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Tasma:
Well as you may have picked up from my post my argument is not about the possibility of the existence of an intelligent designer. That's a possibility. My argument is whether this designer is necessarily the God described by many established religions. If you choose to be religious and you enjoy the lifestyle and emotional benefits, all well and good. Can you however deduce from your experiences that your definition of God is true and everyone else is wrong and misguided?

Good question. And I give you the same answer: Faith. The bible teaches that Faith is all the evidence and proof that a christian needs that God is.

Now, can I prove that my faith is the right faith? NO. So to answer your question there's no way I can definitively show you that 'my' God is the right one. Christianity and the gospel of Jesus was never meant to be proven, but simply believed and accepted by faith. And then God reveals Himself to the person in a unique and intimate way that they become assured of the path that they walk.

That's why the pursuit of the knowledge and understanding of God is a very personal journey. I cannot show you, you have to search it out and discover what the truth is for yourself. I hope this answers your question.

  sidenote: Looks like the Bobcats are the Lakers daddy      they actually have a losing record against Bobcats . . . who woulda thot.

bawomolo:
someone[b] tell China to ban NBA.com[/b], they are ruining the all star ballot

Word.

The All-star is in reality more like a popularity contest. But then I was thinking about it, these guys are the players that the "fans" want to see anyways . . . I mean who wants to see Jameer Nelson over AI? or Paul Milsap over Amare or something. Truth be told we want to see the "stars".

To straighten all this out I think they should change the title from "all-star" to "all-popular" so as to avoid all this confusion

lol . . . ya'll crazy . . .

I know haters don't wan hear this but

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3865269

Where is that yeye Rikky? nuthin for the Colts next yr.

Tasma:
This is actually a very simple question I want to ask…, hope to get some intelligent answers. Oft times when a person claims not to believe in God they resort to this argument. They say look around you, who do think made the stars, the clouds, human beings etc. Since these things exist then “our” God must be real. This claim is common with Christians, Muslims or “religious” persons. I don’t really understand this claim. How do you take the leap from I don’t know where this thing came from……. to hence my God must exist.

If you have a better theory as to who created the universe, how and why I would love to hear it

The other angle taken a lot is that “I know that God exists because of certain things that have happened to me personally”. This is even funnier because anyone from any other religion can claim God exists from the personal experiences he/she has had in life.

There is nuthin outlandish about building ones belief system based on things that have happened to them. We all interpret the world around us based on the knowledge and understanding we've acquired thruout our lives. I understand you say "then 'God' will be different according to each person"  true.

  Now will they be wrong sometimes? yes. All the time? perhaps. But still, its not illogical to apply ones experiences as a means to understanding the world around them.

Next, when the Muslim and Christian agree that God exists isn’t that extremely laughable. Two persons with widely contrasting views of “God” both arguing for his existence. Perhaps the first step should be a universally accepted definition of who “God” is.

Impossible. Both groups (and thousands more) differ in their accepted ideological definition & character of God, so much so that there can be no reconciliation btw the two.

Lastly I feel that even though the term “atheist” is thrown about a lot in the forum, does there really exist a true one? The creation of everything we can perceive is largely a mystery to all of us. That there is probably a lot more we cannot perceive is quite possible and that there is a force behind creation is a real possibility. I doubt if many “atheists” would deny this.

lol, you give the atheists too much credit.
I'm glad though that you've left open the possibility of an intelligent designer. I see that your beef is with when anyone says with "certainity" that their God is the culprit responsible for the universe.

This question really is that how does this admission of lack of knowledge lead to belief in Koranic, Biblical Gods? Instead of bending over backwards to make the stories of these religions seem tenable can we not simply admit that we do not know everything about our existence? Would love to hear your comments.

Brotha we could simply throw up our hands and say why bother? we can never know. That is not entirely an unreasonable position. But you are forgetting one central thing:

FAITH. It is only by faith (with the absence of evidence or proof) any of us believers can say God is real and that He created all the universe. So its not a "bending over backwards to make up stories", it is an intangible belief in the heart that these things are even though we cannot prove it.

hehehehehehe. . . .

A-40. . .No be small thing oo

won fe pa awon mavs sha     

Jesoul is gonna have a field day on ur arse

I thought the reason for drafting Rick Carlisle was to
help Mavs up their defense and intensity.

Its working a charm today

Common now  A-40 knows he's my boy, I wouldn't rub it in like that, right A-40?  

but seriously, that was an awful showing, even if you ain't playing well, at least hustle and show effort. Dirk is not good at much else besides scoring.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=148652.msg3388955#msg3388955 date=1233023993]The Hawks went an entire quarter without a basket can you believe? [/quote]. . . those guys are just shady. They show up occasionally when its a big game and give us the illusion they're actually nearing the status of an elite team . . . they've probably circled their calendars and are waiting for the next time they play the Celtics 

All star starters West
Guards
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul

Forwards
Tim Duncan
Amare Stoudemire

Center
Yao Ming

All-star starters East
Guards
Dwyane Wade
Allen Iverson

Forwards
Lebron James
Kevin Garnett

Center
Dwight Howard

The above strikes do NOT deserve to be starters or even in the game   I think Stern should modify the eligibility requirements to play in the all star game. Ex. played at least 40 games etc

chiogo:
Oh yes!!!

I'm back people, anybody miss me, just a tiny bit?? damn!!!

the more Celtics fans the merrier! welcome back girl 

Do I really wanna comment on the Gabrielle Union/Dwayne Wade issue?? umm, I don't know.

Abeg jare lets stop wasting cyberspace on the above. There are better, smarter, lovelier ppl who are more deserving . . . .
and who was it that said Wade is fine?    abegi the guy is at best average, take away the clothes and money and he'll look just like the average Jamal.

This is what we get for not fixing the Eagles-Cards match in Phillys favor . . . there's no hype leading up to next weeks big game. Who the heck wants to see the Cards vs Steelers in the SB? there's nuthin sexy about this match-up & I'm bored already.

Infact espn has been covering the Cowboys travel & tardiness issues non-stop as I guess that is better news than the coming SB game. A-40 can you beg TO to say something controversial?

I'm with A-40 on this one, any physical beauty is immediately rendered useless when sucha woman is 'loose' and moreso a husband-snatcher. Moonstone common gurl, Gabrielle may have the looks but her character overshadows it by miles, kai "Industry Hoe"? what a title to carry around, I would be hiding my head in the sand.

Anyways while A-40 & Bawo are sortin out their picks, what are ppls pick for tonight game btw the Magic & the Celtics?? This should shed a lotta insight into match-up problems or advantages for both sides should they meet in the playoffs.

And did anyone notice Phoneix losing to the Knicks yesterday? one minute they look like playoff contenders, next they look like scrubs.

lol A-40, remind me to never get on your bad side

from the link:

3. Gabrielle Union, can you please vow not to be the industry “chick”…AKA…hoe this year? Kickin’ it with married dudes is not cool. Nuff said…

wow I never knew Gabrielle was like this oh _{*shaking my head*} what a shame.

davidylan:
That's the danger of being unseeded. Playing Gonzo in the first round is a huge task.

Absolutely. I saw the draw yesterday and shook my head anticipating the worst for Hewitt, its just plain bad luck. Least he stretched it to 5 sets.

Those Capris look like he's in top form nuthin must stand in the way of Rogy's 14th oh!

bawomolo:


http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/people/story/857913.html

wow . . . these allegations are just straight up nasty. She says she can prove everything too. there is nuthin more disgusting and repulsive to me than a man who cannot keep it in his pants

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=148652.msg3363471#msg3363471 date=1232417162]Sharrap there!! Nowitzki is better than the entire Bulls roster y'all should be in the D-League [/quote]Lol . . .

[quote author=lai-lai link=topic=148652.msg3363687#msg3363687 date=1232430928]they always lose consciousness on defence, i wonder when phil will correct this
kobe and lebron hav had similar performances, their supporting cast is likely to be the main difference i think[/quote]I'm seeing more n more that defense is not a skill that can be "taught", its either a player wants to play it or he doesn't. A good chunk of the lakers roster do not have the "defense gene".

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=148652.msg3363519#msg3363519 date=1232420185]@Jesoul
Your Celtics are heartless[/quote]just the way I like them    .
hehe nuthin worse than a bruised giant, that's what the Celtics are right now  I hope they stay bruised    the upcoming games are tough  @Miami, @ Orlando, vs Dallas, vs Sacramento, @ Detroit   

Orlando leading the NBA?. . . who woulda thot

LeBron vs Kobe tonight . . . what are your picks folks? I'm going to say Kobe will win this battle, I think Kobe is still the better clutch player as of right now.

And Pheonix makes a stop at the Garden, it should make for a very very entertaining game.

Eya Doyin sweetie here's a hug I don't care what anyone says, you're still my favorite NL psychic

bawomolo:
a-40 how are u watching this game. na so so 4th down. boring.

Indeed. I switched to the Simpsons before the half.
Now SB showdown is set: Steelers vs. Cardinals _{cardinals? what the hell? hell must be freezing over!}

bawomolo:
possible trade. shawn marion for jermain o'neal. what do yall think?

Stupid. Jermaine's best days are behind him, injuries upon injuries, he'll soon be out the league. What's the contract situation for both of them? that might explain why the Heat are considering this, to clear some cap.

bawomolo:
you are right, but what do you expect on a team with tank johnson, TO, pacman jones and roy williams? chemistry issues of course. you can't have TO on a team with no leaders. if guys like brian dawkins couldn't TO then who can.

Very very true.

You guys are right though that the Cowboys problems are 10-dimensional and simply dismissing TO is not going to solve the massive problems. Me I think Rom_eo (hehe ) will not amount to a clutch, championship QB, he just doesn't have that fire and drive. I just don't see it happening . . . you don't play that badly and then come n say its no big deal, they're more important things in life etc . . .

doyin13:
You guys know that debate we had earlier on over the best big man in the NBA. . . .

well, just shows how little you lot know, to forget Al Jefferson.

Forget Duncan, KG, Howard, Bynum, Ming whatever. . . .

Al Jefferson is the best big man in the NBA.

lol . . . Doyin sweetie, what are you smoking this early morning?

I don't think the Lakers should necessarily be panicking . The last couple games just show that they have real and serious competition for title, and that just becos they beat the Celtics doesn't mean the championship is guaranteed. They should be just as worried about the Cavs n Magic, the Celtics are just 1 beast from the east. The game on monday vs the Cavs will tell us a LOT.

But men these Magic have made a believer outta me, they sure ain't no fluke.

Moonstone, you see my issue with the Hornets? inconsistency. And the thing that bodes least well is that they have NO reason to be worse this yr than last yr. They have the same team, and even added a key player in Posey. As for the Spurs, they too play well then lose but I think come playoffs they'll be ready. & gurl don't feel too bad for the Celtics . . . even with this slump, we're still only 0.5 games outta 1st place

davidylan:
-Nadal always starts the season slow so i dont fancy him for this

-Djokovic is not the same anymore

-Lleyton can never win another slam

-Gasquet will go down as one of the greatest tennis disappointments

Kai! see prophet of doom     

  For purely sentimental reasons, I'm going with Federer to pick up #14. The express needs to regain some of its lost steam 

wow chicago's actually up on Cleveland . . . Bawo must be proud

[quote author=lai-lai link=topic=148652.msg3347462#msg3347462 date=1232069969]never argued abt carter of today, wat me and A-40 were arguin about b4 was how we would rate his career
i jst used him to make a joke[/quote]I know sweetie I recall quite comedically how you and 40 went back and forth on the subject

marbury news seems to hav died down

the dude is just being stubborn. He doesn't want to accept a buyout that is a cent less than his full contract lol . . . I think he'll break down eventually since I'm sure he'd like to play again this yr with another team.

btw, jesoul,do u support israel's actions (4rm ur location)

My brotha that one na story for another thread oh . . .

[quote author=lai-lai link=topic=148652.msg3347193#msg3347193 date=1232064292]jesoul, you and this celts bench
i might as well go join them to improve the team's bench contribution, abi? btw why did u people hav to embarass carter like that (A-40 will feel he was right nau in our prev argumnt. . . .lol)[/quote]lol I've been singing it since the begining of the season and that yeye Wade was telling me we were fine . . . where's his sorry behind? Ainge needs to pull of a big one to pad our soft bench.
p.s. everyone knows Carters time has come and gone

lakers: i tot fisher is the most experienced of the lot

He still is. Just made a really bone-header foul.

i'm waitin for the latest mavs rant(A-40) after another home loss, never new gerald green was this wack, fooled me with his dunks. . . . paul faced the now aged triple-double master and delivered 33pts, 11assts, 10 rebs and 7 stls , what else can one do again?. . . . . . . .where's moonstone

hehe he fooled us in Boston for a good couple of seasons until the front office realized better and traded him.
and oh A-40 is indeed our resident comedian those rants are just priceless sometimes

Anybody watching the Bulls-Cavs game? I smell a blowout . . . switching to Smallville . . .

Sources: Dallas may release Owens: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3833575

After some of the things said in the article, I think the Cowboys MUST let TO go, cos if he comes back all hell is gon' break loose in Dallas.

bawomolo:
anywhere here are my picks

cardinals over eagles .

ravens over steelers

Going against the grain huh? I'm rooting for Philly to go all the way and Donovan to finally get the respect he deserves for being such a class act all thru his career.

bawomolo:
that last play by the lakers was awful, kobe knows better than passing to ariza the last seconds of the game. it seems kobe just likes to mess with his teammate minds. usually kobe settle's for the three and not pass to an offensively deficient player.

The Spurs trap-defended Kobe on that play, passing the ball was the right move, but vujacic or fisher should have been the player ready to recieve and shoot (not drive) cos they should have known the Spurs would defend kobe vigorously.

I blame the loss on Fisher's boneheaded foul that resulted in a 3-pt play, and Mason is really making a name for himself with all these game winning shots.

But then, the Lakers were down 11pts 4mins into the Q, the Spurs LET them come back into the game with turn overs. Ginobili was just sick . . . men I'd give a liver to see a bench player like that on the celtics roster

Nevertheless it means no one who 'believes' in or 'commits' to Christ and then 'doubts', reflecting on the world behind him, is worthy of serving God.

I think it should be more than self-explanatory to those who are not up to mischief

duduspace:
Na yu dey look am with Toronto eye, what is so difficult to understand in the statement? are people always logical?
Why do some women (and men too to satisfy the women's lib folks) still cling to cheating boyfriends and lovers even when they are aware of their unfaithfulness?
that is my point exactly, Christianity in itself is largely illogical.

Abeg na Boston eye I get, don't get it twisted homeboy  .
Anyways, David explained your point a bit clearer. Me still thinks its an oxymoron, and anyone who distrusts the bible YET still holds on just in case it might be true is a mo____.
Why not free yourself from the gospel shackles? holding on just-in-case it might turn out to be true? your foot is in the doorway & your heart is already outside and you still think you have a shot at winning the musical chairs?
Luke 9:62
Jesus replied, "No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.".

Would you leave a mad man in the streets to persist in his hallucinations? (I almost forgot, they do that a lot in Nigeria or even lynch and kill them when they talk rubbish in their deluded state).

But oga we are not "men in the streets", dressed in rags and dada and foam coming out the sides of our mouths. We are not pitiful and lost and hopeless. We are fine, happy, functioning citizens of our different countries  _{and please don't bring up the scoundrels and wolves in sheeps clothing choir robes masquerading as men of god in nigeria as your counter attack}

lol . . . could the logic have been so easy I didn't get it? I get that they're thinking "well this might turn out to be true". . .   but still makes little sense to me.

I still find it very hard to understand why anyone if outright they distrust the bible and are increasingly skeptical about its authenticity and don't believe it was meant to be taken literally, why still bother to follow or believe any of it    

 Now a half-baked 'christian' who lives how they want with a deliberate self-inflicted ignorance of Jesus' commandments, that I understand. They know the truth but love sin. But the love-hate-maybe-it'll-be-true people are missing some bolts upstairs  

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=148652.msg3340691#msg3340691 date=1231961821]@lai-lai
Pitiful does not begin to describe those wimps! Poor Nowitzki had to drop 44 pts and it still wasn't enough i can't remember when last we got spanked on a regular basis by Denver! and they did it without Melo and are now 3-0 against the Mavs so far i am expecting another ass whooping in the hands of the Hornets tonight i don't just see how they would survive Chris Paul and Dave West and i would be pleasantly suprised if they did[/quote]Kai A-40 take am easy on dem boys I heard rumors of a trade up Cuban's sleeve, but that Howard was becoming less n less "tradable" how true are these grapevine rumors?

ah ah oga Bindex, abi na Rolex    don't jump the gun now  . Lets just be patient & wait for time to expose the truly deluded ones. Don't worry e won't be long eh .

davidylan:
I have no problem with your deductions, i just wonder why if christianity is full of "unverified beliefs", "confusion" and "varying expert analysis" you bother so so much with it.

 na the same question wey I just ask am.

Oga Dudu,
 

duduspace:
Well, maybe they are increasingly losing confidence in the bible and its various contradictions and about turns but still afraid of living in the uncertainty of not knowing what the future holds.

your statement here no fit stand at all.
They have decreasing faith in the bible YET hold on to it cos they're afraid of the future? An oxymoron at its best. Where did you buy this logic from? Oshodi market?  

Please note that the bible teaches nothing, rather it is people who make up whatever they want from the bible which is nothing more than an historic account of the emergence of the jewish people (an account whose validity is increasingly being questioned) and the musings of those you could term their philosophers and thinkers. The bible does not teach that Jesus is God in flesh, Jesus and his disciples did that.

Wow, see opinion masquerading as fact.
Well this is what you believe and your entitled to whatever rocks your boat brotha. But I ask again since christianity is such a delusion, why don't you just leave us to persist in our hallucinations? we're quite happy to be narrow-minded about the Lordship and Godship of our master Jesus Christ. Infact all of us servants, doctors, scientists, bricklayers, housemaids, senators that dare to believe in Jesus are entranced in a fantasy that we beg not to be awoken from.

 Time will soon point out with unmistakable precision and accuracy which lot of us was truly deluded  .

Maybe we should make a topic for this cos I don't want to derail this thread.

Anyways, I said nobody "hurts" more than me, not weeps. Those are 2 very different things. Isreal is justified in the attack, but I regret the loss of innocent lives. That's what I meant. What about the cowardly "freedom fighters" hiding behind women & children? using them as human shields so they can run crying to the UN about "Isreal killing women & children".

Lemme ask you: if you have a bank robbery with 2 armed robbers - do you send only 2 cops to the bank to get them? So all this proportional talk needs to stop. There's no such thing, Isreal should not apologize for being stronger, larger and more powerful cos if Hamas had the chance they would nuclear bomb their behinds back to the stone age.

I don't think any person with a knowledge of history expects the fighting to ever stop. They've been fighting since the earth was young, they will continue until the earth passes away. I stay on the side of common sense: Hamas stop rocketing Isreal, Isreal will stop the attack.

But of course, common sense is not trait particular to most practitioners of the "religion of peace".

_{oga Wac lets open another thread if you still wish to question the morality of my current location}

  *ending offtopic, I promise*