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Ibime:
I think you hit the nail on the head hombre. . . . if I wanna be naked in my house all day, picking boogers out my nose and standing on my head, whilst telling the police to shove it, I doubt I should be arrested for disorderly conduct.

Is this scenario a purely hypothetical one or fondly reminisced one?

ThiefOfHearts:
so I take it I should be expecting concise Orphan reviews by Monday afternoon?

lol . . . it looks unlikely I'll be able to get to it this weekend. More likely next week. JK did say he was going to see it.

ThiefOfHearts:
we should discuss this sometime

We should and we will. Its just that the religion section is sucha mess its hard to open and control relevant topics.

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=173006.msg4277925#msg4277925 date=1249048670]Opinion paraded as fact is right. There was a segement where Judas was being touted as something other than the greedy, lying,back-stabbing ass he was. That the kiss was one of affection or something; He had no idea they were going to kill Christ, he didn't mean for it to go that far,ect. Right. What did he think they were going to do; give him a parking ticket? They sit in their offices, assume a professorial air, and say what was going on in Judas's mind two thousand years ago. Evidence? None. I found the history of the church far more intesting; the power struggles between Mary Madgalene and Peter after the death of their master.[/quote]lol, I've heard those too . . . I think those 'scholars' should be given awards for some of the conspiracy theories they drum up. Many times I just sit and laugh at how the make these assertions and declare them to be fact - without an ounce of proof or evidence. The bible already told us they are stuck "in the futility in their thinking".

I'm reading accounts, right now, of the witch-burning trials conducted by the Inquisition. You will weep. The history of Roman Catholic Church shows it to be the very embodiment of evil and utter darkness in times past, of the worst aspects of human nature wielding manufactured 'divine' authority. I'll never get how adherents aren't embarrassed to be associated with it, but that's childhood religious conditioning for you.

Heavy stuff sister. The very dark history of the catholic church is a matter of public record, history does not lie. I don't think most followers know of its history.

No to Emily Rose. No means No!

Perhaps I can convince you, a Roman Catholic priest is the main 'star' in the movie  

GEW,
   hold your horses now & don't worry we will revert back to movie speak, this isn't the religion section afterall. Max oya back to the regularly scheduled topic before we start katakata  

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=262653.msg4274978#msg4274978 date=1248992669]Oh no. I haven't seen a movie in ages. I'm not up to date. Last thing I saw was Craig's Casino Royale days ago. The only movies I'm going to see in the coming weeks are Harry Potter, Inglorious Basterds and Avatar.[/quote]So was it the movie you saw or was it Craig?  tell the truth and let the devil be ashamed . . .

JK,
have you seen "Up"?

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=173006.msg4277758#msg4277758 date=1249046351]I'm not watching that creepfest.[/quote]Oh common gurl, don't be sucha wuss   

Archeology? I saw a documentary where archeologists and other experts not only reconstructed village life when Christ lived, they recreated the likely scenarios of his birth and the games he likely played with other kids growing up. I finally understood what the famous manger might actually be, since there were no inns in existence in those times,and travellers depended exclusively on people's hospitality. They even showed how traders selling grain would cheat the scales and rip off the dumb. The political tensionss, religious and cultural norms,etc. Recently watched the discovery, long ago, of one of the most elusive objects in the field; the tomb of an Egyptian child-pharaoh. Found by an Englishman obssessed from his youth with finding it, though the search had been on for centuries with no luck. He stumbled upon it accidentally, while digging for something else. Imagine how he must have felt. They tomb was crammed full of vast treasures in gold, lapis lazuli, ornaments in precious stones, including chariots, all for the king's comfort in his afterlife. Fascinating.

You're so speaking my language. I live on the history/discovery channel - right after espn, travel and foodnetwork . There have been all kinds of documentaries on the Life of Jesus and the times, really really fascinating stuff - sometimes misguided opinions paraded as facts - but nevertheless fascinating  .

I follow archeology, though not as keenly or madly as I follow say,quantum mechanics or cosmology. Any luck finding that 'lost' continent yet?

Nah no luck just yet, but I will keep you posted 

duduspace:
Yes I know Jesoul and the feelin is mutual but you do have an unusual way of showin it, just when I expected yu to welcome me back to the forum with open arms like the prodigal son and ask where my wanderings have led me to, you go all Hezbollah on me.

I know, I know and I'm sorry    Let me put it this way. You would find it hard to constantly be jolly friends with a white man who openly, proudly and constantly declares his utter hate and contempt for black people wouldn't you? Now juxtapose that analogy onto this situation. I personally like a few atheists here on NL but again, surely you must see the problem.

Yep the same way I understand those misguided souls killing people in the North and almost killed me in Kaduna in 2002 and before you go all Hezbollah on me again my point is that while you might not descend to killing people, the influences that motivate your actions are basically the same.

wow eya I understand your antagonism towards religion better and honestly you're justified in doing so.

But my dear dudu the influences that motivate me are soooo light years away and universes different from what motivates religious fanatics. I am motivated not just because I love God, but because I love my fellow men & women and want the best for them.

I believe the world will end someday and those who haven't believed in Jesus will be cast away forever - I care enough to warn and tell as many people as I am able to so that they believe and are saved too. You have no idea how much my heart hurts for my unbelieving friends, and how I pray and wish their eyes would be opened and their hearts be enlightened to the truth. And as much as I care, God cares a billion times more - and this is my motivation.

Mark my words, Odom will revert to his typical lazy, thuggish, underacheiving self. Most players go into stink-mode once they sign that contract and then return to top form in the final yr of the contract.

Bawo,
   The football season hasn't started yet and your boys are already fighting?  I could not stop laughing yesterday when I heard Urlacher called Jay Cutler "a pussycat without the cat"     ROTFLOL  I almost died of laughter I cannot wait to see how this turns out this season.

[quote author=m_nwankwo link=topic=292868.msg4277652#msg4277652 date=1249044688]I think that is fair to say that you have not yet found evidence that prayer works but it is unfair to say that prayer does not work at all. To say that prayer does not work at all implies that you have objectively looked at all the evidence.  I just hope that you keep searching for the evidence or lack of it. [/quote]Worthy of being quoted.

Btw, you people are talking smack about iice's husband

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=173006.msg4275094#msg4275094 date=1248994343]Have you been led to this one yet, JS? Na so-so horror film ya own curiosity dey carry you dey go look. Seriously though, what's the attraction? And don't say its the 'story' o, since there's mostly none to speak of. I think the last horror movie I saw was The Ring, but the kid in it irritated me too much for any real scares. How can you endure it?[/quote]lol . . . seriously, I'm not even sure  I am curious about a lot of things & I love to think - from archeology, to golf, to music, to science. I enjoy fiction (scary or otherwise) a lot cos it enables my mind to run wild and loose and imagine and get some bit of an insight into how other peoples minds work. I loved X-Files so much cos it unleashed my imagination with almost every episode - it was strange, different, unusual, complex, supernatural etc. To put it short - I am a think-freak  if its going to entertain/challenge my brain, count me in!

Got the Emily Rose thing on DVD, but the atmosphere in the movie was so terrible I got the blue blazes out of there.

lol, well let us know if & when you get around to watching it. Watch it with someone, in the afternoon, with all the doors locked 

Bobby,
I think most threads on islam posted here get moved to the islamic section - especially the 'hotly debated' ones.

Chrisbenogor:
Hopefully you will not loose your self in the violence, lol, when I said you cannot sell your personal experience to us I meant it in way of saying you cannot fully explain it in such a way that we will feel what you felt. There is a lot of bad blood and violence these days ( look at the north ) I was just hoping to have fun. No hard feelings gurl.

And none here either. And don't be so shocked the next time you see me with a whip aight? Don't let the calm facade fool you sweetie, I gets fierce too.

toneyb:
How do you know this? Are you claiming to speak for all christians? This is your own opinion and interpretation of what the bible is supposed to say.

In this instance yes. I will be so bold as to declare I do speak for all bible-believing christians on that statement. You're not a christian so I hold you wouldn't know much about what was the right or wrong interpretation/application of a biblical principle.

Have your forgotten the contest that took place between prophet elijah and the prophets of baal according to the bible? Why was the test organised? Was it not to prove to the "infidel" baal worshippers that yahweh is greater and more powerful than their god? The bible talks only about faith. Jesus in the bible says that if you believe in him you will be able to perform magic, belief is the ONLY requirement and the bible doesn't say all the things you guys are telling yourself so that you will be able to sleep at night after praying and realizing that your prayers are nothing but you guys wishing and talking to yourselfs.

Yet again, I reiterate, Elijah was the one praying to God for a sign - not the prophets of Baal. God answered Elijah, the prophets of Baal were never calling on God but on their own gods.

@ Everything else you and Bindex said,
Your unfortunate opinions of the scripture and you're certainly entitled to them. Cheers.

Adrenaline:
I couldnt agree with you more bros. Whatever the case, the police officer was just doing his job! what if it was a real burglar and he didnt do anything, theyd say it's cos the house belongs to a black man. Obama no try at all o, haba i was quite surprised when i heard he used that word

Gbam, gbam and gbam!!!

Lol, Jesoul gets a lil tough and it hits hard. Well, at least the thread is here for all to see, read and determine on their own. Jesus sometimes approached with gentleness, other times He approached with a whip. I simply felt it an occasion for the latter.

duduspace:
Second you Chris, I think I'm the one who is actually obeying Jesus' instruction of being meek and mild. 1 Cor 2: 13-15 might actually apply more to Jesoul than she realises. Can't really understand how Gideon came to be a christian, would like to hear his conversion story.

You must have missed the scripture verse that says "The Kingdom of God suffers violence and the[b] violent [/b] take it by force" Humble n meek does not equal helpless and weak. People forget its the same loving Jesus that unleashed fury in the temple.

Chris,
  becos I like you & yes dudu too, I'm sorry I could not carry on in this thread with the usual geniality you're both used to from me. You must understand as precious and dear as God is to me, I cannot always approach with levity in these matters. Especially when the other side has been known to berate and ridicule Him and therefore me.

duduspace:
In what way are they different from Gideon? isn't Gideon asking for proof some sort of study in his own way?

duduspace:
Why would God need to prove himself to those who already believe in him? isn't that some sort of contradiction? If Gideon already beleived, why ask for a sign?
The proof was not for those who already beleived it was for those who did not, at least according to the story.

Again it is very simple, but if it doesn't make sense to you, it is not your fault. 1 Cor 2:13-15.

Gideon is a 'christian' and the others are not.

When a christian approaches God as Gideon did, it is for direction and reassurance that it is indeed God speaking/leading. I pray and ask God for strength and reassurance everyday, the NT teaches this principle many a time.

When a non-christian 'approaches' God as the researchers did, it is for 'proof' of His existence and omnipotence and God does not honor those types of pretentious, superficial advances. He is not a bored, poorly paid magician waiting on humans to demand He show His power at their beck and call - and one day you will find this out with undeniable finality.

Chrisbenogor:
em Jesoul the templeton foundation is a christian foundation, the top three religious british scientists were involved, maybe not up to the status of Gideon but they could suffice no?

Yes, and Creflo Dollar, Paula White, TB Joshua, Oyakhilome and co are all christians too.

The mere fact that they put on a study to see if prayer "works" is a mountain of evidence that this so-called christian foundation do not even know the faith they proclaim to profess.

Chrisbenogor:
Yeah I know the whole personal experience thingy, it may be real to you but I am sure you cannot sell it to us or can you?

I was never trying to.

Do atheists think christians are going about trying to [b]convince [/b]them of God's existence? and His absolute power? well maybe some 'christians' are.

But I repeat as I said to Dudu, the gospel is not meant to be proven or thrust hard enough upon someone so that they become convinced enough to believe it. It is meant to be preached and you either believe it or not. I testify that prayer and faith in God is 'real-er' to me than you are - do you have to believe me? of course not, but understand that I never was or ever will try to 'sell' my faith or experiences to you. Each person must walk their own path and find their own evidence - or as in the atheists case - a lack of it.

duduspace:
Your original statement was that god is not in the business of proving himself to anyone which those particular stories from the bible clearly contradicts no matter what the bible commentaries say. Be man/woman enough to accept your original statement was either wrong or God is inconsistent. You can't eat your cake and have it.

None of the above.

My original statement was that "God is not in the business of proving Himself to anyone" was in the context of replying to Chris' scenario of the research that was done purporting to see if "God really answers prayers".

As to your examples of Gideon and Elijah, the answer is very simple. Were Elijah and Gideon believers in God? yes. They weren't secular, atheist, researchers who aren't genuinely looking for God but moreso another reason to mock God & His believers. God does not go about looking to prove Himself to people like that. and the bible could not be clearer
Rm 1:28 "Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind

bawomolo:
jesoul - how does it feel to know the red sox won the WS with two cheats?

                  its a sad day for Red Sox nation, not that any of us should be surprised.

I am consoled by the fact that every championship team for the last 20-25 years won with at least 1 cheat on the roster. They should just go ahead and release all the 103 names on that black list and put the devil to shame. All this trickling out is rubbish. Expose all the cheats once and for all. 

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=148652.msg4273782#msg4273782 date=1248976832]Haaa.Don't mind me jare y'all where M.I.A now and NL has been kinda boring jare
Moonstone is good she's chillin! I would send her your love [/quote]Please do

He's a decent shooter and he has playoff experience there are very few starter quality players who would settle for bench roles e.g A.I the key thing is chemistry and from his stats its obvious we can still get a little something something from him

The poor dude, rumor has it he's headed for all-nba rejects Clippers or Memphis.

Your Celts should be scared of Orlando ooh!! Carter was a steal they would not miss Turkoglu that much

Abegi, Carter is over the hill. Orlando had no answer for our sitffling defense if not for they shot that ridiculous 3pt %.

A-40! looks like you've taken a short break from the "lounging" to holla @ us insignificants
BTW, where's Moonstone? let her come out occasionally now . . .

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=148652.msg4272228#msg4272228 date=1248962868]Los Mavs sign Tim Thomas. . .Basketball is a funny sport i can remember 06 western conference finals when Dirk and Tim squared off and Tim mockingly made a kissing gesture at Dirk only for Dirk to go ahead and dump 50pts that night on the Suns lets see how they co-exist for the Mavs he is a decent player sha 8pts and 3 boards in 19mins aint shabby at all he would aid bench scoring for sure[/quote]I'm not sure what Tim Thomas has left in the tank and if he can significantly help the Mavs. You need 'starter quality' bench players if you're serious about being a title contender.

Bawo you guys had better watch your backs for the Raptors and even the Wizards Luol Deng might not be 100percent and even if he is Ben Gordon produces more on the offensive end

Leave him and let the up n' coming Wizzies bite them in the butt

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=148652.msg4272260#msg4272260 date=1248963130]As for Starbury it only shows that talent can only take you so far can remember back in them days when he and Steve Francis used to run things first in the West for the T.Wolves and Rockets respectively and briefly for the Knicks[/quote]What the heck even happened to Steve Francis?

Chrisbenogor:
LOL
Ok I forgot God always tends to disappear when there is a call on him to show himself lol. Prayers make no difference.

Your opinion.

My life and experiences and supernatural occurences in impossible circumstances prove beyond all doubt to me that the God I serve and love and will lay my life down for is real.

duduspace:
This is an untruth JeSoul, when exactly did god tell you this? assuming what you say is true, why then did he ask Gideon to put skins out for a sign? and why did Elijah have to call down fire from heaven into water? that looks to me like a god who wants to prove himself to people. Only problem is that he is a very inconsistent god who is totally unpredictable and therefore cannot be spoken for by any man.

Your opinion.

A quick search of bible commentaries will quickly show why millions of christians view and understand those verses you're refering to quite differently.

Is it the "Islam" thread? it was moved to the Islamic section.

May God's favor go before and after you and may He bless everything you put your hands to do and glorify His name through your life and testimony. It is well! In Jesus name. Amen.

manmustwac:
It bothers me coz if am in a taxi travelling from lagos to warri in nigeria i have to close my eyes and pretend to pray like everybody else and after praying the driver will be driving like a stuntman even though he had prayed for a safe journey. A safe journey depends on a safe driver with a car in good working condition good roads and good weather not prayers.

Would you be suprised to learn that the bible has the same position as you do? with one addition in that God can & will sometimes supernaturally act to prevent an accident. The bible teaches to pray AND act, not just pray alone and I challenge you or anyone else to show me otherwise from the bible.

This is the real problem: Nigerians have completely abused & misunderstood the purpose of prayer. I'll keep saying it, turn to the bible and read what it teaches NOT what people are saying and 'doing' what it is errorneously purported to teach.

Chrisbenogor:
Well it was an experiment to test the proposition that praying for sick patients improves their health. The patients were assigned, strictly at random, to an experimental group (received prayers) or a control group (received no prayers). Neither the patients, nor their doctors or caregivers, nor the experimenters were allowed to know which patients were being prayed for and which patients were controls. The team of researchers spending $2.4 million of Templeton money under the leadership of Dr Herbert Benson, a cardiologist at the Mind/Body Medical Institute near Boston. Dr Benson was earlier quoted in a Templeton press release as 'believing that evidence for the efficacy of intercessory prayer in medicinal settings is mounting'. Dr Benson and his team monitored 1,802 patients at six hospitals, all of whom received coronary bypass surgery. The patients were divided into three groups. Group 1 received prayers and didn't know it. Group 2 (the control group) received no prayers and didn't know it. Group 3 received prayers and did know it. The comparison between Groups 1 and 2 tests for the efficacy of intercessory prayer. Group 3 tests for possible
psychosomatic effects of knowing that one is being prayed for. Prayers were delivered by the congregations of three churches, one in Minnesota, one in Massachusetts and one in Missouri, all distant from the three hospitals.
The results, reported in the American Heart Journal of April 2006, were clear-cut. There was no difference between those patients who were prayed for and those who were not. What a surprise. There was a difference between those who knew they had been prayed for and those who did not know one way or the other; but it went in the wrong direction. Those who knew they had been the beneficiaries of prayer suffered significantly more complications than those who did not.

Two things jumped out at me from that summary:

1. They spent $2.4 million dollars on a "prayer study"

2. That any bible-believing church with the most rudimentary of knowledge of God and how He works would have agreed to such an undertaking

   I'm not suprised at the results. God is not in the business of "proving" Himself to anyone. He chooses to answer prayers when He wants and[b] how [/b] He wants. And no amount of human coaxing - especially for the wrong reasons - will persuade Him otherwise.

For real.

I heard he said he doesn't want to go to Europe and no nba teams are expressing intrest besides the Celtics who offered to bring him back for a 1yr contract. Poor Starbury, he has fallen so so low since his celebrated arrival in NY as the savior.

banom:
Supported, who else will be objective enough and not see things from his religious prejudice if not the ever objective Atheist,

Tudor, Huxley or Horus has my vote.

ROTFLOL    are you serious?

I didn't go to the theatre to see it, now that I could never do. Saw it on one of those free movie websites.

naliakar:
@JeSoul
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hehe okay I hate Cambridgers except for Naliakar   

I have already bought the ring. I am waiting for a date now. may be at The Charles. Will it work?

See this boy, ring ke?  lol did you just skip the whole dating and courtship section? Is that how you folks do it in Cambridge? 

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My 2 year stint in cambridge was very forgettable jare . Why are you cambridge residents/politicians always trying to dictate to the rest of us how we should live, what we can eat, what we can say . . . etc?

Simple. Because  Cambridgers are the top feeders of world  intellectual cadres. Why then do you think it is called the peoples republic?

Well they & massachusetts may boast to hosting the homes of "world intellectuals" but the benefit and effect of having these intellectuals around is distinctly missing.
Exhibit A: Failed Healthcare
Exhibit B: Failed Big Dig
Exhibit C: Corruption in Beacon Hill
Exhibit D: Increase in state tax by 25% going into effect in 2 days
Exhibit E: Deval Patrick

I rest my case 

Does anyone still take this lost, confused soul seriously? there is no voting going on anywhere. Insinuating Seun actually considered making him a mod is an insult to Seun's intellect.

naliakar:
@jesoul
Lol got that right. I cannot stand Cambridgers. Infact I can tell you the west of Boston people are not so liberal and have a certain measure of disdain towards them.

So you hate me now JeSoul. I see. Cambridgers are some of the finest people you will ever see and interact with.

hehe okay I hate Cambridgers except for Naliakar

My 2 year stint in cambridge was very forgettable jare . Why are you cambridge residents/politicians always trying to dictate to the rest of us how we should live, what we can eat, what we can say . . . etc?