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[quote author=Tudór link=topic=305368.msg4303340#msg4303340 date=1249480668]What circumstances do you define as "occasion"
i.e when exacly does the occasion arise?[/quote]Like a public news story as with the recent murders of people who allegedly 'defiled' their koran or a hot topic here on NL. Beyond such stories you will not find me on a muslim topic, I have zero intrest in a religion that does not matter to me.

As atheists we are opposed to people spreading false doctrines and delusion as regards religion. . . As humanists more or less we will comment and show you the fallacies of the fairy tale you all profess. . .why? - Because every religionist is a potential fundamentalist and every fundamentalist is a threat to human society.
Besides it's never a good idea to let false and dangerous dogmas like religion to spread without a reasoning voice to point out the wrongs of such,if not you religionists would think everyone agrees with your faith and it's only a matter of time before it becomes forced on everyone.
It's more difficult to fight against faith than it is with knowledge. . . .

It's just like capitalists and communists are more often than not always discussing one another pointing out the flaws and shortcomings of each other. Is that obsession?

Once an atheist here tried to spin it the same way you just did. That atheists on NL spend so much time doing everything in their power to bring down christianity because they care. It is a cheap delusion & I don't buy it for one second.

The more obvious truth is that they are obsessed, plain & simple.

bawomolo:
they just want to make an example of him.

why not the take the party to your home if you scared of ur safety in the club

Not many scrubs & groupies there to show off the bling and whip to.

Moonstone:
@ Jesoul, your love was delivered to me safe and sound - I missed y'all. A-40 wouldn't let me out of his sight for even 3 seconds . It's quite annoying at the same time, a lil' charming .

good to know. This Naija stint don tey oh, when are you going back to the big easy?

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=148652.msg4295868#msg4295868 date=1249380861]@Jesoul
Please kindly scratch Rondo and Perkins off that starting lineup you want to trade with me . Don't under-rate my players ooh!!
Jason Kidd (9 time all-star)
Josh Howard (2 time all-star)
Shawn Marion (4 time all-star)
Dirk Nowitzki (8 time all-star)
Dampier or Gooden
It would even be hard choosing between Dirk and K.G for the 4 spot
And going by the close-season activities your roster is probably not as deep as your competitors in the East thats why y'all have to keep Big Baby and pray Leon Powe recovers quick.Lets hope Sheed doesn't throw too many tantrums and lead the league in Technical fouls and ejections[/quote]I will take Kendrick Perkins and Rondo for C and PG, over Kidd and Gooden/Dampier in a heartbeat , all-star record notwithstanding.
We shall see about the Orlando experiment. Me I think they didn't solve the problem that caused them to lose to the Lakers. DH can only defend 1 or 2 players at a time

Ibime:
I can see Taye-Diggs and De La Soul rambling on again about whatnotwhatever.

Socialism ko, communism ni!

Wait till your company gets seized by Obama, then come tell me about Socialism. . . . . Oh I forgot, he virtually seized General Motors. . . . hehehehehe

See this yeye boy    we shall look like the prophets no one listened to in 4 years once the US govt controls the very air we breathe  . They already own banks, cars, housing, soon healthcare, next Ibime, Bawo & Morph 

  Me I will be moving out as soon as this joint becomes second Cuba.

bawomolo:
is your criticism of islam driven by fear?

Nope. But I'm not constantly in the islam section trying to bash their religion. I speak about it when the occasion arises.

  Most atheists here on NL spend all day and all their time on NL here in the religion section 'discussing' christianity. This is beyond mere curiosity but moreso an unhealthy obsession.

Krayola2:
hello, David. How are you today?

U assume I have not taken time to read the bible. . . Just thought I'd let u know i've read the Bible a lot.

We can disagree and still respect each other, u know? I've tried that with u several times but u just love the low road. Would u like me to join u there

You may have read it a lot, but it would appear that you obviously have never grasped & understood it.

hehe   that's the existential question of the day. I suspect deep down they fear it and hence dedicate tremendous effort here on NL to try to discredit, disparage and dissuade people from it.

I think the media/politicians are overly zealous on Plaxico's case - they want to make an example of him. If he'd hurt someone else I'd side with them but the dude shot himself, that is punishment enough isn't it?

-If christians didn't condemn the parents, the atheists would say we do not care.
-Christians condemned the parents, the atheists say we're not genuine and are pretending.

I submit nuthin the christian will ever do or say will suffice for the atheist who thinks he knows what we are all about.

bawomolo:
a few have condemned it but there's not much they can do about it.

Where? Has one single cleric or Mullah publicly come forward denouncing the murders? They obviously approve of the killings of the jews and infidels.

Infact sef it was a cleric who called for their murder:

JeSoul:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,536238,00.html?test=latestnews

Tension started mounting last week after Muslims accused three Christian youths of burning a copy of the Koran. They denied the allegations, but clerics called for their death. On Saturday, hundreds of supporters of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, an outlawed Sunni sectarian group, poured into the town from surrounding districts.

Go and condemn the savage, barbaric acts of your fellow brethren here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-304903.0.html

. . . instead of resurrecting well-answered topics from two years ago.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=304903.msg4294193#msg4294193 date=1249344417]Personally i don't think i'm doing any wrong. . .perhaps you feel this way maybe coz i say things that you and your kind consider blasphemous and should never be uttered by man against god, you considered that?

I speak no different than the bible which calls atheists fools, compares unbelievers to beasts,harlots, chaff and what not, swears and curses woe on sinners aka atheists, generational spells and insults on our descendants and so many other profanities. . . .so tell me Jesoul who is gonna query the bible about it's "unfortunate use of words"?
Are you not supposed to express displeasure at god too?[/quote]I have. There are many other atheists here on NL expressing their aversion for all things religion, its just that your adopted method of expression is largely acidic and overly bitter in nature. I don't know where you're coming from in your experience with religion, but your approach leads me to think it wasn't a very positive one.

Krayola,
    you don finish with exams and all the other drama? hope they went well and na A+++ you took home, anything less is unbecoming of a seasoned atheist such as yourself Plus there is a certain topic buried in the black hole of page 3 or so dying to be ressurected 

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=304903.msg4294039#msg4294039 date=1249340670]Are you kidding me?
Taka a cue. . .your spirit filled brother told me to shut the fu*k up yet i don't see you raising issues with him. . . .talk about hypocrisy!

I might use vile language, bo ho hoo, so do your xtian brothers on this forum but to accuse me of HATE is way off the mark.
Show me where exactly i spread hate or is hate the latest euphemism for talking about atrocities in the bible?[/quote]Okay you're right. I should've expressed displeasure with my "christian brother's" unfortunate choice of words as well. But pointing at the faults of others does not excuse or diminish yours. I'm not trying to assume some moral high ground, not at all. I just thot you might like to know how you come across, but if you don't care to then by all means please ignore this post.

Tudor,
I wonder how you do it. Every post I have ever read from you is drenched with hate, insults and vile language. Even if you so dislike religion and christianity, I wish sometimes you would find a better, more civil way of expressing it.

Chrisbenogor:
Awwww thats not fair na, its like saying why do Christians say christianity does not extort,

Not quite. The loudest voices against the 'pentecostal movement' of churches here on NL are christians, remember that catholic thread with the raped girl? it was all christians critisizing the church, the jets, lavish lifestyles etc christians here make no secret of their disdain and disgust for these rascals called pastors.

  But I am yet to see 1 muslim here on NL, or their cleric leaders around the world condemn the actions of their brethren. They simply remain behind their koran throwing out the obviously false assertion that "islam is a religion of peace" when all evidence points to the exact opposite.

  One can only conclude from their deafening slience that they either conscoiusly or subconsciously support the violence.

This is religion at one of its lowest, tragic loss of a poor child. Bible-believing and practising christians would disagree 100% with this literalist, have strong enough 'faith only' parents. The bible teaches the exact opposite of what they did.

And the march towards socialism continues. Americans are getting exactly what they voted for and hence exactly what they deserve. You cannot vote in a socialist and not expect socialist policies/programs.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,536238,00.html?test=latestnews


Paramilitary troops patrolled the streets of a town in eastern Pakistan yesterday after Muslim radicals burned to death eight members of a Christian family, raising fears of violence spreading to other areas. Hundreds of armed supporters of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, an outlawed Islamic militant group, burned dozens of Christian homes in Gojra over the weekend after allegations that a copy of the Koran had been defiled.

The mob opened fire indiscriminately, threw gas bombs and looted houses as thousands of frightened Christians ran for safety. “They were shouting anti-Christian slogans and attacked our houses,” Rafiq Masih, a resident of the predominantly Christian colony, said. Residents said that police stood aside while the mob went on the rampage. “We kept begging for protection, but police did not take action,” Masih said.

Police and local officials said that at least eight people, including four women and a child, were killed in the fires. Two others died of gunshot wounds. Residents said that the casualties were much higher; one claimed that the number of dead could be in the dozens as many bodies were still buried under the rubble. Shahbaz Bhatti, the Minister for Minorities, said that 40 Christian homes were torched in rioting. He said there was no truth to allegations that a Koran had been defiled, and accused the police of ignoring his appeal to provide protection to Christians.

Tension started mounting last week after Muslims accused three Christian youths of burning a copy of the Koran. They denied the allegations, but clerics called for their death. On Saturday, hundreds of supporters of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, an outlawed Sunni sectarian group, poured into the town from surrounding districts. The group is believed to have close links with Al Qaeda and has been involved in several terrorist attacks targeting security forces in recent years. Television footage showed armed men running through the streets, gunfire, and women and children wailing. Blackened furniture lay outside burning homes, while a group of people rushed a man suffering from burns on a cart through the streets. Rehman Malik, the Interior Minister, said that the paramilitary troops were sent after police and the local administration failed to control the situation. Security forces were also placed on high alert to prevent violence from spreading to other towns of Punjab.

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  I was just wondering where all the outrage is from the educated muslims who constantly maintain that islam is a religion of peace.

bawomolo:
Yes he is. watch him play in the chicago winter.

this would be a season of surprises for the bears

Indeed it will I will reserve my most mischevious of comments until when Cutler begins to show his true yellow colors.

A-40,
We shall see about Carter. Me I think his days of relevancy are behind him. And we may be older with Rasheed, but we're also better & more emotional . Talk true, you would trade your entire starting five for Boston's line-up

Chiogo, wassup girl? I agree with your bro, Rasheed can make a huge difference if he comes committed to work his butt off.

There's no need to explain anything. Its 'rubbishness' is self-evident to anyone capabale of exercising the slightest of their brain power.
You took one verse from the bible, twisted it and built an entirely false premise on it ignoring all other verses that contradict your assertion = Rubbish.

All you spend your time doing here on NL is attempting and failing to discredit and disparage Christianity. Try as you may, the gates of your hell will not prevail against the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Ogaga4Luv:
[s]"I am the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." (Revelation 22:16)

This verse presents the most shocking revelation in the entire Bible. On the very last page, it reveals Jesus as the "bright and morning star". In other words, Lucifer-- Satan!

In Isaiah 14:12, St. Jerome, translated the Hebrew "morning star" into the Latin term "Lucifer" (light bearer), a name commonly ascribed to Satan by Christians, and represents the fallen star, an ancient symbol for the fallen or evil one. The mourning star actually appears as the planet Venus, the brightest "star" in the sky (but the ancients did not know about planets). Venus always appears low on the horizon, thus it looked like a fallen star (fallen angel) to the believers.

Although the Isaiah verse describes the fallen king of Babylon, Christians have, for centuries, ascribed Satan as taking many forms. And what more powerful form could an evil being take than to pretend himself as the saviour of the world? This would certainly explain the hate filled verses attributed to Jesus and the blind followers who inherit ignorance. Thus, a conclusion, based on Christian beliefs of Satan, and the belief in the "inerrancy" of the Bible, one must conclude that Jesus has revealed himself as Satan![/s]

What a Revelation! 

What rubbish.

Nija4Life:
@JeSoul
I never stated I wanted the Government to regulate religious bodies, I only asked a question whether government should or if religious bodies should be self-regulated. It's all well saying people should not go to where they are fleeced but remember every society comprises of some ignorant and vulnerable people who don't even know they are been ripped off in the first place. I have only put up a discussion for debate and you are allowed to put forward an argument based on facts and reason

The government cannot even run the most basic of things in the country. They will not now nor ever be put in charge of 'regulating churches', at least not in rational functioning societies.

  We can easily put all these "churches" out of business, if people stopped being so gullible. Ignorance and vulnerability is not a good enough excuse to allow yourself to be pimped out of your hard-earned money. Trying to bribe God and your pastor so they will bless you with riches, to me reeks of pure greed. The way I see it the greedy church-goers are just as guilty as the greedy pastors.

There are many good churches out there that that don't build their gospel on money. Infact I don't even remember the last time they spoke about money at my church.

Nija4Life:
I spoke to a friend who lives in Doncaster (In the UK) a week ago and he was telling me about how he was going to leave his church as every Sunday, all the Pastor talks about is money. There is always a ' seed to be sown' ranging from £100 to £1000. This is a stark reminder of how much commercialised some churches have become - seeing the leaders of the churches living in affluent and their flocks wallowing in poverty. This begs the question of whether churches should be regulated by governmen to prevent vulnerable people from been exploited or should they be self-regulating? Your thoughts please

Lol, you want the incompetent, dysfunctional & largely corrput government that rarely succeeds at any project it sets out to do and is for the most part led by even greedier, theiving idiots to run/regulate a private, independent institution like a church?

Nobody is forced to go to church. If they are stealing from you stay at home or go somewhere else that they don't fleece you. It's as simple as that.

    did you just use "tough" and "Jay Cutler" in the same sentence? 

Max,
if you beat me to opening a thread in the religion section on this please do let us know

No2Atheism:
@jesoul
is there any latest sci-fi movies around am starving from lack of battlestar galactica, heroes, and smallville (those were the ones the normal give me the weekly doses of sci-fi).

Not really. The movie "District 9" has been investing in a lot of advertising. I haven't read any reviews but its sci-fi.

Most of the movies around tend not to interest me cus their is too much hype and i sincerely hate hype (e.g. I am yet to watch Batman Black Knight, Hangover etc and some other movies). Movie hype sometimes become kryptonite to me

      you haven't seen Dark Knight? TOH please discipline this dude. You are hereby commanded to watch DK asap. Infact it wasn't even hyped enough, that movie is solid from a-z.

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=173006.msg4278270#msg4278270 date=1249053131]The dimpled, handsome, cross-waving variety with perfect teeth and hair?[/quote]Not quite. More like the old, wrinkled, cross-clinging variety with yellow teeth and receeding hair 

No2Atheism:
@jesoul
Now you know part of the reason why i got fed up and left the place (and ended up flirting on romance section ), infact i am even sometimes scared of discussing with some people over there in the religious section now cus it seems at least one person is starting to show traces of suicidal tendecies.

I am stunned that some people on the religious thread would clearly and easily see a bible verse that clearly says something but instead choose to either ignore or start hurling abuses instead of examining the evidences based on its merit.

See this boy, don't blame your wanton propensity for flirting on horrid state of the religion section  Lol we all know the truth here so no need to pretend, you can take off the choir boy clothes   
Couple of us have voiced our complaints about the section but management has refused to pay us any attention so we just siddon jeje. 

By the way, how is pilgrim1 she seems to be one of the few thats capable of engaging in discussion without hurling insults or trying to ridicule the opponent.

Pilgrim seems to be on hiatus for now. she leaves and reappears and I'm sure she'll be back soon. I like that girl much.

Chrisbenogor:
The more reason I was bowing out, this aint aabout defending your religion gurl it is mostly about discussing people's mindsets

You're right. I shall be more cautious and alert in the future. However I am sure you surely sympathize with why I switched to defense mode right? 

plus you wouldnt want us to air our dirty laundry on nairaland na so I did the craig david and walked away, now you are going all chingy on me and something keeps pulling me back

hehe, whatever is hidden will surely be exposed   
I knewest not Sir Chris is also a connoisseur in music  what else am I going to find out about you? And by the way I am still waiting on your top 20.


Duduspace, (which kin name be that sef lol)
  issall good brotha. How have you been by the way?

ThiefOfHearts:
JK watches Eddie Murphy/romantic comedy movies, I dont take him seriously.

Lol . . . he will be here to defend himself in a sec

what's wrong with this weekend?

African festival on saturday which I agreed to 3 months ago and can't unfortunately back out of. I'm not even sure what I'm doing, my stuff is about as African as you find Eddie Murphy funny.
A close friend's wedding on Sunday [size=5pt]I haven't even bought the gift yet[/size]

and you're right about the section *sigh* Im very curious though

When things get somewhat under control, I'll open a topic & find you and Max.

See this yeye Bindex, where are my caribbean tickets? Abi you think say I forget?