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proudly9ja:
I am not a medical doctor but I think I know a bit about hormones and genes. First and foremost, some men are born naturally with excess female hormones and I think its called the progesterone or egesterone. You will find these men in many societies today displaying woman like behaviours and you will mostly see them in the company of girls. In Nigeria, people even go ahead and call them 'obirin' meaning woman. For me, I think for these kind of people, they are 'born' with it and as such, it belies on them to fight it and do the right thing. It is also their parents' responsibilities not to indulge their woman like tendencies from childhood. Trust me, they can be overcome. Some girls are also born with excess male hormones called the testosterone. They do same thing as described for their male counterparts except in reverse.

Thank you brotha, you've attacked the issue from the direction I was looking for. This is dealing the physical and anatomical side of things. Is this widely accepted and acknowledged by both sides? that some men are naturally born with excess female hormones?

Now you may say, the child was born with it so its not his fault. True. But one thing as christians we must understand is that the day Adam sinned, he brought sin into the world and since that day, Man took his destiny away from God's Hands and decided things for himself and his generations yet unborn. That is why if a woman who takes alcohol heavily during pregnacy gives birth to a deformed child, you cannot blame God for it. The issue of the why and how children are born with excess hormones of the opposite sex I cannot explain because I do not know but I am certain that is by our own doing. Its the same way some people who are called kleptomaniacs. They have an irresistible tendency to steal. No matter how rich they are, they get this satisfaction from stealing even petty things they usually do not need.

Excellent! so do you agree with the viewpoint that homosexuality is just another side effect of having the sinful nature? and since everyone has the sinful nature random people suffer homosexual tendencies?

Same thing like someone said, homosexuuality can be imbibed from society. I do not want to talk too much on this as some posts before me have dwelt on it.

What then can be done. As a christian, first thing Il say is prayer. Also the person needs serious councelling and therapy. But first, he must understand and agree that it is wrong for him to be a homosexual and must accept to change.

Hope Ive made some sense

my tots.

A lotta sense brotha, a whole lotta

[quote author=m_nwankwo link=topic=279591.msg3976163#msg3976163 date=1244120714]Thanks JeSoul. I will attempt to give my perception on the issues you raised. Homosexuality is sexual attraction towards the same sex. Such attraction is not limited to physical sexual relationships alone but include our thoughts, emotions, motivations and even what happens in our dreams. Homosexuality is a distortion of the will of God and it is human beings via their free will that gave rise to this abberation. There are those who are born with a strong inclination or disposition to become homosexuals. Such individauls possees the strong inclination to homosexuality brought about by their genes. At the moment no group of genes are yet associated with homosexuality but I predict that genetic profiling of a large number of those whose stories suggest that they are born with the predisposition will reveal significant differences in their genes, its expression as well as the nature of their brains compared to genuinely heterosexual individuals. That they are born with the inclination does not mean that they are born homosexauls, rather they have a high probability of becoming one due to underlying genetic factors. Most people in this category often fight a loosing battle that drives them to despair because they clearly sense the aberration but are powerless to stop it. Counselling and therapies are often useless because the reason for the distortion which is reflected in their genes lies in activitities that happened before birth. At this point, you may regard what I will say as strange but I will still say it and hopefully some of it may be helpful.[/quote]Okay I see where you're going now.
Strange indeed but its not too far from the scenario the presented in the header of some people been weaker in this particular sin compared to others. I haven't done extensive studies but I highly doubt anyone so far has been able to come up with definitive evidence homosexuality is linked to ones genes. Do you have any evidence that led you to this conclusion?

Our life presently on earth is not the first time we have been on earth. All human beings have been here several times in different guises, nationality, religion and in some cases in different sexes. Thus what happens to us in this life is a snapshort of our entire existence, that means that some of the things we are presently experiencing in this life time have its causes, not in this life time but in a previous earth lives, that is in previous incarnations as human beings on earth. The image of God that is man, the spirit have the ability given to it by God to bring forms from formless power of God. These forms include our bodies (both physically visible and invincible). Our earthly body is the densest and it is one that everybody can see with his or her physical eyes. The spirit also forms the earthly body through the nature of its activity. God created us as either male or female spirits. Thus the human spirit is a split species. Male spirits form male bodies while female spirits form female bodies. That is the way God made it. But if a male spirit start to engage in activities that are feminine, it forms female bodies including a female physical body. Thus when this distortion happens, you have a male soul entrapped in a female body and a female soul entrapped in a male body. Individuals gifted with claivoyant abilities can clearly see that outwardly, that is in his physical body, he is a woman but the soul is a man. Thus, those who are born with the strong inclination to be homosexuals distorted the nature of their activities in a previous earth life which then have a physical materialization in this present life. Thus they are male souls in female bodies and female souls in male bodies. Because it is a female soul in a male body, it can be sexually attracted to female souls in female bodies that are not born with the predisposition to be gay but are developing homosexual tendencies in this life or is attracted to a male soul in a female body. Thus although the body is female, the soul is male and this weak male soul (outwardly a woman) is attracted weak female soul in a female body that is in the process of distortion or to a weak female soul in a mans body (outwardly a man). Thus in one case you find sexual attraction between people of the same physical sex because one is outwordly a woman (weak male soul) and the other is a weak female soul (outwardly a woman) but striving towards male charcteristics. Thus in this scenarion you find an effeminate man (outwordly a man but harbouring a female soul) attracted to another effeminate man (outwardy a man, inwardly a man but acquiring feminine characteristics). The other scenario which people think is heterosexual but is intrinsically homosexual is where an effeminate man (female soul in male body) is attracted to a masculine woman (male soul in a female body). However except you are gifted with the ability to see the soul, it will be wrong to make judjements based on what is physically and emotionally observable. There are a lot more to this than what I have described. In summary people who are born with with the inclination to be inwardly homosexuals sowed the seeds for homosexuality in a previous earth life and those seeds come to fruitfication in this earth life.

wow    this one pass my power my brother. I don't believe in re-incarnation becos of the simple fact the bible says "it is appointed to men to die once and then the judgement". But I must certainly say that your beliefs on the matter are very colorful. If someone asked you how you arrived at the above opinons what would your response be?

 I agree with you mostly on your last paragraph and as OLAADEGBU also says, society can definitely influence a person towards homosexuality.

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=279224.msg3973327#msg3973327 date=1244060104]If I went to a church and they gave peanuts and water for communion,I doubt if I'll partake.
That's just me[/quote] me sef I hate peanuts anyways, but seriously, I would be hesistant too becos all kinds of variety of bread and flavor of wine is available 24/7 to most of us. Like I said I agree it is a slippery slope and people will no doubt begin to substitute whatever they like whenever they like. But in some cases like a missionary on the field in a remote village and they have no bread and wine, are we going to say they cannot partake of communion?

 I would say we should stick to bread and wine (or grape juice ) but I will not go so far as to say using anything else is wrong. I believe the bible teaches us its more than just the letter of the law.


 Sister Pilgrim how you dey?  
[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=279224.msg3973382#msg3973382 date=1244061143]On a serious note, the bread is significant - as much the wine. I think there's a reason why it is called "the fruit of the vine" in Luke 22:18; and although there's some sense in the question of the sincerity of the heart, it is not enough to make special effort to substitute these for something else. Someone has suggested something alarming ("bushmeat & beer" - and they could as well say it's according to the sincerity of their hearts as well. Where do we go from there?  Once I was in a friend's church in Nigeria where they used Fanta for communion one week; and then used Coca-Cola several weeks later - in a house fellowship. I was a little embarrassed for my friend who invited me as I didn't partake, although I went several times to the house fellowship (cell-group meeting) and enjoyed the teaching there.[/quote] hehe trust Naija.

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=279224.msg3973410#msg3973410 date=1244061529]LOL
so mineral doesn't qualify?
In Nigeria,we usually used Ribena back then but I haven't had communion in Nigeria in a while so maybe they now use Ava non alcoholic wine.
What wine do you think should be used?[/quote]You know some churches do not permit their members to drink any alcohol   usually they'll use grape or apple juice. Some use that low alcohol content ones 2-6%.

The 'Area Boys' trailer is definitely a step up from the "mama sunday" typical trailers we get from nollywood. It coulda used some vocals/commentary though when they switched to the scenes from the movie but overall nice and good picture quality too.

iice:
[color=#9900ff]Not denying but they are cool na. . .admit it! [/color]

lol . . . I dunno about "cool". I woulda chosen a different word like say . . . scary?

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=279224.msg3972031#msg3972031 date=1244047536]The Bible clearly says bread and wine and those are easy products to get since anything from agege bread to cabin biscuit can be used as bread.
my sister we are talking about peanuts as a substitution for bread
even yam or white eba could have been better at least they are starchy food like bread.[/quote]I know peanuts is a lot' different  and while it does tell us it was wine and bread at the table BUT I don't see where it forbids substituting. And this is not a license to substitute whatever we like for the body but I think this is where the motive will come into play.

  And who's to say we're only limited to use "starchy foods"? I don't see where that directive was given to us. Say you have a missionary on the field in a remote village and they have no bread and wine and decide to substitute with a local fruit and water - where's the beef with that?
  The way I see it, it is only a symbol of the body & blood of Christ. The actual, physical composition of the food is not what's important but moreso the act and the heart behind the act. Lets not slip on the letter of the law and forget the spirit behind it.

bindex:
@ dalaman

Nice write up, you provided a case for atheism that I believe some atheist can not even do. Are you sure you are not an atheist?

hehe are you looking for recruits?  abeg leave Dalaman jare 

OLAADEGBU:
@Poster,

Since the fall of man sin has done a lot of damage to what is natural as you will see people are now inclined to bestiality, homosexuality, polygamy and paedophilia.  Most of which is acquired by child abuse and strange upbringing and what they have been exposed to when they were young and indoctrinated with.  These secular humanists have now influenced governments to be teaching these weird practises to kindergartens, no wonder they grow up to think that they were born gay which the likes of Huxley would be excited about and which says so much for their morality if they have any.

Thanks for the reply my brotha. Correct me if I'm misunderstanding you: do you mean societal influences is what leads people to believe they were born gay?

 

morpheus24:
@ poster


As it is evident that people are born black , white, brown yellow short, tall, retarded, intelligent, weak, strong,dumb, stupid, slow,transsexual, hemaphrodites,conjoined,

i don't think any one chose any of the above attributes. Therefore it is quite plausible to say I am of the opinion. People are born gay and do not choose this inclination.

and I can def appreciate how you reached that conclusion

[quote author=m_nwankwo link=topic=279591.msg3971475#msg3971475 date=1244043819]These are my views on the issue you raised. Their has to be a distinction between the image of God that is man and what this image chose to become as a result of his or her free will. My sensing is that man was sinless at the time God created him or her and the image of God which is man is also sinless in its nature. However this image of God has a free will which can lead to decisions in contradiction to its nature, the image of God. Thus a crude analogy is that man as he is created by God is a diamond that shines. But if this diamond is thrown into a mud, the dirt can cover the brilliance of this diamond that people can no longer recognise the diamond. Inspite of this, the mud or dirt only covers the diamond but is not part of the diamond, that is the mud or dirt is not an intrinsic nature of the daimond, rather it is external to the nature of the diamond and can thus be washed away.

Homosexuality like all sins is not a part of the image of God or the spirit. However through the decision to taste impure currents, the spirit can acquire the mud of homosexuality. The thickness of the acquired mud can become so powerful that it entirely covers the brilliance of the spirit and strongly predisposes the person to incline to homosexuality. Thus in some cases of homosexuality, the individuals are born with the inclination to become homosexuals. Some other cases of homosexuality are only acquired during adulescence, adulthood. This later case can easily be treated and cured but the earlier case in which people are born with a strong inclination to be homosexual is difficult to treat except if God through his called servants intervene in the matter.

My views are not based on the bible but I hope it will be helpful. Stay blessed.[/quote]Thank you for your response Nwankwo.
Your views may not be based on the bible but there's a lotta biblical truth in it. I lose you when you make the seperation btw "those who were born gay" and "those who develop it". Care to explain further how some come with it and others don't?

Thanks.

iice:

Are you denying your predilection for the most diabolical of movie characters?  I have told you before now that you scare me . . .

Have you no ounce of respect or decency anywhere in your calloused bones? _{since it has long been evident you don't have a heart.}

   This is a christian topic soliciting christian responses. Please go and rant elsewhere.

Serena has joined the list of players on their way back home . . .

davidylan:
It is true that we are born with the nature to sin but we are also born with a natural inclination towards the opposite sex . . .

That was the natural order . . . even after Adam and Eve fell that order still prevailed.

100% agree. So what is the explanation for the people who deviate from this 'natural inclination'? To them their choice very natural. If its sin as the bible describes it, isn't it still a product of the sinful nature?

While I agree whole heartedly the early church left excellent footprints in the sand for us to follow, it is important to highlight that in this time and kind of society we live in today the way we practice our faith and display our "oneness of accord" will not and cannot be identical.

  I belong to small fellowship on campus with students and a couple of graduates and though no one has never shared any property or sold all their possessions, or collected offering or tithe, there is not one among us who is ever in need and someone else doesn't help meet that need in some way.

  Also we sometimes fail to acknowledge that the early church had faced many problems and dealt with many many issues. See the writings of Paul and the stern rebukes in the book of Revelations. So lets not fall prey into thinking a 'perfect church' ever existed or will ever exist. As long as we're in this human bodies, we will be imperfect people, making up an imperfect church which Christ will someday come back and bring the perfection into completion.

Please this topic is for Christians only but if you're not one and can refrain from the typical mudslinging that's rampant in this section then your honest thoughts are more than welcome 

I've been meaning to discuss this topic for a while now.
At a bible study we were discussing the subject and the general consensus is "No, a person is not born gay anymore than a person can be born to lie or commit adultery".

- What we are all born with is the sinful nature. I think we can all agree on that, and I think we can also all agree that we all struggle with different sins, what I might be weak in, you might be strong in and vice versa.

- Now if the sinful nature is comprised of all these different sins - including homosexuality - so could it just be that those who struggle with homosexuality are one of the 'unfortunates' who just happen to be weak in this particular and unpopular sin? I'm not sure, but I think its a point that warrants and begs for further thought and analysis so any takers? or leavers?

ROTFLOL . . .  I don laff lie!     
The poster has a point. We have both extremes on NL, those who can't write a sentence void of error and those who can't write a sentence without showing off their mastery of dictionary.com.

KnowAll:
be proud? if thats how an english man or our professeurs spoke to us none of us here will be here today. Its all about communicating not big words.
ole Soyinka at a conference used so many supersized words that most people in the audience couldnt understand even a white man sitting next to me kept asking me what  he was saying throughout.

Amen!

Pataki:
I am completely knackered, flabbergasted, and gobsmacked by the pedantic level at which you have displayed your superior sagacity to the topic at hand. While noting that a mere suya man like you, has arisen to the excellent mastery and display of grammar; a mere acquiescent being like myself, humbly wish to apply under your pedagogy in order to succinctly express big vocabulary and be inferred to as a grammar pundit.

LOL   

Jesus Take the Wheel - Carrie Underwood

[flash=400,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/Ky4rfA_tebY[/flash]

spikedcylinder:
Aha! Glad you like it.

I haven't seen Twilight though, is it a recent movie?

wow you're kidding right? its been out for a while. Lucky you live in a part of the world that did not obsess over the movie. There were stories of vampires at local high schools here for weeks and theatre overload . . . useless teen/chick flick.

No2Atheism:
1. Yep it is a recent movie.

2. It is a chick flick

3. Another vampire lovey dovey nonsense movie for teenage girls.

4. Unless you are also a lover of chick flicks, then it might be good to inform you that you are better off reading Mills and Boons

See this spoiled boy

your summary is right on.

I saw this thread yesterday and took some time to think about it.
While the bible doesn't say you may or may not substitute these items, I believe it comes down to the motive of the believers partaking of it.

  If they wish to share in communion but there's no bread or wine but there're crackers and apple juice or as in this case groundnut and water, I don't see how it can be held against them if their heart is right and motives are pure before God. Like the AIO said above not everyone everywhere in the world has access to wine and bread.

No2Atheism:
What is it about TOH and gorish/slasher/violent movies sef, she is really starting to scare me.

Lol . . . you should see iice's choice of favorite heroes and villians

No2Atheism:
Jesoul and Spiky what are your opinions about Twilight, i have disliked the movie since it came out because it was hyped so much and i personally do not really like movies that are chick flicks.
 Does it match the hype or is it just another pop-corn movie.

I cannot be caught dead in a theatre or home where Twilight or the likes are being shown . . .

No2Atheism:
@jesoul how far u went under the radar again, how u dey.

 my brother I dey o jare. Work, practice and work is to blame. I'm usually in the lab all day which makes for much reduced disposable cybertime. I did holla back on the You  

I tell you @spiky's signature statement is both funny and thoughful, makes u wonder whether she should go into Stand-up comedy.

Nodding, uh huh.

Spiked,

Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

. . . cracks me up everytime I see it 

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=173006.msg3969651#msg3969651 date=1244025521]You might be mixing The International, Clive Owen and Naomi Watts, with Duplicity, Clive Owen and Julia Roberts.[/quote]Yeah I thot he meant to write Naomi Watts but didn't connect it to think he may have been thinking of Duplicity.

@JS
Both are just so-so fare.I saw both because I like Owen, but much better movies are available.

Like? Karma suggested Funny Games, I haven't gotten around to it just yet.

davidylan:
who is this new robin Soderling? He's just beaten Davydenko to get to the semis!

He is my hero! I will be ever grateful to him for ridding us of those capris and ending his run. It was time jor.

yikes! that is messed up.

C2H5OH:
boo that image was messed up.

You don't want Lebron to end up in NY?

biina:
Sadly for Lebron, I see D-Wade getting another ring, and even Carmelo, before the Cavs.
The story line is just too reminiscent of the boy wonders of the past: Iverson, Garnett etc.
They come in, rising to the top posting superman stats, get to finals, fail to win a ring, and go down south from there.

I hope that's not the fate that awaits Lebron. Even with Iverson's stubborness I woulda liked him to have gotten a ring.

I am suspicious that Lebron might not be accommodating to having another superstar on the team, and yet he needs 1 or 2 to win a ring.
Either of Amare or Bosh is likely headed to Miami in 2010. Boozer might be the cavs best bet at a big man.

What makes you think that? Thus far he hasn't shown signs of selfishness & the media worships him. Although I know in the classic words of Lauryn Hill "They'll hail you, then nail you, no matter who you are".

Returning to our regular scheduled programming: Magic in 5!!!

Amen Amen and AMEN!!!

bawomolo:
john d baptist, he came before derrick rose

hehe . . . you know what happened to John right? his head ended up on a platter 

is that what's in store for poor Luol?

C2H5OH:
https://i42.tinypic.com/2sbo02a.jpg

The workmanship on this image is simply astonishing 

bawomolo:
definitely. rashard lewis stepped up his game. the same is expected of an alleged all-star.

and amare is packing his bags to chicago anytime soon.

rose-salmons-amare form the holy trinity

And where does Luol Deng fit in all this?

biina:
@JeSoul
I dont mean that everyone should be sent packing, but outside Lebron no one else is sacred.

A few years ago, Miami (with stan van gundy as coach) lost the conference finals to Detroit despite having the best record in the conference. Pat Riley was criticized for taking apart that squad, but was vindicated when the new team won the title the following season.
If the support cast are not good enough, rings are simply wishful thinking.

Good point with the Miami case. I guess there's no sense in keeping a team together that cannot go the distance. The Cav management must be shaking in their boots at the thot of Lebron jilting them for the bright lights of NYC.

As to Mo Williams crying on not being selected, it was not as hilarious as his guarantee for Game 4!
I wonder who he felt should have been dropped from the all stars in his favor. Jameer Nelson or Allen Iverson?
I no blame am sha, even me sef vex say dem no select me

abi ke, we all for vex but I go take style air my disappointment instead of the brazen atittude of entitlement he showed. He shoulda known better than to be guaranteeing games. I'm sure he'll come back a much much humble person next season

C2H5OH:
Ooooops Hoochie Wally Wally

I mean light weight consisten mode. Good for 18ppg

Lol  

biina:
So how did he choke? His performance in the series was quite good when compared to his past, and in the last game he was even better.
The guy did his best. To expect more from him is unfair.

 
I have expected more from Mo Williams since he cried about not being selected to the all-star game.

bawomolo:
How many big men are that good in the league?

besides Rasheed wallace, who would be available this season?

they could make a splash and trade for chris bosh or amare but my bulls won't allow that 

wally could ball a few moons ago o

hehe you're back to your hallucinations  Chicago will need more than just Derrick Rose to entice Amare. Maybe Bosh might bite but prob not Amare. But then I think your team just might have the benjaminz to woo them in.

  Abeg balling doesn't equate Beast. Terms like that should be reserved for mutants like Howard and Shaq.