articles. He had engaged Reuben Abati, Simon Kolawole, Okey Ndibe and other top columnists before. I sacrificed my sleep in the night reading his articles when I got home and I wonder how I didn't know him before. I can't help writing this article: http://top25plus.net/blog/?p=354

I posted the article in my NOTE on FB and tagged Soludo and Sanusi's son, both my friends on FB. The son wrote me a couple of hours ago, saying he would show Dad the article and, if I don't mind, he would tell his Dad to fix an appointment with me and meet him.

debosky:
Ibime read the comments of the man - he is no bigot.

He castigates Yorubas, Igbos and Hausas in varying measures in the article. Jona being a myopic tribalist quickly picked out the southern comments and left out the others.

He is free to hold political opinions, and does have the right to give his views on the roots of Nigeria's problems. I find his analysis insightful and refreshing. We need different viewpoints at the top, not just a set of yes men.

Debosky, this is why I always respect you.

The fact is SLS is not well known to even Yar'adua, because I'm sure if he knew him well, he would not have given him the job. SLS is both a defender of the north(especially his fulani stock) and a rebel to the same north. I have read over 30 of his articles and rejoinders to his articles. In fact, every article he writes always generates controversy. He appears to me as a social critic more than a banker. I even wonder how he was rising in his banking job, given his too much interference in politics. Read my article on him here: http://top25plus.net/blog/?p=354

SLS is not a 'yes sir' person and this already showed in his confirmation session when he bluntly advised YRD to reduce the 7-point agenda to 2.
Sanusi blows hot on his people(the north) just as he does to the Yorubas and Igbos. Being a rare very educated, well-read and versatile Fulani that can amtch the best brains from teh South, the guy took it upon himself to defend his Fulani people against the popular notion that 'North is cause of every problem in Nigeria', whiel not faulting his kinsmen too.

On the Islamic thing, if you see what Sanusi wrote about a very popular Kano Islamic scholar(Sheikh Ja'afar: remember him? the Sheikh killed in Kano in 2007) around 2005, you will wonder if Sanusi is not even a disservice to northern Muslims. So those claiming SLS is a Shariarist, then they shoud have a rethink. I personally disagree with him on a couple of Islamic issues he raised.

So, there is more to Sanusi than many people know.

nickybayo:
woah


so existence of jinn means demon do exist?
all this are confusing
i dont even know wht to believe anymore

Jinn do exist. I'm too convinced about it.

It's a pity I don't do any exercise, whether routine or once in a while. I'm too lazy to exercise. I can't even trek 100 metres.
I like playing football, but it has to be for fun, with no seriousness, and the boys in my area play 'too serious' football, so I don't join them. I don't want anybody to break my leg.

salinco:
I heard the story in Kwara (Offa) as well.

very intresting

I also grew up and heard it in Offa.

royalicon:
all but non, no meaningful prospects or gain for ordinary Naigerian

Ever imagine how devastating it would have been on ordinary Nigerian if third term saw the light of the day?

Granted that the whole Nigeria, and not Ken only, fought it, but Ken made it easier to be thrown into gutters.

I opened the link, saw the questions but don't know where to write the answers. Where will I put my answers?