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Chykenet: Please people i need some advise or clearness. I got this N8 newly and it was running on old OS and i updated it to symbian Anna via the phone but i heard about the new update (symbian Belle refresh) so i wanted to update it again via the phone but it say 'update thru pc' so i gave it to a friend who did the update for me today(through flashing) but i found out that it is not the new belle refresh i got. I got version (111.030.0609)

so my question is,

1. what the difference between the symbian Os i got with the Belle refresh OS

2. From my version of software, is it the belle refresh that is online to upgrade... or is there another update before the belle refresh.

3. If anyone had really tried and succeeded in updating to belle refresh in Nigeria and the difference between the old and the new belle refresh.

4. And lastly, whats the current price of N8 my babe is disturbing ...saying she likes the phone.. I got mine from my bro outside.

Thanks. I really appreciate any answer to these Questions.

Good Bless

Gud day

1. For the difference. Check this ( http://mynokiablog.com/2012/08/27/video-gallery-nokia-belle-refresh-on-n8-full-changelog/ ). The changelog (new stuff added is fully listed.

2. You are currently using Belle. So Belle refresh is the next update available for you.

3. Although my phone won't get the update (as it already has something similar), I think its already available for users in Nigeria. All you've got to do is open the 'SW update' app from your phone. Allow it to search for available updates, click on the selected update for it to install. Make sure your battery is not too low.

4. From slot ( www.slotlimited.com ) the price is about #55,000. You may also feel free to check up other Nokia symbian phones.

timpaker: i did as instucted sir and the screen is back and running (i pray it doesn't return to its miserable ways)

@Timparker
Let me explain this resets to u further boss.

Now to answer your question,


Like i said above, only your calendar and call logs will be removed plus all the settings restored back to default. all other data remains the same (Contacts, files and documents etc) as this is the Restore short code (Soft Reset) and not ''Delete Data & Restore'' But i dont think this is a solution to your touchscreen freezing issue cos am sure it is caused by an app u installed.

This is what i advice;
Normally i will say Do a Hard Reset, then a 3 key Reset for a clean formated device, but if you can't go through the stress of having to download Store, All QT components etc one by one then just do the HARD RESET (*#7370#) but make sure u backup your data as said earlier
U should hav a perfect phone after this, but take time in monitoring each app u install after this to know which app freezes your touch UI

Also note that too many accelerated apps on your bootdata could freeze your device, u can install Netqin Antivirus, Tap SYS OPTIMISATION-BOOT ACCELERATION and uncheck which apps u don't use often to free up RAM & Processing space for your device to[b][/b] boot faster.
Best of luck Bro.

I've done the above especially the netqin antivirus thang, I equally did disabled some unused apps from the fone and from the ''boot accelaration''- then lasted i discovered the useless apps that has been causing all these mayhem on my phone, the apps is ''whataspps sendUI'' with about 6kb.. It usually appears on the phone without recourse prompting me to install.

Once again, thanks to Jedisco and Temmy.m3 for your prompt and invaluable help.
Cheers! (though, i'm most likely to sell it and buy a nokia lumia wp8 or a samsung galaxy S3)

You're welcome. Hope it also behaves itself.

I have also experienced that whatsapp stuff but it didn't affect my screen. It occurred after I downloaded a supposedly newer and moded version from a software site. The app kept reinstalling whenever I restarted my phone so I had to delete it and reinstall from Nokia store.
The good thing about whatsapp is that once there is a newer version, it informs you and disables the app (though I don't like this part) until you update.

Well you've got two good and interesting phones there. Whichever choice would be a good one though I know which I would choose if it was up to me.

Enough of these copy and paste iPhone articles.

Why not make an article relevant to we here in Nigeria. If you need to take excerpts from another article then you should also acknowledge that.

That said, you should put up the link to this article.

Akporugo247: @jedisco you have already been insultive but like it sound to be an open minded debate rather than been insultive. Thank you for your time.

I'm sorry if I was insultive but I just couldn't help it. A quick look at the blog seems its owned by you and you're trying to drag attention to it.

Well.... I've decided to reduce the amount of debates I do unless its absolutely indicated. More so, not to talk of restarting a debate I just concluded not too long ago.

If you're interested in a debate, you may need to look at this ( https://www.nairaland.com/949724/android-vs-symbian-phones-which ) and perhaps add to it if you think any point was omitted. But please endeavour to read the whole stuff so as not to repeat what has already been handled.

Although I don't want to sound insultive but out of curiosity, I clicked on the link and it got me thinking 'do some people think with their skulls?'

Its just plain stupid that someone would make a comparison between two OSes using three not just stvpid and naive but also foolish reasons.

puskin: .....because Apple decided to finally launch their iPhone 5......every NLer wants to open a thread about it.........Mscheeeeeeewww

Hahahaha.
The amount of iPhone 5 threads were just too much. But why didn't the lumia 920 thread reach front page? Meanwhile iPhone has two articles there.


@topic
The iPhone 5 is an improvement upon its previous iteration thats why it was mainly compared to the iPhone 4S during its presentation. There is no doubt it would sell millions.
Although Slim and light, nothing really new or innovative. Its surprising that according to Apple, the most exciting feature on the iPhone 5 is the inclusion of panorama mode in the camera.
Really think for its price and clout, it should have had a 720p screen.


Finally, if I was to choose a single phone among all the major flagships this year (HTC ONEX, Galaxy SIII, 808 PureView, Lumia 920 and iPhone 5) its definitely going to be the 920.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]I posted my reply before I got to see the pages where the image issue was discussed.

Windows Mobile 6.x left a bad taste in my mouth and I have distrusted MS since then. WP7 did nothing to improve my perception and WP8's doesn't seem to be doing so much either. I'm not saying WP8 is bad or its implementation in the 920 is not going to rock but until I see it I don't think it stands a big chance.

You might be impressed by the sales numbers of the Lumia series but coming from the Nokia power house I think it is too underwhelming to be news worthy. Windows as a mobile brand has been around way before iOS & Android, if they can't innovate their way past those guys then weak sales numbers is not going make any difference.

With the iphone5 out now the Apple loyalists might not be swayed by the 920 even though I think Apple is fading out. "Loyalism" is what gets Apple lots of sales. If WP8 can't wow them then it has a slim chance of making head way.[/quote]Well the WP implementation by MS over the years hasn't been great especially because they leave old users behind with most new updates.
I think with WP7.5 they were quite up to date in terms of UI usability. The remaining hardware limitations and OS glitches should be taken care of in WP8.
If you think otherwise, then its your opinion and no probs.


The lumia sale numbers might not be interesting by todays standards but you've got to understand that this was a fresh phone and OS (for most practical reasons) against two smartphone giants.
Also you can look at the sale numbers as Nokia being a power house a few years before or Nokia seriously struggling for survival when the phone line was released.


Lastly, one good thing about this phone is that it appeals to android and iOS users alike. Afterall they are the ones generating all this hype. WP practically has about 3-4% user base.

Like you said, all the talk has been made. Whats left is for it to be released and its usability adequately scrutinized.

4llerbuntu: and apple stole nokia shine n swag!!

eeyah.

Hahahaha.
I'm not sure you've been following proceedings.

Infact after the apple presentation, I must commend Nokia for announcing their device before that of apple.


At first when I saw the date I was like Nokia made a big mistake.
Looking back now, they managed to steal press coverage atleast a week before release, generate alot of interest when the device was released and hold up that interest in the week preceding iphone 5 release. Now thats not easy!

Worse still is the fact that the phone is better speced and much more innovative that iphone 5 that you would hardly see any review or comments without a comparison being made which 920 would most likely win.

If 920 was not announced, the iphone would have had all the hype unhindered.
The only problem is that iphone 5 will be released before 920 but anybody who knows about lumia 920 and still goes on to buy iphone 5 would still have bought iphone 5 even if the lumia was released first.

Don't get me wrong, the iphone 5 would still outsell the lumia by a good margin, but this phone gives the lumia series (Nokia) and wp8 the much needed traction for the years ahead.


ALL-IN-ALL, THUMBS UP TO NOKIA FOR PRODUCING THE MOST INNOVATIVE PHONE OF 2012- THE LUMIA 920

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Nokia Lumia 920 sample images found
to be fake as well

www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_920_sample_images_found_to_be_fake_as_well-news-4769.php

Image stabilization and low light perfomance might all just be fake marketing buzz...[/quote]It seems you've not been following this discussion.

That video and the pictures taken in it were meant simulate what pureview on lumia 920 would bring.

Nokia has apologized and now put up pics and vids taken by the phone. They also called independent reviewers (TheVerge) to do thesame. Check some of my previous posts and clarify yourself

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Same thing they said about the Lumia 900 even made it an AT&T exclusive yet it barely sold 300,000 in the US.

Windows 8 might be a better OS than the Mango (Tango?) that is on the 900 but as far as I'm concerned WP8 is an unknown quantity and it's prospects for market share are not very bright imho.[/quote]The lumia 900 generated very little hype when compared to lumia 920.
It may not have performed hugely in sale numbers, but it certainly didn't perform poorly in alot of aspects.

That phone was the first high-end lumia phone from Nokia and apart from the design, it didn't bring much in terms of differentiation. Also its non-upgradeability to wp8 didn't help either. The phone however managed to give one of the best user satisfaction ratings.

That said, lumia has managed to double its sales quarter to quarter since its release from 1 to 2 to 4 million which is still the best of any phone series released.

That is certainly not bad for a new phone line in under a year.

If you still think that lumia 900 was trash, then you should ask yourself why lumia 920 is generating so much hype. Its reaping on the effort of its predecessors. Android and Apple grew over the years. They were not 1 month hits

[quote author=temmy.m3]Can someone please come to this guy's aid. Where do i start your case from now
U neva used somthing, u felt u knew it all and u kept throwing #Gbagauns on the thread, i try to explain, u said my explanation was a long trash and wasn't needed, yet u still making the same error & u could boldly say someone is ignorant. Ok Am begging u. Listen again for God's sake, just take time and read me carefully

There have been 4 official released major updates for Symbian ^3 Devices, 2 of which is a full/complete updates which changes the whole device from the root. i.e changes to the whole version of the Symbian OS. This changes Affect the READ-ONLY-MEMORY (Z) folder which can't be accessed by any means except by a serviced tool Software. THIS MEANS YOU CAN NEVER UPGRADE TO THIS 2 FIRMWARE CHANGES WITHOUT THE USE OF "PC Suite updater driver or phoenix" otherwise the z: folder can never be accessible. Even if it shows on SW-UPDATE application on phone, u ll get the notification "PC IS REQUIRED".. This are Symbian ANNA & Nokia BELLE updates.

the last 2 update is BELLE FP1 & BELLE REFRESH
This is a partial update that are ported unto your current firmware version for improvement. it is registered in the device "Hash-Check" so it won't be removed or tampered with, even if u Hard Reset the phone. This can surely be done with the phone's built in SW UPDATE app (Unlike the first 2, Anna & Belle)so even if the update is just 20mb, u can always pause and resume, then Restart when it is done for changes to take effect

Now use your senses concerning "THE FIRST 2 UPDATES & FLASHING"
PC SUITE UPDATE & PHOENIX UPDATE
When both are ready for your upgrade, they automatically put the phone in TEST MODE (Flash mode) so the phone can stop using the Z folder for operation so as to modify the drive. The phone only boots up after a successful ROM (Z) Upgrade.

DIFFERENCES BTW PC SUITE & PHOENIX.
PC SUITE Detects your phone, Formats your Z: and starts downloading the Firmware for your ROM until it is done. U can be quite unfortunate with the network which will leads to disconnection from the server, and since you have an incomplete ROM, your phone no longer boots (BRICKED)

With Phoenix, just go on the net and download your firmware from NOKIA Server yourself (Via Navifirm or any means) then drag into phonenix and upgrade, which saves u the trouble of BRICKING, at least u have the firmware with you so no matter what happens, u can do it again.. and u can even modify this firmware to your own taste befor upgrade. don't forget if u brick via PC Suite, u ll come back to phoenix if your device ll ever boot up again.

Now tell me, MR GURU, which one wold u rather use?

Any Id*ot with a Nokia smartphone can Update a partial Update (Belle Fp1 and Belle REFRESH) which can be done via SW-UPDATE on the device itself. u own a 701 so automatically This is your first and only update u v ever gotten as of present, How will u know how a proper Upgrade is been done

If FP2 should be a "full ROM upgrade" then i will be waiting patiently for you to upgrade and make changes to your ROM via your device.. This shouldn't be an Argument, it will be released soon so we shall see, that is if its gonna be a major upgrade like that of ANNA& Belle and not a patch like FP1 & REFRESH. U feel me

That Reminds me, U asked me to tell u where to upgrade Nokia Belle FP1 for N8. Man this is so s*upid of u. it is like saying, TELL ME WHERE I CAN UPGRADE MY 701 WITH BELLE REFRESH AND I WILL DELETE MY ACCOUNT ON NAIRALAND. Does that makes sense Ode.


Wait Let me explain what u got on Navifirm to u. If u have a problem with your 701 booting up and the original FW on your device was BELLE. u cant boot with that no more cos u have upgraded once. the engineer will have to root you back to Scandinavia and then port u a fresh Belle FP1 from Navifirm. this is what the FW u just got was all about. Now tell me, Why will i download A whole FP1 Firmware when the Released patch for my current belle was 20MB and can be updated via the device? It is like saying. HEY, NOKIA JUST RELEASED BELLE REFRESH PATCH FOR MY CURRENT OS VERSION SO AM DOWNLOADING THE WHOLE FIRMWARE! How does that sound dude

U sound more like a Mor*on by saying i haven't used an OFW. I guess Nokia ported a CFW into my device when i bought it, or maybe i created my own modded version from your own OFW. How old are u bro

U have never seen anyone with a bricked phone via PC Suite cos u either ignorant or u just wanna make a statement here. This is more childish. Google is your friend, or flipped back pages of NOKIA BELLE IS HERE thread and see some.

Man u are not blind. Go back and read my post concerning the widgets, i ask u to provide me a screenshot of your Mail widget and small calendar widget, I never asked for your Ugly FM radio & Music player. not the ones u installed and changed the .mif background from resource. Am not stvpid. i have my reason for asking those ones. u either put those ones here or just stay mute.

YOur last statement about adding file from OFW was not funny, it was really annoying. U sound really sick. what is wrong with you what were the files u added when u used one as u claimed

Your accusations about me Lying, Posting fake test & fake pictures doesn't really bother me, i have known u for some time time now so its your normal behavior. Go back and check the pictures i posted and see how fake it was, maybe i was the one that manufactured both phones. this wouldn't be your first time making such accusations, u made it most times at our previous forum and the funniest one was the picture i took from an N8, u just refused to accept and claimed it was not true, not until u embarrassed yourself at the forum when others were busy testifying with their own shots. That really cracked me up till now, it simply means reading blogs aint enough to claim being good. u need to practice what u feel u know, otherwise u are just like an empty barrel, u know what they say about them right

I don't claim being good at anything bro. Trust me, i don't claim what i don't own either and i do my own thing for my own satisfaction without troubling no one. i just created an account in 2007 to follow topics here until i installed a new windows OS that cleared my cache and i lost my first NL Account password. Decided to make a new one wanted to Comment on "Nokia Belle Is Here" and ever since i have been pasting some time wasting long messages, just to talk about some phones i don't even use anymore. I guess i have had enough of arguments from u as far as Symbian is concerned cos its no more funny, but rather Childish.. Battery,Time Consuming and abusive.
I'm really sorry if anyone feels i contributed to derailing the topic by useless arguments. Originally i have answered the OP's question by giving him a detailed explanation about the 3 phones he asked. so i think am done Here!

@OP
I hope u have got your favorite out of your 3 choices. Cheers![/quote]You really need me to address some issues you've got.


You've put up another long post trying to prove things which are false.
Lets look at the updates released thus far and means of getting them
Anna- OTA (27MB), Nokia suite and Navifirm.
Belle- Nokia suite and Navifirm.
Belle fp1 (previously symbian Carla)- OTA (21MB), Nokia suite and Navifirm.
Belle refresh (stripped down version of fp1 for old devices)- OTA (11MB), Nokia suite and Navifirm.
Belle fp2 (previously symbian Donna)- ??


Once again you don't understand what you're explaining.
The thing is that you confuse yourself with names. Fp1 and fp2 would have been Carla and Donna if Nokia was still interested in Symbian. Would you then call them full updates?
Anna (a 'full' update for you) was available via OTA at just 27MB. So what do you have to say?
The reason for belle not being released via OTA is best known to Nokia has nothing to do with being full or access to Z:
who now needs to use his senses?

YOU CAN NOW SEE THAT THERE IS NOTHING LIKE FULL OR PARTIAL UPDATE FOR SYMBIAN. WHETHER YOU DO IT VIA OTA OR ON A DESKTOP HAS ABSOLUTELY NO INFLUENCE ON THE FINAL PRODUCT.

You can also see that since timely updates are available for me via OTA, then why do I need to go through a PC? In essence, I can't see any advantage of using phoenix or NS.

ITS GOOD THAT YOU'VE FINALLY AGREED THAT THE ONLY WAY OF GETTING THE CURRENT FEEL OF SYMBIAN ON AN OLD DEVICE LIKE N8 IS BY USING A CFW AND NOT BY GOING TO NAVIFIRM TO PICK UP NOTHING. THIS HOLDS NO ADVANTAGES FOR THOSE WITH CURRENT PHONES.


You're asking for additional widgets? This discussion is not worth the stress of me hiding sensitive info just to upload my mail widget. A simple search will show u tens of transparent mail and calendar widgets used without flashing ( http://forum.dailymobile.net/index.php?topic=66843.0 ). Are you now satisfied? If you still insist, I may upload it.

As regards adding files from the OFW to the complete CFW, its clear you've used a narrow and boring variety. The version CFW I used was partial and I had to complete it using the OFW. The next version released was full but buggy.


I had a problem accepting a picture you said you took from an N8 because you had previously told me the audio out of your 701 was by the side together with your bogus fm transmitter and battery experiment. Not forgetting thesame photoshopped images. Its no brainer that I had to get other people to confirm as your words were worth nothing.

Its funny that in just this short conversation you've added the course you're reading, when you joined NL and the number of phones you've used to the phantom stuff which you already have- Things that can't be proven which I call lies.



IN CONCLUSION, YOU SAY I READ BLOGS. YES! I USE PHONES AND READ BLOGS THATS WHY I'M VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AS REGARDS SYMBIAN COS I'M NOT A ONE PHONE MAN WHO BASES HIS OPINION ON SELF-GENERATED LIES THAT EVEN HE CANNOT PROVE.

NEXT TIME I MAKE MY OPINION, DON'T COME AND ATTACK IT WITHOUT KNOWING YOUR STUFF.

At the beginning of this stuff, I put up a link ( http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/14959_Nokia_701_vs_N8_Torpedo_vs_Gui.php ) to a symbian site where a comparison has already been done without bias and hundreds of users also commented (most of which were N8 users).
I asked you to attack it and instead all you could say is that you've used devices in phantom and I've used nothing and yet could not prove a single thing.

First screen- your strongest point yet you went blank when I put up several pictures and videos and asked you why the top two smartphone screens are not AMOLED

I then asked you to give me a SINGLE reason why I should use a CFW. This is what you said- "There are 258 different commands in the 'BE9
folder and this has been set by default from Z,
how many of this can u modify? How many
script in it hav u personalized?" AGAIN HOW PATHETIC!!

Then we went on to size of C:, how laggy N8 is, better looks of 701, better upgradeability with current symbian version, better screen with CBD, much smaller and lighter, Physical call and Hangup buttons, central menu key, larger sized and removable battery, 1.3GHz processor, 512MB RAM, Better GPU, Dual LEDs with physical key key for torch
function, NFC, 400MB free on C:

AND AFTER ALL THIS YOU'VE BEEN UNABLE TO PROVE ME WRONG EVEN ON ONE OCCASION WHILE I'VE SEEN YOU RUN FROM PILLAR TO POST DROPPING POINTS ALONG THE WAY WHILE I RUN CIRCLES AROUND YOU.
I'M STILL CHALLENGING YOU TO SHOW ME JUST ONE PLACE WHERE I SAID SOMETHING THAT WAS FALSE.

NEXT TIME, COME UP WITH TANGIBLE REASONS COS YOU'RE JUST A ONE-PHONE MAN WHO IS BLANK ABOUT SYMBIAN YOU CLAIM TO KNOW. WORSE STILL YOU GO ABOUT LYING THAT YOU'VE OWNED PHONES YOU'VE NEVER SEEN.

4llerbuntu: considering the amount of blur nko?

Blur?? Hmm... na you dey see dat one o. I think this phone deserves the '2nd best cam on a smartphone' tag for now.

Now its over to apple to see what iphone 5 holds.

timpaker: Temmy.m3. And Jedisco.
Yeah the issue still persists.. At times the screen works well without hanging and most times it hangs in a frustrating way...
So if I do the *#7780# Reset will I loose my data/documents?

Yea not only will you loose your data and documents but some Nokia apps like Nokia store and music. There is no problem as they can be reinstalled. As regarding your data, a backup would be the best option. You can use Nokia suite for that but don't backup application data when doing it. Its better you reinstall all apps again after a hard reset as it makes the phone faster and bugfree

Just noticed that my operamini startup page has been automatically branded with some airtel sites just like the mtn version.
Seems they've released their own branded version.

Come to think of it, who is the moderator of this section?
This thread should have hit front page by now.
When SIII came out, it was there before the announcement. In 2 days time I know iphone 5 would be there.
Where are the mods?

4llerbuntu: post the pictures taken with nightmode on too for adequate comparison.

dont do half measures, full disclosure.

NIGHT MODE ACTIVATED ONES TOO

Hahahaha.
I told you to post them cos spambot was all over me but you posted only the controversial ones.

Well... I would have loved to post the whole lot but this was the only one that brought all four together and besides the link is there for all to check.

The night mode was quite better but still far below that of the lumia and the difference is even much wider when you compare the amount of detail taken in by them.

^^^
Due to all the controversy this generated, Nokia invited TheVerge to do the shootout again. This time they could go with the full untouched jpeg images.
Its also worth noting that no video comparison was done cos Nokia said the OIS ain't complete and even the EXIF data from the images are wrong.
This gives further credence to why Nokia had to use a simulation to show what would be on the phone rather than the phone itself.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/9/7/3299784/nokia-lumia-920-pureview-camera-hi-res-photos

I also don't think there would be much changes (if any) from the final product. Afterall thesame thing was said of 808 and when it came out, it proved critics wrong. I don't see this one doing worse.


According to Nokia all images taken from here (http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/09/05/taking-pureview-to-the-next-level/ ) were taken by the phone.

This is an image comparison done between the phone and other flagships taken by independent journalists (TheVerge) using the lumia 920.

bigbrovar: Beside the camera (and seriously Nokia still owns that crown) I haven't seen any thing here that blows mind when compared to what the competition is offering. For Nokia and maybe the wp ecosystem its a great leap no doubt but compared with what is already out there it seems like playing catch up.

I guess one will have to wait and see how things are implemented because right now no known human outside of Nokia has been allowed to play with with or even touch the l920. Until the device is released or reviewed I think it is too early to get excited.

Let's see how well the city lens map thingie works in real life usage.

How accessible the wireless charging would be. (The galaxy s3 is also touted to support wireless charging but until the accessories for enabling wireless charging becomes part of the retail box. It won't ever become mainstream. Just an item to tick of in the specs sheet.)

How really good the display is compared to the competition.

And most important of all. We would get to see how really good wp8 is.right now we can only assume that it would be better than wp7 as it based on NT core and allows for native c++ in 3rd party app development. However we should remember that wp8 is a complete rewrite and in many sense a 0.1 release. The process of porting NT down to mobile will not be easy so fingers crossed on how the final product would turn out.

The way I see it the event of last week (where no announcement or pricing plan was released) was a desperate attempt to get something out there before iPhone 5 is announced and released. Elop did promise to shorten the length of time between device announcement and their release that did not happen last week. I keep my fingers crossed and see how the final product performs. Call me a doubting Thomas but many times I have been burnt by Nokia in the past as what was announced always turns out to be awesomer compared to what is actually released. (Looking at n97, n8)

Though I agree with you on some points like the N97 being overhyped I really don't think its just the cam that makes this phone stand out.

If you look at the N97s case, Nokia was the leader then with so many users hoping for something better. So when it was announced it was sure to be overhyped.
Now in 2012, Nokia has fallen to a distant 4th with so many haters. Even the wp installed base is less than 4% in many countries. So I think that a great deal of the hype is worth it considering the fact that its being generated by non-users (a rare feat it 2012)


Coming to other hardware specs, I think it areas where it has not blown them out of the water, it has proven to be a worthy upgrade.
Lets look at some major hardware
The cam- no questioning here. Can be regarded as the 2nd best.
The screen display- Going by what Nokia said of it being the best around, I think that even if it fails to live up to that (which is unlikely), it wouldn't fall below top 3
Also the fact that it can be operated with gloves is a great improvement on the normal capacitive present in other flagships. Also worth noting is the curved screen.

The design- This is an area where everything was getting boring recently. It can't be denied that its been a long time since a phone stood out so much design-wise. Also the vibrant colours match perfectly with the coloured tile UI of WP8- not bad to be called a fashion accessory.

The build quality- This is an area where Nokia always triumphs. Although it didn't stand out here, its still solid. Can't remember when last they made a low quality phone.

Wireless charging- If you think this was hyped, wait until it appears on an iphone. A good accessory if you get the charger.

City lens- This is just an improvement in an area where they are clearly leaders- Navigation. So if you take the whole navigational package together, its undoubtedly the best option around. The app is available and it works.


So yes in some areas its not stunning but its right to say that this has provided a worthy upgrade (whether innovational or additional) in terms of hardware to the rest. So the right question should be what is the competition offering hardware-wise that makes them stand out? Trust me those hardware features are enough to warran two upgrades from apple- thats 2 years.


WP8 is not as novel as the way you make it sound when being compared to WP7. I would leave the technical details cos in terms of usage, it can't be worse than WP7 which can in be regarded as a modern OS. The main limitations of WP7 like multicore support, SD card, multitasking e.t.c have already been taken care of.
So yes I would like to see what WP8 offers but it would not be a case of whether it would be good or bad (like BB OS10) but a case of how good it would be.


Lastly, on the issue of availability you would agree that its not been easy for Elop to change the waiting period (upto 6 months sometimes) But he has tried.
Current rumours put it around mid-October for Europe and November for U.S.
This was the best thing to do to make people aware of the phone before the iphone hype. Also Nokia has pretty much been playing catchup on WP. It was not until this lumia 900 this year that they hit WP7. I'm surprised they did it so soon with WP8. Remember its just about a year they started using it and have been forced to change to a non-upgradeable OS already.


In summary, though I share your concerns especially as regards N97, I think times have changed and a good amount of the hype this phone is getting is worth it. So just as I'm looking out to the final product, I do so with some optimism and also without worry cos the phone may not hit Nigeria until next year and by them, waiting for MWC is February would be sensible.

[quote author=temmy.m3]It is *#7370#[/quote]Though I haven't confirmed it, I think its true.
I usually mistake the two

haryourdayG: files like pictures,musics etc

Is it from gallery, music and videos or from 'files' i.e the file manager?
BTW have you tried what I said?

haryourdayG: Hi guys,pls i need help on how to send files from and to nokia 701 to other brands of phone.I've tried it several times all to no avail.Pls i need help on how to go about it.THANKS

What files are you sending from which place do you want to send them and through what means do you want to send them?

If its from the file manager i.e 'files' all you have to do is long Click on the file, it would show you an pop-up and you press 'send'. Thats it. However you have to make sure your Bluetooth is on from the drop down notificatio bar.
Note that you cannot send protected files esp. most apps through this means.

[quote author=Mynd_44]Airtel can take opera mini and shove it for all I care. UC is what is doing it form me right now and I don't intend to change[/quote]Although I agree that UCWeb is much faster. I have since changed back. I noticed that UCWeb does not load the full page for some sites esp. the comments section and login captcha. It also looks like it was made more for mobile browsing and not zoom browsing format. Lastly I had a load of bookmarks and saved pages on mini which I really missed.

Perhaps if if there was no way to return quite quickly and it loaded some much needed pages fully (e.g goal.com and some login sites), I would have switched over to UC.

4llerbuntu: @jedisco. take a deep breath. take a glass of water.

now read that my post you quoted AGAIN, LIKE THREE TIMES.

now tell us how u interpreted it to mean i said the lumia wont suceed. i want to presume english comprehension is not an issue for u.

its really hard to be civil to u. honestly, plus i am starting to seriously think aboutt leaving this board.

smh.

Ah Ah!
You know very well that on this thread (though you've not said it openly) you've not been happy with the progress lumia may make.

I can go up and dig your posts on this thread and show you. From release date, to galaxy sale numbers, to fake adverts, to other OEMs leaving MS. You also have a positive history against lumia with the lumia 900 stuff. Guy you're pretty much been the main antagonist telling us how not to go with the hype as the phone may not succeed
Free Nokia for once!

But please don't leave yet o. Atleast I want someone I can always cross paths with. As na you like android pass and me symbian

I also heard that Nokia re-called TheVerge to do the shootout again. Can you please post the new pics so we can compare with the fake ones. I would have done that but it might be hidden

BTW, my post is not complete. I don't know why this spambot has been pursuing me up and down. Let me try and add up the remaining.

[quote author=temmy.m3]**Laughing and rolling on the floor** This dude really needs flogging. Do u really have a clue of what Navifirm, Firmware or OTA Update means now with what u just wrote I shake my head for u and u claim to read blogs ooo, i don't blame u, u read websites and u Neva had an opportunity to practice what u read , jokes apart let me Enlighten u more

FIRMWARE. Are the program embedded into your ROM that makes that thing u are holding a phone!

NAVIFIRM is a nokia software used in downloading firmwares for any Nokia device manually and directly from nokia server

PC SUITE is... well if u don't know that, then stop using a phone.

OTA Update.. OVER THE AIR UPDATE, this is when u connect you phone to Nokia Suite and your firmware gets refreshed or refurbished, either partially or entirely

PHOENIX. Is a software used in writing Firmware files into the ROM

OFW. Original Firmware, are the ROM data for a particular phone, originally made by Nokia that has never been tampered with whatsover

CFW. are the ROM data originally made by Nokia which has been edited or modified for consumers pleasure or enjoyment

Now listen, when a new firmware is released, u can either upgrade manually or OTA using pc suite. The easiest is the PC suite which as well is kinda risky concerning the kinda network back home. U just connect your phone to the PC, click on Update, then Nokia suite starts downloading the OFW from Nokia Server, at this stage the ROM gets formatted and device goes into Test Mode (Flash Mode) until the OFW is downloaded and installed. Normally the PC suite doesnt support multiple Node to nokia server so it is just one time download all through. server timeout is 5-10sec, any slight hold in server connection leads to download reboot there by corrupting the position where the reboot started, now the Nokia suite either shows an error or quits updating. Congratulations! U have just bricked your phone!!

The 2nd Method is manual update. Here, u need to have the FW u wanna use ready plus your updating software. This is where Phoenix and OFW/CFW comes in. Instead of downloading the OFW via Nokia suite (OTA Update) u download it manually, either by searching on Google or by using NAVIFIRM. a complete NOKIA Firmware consists of 8 main files. CORE, APE-ONLY-ENO, ROFS2, ROFS3, UDA, SIGNATURE, DCP, VPL. All this files together are about 160MB in average, especially when packed in a Zip format (Which is quite lesser)

Now after downloading ur firmware, U put it in Phoenix, Connect your phone and Flash/Upgrade. in 3 min u are done. That is it!

Now tell me, isnt it gonna be a wise idea using the second method when u v got nothing to lose? after all if u brick ur phone at the first method, u r definitely gonna use the second method to make it work ever again. and where did u were u told that u ll have to download OFW before CFW or whatever? I shake my head for u

Now lets talk about total and partial update. Total/Complete update involves changing the whole ROM contents with a later version, (Like S^3 to Anna or Anna to Belle) I know u haven't had any experience in this so that is why u felt a a complete firmware is 800MB. ..

Partial update just as the name sounds, involves some minimal changes to the Current OS version ROM drive (like BELLE FP1 and BELLE REFRESH) and not the Whole firmware. This is the kinda update u had. so i shouldn't expect u to know much about CFW or sizes for firmwares and by the way how many people has got time to waste making a CFW for a 701 anyways

CFW has been in existence ever since S60v5 days and now that u, a JJC has come to know about it, wont it be so silly and senseless for u to say it is created just for an old device to have the feel of the new ones U don't just guess bro and read blogs bro, it wont help u much. look at the trash u poured down above na, U need to try your hands and experience some stuffs.

Dude, go back to that blog where u read about the size of firmwares ( Cos am pretty sure u never used one) and read again.

A COMPLETE FIRMWARE at an average is 150MB ( About 100MB if u don't need the UDA, and usually the 8 files comes packed in Zip)
PHOENIX IS 120MB
NAVIFRM is 400KB (Not MB, Kilobyte)
Calculate that, How much Size did u get? and by the way, u should know that a device will never boot up without a complete firmware so keep mute o. ll put my own screenshot here from device manager, at least that indicates my knowing what am doin and not just reading blogs and digesting wrong info, like ya.

I CAN SEE TRULY, U ARE REALLY SOMEONE WHO GOES BEYOND THE HYPE


Where is AIEROMON o. come and see what someone is saying concerning Firmwares and Nokia update stuffs o [/quote]Hahahaha
Like I said before, you think you're the only one who has flashed a phone. All this stuff you posted is just like spam
Well let me address your issues.

When I say OTA, I mean doing the update with a phone. If you want to extend it to doing it with pc suite then thats your ish.

I see that the lack of updates on N8 has really got you confused.

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY COMPARING OTA UPDATE WITH FLASHING?? With OTA all I do is check my sw update app for an update, or get a notification for the update. I download it while I do other things with my phone, if there is a connection problem, it stops. I can continue from thesame spot later (I stopped over 5 times with fp1). After this, the phone restarts and installs the update. THATS IT!!! All I have to do is make sure my battery is charged.
Another thing is that it NEVER exceeds 40MB. For fp1, it was just 21MB.
Now compare that to update via pc suite where the files are ridiculously large or WORSE STILL via phoenix where ending up with a bricked phone is quite easy. Its no brainer I don't use any

I have never seen anyone end up with a bricked phone after OTA from the phone. I can't count those I've seen with phoenix. I was almost a victim.


ALL YOU HAVE ABOUT TOTAL AND PARTIAL UPDATE IS UTTER TRASH. The update from Anna to Belle to Belle fp1 to fp2 is one and thesame process. They are just names that come with new stuff.
Its either I choose to do it via the phone which adds the new stuff to whats there and so is smaller or I go through pc suite or Navifirm which downloads the whole firmware again. At the end, I end up with thesame thing.

Its funny that someone who hasn't used an OFW before will be talking about it. Well you just show ignorance. Next time get a current phone so you can flow with the trend


THE OFW FOR FP2 APPEARED ON NAVIFIRM YESTERDAY AND ITS OVER 450MB. THAT OF FP1 IS ABOUT 400MB. IF I DECIDE TO DO IT VIA THE PHONE (WHICH DOWNLOADS THE ADDITIONAL STUFF) IT SHOULD BE LESS THAN 40MB AND AT THE END, IT GIVES THESAME THING. SO LET ME ASK YOU ARE THESE TOTAL OR PARTIAL UPDATES?? ?? ??

YOU CAN START BY TELLING US ABOUT YOUR 'FULL' UPDATE TO ANNA AND BELLE (WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY PHANTOM) AND HOW THEY DIFFER.

BTW I never said the firmware is 800MB. I said it requires over 800MB of files. More like 1GB.

And like I said in the smaller sized CFWs, you need to add the remaining files from the OFW before you flash.


And lest I forget, all this came up because you were saying that you don't need a CFW to get the belle FP1 experience. That all you need do is go to Navifirm and download it but that you don't use OFWs
So again I ask 'SHOW ME A SINGLE WAY THAT I CAN DOWNLOAD
BELLE FP1 FOR N8 AND OLD DEVICES FROM
NAVIFIRM AND I WILL DELETE MY NAIRALAND
USERNAME'

Man as far as symbian is concerned, you are blank and only sound intelligent to novices.



And Lastly the pic you posted shows how blank you are. You should have given that as one of the reasons to use a CFW that the CFW issue seems like a breakthrough for you. Well you need it to get a decent experience on your phone. To me its nothing.
To do that, ALL YOU NEED DO IS DOWNLOAD NOKIA COOKER, OPEN THE FIRMWARE, MAKE NECESSARY CHANGES TO TEXT FILES, CLOSE BACK THE FIRMWARE AND FLASH. THATS IT!- AGAIN NOTHING THAT INTERESTS ME.
I wonder what you would have been doing if you actually made those CFWs

The more you reply, the more you show me that as far as symbian is concerned, you just a one phone man.


P.S IF YOU'RE GOING TO REPLY ME DO IT WITH STUFF THAT CAN NOT ONLY BE PROVEN IN YOUR HEAD OR THIS MAY JUST BE MY LAST REPLY TO YOU MR USED IT ALL.

[quote author=temmy.m3]Ok the poster didn't mention that right. oya give us the link to the third phone he mentioned.. N7.

Oga, na this mouth we see u for, Always ranting! especially when it comes to 701! Man where is your location? maybe i should bring u the devices and lets hope Ur own eyes go tell you the differences between screens. It just like Capacitive and Resistive touchscreens, U keep reading blogs, then u gonna get the history of Resistive been the best cos it has got 3 layers or whatever whereas when u test yourself, no one tells u before u know which is superb, Same goes with AD-54 & WH-701 Nokia earphones. U have got nothing to lose Comparing both in your hands and see which one is much better in display. but if u chose to go with TFT it is what u v got and no other choice, then good for you.

No 1 attacked u na, I only told the poster to go for Amoled other than TFT, just because 701 has the opposite screen, U start your regular ranting again..HABA

Cool down, i never said those Partitions were just letters, you are not blind, this is why i mentioned and explained C D E & Z partitions at the previous page, u said some were irrelevant, i ll try and explain again. Normally i ll put this on my topic on dailymobile but i ll put it here anyway,

C: memory is more like "system persist" partition of your Z: Most of the program files in ROM (Z memory) creates their executions in C (sys/bin) cos it needs a space for making an accessible memory dump, BE9 folder command content, Hash-check & temporary files for the phone to run successfully. This files takes up 20-30MB on scratch and nothing more. when u download a Nokia firmware (either original or costumed) U'll find out that UDA is the phone memory and it contains default apps (Social, Maps ,Adobe PDF etc). if u remove UDA before upgrade/Flashing, u ll find out your C memory is clean but the necessary running flies are copied from Read Only system memory (Z) to editable memory (C) which makes your C only 30MB in use. so u can install other needed apps in E, which is partitioned to hold Mass content. Now i think u can see the difference between C and E, and the reason why it is being partitioned that way. so even if my C was 1GB or 100MB, i don't care, all i needed enough space to hold system files, anything else i have them on E:

LMAO. Jedisco, i know ur type. the ones claim they know it all by reading everything they could come across on the net. i have a friend like u, he uses E65, but he could tell u what is happening on a galaxy S3. He prints out stuffs from GSMArena almost everyday and he could tell u d history of flashing a phone whereas he has neva seen phoenix, Cyclone or Jaf box. Na only mouth people like u dey. I'm gonna be frank with u. just because u spent most of your time on the internet looking for phone specs and reading every blog or download every software in NOkia store doesnt make u someone who goes beyond the hype! Trust Me. U are more like someone who watches his mates playing football outside from the window. sue me :-P

Symbian 3 platform is just too plain and simple in such a way that 256MB of RAM is enough to power it up for a STABLE performance. AND YES I STILL CONSIDER N8 WITH 256MB RAM STABLE ON A NOKIA BELLE OS in 2012!! if u v got problem with that, then sue me Don't mistake yourself for an Android or Ios user man, i downloaded Asphalt 6 for Samsung .apk on Tuesday and before installing, i tried unpacking to know how the script init command was packaged compared to Belle version i had for my previous phone and i was like "waoh, this is impressive" . i can imagine why Nokia is moving into windows . I don't claim to be a guru or whatever man, i do love going beyond the basics and making something outta nothing, i have uploaded the screenshot to my own personal FW so keep mute about my purpose of flashing cos u know nothing. How do i expect u to know the goodies of CFW when your first s^3 mobile came with belle. How will u know how the size of a complete firmware? lol. Your 800mb firmware size is quite pathetic and Hilarious, I think others who has really seen and downloaded this can testify

You asked me to list the Advantages and reasons why i use a CFW, what about what i listed at my previous posts above?? or are u trying to dodge them JEDISCO, MENTION ONE SINGLE THING YOU HAVE DONE WITH YOUR DEFAULT 701 OUT OF THE 10+ STUFF I LISTED ABOVE! In addition bro, I have ALL MY WIDGETS IN SEMI-TRANSPARENT with Shadows. YES, ALL! (Could upload them if u want), How many of this widget do u have in transparent mode, Wait before u eat me raw, i know u hav installed some and changed som Mifs ( dat is if u have) but can u change That of the Embedded stuff requires some changes from their source and not just from Mif. like small calendar, Mail etc as well?[/quote]Before I reply you, let me make something clear to you.
I don't go about shouting all the phone I've seen when its absolutely not important to a particular discussion. This is an online forum and anything that can only be proven in your house should remain there just like the much better battery life and fm transmitter of your N8.
Man millions of these phones are made and when you're the only person experiencing something out of over 4 million, its simply shows you're lying.

Even worse is the fact that you believe that you're the only one who has come across a Nokia phone. I've used (But not owned) Nokia C7 and N8 but you choose to believe its false and I really don't care. Thats pathetic! ITS JUST LIKE SOMEONE SAYING I'VE USED NOKIA 808 AND NOKIA N73 AND NOKIA N73 TAKES MUCH BETTER PICTURES. YOU WHO HAS USED EVERYTHING SHOULD PROVE YOUR CLAIMS. WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR YOU TO SAY THINGS OTHER PEOPLE APART FROM YOU EXPERIENCE.


You said you can never use a tft in 2012 and I said that I prefer the screen on 701 to that on N8. Then you came up with your false pics and I went ahead to give you several reviews and videos But as usual you throw them away in your delusion want me to believe false pics which only you have seen.
The problem with you is that you think the screen of a phone depends on only whether its AMOLED or not. THATS JUST AS STVPID AS SAYING A VW BEETLE IS A BETTER CAR THAN A PORSCHE COS IT HAS BETTER FUEL ECONOMY.
You don't take one aspect of a technology and base senseless claims on it.

AGAIN WHY NOT START BY TELLING ME WHY HTC ONE X HAS A BETTER SCREEN THAN THE SUPERAMOLED GALAXY SIII OR WHY A TFT PHONE- THE LUMIA 920 CURRENTLY HAS THE BEST SCREEN ON A MOBILE. Again pathetic reasoning? Keep up with your AMOLED delusion, people have moved on.


Again you come with a long and senseless explanation. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE 120MB THAT COMES WITH N8 IS FAR FROM ENOUGH FOR JUST HAS TO BE ON C: ITS SENSELESS IF I HAVE TO VOID MY WARRANTY AND INSTALL A CFW WITH A LOT OF BUGS AND ALSO WITH THE RISK OF BRICKING MY PHONE JUST TO GET EXTRA 45MB . I would rather go with something that has 400MB and be sure I would never run out on C: or need to do anything stvpid.


JUST LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE, YOU'RE THE TYPE OF PERSON THAT BELIEVES WHAT YOU HAVE IS THE BEST AT EVERYTHING ONLY TO CHANGE SO QUICKLY WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING BETTER. Just like I've been frank with you, nothing stops me from saying I've owned E7, N8, C7, 700, 701, 603, 808, bla bla bla and when I'm asked to prove the simplest of my claims I go over the whole line of lies again. Can't you even see that its obvious you're either ignorant of lying. Its obvious from this thread that as far as understanding smartphones outside N8 is, you're lacking.


Hahahaha I couldn't stop laughing when I saw your 'stable' rant. Even java phones are stable. My old N73 and N86 were stable. HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED WHY GS2 WAS SAID TO BE STABLE ONLY FOR THESAME PEOPLE TO START SAYING ITS LAGGY WHEN GS3 CAME OUT?
I used to believe that trash until the fp1 update that increased increased the processor speed from 1GHz to 1.3GHz came out and I couldn't believe how the speed of the phone dramatically increased with just 300MHZ. Now compare that to doubling the ram and processor speed.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY STABLE, BUT IF IT MEANS DOUBLE TIME FOR LOADING APPS OR DOING ABOUT ANYTHING ON THE PHONE (like I've rightly pointed out before) THAN ON 701 (which is fast but not up to par with the current trend), THEN ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT I CONSIDER STABLE AND I CAN'T USE THAT IN 2012.


You must have been to busy reading tutorials to think that the whole belle fp1 firmware is just 160MB. In my nature of providing proof, let me give you some. Belle fp2 leaked yesterday and its over 450MB ( http://forum.dailymobile.net/index.php?topic=80225.15 ). Now add that to phoenix which is over 450MB. If I add Nokia suite, Navifirm and phoenix to it, it would well exceed 800MB- Again proof. However, I don't expect it to exceed 40MB MAX through an OTA update. Now thats just the OFW. If I add the CFW, it should exceed 1GB Why not do thesame for your OFW (Which is senseless not to have before flashing) and CFW.

Just like you rightly pointed out "you do love going
beyond the basics and making something out of
nothing". I on the other hand like knowing the benefits of what I'm about to do before starting out.
I WON'T USE A CFW JUST BECAUSE ITS POPULAR. I want to know what it offers.
Now to the stupid advantages you listed:
- Your widgets are semi-transparent?? WOW! YOU JUST WON AN AWARD FOR BEING SO NAIVE. I do not just have semi-transparent widgets, I use upto 5 different widget packs at once (like bluetooth transparent and radio black). Whats more, all I need do is copy, paste and restart not a stupid flashing process

Music player with lyrics- tell me the version of your music player that does that and I would tell you where it was got from and why I would be stvpid to use it. Also tell me how you get the lyrics to show and I would tell you there are much better and automated options available.

Browser cache to E: That was available as a tweak before you saw it on a CFW

"Bluetooth folder
, record length, edit ur sysAp program like adding a
RESTART Prompt to the power key selection
, startup Animation/Tone as well
as Shutdown Animation & Tones, acceleration settings to
improve the phone UI or Battery performance, radio or Screensaver in landscape"
Is that all?? Is that all??

I WAS EXPECTING BETTER TWEAKS LIKE THOSE I USE. BTW ALL THOSE WERE AVAILABLE AS PATCHES BEFORE YOU EVER SAW THEM ON A CFW. BETTER STILL, I DON'T NEED A FLASH TO USE THEM- JUST A RESTART. You should check daily mobiles for much better stuff.
What you fail to realise is that hackers make these patches or tweaks and release them to the public before firmware moders take them and use in making their firmware. So if I'm hungry for patches, I know where to belong.

"There are 258 different commands in the 'BE9
folder and this has been set by default from Z, how many of this can u modify How many scriptinit hav u personalized?"- ALL I can say is senseless, stvpid and foolish. So this is how you reason? Again how pathetic!

P.S When you reply, tell me what CFW you use so I can equally attach the associated bugs.

This is a screen shot. You're lucky I didn't restart my phone as I didn't think it was worth it. I would have shown u different mixes AGAIN WITHOUT FLASHING.

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4llerbuntu: Do you see HTC or samsung making a WP phone that has the hardware quality of these Nokia products immediately?

They cannot/will not be allowed to get to the market before Nokia.

Given a choice of buying a WP phone, which would you buy? a Lumia or other manufacturers? it will take a major miracle for any oother manufacturer to produce a product that actually matches these Lumias AND MARKET THEM. the marketing effort sef na big hurdle.


note that the other manufacturers do not have the advantage of being Microsoft's baby. the entry point and costs for them are high.
In this game as shown for WP7 fones, Microsoft is willing to bankroll Nokia and write off large losses, absorb their financial issues.

Nokia also does not pay license fees to Microsoft, the other manufacturers will have to for WP8. they got waivers for WP7 tho, yet market was bad. Nokia moved 7 Million units, i dont think the other manufacturers moved 5 million combined!

Building and marketing a phone is not beans, its a high risk investment. when you are not sure of even breaking even, its better not to go into it.


Bottomline is, it may be too expensive/risky to compete with Nokia on WP8 at the start. if and when it gains market share, then maybe pple will think about going into it.

I don't know why you're hellbent on convincing yourself this phone won't succeed.
From current indications, I think it would be a wonderful takeoff for WP8. Its evident that all the pains Nokia put into early lumias may payoff.

Samsung announced a wp8 phone before
Nokia. The phone has impressive specs and can
just be considered as the windows version of
SIII.

Let me also point out that other WP8 OEMs (apart from Samsung) do not have a better chance of succeeding on android than Samsung. Nokia owns WP just as they did own Symbian and Samsung owning android. Infact I haven't seen any OS accommodating more than one successfull OEM. So as far as WP8 is concerned, others would just have to stick around.


Now, the ONLY reason why WP8 is getting so much press coverage is because of Nokia. Infact lumia is a more popular search term than wp8.
Where were the other OEMs when Nokia decided to stop all other OSes put the future of their whole company on WP? They were not willing to do that instead they were willing to hang around and see if wp8 would be successful. What if WP failed? Nokia would have failed to. Nobody was willing to take that risk. Nokia deserves all those concessions and even more.


Also Microsoft were in a very tight corner. All they could do was watch and see the success of rivals Apple and Google in the phone industry. Nokia gave them the chance to succeed.

(I hope you know that MS is not begging other OEMs to make their phones. All they need is one dedicated partner. Infact Samsung (and I think others) have to say MS for each android device made).

Lastly, MS does not pay Nokia to use their patents. Google bought moto for over $10B mainly cos of patents. That gives you an idea of the worth of these patents. Now Nokia gives them the access to almost 50% of mobile patents for free.
Its fair to say that they both need each other to succeed.


Another reason why Nokia would beat other WP OEMs is simply because they have been able to DIFFERENTIATE their products. Nokia did it with symbian, were ready to do it with android but Google wouldn't let them.
Samsung did it with the galaxy series by copying apple for the first galaxy. Nokia does it by being original.
Nowadays its very easy to put the latest processor, a large screen and good resolution with a candy bar frame and call it a flagship.
920 shows dat people are getting tired of that boring trend. They want new stuff like
- Great and bold design
- Vibrant colours
- PureView camera
- Curved screen
- Synaptics advanced touchscreen (works
with car keys, fingernails, and gloves)
- A superb screen- Puremotion HD+ and CBD
- High volume mono recording using 3 speakers*
- A whole lot of quality Nokia exclusive apps like city lens, Nokia maps, transport, drive, music e.t.c

All these on just one device.
These are ways Nokia has used to differentiate its flagship this year.
Now compare this to other flagships this year and you would see its just a boring chase.

Most other OEMs are lacking whether its on android or windows cant give this.
I've got a feeling that if the current trend continues (thats if other OEMs don't copy), Google may regret not licensing Nokia. Remember the smartphone world is very volatile.

leslieu63: Gudday everyone pls I need help,my e7 stoped booting so I flahed it by holding d three buttons power key,volume down,key and camera key for a few secs and it worked.
the problem now is I can no longer find nokia store, socially app, and maps pls how do I get them back I really need those apps tanks.

For Nokia store- http://www.n8fanclub.com/2012/05/how-to-fix-nokia-store-client-on-nokia.html?m=1

Socially- download it from Nokia store or online.

Maps- I think its also in Nokia store but this is the link- http://www.n8fanclub.com/2011/11/nokia-maps-308139-symbian-belle-nokia.html?m=1

Better still, for the links to all missing system apps after a hard reset. Go to this link and check under 'backup downloads' just before 'faqs'- http://www.n8fanclub.com/2011/08/how-to-flash-symbian-belle-update-on.html?m=1

timpaker: can anyone help me with this?

Was there any app or patch you installed around the time the problem started? Some apps and alot of patches are capable of doing that. If you find any app you think is responsible then try deleting it. You can also 'return to factory settings' in the settings ment.
If the problem still persists, then you should do a soft-reset by pressing *#7380# and press the call button. You should first back-up your data (sms, contacts, calendar, call log) as this should return the phone to an out-of-the-box look and delete all stored data without affecting any app.
This should most likely solve the problem.

Lastly, if it still continues then your last option would be a hard reset with the 3-button stuff. This would delete everything on the phone memory including apps like store e.t.c and its better accompanied with a full reset of the mass memory and memory card.

why are these peeps deleting my posts

4llerbuntu: ol boy mba o. if i were you i wont pray for any carrier nonsense here o.

its only the initial price thats attractive o, if u hear the terms of the 2 yr contract and how much you have to pay cumulatively in the long run ehn! at times its more than double the retail non contract price!

even worse to cancel those contracts na die. inevitably you are stuck with using the same fone for two years.
plus you have to pay for insurance on the fone join


imagine signing one, and having the fone stolen the next week? mba o, all that glitters......

Well thats true cos nothing really comes free.
If it was in 9ja everybody would be using flagships and disappearing after 2 months except if the terms of the contract are really strict. Even at that, people would still find a way to circumvent it