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timpaker: Temmy.m3. And Jedisco.
Yeah the issue still persists.. At times the screen works well without hanging and most times it hangs in a frustrating way...
So if I do the *#7780# Reset will I loose my data/documents?

Yea not only will you loose your data and documents but some Nokia apps like Nokia store and music. There is no problem as they can be reinstalled. As regarding your data, a backup would be the best option. You can use Nokia suite for that but don't backup application data when doing it. Its better you reinstall all apps again after a hard reset as it makes the phone faster and bugfree

Just noticed that my operamini startup page has been automatically branded with some airtel sites just like the mtn version.
Seems they've released their own branded version.

Come to think of it, who is the moderator of this section?
This thread should have hit front page by now.
When SIII came out, it was there before the announcement. In 2 days time I know iphone 5 would be there.
Where are the mods?

4llerbuntu: post the pictures taken with nightmode on too for adequate comparison.

dont do half measures, full disclosure.

NIGHT MODE ACTIVATED ONES TOO

Hahahaha.
I told you to post them cos spambot was all over me but you posted only the controversial ones.

Well... I would have loved to post the whole lot but this was the only one that brought all four together and besides the link is there for all to check.

The night mode was quite better but still far below that of the lumia and the difference is even much wider when you compare the amount of detail taken in by them.

^^^
Due to all the controversy this generated, Nokia invited TheVerge to do the shootout again. This time they could go with the full untouched jpeg images.
Its also worth noting that no video comparison was done cos Nokia said the OIS ain't complete and even the EXIF data from the images are wrong.
This gives further credence to why Nokia had to use a simulation to show what would be on the phone rather than the phone itself.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/9/7/3299784/nokia-lumia-920-pureview-camera-hi-res-photos

I also don't think there would be much changes (if any) from the final product. Afterall thesame thing was said of 808 and when it came out, it proved critics wrong. I don't see this one doing worse.


According to Nokia all images taken from here (http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/09/05/taking-pureview-to-the-next-level/ ) were taken by the phone.

This is an image comparison done between the phone and other flagships taken by independent journalists (TheVerge) using the lumia 920.

bigbrovar: Beside the camera (and seriously Nokia still owns that crown) I haven't seen any thing here that blows mind when compared to what the competition is offering. For Nokia and maybe the wp ecosystem its a great leap no doubt but compared with what is already out there it seems like playing catch up.

I guess one will have to wait and see how things are implemented because right now no known human outside of Nokia has been allowed to play with with or even touch the l920. Until the device is released or reviewed I think it is too early to get excited.

Let's see how well the city lens map thingie works in real life usage.

How accessible the wireless charging would be. (The galaxy s3 is also touted to support wireless charging but until the accessories for enabling wireless charging becomes part of the retail box. It won't ever become mainstream. Just an item to tick of in the specs sheet.)

How really good the display is compared to the competition.

And most important of all. We would get to see how really good wp8 is.right now we can only assume that it would be better than wp7 as it based on NT core and allows for native c++ in 3rd party app development. However we should remember that wp8 is a complete rewrite and in many sense a 0.1 release. The process of porting NT down to mobile will not be easy so fingers crossed on how the final product would turn out.

The way I see it the event of last week (where no announcement or pricing plan was released) was a desperate attempt to get something out there before iPhone 5 is announced and released. Elop did promise to shorten the length of time between device announcement and their release that did not happen last week. I keep my fingers crossed and see how the final product performs. Call me a doubting Thomas but many times I have been burnt by Nokia in the past as what was announced always turns out to be awesomer compared to what is actually released. (Looking at n97, n8)

Though I agree with you on some points like the N97 being overhyped I really don't think its just the cam that makes this phone stand out.

If you look at the N97s case, Nokia was the leader then with so many users hoping for something better. So when it was announced it was sure to be overhyped.
Now in 2012, Nokia has fallen to a distant 4th with so many haters. Even the wp installed base is less than 4% in many countries. So I think that a great deal of the hype is worth it considering the fact that its being generated by non-users (a rare feat it 2012)


Coming to other hardware specs, I think it areas where it has not blown them out of the water, it has proven to be a worthy upgrade.
Lets look at some major hardware
The cam- no questioning here. Can be regarded as the 2nd best.
The screen display- Going by what Nokia said of it being the best around, I think that even if it fails to live up to that (which is unlikely), it wouldn't fall below top 3
Also the fact that it can be operated with gloves is a great improvement on the normal capacitive present in other flagships. Also worth noting is the curved screen.

The design- This is an area where everything was getting boring recently. It can't be denied that its been a long time since a phone stood out so much design-wise. Also the vibrant colours match perfectly with the coloured tile UI of WP8- not bad to be called a fashion accessory.

The build quality- This is an area where Nokia always triumphs. Although it didn't stand out here, its still solid. Can't remember when last they made a low quality phone.

Wireless charging- If you think this was hyped, wait until it appears on an iphone. A good accessory if you get the charger.

City lens- This is just an improvement in an area where they are clearly leaders- Navigation. So if you take the whole navigational package together, its undoubtedly the best option around. The app is available and it works.


So yes in some areas its not stunning but its right to say that this has provided a worthy upgrade (whether innovational or additional) in terms of hardware to the rest. So the right question should be what is the competition offering hardware-wise that makes them stand out? Trust me those hardware features are enough to warran two upgrades from apple- thats 2 years.


WP8 is not as novel as the way you make it sound when being compared to WP7. I would leave the technical details cos in terms of usage, it can't be worse than WP7 which can in be regarded as a modern OS. The main limitations of WP7 like multicore support, SD card, multitasking e.t.c have already been taken care of.
So yes I would like to see what WP8 offers but it would not be a case of whether it would be good or bad (like BB OS10) but a case of how good it would be.


Lastly, on the issue of availability you would agree that its not been easy for Elop to change the waiting period (upto 6 months sometimes) But he has tried.
Current rumours put it around mid-October for Europe and November for U.S.
This was the best thing to do to make people aware of the phone before the iphone hype. Also Nokia has pretty much been playing catchup on WP. It was not until this lumia 900 this year that they hit WP7. I'm surprised they did it so soon with WP8. Remember its just about a year they started using it and have been forced to change to a non-upgradeable OS already.


In summary, though I share your concerns especially as regards N97, I think times have changed and a good amount of the hype this phone is getting is worth it. So just as I'm looking out to the final product, I do so with some optimism and also without worry cos the phone may not hit Nigeria until next year and by them, waiting for MWC is February would be sensible.

temmy.m3:
It is *#7370#

Though I haven't confirmed it, I think its true.
I usually mistake the two

haryourdayG: files like pictures,musics etc

Is it from gallery, music and videos or from 'files' i.e the file manager?
BTW have you tried what I said?

haryourdayG: Hi guys,pls i need help on how to send files from and to nokia 701 to other brands of phone.I've tried it several times all to no avail.Pls i need help on how to go about it.THANKS

What files are you sending from which place do you want to send them and through what means do you want to send them?

If its from the file manager i.e 'files' all you have to do is long Click on the file, it would show you an pop-up and you press 'send'. Thats it. However you have to make sure your Bluetooth is on from the drop down notificatio bar.
Note that you cannot send protected files esp. most apps through this means.

Mynd_44: Airtel can take opera mini and shove it for all I care. UC is what is doing it form me right now and I don't intend to change

Although I agree that UCWeb is much faster. I have since changed back. I noticed that UCWeb does not load the full page for some sites esp. the comments section and login captcha. It also looks like it was made more for mobile browsing and not zoom browsing format. Lastly I had a load of bookmarks and saved pages on mini which I really missed.

Perhaps if if there was no way to return quite quickly and it loaded some much needed pages fully (e.g goal.com and some login sites), I would have switched over to UC.

4llerbuntu: @jedisco. take a deep breath. take a glass of water.

now read that my post you quoted AGAIN, LIKE THREE TIMES.

now tell us how u interpreted it to mean i said the lumia wont suceed. i want to presume english comprehension is not an issue for u.

its really hard to be civil to u. honestly, plus i am starting to seriously think aboutt leaving this board.

smh.

Ah Ah!
You know very well that on this thread (though you've not said it openly) you've not been happy with the progress lumia may make.

I can go up and dig your posts on this thread and show you. From release date, to galaxy sale numbers, to fake adverts, to other OEMs leaving MS. You also have a positive history against lumia with the lumia 900 stuff. Guy you're pretty much been the main antagonist telling us how not to go with the hype as the phone may not succeed
Free Nokia for once!

But please don't leave yet o. Atleast I want someone I can always cross paths with. As na you like android pass and me symbian

I also heard that Nokia re-called TheVerge to do the shootout again. Can you please post the new pics so we can compare with the fake ones. I would have done that but it might be hidden

BTW, my post is not complete. I don't know why this spambot has been pursuing me up and down. Let me try and add up the remaining.

temmy.m3:
**Laughing and rolling on the floor** This dude really needs flogging. Do u really have a clue of what Navifirm, Firmware or OTA Update means now with what u just wrote I shake my head for u and u claim to read blogs ooo, i don't blame u, u read websites and u Neva had an opportunity to practice what u read , jokes apart let me Enlighten u more

FIRMWARE. Are the program embedded into your ROM that makes that thing u are holding a phone!

NAVIFIRM is a nokia software used in downloading firmwares for any Nokia device manually and directly from nokia server

PC SUITE is... well if u don't know that, then stop using a phone.

OTA Update.. OVER THE AIR UPDATE, this is when u connect you phone to Nokia Suite and your firmware gets refreshed or refurbished, either partially or entirely

PHOENIX. Is a software used in writing Firmware files into the ROM

OFW. Original Firmware, are the ROM data for a particular phone, originally made by Nokia that has never been tampered with whatsover

CFW. are the ROM data originally made by Nokia which has been edited or modified for consumers pleasure or enjoyment

Now listen, when a new firmware is released, u can either upgrade manually or OTA using pc suite. The easiest is the PC suite which as well is kinda risky concerning the kinda network back home. U just connect your phone to the PC, click on Update, then Nokia suite starts downloading the OFW from Nokia Server, at this stage the ROM gets formatted and device goes into Test Mode (Flash Mode) until the OFW is downloaded and installed. Normally the PC suite doesnt support multiple Node to nokia server so it is just one time download all through. server timeout is 5-10sec, any slight hold in server connection leads to download reboot there by corrupting the position where the reboot started, now the Nokia suite either shows an error or quits updating. Congratulations! U have just bricked your phone!!

The 2nd Method is manual update. Here, u need to have the FW u wanna use ready plus your updating software. This is where Phoenix and OFW/CFW comes in. Instead of downloading the OFW via Nokia suite (OTA Update) u download it manually, either by searching on Google or by using NAVIFIRM. a complete NOKIA Firmware consists of 8 main files. CORE, APE-ONLY-ENO, ROFS2, ROFS3, UDA, SIGNATURE, DCP, VPL. All this files together are about 160MB in average, especially when packed in a Zip format (Which is quite lesser)

Now after downloading ur firmware, U put it in Phoenix, Connect your phone and Flash/Upgrade. in 3 min u are done. That is it!

Now tell me, isnt it gonna be a wise idea using the second method when u v got nothing to lose? after all if u brick ur phone at the first method, u r definitely gonna use the second method to make it work ever again. and where did u were u told that u ll have to download OFW before CFW or whatever? I shake my head for u

Now lets talk about total and partial update. Total/Complete update involves changing the whole ROM contents with a later version, (Like S^3 to Anna or Anna to Belle) I know u haven't had any experience in this so that is why u felt a a complete firmware is 800MB. ..

Partial update just as the name sounds, involves some minimal changes to the Current OS version ROM drive (like BELLE FP1 and BELLE REFRESH) and not the Whole firmware. This is the kinda update u had. so i shouldn't expect u to know much about CFW or sizes for firmwares and by the way how many people has got time to waste making a CFW for a 701 anyways

CFW has been in existence ever since S60v5 days and now that u, a JJC has come to know about it, wont it be so silly and senseless for u to say it is created just for an old device to have the feel of the new ones U don't just guess bro and read blogs bro, it wont help u much. look at the trash u poured down above na, U need to try your hands and experience some stuffs.

Dude, go back to that blog where u read about the size of firmwares ( Cos am pretty sure u never used one) and read again.

A COMPLETE FIRMWARE at an average is 150MB ( About 100MB if u don't need the UDA, and usually the 8 files comes packed in Zip)
PHOENIX IS 120MB
NAVIFRM is 400KB (Not MB, Kilobyte)
Calculate that, How much Size did u get? and by the way, u should know that a device will never boot up without a complete firmware so keep mute o. ll put my own screenshot here from device manager, at least that indicates my knowing what am doin and not just reading blogs and digesting wrong info, like ya.

I CAN SEE TRULY, U ARE REALLY SOMEONE WHO GOES BEYOND THE HYPE


Where is AIEROMON o. come and see what someone is saying concerning Firmwares and Nokia update stuffs o

Hahahaha
Like I said before, you think you're the only one who has flashed a phone. All this stuff you posted is just like spam
Well let me address your issues.

When I say OTA, I mean doing the update with a phone. If you want to extend it to doing it with pc suite then thats your ish.

I see that the lack of updates on N8 has really got you confused.

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY COMPARING OTA UPDATE WITH FLASHING?? With OTA all I do is check my sw update app for an update, or get a notification for the update. I download it while I do other things with my phone, if there is a connection problem, it stops. I can continue from thesame spot later (I stopped over 5 times with fp1). After this, the phone restarts and installs the update. THATS IT!!! All I have to do is make sure my battery is charged.
Another thing is that it NEVER exceeds 40MB. For fp1, it was just 21MB.
Now compare that to update via pc suite where the files are ridiculously large or WORSE STILL via phoenix where ending up with a bricked phone is quite easy. Its no brainer I don't use any

I have never seen anyone end up with a bricked phone after OTA from the phone. I can't count those I've seen with phoenix. I was almost a victim.


ALL YOU HAVE ABOUT TOTAL AND PARTIAL UPDATE IS UTTER TRASH. The update from Anna to Belle to Belle fp1 to fp2 is one and thesame process. They are just names that come with new stuff.
Its either I choose to do it via the phone which adds the new stuff to whats there and so is smaller or I go through pc suite or Navifirm which downloads the whole firmware again. At the end, I end up with thesame thing.

Its funny that someone who hasn't used an OFW before will be talking about it. Well you just show ignorance. Next time get a current phone so you can flow with the trend


THE OFW FOR FP2 APPEARED ON NAVIFIRM YESTERDAY AND ITS OVER 450MB. THAT OF FP1 IS ABOUT 400MB. IF I DECIDE TO DO IT VIA THE PHONE (WHICH DOWNLOADS THE ADDITIONAL STUFF) IT SHOULD BE LESS THAN 40MB AND AT THE END, IT GIVES THESAME THING. SO LET ME ASK YOU ARE THESE TOTAL OR PARTIAL UPDATES?? ?? ??

YOU CAN START BY TELLING US ABOUT YOUR 'FULL' UPDATE TO ANNA AND BELLE (WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY PHANTOM) AND HOW THEY DIFFER.

BTW I never said the firmware is 800MB. I said it requires over 800MB of files. More like 1GB.

And like I said in the smaller sized CFWs, you need to add the remaining files from the OFW before you flash.


And lest I forget, all this came up because you were saying that you don't need a CFW to get the belle FP1 experience. That all you need do is go to Navifirm and download it but that you don't use OFWs
So again I ask 'SHOW ME A SINGLE WAY THAT I CAN DOWNLOAD
BELLE FP1 FOR N8 AND OLD DEVICES FROM
NAVIFIRM AND I WILL DELETE MY NAIRALAND
USERNAME'

Man as far as symbian is concerned, you are blank and only sound intelligent to novices.



And Lastly the pic you posted shows how blank you are. You should have given that as one of the reasons to use a CFW that the CFW issue seems like a breakthrough for you. Well you need it to get a decent experience on your phone. To me its nothing.
To do that, ALL YOU NEED DO IS DOWNLOAD NOKIA COOKER, OPEN THE FIRMWARE, MAKE NECESSARY CHANGES TO TEXT FILES, CLOSE BACK THE FIRMWARE AND FLASH. THATS IT!- AGAIN NOTHING THAT INTERESTS ME.
I wonder what you would have been doing if you actually made those CFWs

The more you reply, the more you show me that as far as symbian is concerned, you just a one phone man.


P.S IF YOU'RE GOING TO REPLY ME DO IT WITH STUFF THAT CAN NOT ONLY BE PROVEN IN YOUR HEAD OR THIS MAY JUST BE MY LAST REPLY TO YOU MR USED IT ALL.

temmy.m3:
Ok the poster didn't mention that right. oya give us the link to the third phone he mentioned.. N7.

Oga, na this mouth we see u for, Always ranting! especially when it comes to 701! Man where is your location? maybe i should bring u the devices and lets hope Ur own eyes go tell you the differences between screens. It just like Capacitive and Resistive touchscreens, U keep reading blogs, then u gonna get the history of Resistive been the best cos it has got 3 layers or whatever whereas when u test yourself, no one tells u before u know which is superb, Same goes with AD-54 & WH-701 Nokia earphones. U have got nothing to lose Comparing both in your hands and see which one is much better in display. but if u chose to go with TFT it is what u v got and no other choice, then good for you.

No 1 attacked u na, I only told the poster to go for Amoled other than TFT, just because 701 has the opposite screen, U start your regular ranting again..HABA

Cool down, i never said those Partitions were just letters, you are not blind, this is why i mentioned and explained C D E & Z partitions at the previous page, u said some were irrelevant, i ll try and explain again. Normally i ll put this on my topic on dailymobile but i ll put it here anyway,

C: memory is more like "system persist" partition of your Z: Most of the program files in ROM (Z memory) creates their executions in C (sys/bin) cos it needs a space for making an accessible memory dump, BE9 folder command content, Hash-check & temporary files for the phone to run successfully. This files takes up 20-30MB on scratch and nothing more. when u download a Nokia firmware (either original or costumed) U'll find out that UDA is the phone memory and it contains default apps (Social, Maps ,Adobe PDF etc). if u remove UDA before upgrade/Flashing, u ll find out your C memory is clean but the necessary running flies are copied from Read Only system memory (Z) to editable memory (C) which makes your C only 30MB in use. so u can install other needed apps in E, which is partitioned to hold Mass content. Now i think u can see the difference between C and E, and the reason why it is being partitioned that way. so even if my C was 1GB or 100MB, i don't care, all i needed enough space to hold system files, anything else i have them on E:

LMAO. Jedisco, i know ur type. the ones claim they know it all by reading everything they could come across on the net. i have a friend like u, he uses E65, but he could tell u what is happening on a galaxy S3. He prints out stuffs from GSMArena almost everyday and he could tell u d history of flashing a phone whereas he has neva seen phoenix, Cyclone or Jaf box. Na only mouth people like u dey. I'm gonna be frank with u. just because u spent most of your time on the internet looking for phone specs and reading every blog or download every software in NOkia store doesnt make u someone who goes beyond the hype! Trust Me. U are more like someone who watches his mates playing football outside from the window. sue me :-P

Symbian 3 platform is just too plain and simple in such a way that 256MB of RAM is enough to power it up for a STABLE performance. AND YES I STILL CONSIDER N8 WITH 256MB RAM STABLE ON A NOKIA BELLE OS in 2012!! if u v got problem with that, then sue me Don't mistake yourself for an Android or Ios user man, i downloaded Asphalt 6 for Samsung .apk on Tuesday and before installing, i tried unpacking to know how the script init command was packaged compared to Belle version i had for my previous phone and i was like "waoh, this is impressive" . i can imagine why Nokia is moving into windows . I don't claim to be a guru or whatever man, i do love going beyond the basics and making something outta nothing, i have uploaded the screenshot to my own personal FW so keep mute about my purpose of flashing cos u know nothing. How do i expect u to know the goodies of CFW when your first s^3 mobile came with belle. How will u know how the size of a complete firmware? lol. Your 800mb firmware size is quite pathetic and Hilarious, I think others who has really seen and downloaded this can testify

You asked me to list the Advantages and reasons why i use a CFW, what about what i listed at my previous posts above?? or are u trying to dodge them JEDISCO, MENTION ONE SINGLE THING YOU HAVE DONE WITH YOUR DEFAULT 701 OUT OF THE 10+ STUFF I LISTED ABOVE! In addition bro, I have ALL MY WIDGETS IN SEMI-TRANSPARENT with Shadows. YES, ALL! (Could upload them if u want), How many of this widget do u have in transparent mode, Wait before u eat me raw, i know u hav installed some and changed som Mifs ( dat is if u have) but can u change That of the Embedded stuff requires some changes from their source and not just from Mif. like small calendar, Mail etc as well?

Before I reply you, let me make something clear to you.
I don't go about shouting all the phone I've seen when its absolutely not important to a particular discussion. This is an online forum and anything that can only be proven in your house should remain there just like the much better battery life and fm transmitter of your N8.
Man millions of these phones are made and when you're the only person experiencing something out of over 4 million, its simply shows you're lying.

Even worse is the fact that you believe that you're the only one who has come across a Nokia phone. I've used (But not owned) Nokia C7 and N8 but you choose to believe its false and I really don't care. Thats pathetic! ITS JUST LIKE SOMEONE SAYING I'VE USED NOKIA 808 AND NOKIA N73 AND NOKIA N73 TAKES MUCH BETTER PICTURES. YOU WHO HAS USED EVERYTHING SHOULD PROVE YOUR CLAIMS. WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR YOU TO SAY THINGS OTHER PEOPLE APART FROM YOU EXPERIENCE.


You said you can never use a tft in 2012 and I said that I prefer the screen on 701 to that on N8. Then you came up with your false pics and I went ahead to give you several reviews and videos But as usual you throw them away in your delusion want me to believe false pics which only you have seen.
The problem with you is that you think the screen of a phone depends on only whether its AMOLED or not. THATS JUST AS STVPID AS SAYING A VW BEETLE IS A BETTER CAR THAN A PORSCHE COS IT HAS BETTER FUEL ECONOMY.
You don't take one aspect of a technology and base senseless claims on it.

AGAIN WHY NOT START BY TELLING ME WHY HTC ONE X HAS A BETTER SCREEN THAN THE SUPERAMOLED GALAXY SIII OR WHY A TFT PHONE- THE LUMIA 920 CURRENTLY HAS THE BEST SCREEN ON A MOBILE. Again pathetic reasoning? Keep up with your AMOLED delusion, people have moved on.


Again you come with a long and senseless explanation. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE 120MB THAT COMES WITH N8 IS FAR FROM ENOUGH FOR JUST HAS TO BE ON C: ITS SENSELESS IF I HAVE TO VOID MY WARRANTY AND INSTALL A CFW WITH A LOT OF BUGS AND ALSO WITH THE RISK OF BRICKING MY PHONE JUST TO GET EXTRA 45MB . I would rather go with something that has 400MB and be sure I would never run out on C: or need to do anything stvpid.


JUST LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE, YOU'RE THE TYPE OF PERSON THAT BELIEVES WHAT YOU HAVE IS THE BEST AT EVERYTHING ONLY TO CHANGE SO QUICKLY WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING BETTER. Just like I've been frank with you, nothing stops me from saying I've owned E7, N8, C7, 700, 701, 603, 808, bla bla bla and when I'm asked to prove the simplest of my claims I go over the whole line of lies again. Can't you even see that its obvious you're either ignorant of lying. Its obvious from this thread that as far as understanding smartphones outside N8 is, you're lacking.


Hahahaha I couldn't stop laughing when I saw your 'stable' rant. Even java phones are stable. My old N73 and N86 were stable. HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED WHY GS2 WAS SAID TO BE STABLE ONLY FOR THESAME PEOPLE TO START SAYING ITS LAGGY WHEN GS3 CAME OUT?
I used to believe that trash until the fp1 update that increased increased the processor speed from 1GHz to 1.3GHz came out and I couldn't believe how the speed of the phone dramatically increased with just 300MHZ. Now compare that to doubling the ram and processor speed.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY STABLE, BUT IF IT MEANS DOUBLE TIME FOR LOADING APPS OR DOING ABOUT ANYTHING ON THE PHONE (like I've rightly pointed out before) THAN ON 701 (which is fast but not up to par with the current trend), THEN ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT I CONSIDER STABLE AND I CAN'T USE THAT IN 2012.


You must have been to busy reading tutorials to think that the whole belle fp1 firmware is just 160MB. In my nature of providing proof, let me give you some. Belle fp2 leaked yesterday and its over 450MB ( http://forum.dailymobile.net/index.php?topic=80225.15 ). Now add that to phoenix which is over 450MB. If I add Nokia suite, Navifirm and phoenix to it, it would well exceed 800MB- Again proof. However, I don't expect it to exceed 40MB MAX through an OTA update. Now thats just the OFW. If I add the CFW, it should exceed 1GB Why not do thesame for your OFW (Which is senseless not to have before flashing) and CFW.

Just like you rightly pointed out "you do love going
beyond the basics and making something out of
nothing". I on the other hand like knowing the benefits of what I'm about to do before starting out.
I WON'T USE A CFW JUST BECAUSE ITS POPULAR. I want to know what it offers.
Now to the stupid advantages you listed:
- Your widgets are semi-transparent?? WOW! YOU JUST WON AN AWARD FOR BEING SO NAIVE. I do not just have semi-transparent widgets, I use upto 5 different widget packs at once (like bluetooth transparent and radio black). Whats more, all I need do is copy, paste and restart not a stupid flashing process

Music player with lyrics- tell me the version of your music player that does that and I would tell you where it was got from and why I would be stvpid to use it. Also tell me how you get the lyrics to show and I would tell you there are much better and automated options available.

Browser cache to E: That was available as a tweak before you saw it on a CFW

"Bluetooth folder
, record length, edit ur sysAp program like adding a
RESTART Prompt to the power key selection
, startup Animation/Tone as well
as Shutdown Animation & Tones, acceleration settings to
improve the phone UI or Battery performance, radio or Screensaver in landscape"
Is that all?? Is that all??

I WAS EXPECTING BETTER TWEAKS LIKE THOSE I USE. BTW ALL THOSE WERE AVAILABLE AS PATCHES BEFORE YOU EVER SAW THEM ON A CFW. BETTER STILL, I DON'T NEED A FLASH TO USE THEM- JUST A RESTART. You should check daily mobiles for much better stuff.
What you fail to realise is that hackers make these patches or tweaks and release them to the public before firmware moders take them and use in making their firmware. So if I'm hungry for patches, I know where to belong.

"There are 258 different commands in the 'BE9
folder and this has been set by default from Z, how many of this can u modify How many scriptinit hav u personalized?"- ALL I can say is senseless, stvpid and foolish. So this is how you reason? Again how pathetic!

P.S When you reply, tell me what CFW you use so I can equally attach the associated bugs.

This is a screen shot. You're lucky I didn't restart my phone as I didn't think it was worth it. I would have shown u different mixes AGAIN WITHOUT FLASHING.

** double post deleted **

4llerbuntu: Do you see HTC or samsung making a WP phone that has the hardware quality of these Nokia products immediately?

They cannot/will not be allowed to get to the market before Nokia.

Given a choice of buying a WP phone, which would you buy? a Lumia or other manufacturers? it will take a major miracle for any oother manufacturer to produce a product that actually matches these Lumias AND MARKET THEM. the marketing effort sef na big hurdle.


note that the other manufacturers do not have the advantage of being Microsoft's baby. the entry point and costs for them are high.
In this game as shown for WP7 fones, Microsoft is willing to bankroll Nokia and write off large losses, absorb their financial issues.

Nokia also does not pay license fees to Microsoft, the other manufacturers will have to for WP8. they got waivers for WP7 tho, yet market was bad. Nokia moved 7 Million units, i dont think the other manufacturers moved 5 million combined!

Building and marketing a phone is not beans, its a high risk investment. when you are not sure of even breaking even, its better not to go into it.


Bottomline is, it may be too expensive/risky to compete with Nokia on WP8 at the start. if and when it gains market share, then maybe pple will think about going into it.

I don't know why you're hellbent on convincing yourself this phone won't succeed.
From current indications, I think it would be a wonderful takeoff for WP8. Its evident that all the pains Nokia put into early lumias may payoff.

Samsung announced a wp8 phone before
Nokia. The phone has impressive specs and can
just be considered as the windows version of
SIII.

Let me also point out that other WP8 OEMs (apart from Samsung) do not have a better chance of succeeding on android than Samsung. Nokia owns WP just as they did own Symbian and Samsung owning android. Infact I haven't seen any OS accommodating more than one successfull OEM. So as far as WP8 is concerned, others would just have to stick around.


Now, the ONLY reason why WP8 is getting so much press coverage is because of Nokia. Infact lumia is a more popular search term than wp8.
Where were the other OEMs when Nokia decided to stop all other OSes put the future of their whole company on WP? They were not willing to do that instead they were willing to hang around and see if wp8 would be successful. What if WP failed? Nokia would have failed to. Nobody was willing to take that risk. Nokia deserves all those concessions and even more.


Also Microsoft were in a very tight corner. All they could do was watch and see the success of rivals Apple and Google in the phone industry. Nokia gave them the chance to succeed.

(I hope you know that MS is not begging other OEMs to make their phones. All they need is one dedicated partner. Infact Samsung (and I think others) have to say MS for each android device made).

Lastly, MS does not pay Nokia to use their patents. Google bought moto for over $10B mainly cos of patents. That gives you an idea of the worth of these patents. Now Nokia gives them the access to almost 50% of mobile patents for free.
Its fair to say that they both need each other to succeed.


Another reason why Nokia would beat other WP OEMs is simply because they have been able to DIFFERENTIATE their products. Nokia did it with symbian, were ready to do it with android but Google wouldn't let them.
Samsung did it with the galaxy series by copying apple for the first galaxy. Nokia does it by being original.
Nowadays its very easy to put the latest processor, a large screen and good resolution with a candy bar frame and call it a flagship.
920 shows dat people are getting tired of that boring trend. They want new stuff like
- Great and bold design
- Vibrant colours
- PureView camera
- Curved screen
- Synaptics advanced touchscreen (works
with car keys, fingernails, and gloves)
- A superb screen- Puremotion HD+ and CBD
- High volume mono recording using 3 speakers*
- A whole lot of quality Nokia exclusive apps like city lens, Nokia maps, transport, drive, music e.t.c

All these on just one device.
These are ways Nokia has used to differentiate its flagship this year.
Now compare this to other flagships this year and you would see its just a boring chase.

Most other OEMs are lacking whether its on android or windows cant give this.
I've got a feeling that if the current trend continues (thats if other OEMs don't copy), Google may regret not licensing Nokia. Remember the smartphone world is very volatile.

leslieu63: Gudday everyone pls I need help,my e7 stoped booting so I flahed it by holding d three buttons power key,volume down,key and camera key for a few secs and it worked.
the problem now is I can no longer find nokia store, socially app, and maps pls how do I get them back I really need those apps tanks.

For Nokia store- http://www.n8fanclub.com/2012/05/how-to-fix-nokia-store-client-on-nokia.html?m=1

Socially- download it from Nokia store or online.

Maps- I think its also in Nokia store but this is the link- http://www.n8fanclub.com/2011/11/nokia-maps-308139-symbian-belle-nokia.html?m=1

Better still, for the links to all missing system apps after a hard reset. Go to this link and check under 'backup downloads' just before 'faqs'- http://www.n8fanclub.com/2011/08/how-to-flash-symbian-belle-update-on.html?m=1

timpaker: can anyone help me with this?

Was there any app or patch you installed around the time the problem started? Some apps and alot of patches are capable of doing that. If you find any app you think is responsible then try deleting it. You can also 'return to factory settings' in the settings ment.
If the problem still persists, then you should do a soft-reset by pressing *#7380# and press the call button. You should first back-up your data (sms, contacts, calendar, call log) as this should return the phone to an out-of-the-box look and delete all stored data without affecting any app.
This should most likely solve the problem.

Lastly, if it still continues then your last option would be a hard reset with the 3-button stuff. This would delete everything on the phone memory including apps like store e.t.c and its better accompanied with a full reset of the mass memory and memory card.

why are these peeps deleting my posts

4llerbuntu: ol boy mba o. if i were you i wont pray for any carrier nonsense here o.

its only the initial price thats attractive o, if u hear the terms of the 2 yr contract and how much you have to pay cumulatively in the long run ehn! at times its more than double the retail non contract price!

even worse to cancel those contracts na die. inevitably you are stuck with using the same fone for two years.
plus you have to pay for insurance on the fone join


imagine signing one, and having the fone stolen the next week? mba o, all that glitters......

Well thats true cos nothing really comes free.
If it was in 9ja everybody would be using flagships and disappearing after 2 months except if the terms of the contract are really strict. Even at that, people would still find a way to circumvent it

Lil_Marshal: Lumia 900 Was released in the US only and it was very cheap but not the Lumia 800. check Jumia, it costs over 110k even tho it doesn't have nearly as much spec as SG2. SG3 cost 98k. thats smtin we should consider.

No lumia 800 costs about 62k though I thought it would be around 50k when comparing it with how cheap it was is some parts of the world.

jmaine: It did be great to have that prize range here , but seeing the Purview 808 cost more than that , quells all hope . . . .

The 808 price tire me for what its got. I think the only reason to back it up was Nokia saying the cam stuff was too expensive.

Currently with windows phones, things have changed as MS and Nokia are ready to grow slowly with all the handouts Nokia gets from MS added to the fact that they don't pay royalties to use WP. Also Nokia has moved all manufacturing to Asia. I think all these should affect prices. It may still be priced around 98k just as S3.

Come to think of it, isn't this carrier stuff possible in Nigeria? It makes buying phones a lot easier.

4llerbuntu: at least you are honest enough to extend it to agreeing it was misleading.


anyway, :HINT: i have not made any mention of SGS nor compared it with any fone. you guys are simply hell bent on bringing other fones into this and are the ones doing the comparisons anyway

my reservations simply is don't let the marketing get the better of you.
turns out i was right!!


you know what i find interesting? its that they keep doing this hold it up to the cameras thingy and compare.

for one i think its classless. the tech blogs traditionally do this shyte, not the manufacturer. have you ever seen Apple hold up the iphone to any other phone?

secondly, if i had been the one doing this with an android fone, or any other phone, you would have branded me fanboy, i guess its safe to brand you a WP Fanboy too eh??




pls try to correct this your tagalong dudes, im am so not a fanboy. the reason i let you get away with it is because we have had an history debating android/WP/IOS/any other os in the world. and you know yourself that its not really like that.

the problem is these turds have turned it into a mantra, with absolutely no basis for doing so. even on political thread, na fanboy, android thread sef na still fanboy !!!!
therefore henceforth "i will go thermonuclear" on that lil ish.

miss that dude sha, he had charisma!.

I agree with you on some points but definitely not the comparison part.

In todays world it of no use comparing smartphones without doing a comparison and its the manufacturers that are even behind it cos I don't think someone is going to buy a phone for 90k without thinking its the best.
Take a look at some of these
Nokia - Most innovative smartphone.
Apple- Most advanced smartphone.
Apple- Best app support with over Bleep apps.
These and a whole lot more were statements made by CEOs (esp Jobs) and manufacturers to show their devices were better than the competition.


You can look at it this way: 808 is considered the best camera phone cos its better than the competition in that area. This may not be so in 5 years afterall not to long ago, a 1.3MP cam on a phone was considered a superb innovation. Today its nothing.


So my point is that majority of talk on smartphones today is based on comparison. Afterall apple rose to fame by making people believe iphones were the best.

Lil_Marshal: Y'all are all forgetting one thing, ANDROID PHONES ARE CHEAP. check out sg3, it cost 98k and 95k at some stores. WP7.5 phones are darn expensive and we not talking about when WP8 officially launches. Lets not even talk about IPHONES. we are Nigerians.

I don't think windows phones are generally available in Nigeria apart from the lumia 800 (correct me if I'm wrong)

But the pricing thing is not true cos all over the world, Nokia has been laughed at for underpricing wps just to attract buyers. It even halved its carrier price for lumia 900 after just 3 months and some others were almost free.

I just hope such pricing will come with this when its reaches 9ja. Will be good if its around 80-90k

This may not really pertain to this thread, but since this controversy came up lets just for a minute believe that all the talk about pureview on 920 is just a scam and that the camera is not better than anyother regular cam out there.


It surprising we would see two groups of people-
Group A- Nokia just shot itself in the foot. I really loved it when I saw it. This is the kind of innovation I want to see in flagships. I still look forward to see such tech on a smartphone.

Group B- Hahahaha. Nokia is dead. They can never produce anything good. I knew this was not possible on a lumia device when I saw it. Well I can never use a lumia. XXXX all the way.


I haven't said nothing yet. But it surprises me the way different people can view thesame thing.

4llerbuntu: not really. he is not an obsessed turd, hellbent on making himself heard and talking abt things he does not know





oh really? you dont say!!
nokia announces a phone, nokia does videos showing the phone capabilities in comparison with other phones BUT nokia never said it was taken by the phone?

[size=18pt]BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA[/size]

u would absolutely suck as a spokesman

this ranks even higher than "you are holding it wrong"






STOP calling me a fanboy please!

if only your eyes actually sync with your brain you would realise that there is actually truly no basis for that.

i have NEVER argued android vs anything with you before. just because you know i own android phones means?

you idiotically assume every post that does not glorify your fantasies is borne out of beef. how andorid or nokia or anybody sales take concern me? e garri my pocket?


i argued A PHONE hardware. SGS 3 vs Lumia 800 with you once, a most unpalatable experience given the abject dearth of commonsense in your posts

so maybe a more precise thing to say would be samsung fanboy in your case, not android fanboy. which incidentally is not true cuz i can count the number of samsung phones i ever bought. and i have never hyped samsung like a fo.ol like y'all doing with nokia.


you need to divorce emotions,and this desire to"win" every intellectual debate. u end up looking like a f.ool


and as usual, your post has no correlation to the ones before it, does not address the issue, introduces transferred aggression, and generally relies on insults to lend it credence. nigga shut the fook up

Why you dey vex with yourself? That post was not for you.


FYI that video was out before the phone was released and as Nokia has stated, its meant to show the capabilities of pureview 2 as regards OIS. Though I agree it was quite misleading, it takes nothing away from the phones capabilities especially since other comparisons have been done by independent journalists. If you still want to focus on the video, then thats your ish.


Seriously thats the only name that explains what you've been doing on this thread.
A new phone is announced instead of you to appreciate the innovation it brings while also pointing out the cons, you're hellbent on attacking the phone.

LET ME ASK YOU. WHAT DOES THE NUMBER OF GSIII SOLD YOU POSTED HAVE TO DO WITH THIS THREAD??
Go back from page 1 and you would see your stance on this phone shows you are highly uncomfortable with the praises its getting. You would be happier if this phone was being bashed.


Like I've always said, I use my hard earned money to buy a phone so I appreciate good stuff when I see it whether its on Samsung, Nokia, Apple, BB e.t.c as the case may be.


I don't get your ish with that lumia thread. I even said it there that you would e surprised which device I would personally select. My reason not being because one is so low below that a comparison is not worth it.

jmaine: To avoid any back and forth argument . .The statement above is ambiguous to denote so many interpretations, depending on your level of understanding . .

No where in that sentence did it say we produced or simulated this video with the Lumia 920


All Nokia did, was produce/provide a presentation simulating the power of OIS ,that will be deployed/delivered in the Lumia 920 during sales.

offcourse, that part got a lot of people confused, and also gave some nervous fellas like you, something to jerrk your load ceaselessly unto . .




P:S ====> Produce

to bring into existence; give rise to; cause: to produce steam.
2.
to bring into existence by intellectual or creative ability: to produce a great painting.
3.
to make or manufacture: to produce automobiles for export.
4.
to bring forth; give birth to; bear: to produce a litter of puppies.
5.
to provide, furnish, or supply; yield: a mine producing silver.

You're wasting your time explaining to him.

Yes Nokia made a mistake by as the video gives the impression it was shot with the phone. However, nowhere in the video did Nokia say it was taken by the phone.


That video may be controversial but there are plenty other videos taken by independent reviewers and even a new one by Nokia which shows how awesome it is. So I'm still wondering why some people are fixed on that video. Just a single word...fanboys

4llerbuntu: i take it you have used one?

or you are basing your "how good it is" on guesswork, screenshots and media press releases?


btw how come this ones comes with 1GB RAM and 1.5Ghz S4 processors? i thought the specs were not important.

i also thought it was only android manufacturers that "stuupidlly" increase specs and RAM, afterall what do u want to do with 1 GB RAM on WP?

keep revising your arguments to suit the current situation.

[size=4pt]i shld receive a medal for trolling [/size]

I haven't used one but I appreciate the innovation it represents unlike you who never sees anything good outside android. The last time it was 121 reasons not to buy a lumia now its this. How pathetic!

Let me ask you WHAT WOULD YOUR OPINION BE IF THIS WAS ON GSIII?? You would have been screaming most advanced phone ever.

I have never said specs are not important. I simply said they are not worth the paper they're written on if they cannot be transferred to a real life experience. You on the other always thinks more is better which in some cases is not true not be true.

If I was a blind follower of processor specs, then I would be jumping ship every 2-3 months as GSIII is already outdated specwise


As regards the current specs all I can say is that if lumia 900 with much lower specs stood its ground against high-end droids in terms of UI smoothness and speed, I can only wonder what this would do to them

4llerbuntu: one thing tho, whosoever coordinated the media and publicity for dis announcement deserves a big bonus and a medal. great job.

its not easy to get intelligent pple to wet their knickers over a product that essentially does not really exist yet or rather is not available for purchase anytime soon.

all we have are press shots and hype media from journos with a job to do for microkia. i daresay some of those shots are rigged.

but this is supposed to be better than the already available in our hands competition.



dont get me wrong, it could indeed be better, seeing that the competition were announced and started selling months ago( an age in tech). would be a shame if it didnt.

cool down, apples next. EYEFONE 5. the fanboys are ready to pre-order.

JUNGLE DON DEY MATURE.

at least we know iphones will be available for purchase iwithin weeks of announcement!!!

I'm worried why you're so particular about the release date. Afterall you said you're never going to use a lumia device. That should interest people who want the phone.


It should be available in Q4 but even if I take the worst possible scenario of it being available on 31 Dec, its takes nothing away from the true innovation this phone presents.

Finally its good that of all things to attack the phone on, the release date is the most viable option for you. That alone should show you how good the phone is.

@temmy

SCREEN

Now let me give you a lecture cos you just exposed you ignorance.
But before I start let me make some stuff clear
- You should go back and check the difference between SuperAMOLED and AMOLED and see their differences in usage.
-Also tell me why the screen on htc one x is considered better than the superAMOLED on s3
-AND MOST IMPORTANTLY TELL ME WHY THE BEST SCREEN ON A PHONE NOW IS ON THE LUMIA 920 WHICH IS STILL LCD.

You need to know that AMOLED mainly affects one area of screen technology which is contrast and also brings alot of disadvantages. OEMs have found other means of getting good contrast on other LCDs thereby eliminating the cons of AMOLED.

Apart from contrast, there are a million other ways of affecting screen performance.

I never said I prefer TFT to AMOLED But I said I prefer the screen on 701 to that of N8. Just in thesame way 920 with LCD has a much better screen than superAMOLED on s3.
Just like I've always said this decision is based on my usage which I've proved so whether you believe it or not is inconsequential cos to you anybody that tries to show you the light has never used N8. How pathetic

AND remember I always give proof not depending on some delusional stuff than cannot be proven anywhere. Go back and take a look at those screen shots posted.

@Temmy

Man you're getting annoying.
Just show me a single place where the op used N8 and I would do as I've said. If you can't, remain silent.
I posted my opinion on the first page just like I've done severally but you came and attacked me saying TFTs are trash forgetting that much better phones still use TFTs and that 701 has a better screen even than N8.

Like I've always said this is a comparison and 701 doesn't only look better but has better specs.


C: and E: are not just partitions. Why do u even think they were divided in the first place? Do you think its just to display alphabets? Mind you you cant change the cache for everything to E. Even while using a CFW some must still be on C:
But even if what you said is true, its senseless to go through all that just to get 146 mb when I can get 400mb and never worry about running out of memory. Like I've always said installing a CFW on a 701 phone is not worth it in anyway.


You can spare your misinformation about firmwares to your ignorant folk. Remember I'm still waiting for a link to belle fp1 for n8 on navifirm. Or have you forgotten??
So you expect any sensible person to rely on downloading the whole firmware from Navifirm or through PC suite when I can easily get the additions through an OTA update.
The hassles of Navifirm and phoenix should be left to you who has to use it to get a decent smartphone experience.
Man go back and check those your 175mb CFW and you would see they are not complete as you would have to add the remaining from the OFW. I've used a complete CFW and it was about 300mb. Now add the OFW and phoenix and you get the 800MB.


When I talk of bugs I'm not talking of trash. I'm talking of excessive battery drainage, too frequent restarts, wifi or Bluetooth on longer working, flash no longer working e.t.c. For me it was my excessive heating up and restarts and battery not lasting above 6 hours (and please don't mention battery saving patches) which a whole lot of people were also experiencing. Although the guy later updated the stuff but by then I had seen it was a total waste of time.

You should have known by by now that I'm someone who goes beyond the hype.
Its pathetic if your purpose of flashing with a CFW was to achieve those things as they can either be achieved without it or are utterly useless.
Like I said, the only useful thing I saw in a CFW was the ability for the phone to remain hacked even with a hard reset.
IF YOU STILL THINK THERE ARE STILL OTHER USEFUL ADVANTAGES, THEN BRING THEM ON BUT PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE DOING THAT COS YOU'RE CLEARLY LACKING IN THAT AREA.


You said that you did not own the phone was the reason why you mistook the location of the audio out. Was that also the reason why your little experiment regarding the battery life and fm transmitter has only been experienced by you??
Man stop this trash the fact is that you have never used a 701. You should start by getting to use one first.

What I said is that I consider N8 too laggy a device for me to use in 2012. If you think its smooth for you then thats
pathetic cos you definitely haven't used anything better as you claim.

I'm really liking this pureview stuff.
Just saw a really really amazing video of the stabilization thingy and all I can say is WOW!!!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?list=UL&feature=channel&v=moJ9T5pgKkA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmoJ9T5pgKkA%26feature%3Dchannel%26list%3DUL&gl=US

Then the low light performance is another way I'm left wondering how Nokia managed to achieve this. It performs much better in low light with led flash than some xenon flash cams e.g N8

Again take a look at this pic comparing it to iphone 4s in a low light snap. Can't even see anything on the iphones screen.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6236/hands-on-with-the-nokia-lumia-920-lumia-820
http://blog.laptopmag.com/nokia-lumia-920-first-impressions-pureview-camera-raises-the-bar-for-smartphones