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Someone showed me this story on Ghanaweb.com yesterday.

http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/soccer/artikel.php?ID=166411

Deaf Men Hearing: Sports official arrested
. . .actual deaf and dumb team were left behind in Ghana
An official of the Ministry of Youth and Sports, James Armah, who under the pretext of sending some deaf and dumb persons to a football tournament in Australia, ended up sending men who hear and speak, has been picked up by the police.

Head of the Criminal Investigations Department of the Ghana Police Service, DCOP Frank Adu Poku told Asempa News that the suspect, who is in his late 50’s, connived with the able-bodied persons and took them to Australia, while members of the actual deaf and dumb football team were left behind in Ghana. Subsequently, Deaf Football Australia, hosts and organizers of the tournament has threatened to drag the Association of Sports for the Disabled of Ghana (ASBOD) to the International Sports Confederation for the Disabled (ISCD) for sanctions.

The Australian authorities are unhappy that Ghana would send hearing players for an international game meant for the disabled and are calling for a refund of USD14,789.00 being monies spent in hosting the Ghanaian team, by August 14, 2009. An ASBOD official also told Asempa FM that the 25 hearing persons who went to Australia were not players but people seeking travelling opportunities. It is believed that each of the 25 hearing persons parted with 4,000 dollars to get a place on the trip in July. Meanwhile, DCOP Adu Poku has told Asempa News that the supposed ‘deaf and dumb’ persons who were taken to Australia by Mr. Armah are at large. He said Mr. Armah is therefore assisting the police CID to investigate the matter.

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    I also read somewhere on the site that they were discovered to be lying about being deaf when they got there and an official was trying to speak to them using sign language. One of the 'players' subsequently wrote down on a piece of paper that they don't speak the english version of sign language! 

spikedcylinder:
Not even one o. Either my eyes look like a frog's or my mouth looks like a monkey's butt.
I'd hate to believe I look anywhere as crude as my pictures portray.

ROTFLOL aww poor you. I think the wrong person has been taking your pictures, I have some photography skills, I will do you justice should the opportunity ever present itself

spikedcylinder:
No, not me. I look horrible in photos.
I don't have ONE photo that is a true representation of what I look like.

lol, how could that be. Not even one?

@Topic,
      Nobody, I repeat nobody looks good in every picture they take. The paparazzi has proven it time after time with some hideous celebrity pics. I would say just be natural. I have this friend who puts on her "sexy pose" before every picture, it is hilarious and the pictures come out looking like she's about to pass gas or has something stuck in her eyes and mouth   but she still insists on doing it everytime

Nope. I like a good number of the atheists here on NL.
However some are notoriously of guilty of what tpia said [quote author=tpia. link=topic=301846.msg4310235#msg4310235 date=1249574512]these same atheists who make a habit of gatecrashing Christian threads and raining insults and abuse on anything Christian, are now claiming they're the ones being persecuted?

wonders will never cease.[/quote]

In the spirit of the initial topic, C4C is getting mixed reviews from dealers

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2009/08/06/tx.clunker.purchase.recall.kvue

[quote author=tonye-t link=topic=305837.msg4308069#msg4308069 date=1249551301]daddy Adeboye is one man i have great respect for, but come to think of it

what is the use of conducting such a test without guarantee for miracle but counselling

dont know sha![/quote]What? since when can a man guarantee miracles? it is this kind of magical gospel that is leading many astray.

[quote author=Black_Revo link=topic=305837.msg4306012#msg4306012 date=1249505723]I was not a teacher there but just a casual worker then in the school. Nigeria teachers especially will get their reward in heaven but some of them have disagreed and started making all efforts to get their reward here on earth. Example some are selling marks and involving in examination malpractices and you will be surprised that many teachers who are Christians indulge in all these things.

But if the church could help these teachers by giving them help in setting up a private business side by side with their teaching profession then i don't think they will indulge in all these things. i know on of my usher brother who does ushering on Sunday and during the week he his doing his visa runs.[/quote]That's just too bad. If people don't have any means/alternative of feeding themselves/family, they will usually resort to illegal methods. We see that not only in Nigeria but everywhere.

Thats why there are so many denominations and one man churches everywhere. People now see it as a business venture which it is not suppose to be. My sista if you are opportuned to know how these finances work you will be tempted to set up your own church. So many churches just want to get members and not converts. Preaching prosperity instead of salvation,anyway people want to hear about prosperity and miracles in Nigeria.

My brother its not only Naija oh, in my city at least 1 new church opens every month, I kid you not. Well no be today sha, the gospel has been used as a money-making scheme since the times of Paul so it is nuthin new. Let us just pray that the true church of Christ all around the world stays strong and continues to glorify God.

naliakar:
Finally they latch onto something! What will Tayo-D say now?
Who is fooling who. I wonder.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/03/kenyan-birth-certificate_n_249850.html

Look at this yeye Cambridge boy
Who the hell cares about whether or not he was born in Hawaii or on the moon? He still survived a brutal election against the Clintons if he wasn't a citizen he should be awared the status just becos of that.

ThiefOfHearts:
sounds like JK, JesSoul

hehe

morpheus24:
Wasn't this a topic for CLunkers??

Yes it was. Apologies to Negro for going off-topic _{though I suspect he doesn't mind much} 

davidylan:
and how do you propose to "fix" it? Please provide us concrete ways of "fixing" it. why did none of you raise the issue of "fixing" it until the fight for single-payer started?

Why is the single payer healthcare system wonderfully successful in France, Canada, Australia but a bad thing for the US?

I am not an 'expert' so I will not pretend to be one. I cannot give you "concrete ways of fixing it", I have proferred few lose ideas in the last posts, and I can smell a bad idea when I see one and this so-called reform stinks. Perhaps its an issue of ideology, but I just don't fancy the idea of this useless, incompetent govt controlling my healthcare.

  I rebelled against the current system by opting not to have health insurance for a while. I decided instead to keep the money I would've paid for premiums into a seperate account I could use. I figured it was miles better than paying thousands in dental and footing 50% of a $100 bill once a year.

  2 yrs ago I had a bad cut on my eye, was so bad I boarded up my house cos the slightest of light was probably worse than waterboarding. Thankfully it didn't require surgery, and the costs were something I could pay out of pocket - it was definitely cheaper than if I'd been paying premiums the entire yr. Now you are right, if I had cancer I would've been in big trouble, I am not disputing that fact at all. The movie John Q was an excellent portrayal of the incredible shortcomings of the american healthcare system.

davidylan:
have you and every other person criticizing the bill read it yourselves? Then on what basis are you criticizing it?

Typical nigerian, answering a question with a question  Okay so you haven't read it right? I have read parts of it, it takes real effort to understand the law speak.

Because from Glenn Beck to John Boehner, you're all repeating the same discredited arguments. Beck on his radio show was the one talking about others coming to America for healthcare that ordinary US citizens cannot afford. What a disgraceful point.

And you sound just like Rahm Emmanuel and Nancy Pelosi. Don't you think points will sound similar all across the board? 

This makes no sense either. Government tried to cap salaries and bonuses paid to employees of private companies on bailouts and you all cried socialism. Abeg make we hear word.

Who cried socialism? please show me where I said so on NL. I happened to agree with the capping of outrageous salaries. You shouldn't be so quick to stereotype.

You're not a healthcare genius, you cant give us specifics on how YOUR OWN alternatives to single-payer healthcare (that is hugely successful in other first world nations) works but yet you oppose a government plan? Very funny.

No I am not, and neither are you. The best we can do is analyse the information available to us. Hugely successful - really?

Bad idea . . . what then do you define as a "critical situation"? What of diabetes, heart problems, mental health, emergency surgery, kidney failure? Are they not as "critical" as cancer?

All the above can fall under the critical banner.

Doctors right now earn more money with a fee-for-service plan than a salaried position that is why they will fight against this bill.

So you believe whenever you go in to see a doctor he's doing whatever he/she can to get as much money as possible out of you? Really? you must've had some nasty doctor experiences.

This is absurd . . . what's the diff between one government plan to the other? So we shld cancel medicare too and move the elderly unto the new reform?

Really? If its not different then why the resistance to merge it all into 1 big program for the entire country? I think you're being naive if you think the same doctors/healthcare available to Obama's daughters and Kennedy is available to insignificant like us.

davidylan:
Just some real life examples to spice up your day . . .

I just read your comment and feel I need to respond. My Granddaughter who has brain cancer that is in-operable and must be monitored every other month. The MRI's are $5,000.00 per time. Her insurance company will only pay for three per year. Do the math. Onthis expense alone she has to pay $15,000.00 out-of-pocket. The medications her Doctor said she must take that insurance will not pay for, are $800.00 per month. She must also pay her deductables. Unless you or someone you know has faced a serious health problem, you can't imagine the cost !

You know, i really cant wait for this private health insurance . . . your sure one-way ticket to financial security!

See this one . Again, Tayo and I have already stressed several times the current system needs fixing . . . I guess you haven't seen that abi?

davidylan:
But they are facts you couldnt refute no be so?   Perhaps democrat talking points actually make sense as compared to republican talking points that are geared more to destroying the president than setting policy for Americans.

The same democrats who scorned at the idea of people suggesting they actually read the bill they're proposing. Have you read the bill David? beyond just knowing about the public option being added have you read the other aspects of the 1000 page bill?

Perhaps i can give 2 reasons why we ignored this:
1. It was sandwiched among several other preposterous Frank Luntz talking points and

2. How is this going to work? When government tried to "regulate/oversee/monitor" wall street werent you all up in arms against "socialism"? Werent you the ones crying about government "takeover" of the auto industry for daring to "gasp" . . . regulate them and prevent them from total collapse? What happened when government tried to regulate bonuses paid to AIG and renumerations paid to CEOs of banks that took government bailouts? Ah yeah right you wouldnt let us rest from cries of "socialism".

Frank who? why do you think anyone with an opponsing view got it from talk radio, Glenn beck or any other republican figure? You yourself haven't said anything here.
 So because somewhere in your mind you erroneously fabricated some story about what I did or did not say about another entire issue you chose not to see where I said I support changing the current system? this does not make any sense. I would kindly like you to show me where I discussed any of those issues on NL, thank you.

How do you expect government to regulate a private enterprise geared towards making a profit for shareholders? Pls dont just bring up moot points, give us realistic ways they can work . . . will government go cap premiums?

Exactly, now you're asking the right question. I am not a healthcare genuis so I cannot give you specifics but I know it can be worked out. Govt works hand in hand with the private sector all the time in regulation and other aspects. This is not a new idea. Outrageous premiums can be checked and addressed so the insurance giants stop screwing the population over.

You're one of the lucky few . . . others who developed serious health problems during that period like cancer would have had to file bankruptcy. I doubt they'll be here supporting private insurers.

You're right and another plausible suggestion I heard from a democrat was to say what if we required/mandated health insurance for only critical situations like an accident or cancer or any other critical disease. I happen to think that's not a bad idea.

 Massachusetts is right now drowning under the weight of the mandatory healthcare they passed into law few years ago. It was supposed to provide healthcare for all - what they forgot to mention was that it would bankrupt us and lead to countless of state employees losing their jobs.

Before rushing to say "oh but the AMA is against the bill too" try and understand why they are against it. If i were a doctor i'd be firmly against this bill too because it will end the fee-for-service form of renumeration that doctors get. They'd be forced under a single-payer system to go back to getting salaries. It is way more lucrative to bill a patient, NOT for service rendered but for the number of unnecessary tests i can order which of course benefits the drug companies and insurance guys.

. . . so doctors are against it because they will get less money? And they are taking out childrens tonsils too for extra profit? right. If we cannot trust our doctors then who are we to trust? Congress?

Again i repeat - HE DID NOT.

Yes he did. The video and tapes of him advocating a single payer system from years ago are available for all to see & hear. If its a matter of he has 'changed his mind' it is not a crime, let them at least be honest about it.

Because they are already on government healthcare!He and his daughters are already on government healthcare!

Stop spinning jor.
Whether it is govt or private, why will they not cancel their own system too and join the rest of the population in this reform? why? Is there anything better and more convincing than leading by example?

lol this must be a joke. Doctors shld debate the bill? Of course i'm sure all the doctors have is the best interest of the patient and not their own financial gain. Are doctors the ones who have to move their industries to China because employer health benefits is destroying whatever profits they can make? Are doctors the ones who have to go bankrupt because a child has leukemia?

So who in the world has our best interest at heart? Barney Frank? John Conyers?? again if we don't trust our doctors opinions then we should not trust them to treat us at all. Call me naive if you want, but I will take their opinion over the losers on capitol hill who have failed at practically everything they try to fix.

ah ah I was gone only a few hours and you people have populated the board with so much - yes regurgitated democratic talking points 

  David and Ibime, if you both are not selectively taking points from my posts you would have seen where I said "I favor the govt 'regulating/overseeing/monitoring and hereby changing the current system of insurance companies ripping us off". But of course you're both not willing to see that are you?  Infact the very reason I was uninsured for a number of yrs was becos I felt like I was giving my money away only to be subject to useless "co-pays" the 1 or 2 times I needed a checkup or something.

  Infact we can all sit here and debate from now will the rapture, there are 'experts' on both sides of the debate including yes the AMA who came out against the bill - shey they too are taking their talking points from talk radio abi? Obama used his own 32 to say he wants single payer and you're talking about the clip is manipulated?  well whatever floats your boat.

Simple question: If this reform is so good why will Congress and their families not be enrolled in it? Somebody please tell me WHY? If Obama came out tomorrow and announced his very own daughters will be using the program I will give him my 100% support, that will be an action that will speak louder than anything else.

Tayo posted the quote of the honorable senator who insinuated it was ludicrous for us to expect him to actually read the bill . . . they don't even know what's in the bill they're trying to pass into law. I would rather see doctors of repute debate the bill on national tv instead of the losers in congress and forum self-annointed 'experts' like yourself _{and me.}

[quote author=Black_Revo link=topic=305837.msg4305635#msg4305635 date=1249502496]I am not so much against them if they build schools that are well equipped and affordable by every member. I have worked in their primary school and it way dam too expensive and just check out all the expensive church universities in Nigeria.[/quote]A teeecher!  one of the most noble of professions. They say a teachers reward is in heaven, may yours be on earth too.

There are so many things to do with the money that will encourage the needy members and convince unbelievers to come to God.

Yeah I hear so much about how these universities are so expensive regular folks cannot attend them. Defeats the purpose unless their purpose is making money. You're right in that the way to win people over is to serve them and care and provide for them whenever possible and too much of the pentecostal movement in Naija does not do that, instead all we see are the leadership amassing great wealth.

[quote author=JIL@ link=topic=305953.msg4305459#msg4305459 date=1249500627]I received an email today stating that the thread More Reasons Why Allah Cannot Be The God Moses And Co Spoke About had been moved. I searched thoughout the religion section and discovered that it has mysteriously disappeared. So why was the thread deleted without giving posters the privilege of knowing why. I have also been banned for no justifiable reason.

Is Nairaland becoming overwhelmingly biased and sympathetic towards Islam? Why do we have a sub-section for Islam alone and not for any other religion? Several requests for other faiths to be given sub-sections have been arrogantly ignored. Does it mean that Islam is superior to other faiths? Why are threads stating unpalatable but historical facts about Islam removed from the site without trace and no explanation is given?

I think Nairaland should be aptly renamed[b] Islamic Nairaland[/b]. I have a word or two for whoever is cowardly responsible for these discriminatory acts. You cannot continue to be biased and think you can thrive. Nairaland does not put food on my table and so its not indispensable. If these and other bigoted acts does not stop immediately, I will take my valuable time and views elsewhere and I won't lose sleep over it. I think I speak on behalf of a sizeable number of members.[/quote]ROTFLOL . . . na today. Us regulars have gotten used to it, this thread self will soon be deleted. You sure the topic wasn't moved to the islamic section?

[quote author=Black_Revo link=topic=305837.msg4305543#msg4305543 date=1249501565]Yes it is a welcome development and i really want them to do more like in education. I don't fancy the idea of running a university but sponsoring members through their education here in Nigeria or overseas.[/quote]Yup, you're absolutely right. They shouldn't build anything but rather sponsor thru scholarships worthy, promising students.

About the title i just copied it like it was title from the newspaper source so can you suggest a better one so i can change it or re-phrase it thanks for the observation.

Yeah I did notice it was the original title from the website, sorry if it looked like I was taking a shot at you. Completely unintended . The message of the article is clear to all who read it.

Bush leaves Saints practice, returns with limp  http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4378908
See this one, the season has not even started. Moonstone looks like I will be sending you lots of e-chocolate this season

  and is Eli worth $97.5 mill? Me I don't think he is. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4378407

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=305368.msg4305437#msg4305437 date=1249500258]I guess that somehow slips your mind when your folks harass people with your delusions on T.V, mobiles, emails, public transport, public parks, loudspeakers blaring into the atmosphere even go on missionary trips to remote areas to spread your delusions. . . .
like i said
christianity= hypocrisy. Just like you keep demonstrating.[/quote]Okay I have heard you, I am a hypocrit, christians are all hypocrits while you are perfect and immaculate and without sin or blemish. All of us christians on NL are responsible for the people on buses, loudspeakers and public places who disturb you with Jesus. We are solemnly sorry for offending you. Thank you.

. . .  wait a second, this thread is about Cash from Suckers for Clunkers not Healthcare
Sorry poster!

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=304656.msg4304565#msg4304565 date=1249491038]@JeSoul,
You know I was offered that kool-aid as well. However, I decided to check the nutrition facts as you have advised. Don't expect same from the Association of Pharaoh Brick Builders on Nairaland (APBBN), chaired by no other than his pre-eminent brick-builder, pres-elect.[/quote]ROTFLOL where pres-elect? come and defend yourself quick quick

I couldn't believe when I heard the audio yesterday from years ago where Obama was complaining about the Patriot Act and how it was rushed into law and people did not have the time to read or debate it and it was shoved down americans throats I was like is this dude serious? this is the exact same thing he's doing with the healthcare bill.

One angry taxpayer said "He took 6 months to pick a dog, but they want to change the entire healthcare system in 3-4 weeks?" - Classic!

morpheus24:
Which is the overwhelming power these big corporations wield over citizenry not only within but outside of the US  and how it is essential to create equality in the face of such greed and individualistic gluttony seeing that these self created "monsters" do not have overwhelming influence over life and death situations.

You are right and I agree with the above. We need to get a handle on the type of greed that led to the downfall of the housing industry. Healthy competition is good but when they connive with themselves against the citizenry in order to line their pockets, it is wrong and should be fought against. Where I disagree is this:

If i have to delegate this authority to the government, then I am willing to do so in this instance ( talking about health care).

To relinquish this kind of authority to the govt is scary. 

Let me use my state the good ol' massachusetts for example. Exhibit A: the Big Dig, the most expensive highway project in US history. Which has come to be the poster child for govt failure in the history of Mass and the US public projects. The 'completed' highway has so many problems from corruption to massive leaks to substandard materials and work which led to the ceiling collapsing and killing a woman in her car - one day after I drove through that same tunnel. Est to cost $6 bill, the costs are now standing somewhere in the neighborhood of $22 billion.

What is my point? the govt cannot run anything effectively, almost everything they try to fix, they ruin or create another problem in the process. They underestimate cost to make people fall for it, then the price tags explodes. If we think Private insurance companies are doing a shoddy job, just wait till the govt takes over and shows us they are capable of attaining previously unimaginable, unattainable lows.

  I am for govt finding a way to monitor or 'regulate' and provide watchful oversight on the insurance companies but not for an outright takeover (which is what it will come down to). Especially when they themselves will not be enrolled in this so-called reform.

davidylan:
Actually we're not, we're just tired of having our threads hijacked by self-righteous people who feel the need to be "concerned" on our behalf about bible "myths" and protest our decision to remain christians with extreme verbal violence.

hehe . . . I have begged several times to be left to my 'delusion' in peace but be like say dem no wan 'gree.

The article is poorly titled, but it is a very good venture and the RCCG deserves some credit for putting this on. People complain religious bodies in Nigeria are not practical enough and don't address the everyday needs and realities people face - well this helps address that.

 [quote author=Black_Revo link=topic=305837.msg4304101#msg4304101 date=1249487214]Working for RAPAC, however, is not without its risk. One of the team leaders, who identified himself as Brother Gbenga told P.M.News: “when one is tired, one could make mistakes. There was a time I almost got myself infected. I once pricked my skin with a needle by mistake.”[/quote]I hope they keep it well organized and safe for both participants and testers. I have pierced myself with a needle once in the lab, thank God it was nuthin dangerous at the time.

I'm about to prophesy - somebody on this page 51 is going to see G.I Joe this weekend    I won't mention any names but you know yourself 

Exactly Spiked. You're an atheist right? or should I say not into religion. But I think this is only the second time I've seen you post in the Religion section.

Load of crap indeed. That's why the rest of the world runs to America for surgeries and other critical healthcare abi? 

I will take private with their obscene costs anyday over public where we'll all be scrambling for reduced, rationed service. You cannot dump 50million extra people into the system and expect it to still work the same way without increasing the number of doctors and other service providers.

and btw are Britian's lawmakers also enrolled in the healthcare system? I am not aware. Can you give me a logical reason why Congress is too special to partake in the public healthcare reform they are trying to shove down our throats?

    I know rape is always a terrible thing but this is just . . .  

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=305368.msg4304128#msg4304128 date=1249487372]For the record let's state that the above is why you post in islamic threads.[/quote]Lol and if I post in a topic that doesn't fit those conditions?   Look you're spinning so much its probably making you dizzy.

The simple point I was making is this:
  I don't post excessively on islamic topics - becos I am not obsessed with their religion.
  Atheists post[b]excessively & all the time [/b] on christian topics because they are obsessed with our religion.

Trying to pass off this unhealthy obsession as a "fight against lies" is comical at best, but you're certainly entitled to hold onto it.

[quote author=pres-elect link=topic=304656.msg4303795#msg4303795 date=1249485045]last time i checked, obama made it clear that if u like your healthcare, keep it . . . . . . some people dont like theirs and the govt is there to help them.[/quote]I see you have been drinking the kool-aid without checking the nutrition facts. Even the democrats agree that it will be damn near impossible for the privates to survive and people would forced to switch to a govt plan. Old tapes that the right has conveniently dug up for the rest of us show Obama's intent has always been the govt takeover. No new spin is going to erase what he promised to do years ago.

I'm all for reform & have previously been in the uninsured boat as it was too expensive for me. We should make a way for those (citizens & legals only, america doesn't owe anything to illegals) who want it but can't afford it. But this so-called bill even the AMA came out and criticized.

[size=13pt]The biggest insult to me of this entire healthcare reform crap is that members of Congress & their families will NOT be enrolled in it, they will have their own private healthcare seperate from the rest of us insignificants. [/size] I consider this the red-est of flags in this entire situation. If this reform is the best thing since sliced bread why aren't they themselves going to be enrolled in it? what makes their children any more important than ordinary americans?


[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=304656.msg4303529#msg4303529 date=1249482552]@JeSoul,
I thot this was a done deal already. Isn't it pathetic to see our brothers carrying bricks for Pharaoh?  [/quote]hehe bricks  

No mind dem pretenders jare. Seriously, America cannot be regarded as a free society anymore. The change has been gradual but it appears Obama just put it on steroids. It seems my good ol' Naija is a freer society than the supposedly God's own country.  Someone made the following statement which I can only paraphrase: "Govt handouts may appear free, but they come with a hefty price tag".

Gbam. I can only laugh at anybody who still thinks anything the govt gives is "free".

Are any of the moderate, gentle muslims we have here on NL going to condemn these killings? Any??

noetic2:
Atheism is guilty of everything u accuse religion of.

Gbam, gbam and GBAM!

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=305368.msg4303680#msg4303680 date=1249484041]So now MS. Jesoul is the sole authority that can determine which topic is hot or not, right?[/quote]Yes    and you must submit to my authority or else.

Don't try to spin it Tudor. I said I only comment on a "hot topic" - which is usually a news story or a thread that has a lot of activity. Others have the right to comment on whatever they want. And when anyone finds themselves commenting over and over on the same issue - they are obsessed. Simple.

We do not bring down christianity, you christians do it all on your own!
We see christians of different denominations bashing and speaking against one another. . .i'm pretty sure i've seen you in catholic threads speaking against the doctrines of the RCC, so tell me are you obsessed with catholisism?
Going by your argument are you not supposed to not care?

Why do you care about disagreements btw christians? it is of no consequence to you isn't it? Leave us to sort ourselves out. Anyways the topic is not christians fighting each other, but atheists obsessed with christianity - and it is true.