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busybein:
hahahahhahah u no well, I'm already yoked ojare

i need more proof,david has not really convinced me alot

lol . . . then I'm sure you know better than us 'unyoked' that marriage na real lockdown . Anyways if you have loose time, read and do some research on the matter, lots of online resources. I'm sure you'll understand all drama we've been trying to say the past 3 pages    

busybein:
if pauls opinion was just an opinion or was not so important i don't think it should be in d bible

ah ah David has already gone over this now 


Peroxide & Busy if you're not careful I'll YOKE the two of you together   

H2O2:
My dear, "associating with" is still a notable form of "bond or unity", which is what you described earlier as "yoking".

. . . hehe according only to Peroxide    

I spend time with my unsaved friends, I associate with them, we hang out occasionally, I might go to their birthday party or their graduation, they might come to my house for dinner. I love them and as long as I'm not falling away, I associate with them.
Look at what it says in just the previous chapter:
"I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world."

There is nuthin wrong with "associating" with unbelievers. But will I marry them? no. That will be to yoke myself. Dost thou not see this difference?  

H2O2:
Thanks.
Moreover, if we look more closely at 2 Corinthians 6 verses 14:17 it states

14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?
15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[a]? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."
17 [b]"Therefore come out from them
     and be separate, says the Lord.

Look very well at verse 17 where you are commanded to "come out from them and be separate".  Is this not in contradiction with 1 Corinthians where you are [b]commanded not to divorce him (if you are willing to live with him)?[/b] And also in contradiction with Matthew 19:9 where fornication is the allowable grounds for divorce?

Bingo. and this is why David took the time to highlight that that specific portion in 1 Cor7 Paul painstakingly highlighted that that bit was "his personal opinion" not a direct command. Because often situations are not always black and white, every marriage circumstance is unique and Paul was giving his advice there.

busybein:
it wasnt,the members of d church in corinth,were getting associated wt idolaters,and that was why paul gave that scripture,marriage is not found in that context

Honey, "associating with" is VERY different from "yoking with". By your standard Jesus was in the wrong becos he frequently 'associated' with sinners.

busybein:
@david

ok,let say i accept it,but my prob is why r we trying to make it happen only in marriage?why not in our general life?

It is evident that members of the church were participating with pagans in some of their rituals,hence that scripture,correct me if I'm wrong?

it wasnt talking about marriage alone,was it?

You're right, it wasn't just marriage alone. But any situation where you 'join' or 'unite' yourself with an unbeliever.

busybein:
i don't know,maybe we should ask paul that gave both scriptures

Exactly Busy. Paul would not contradict himself like that. The problem therefore is with our interpretation of the two verses.
Hang with me for a sec here:

If you say marriage with a non-christian is permitted using verses 12-16 then you get a contradiction with verse 39.
but if you say that the situation in 12-16 is where one converts during marriage then you get no problem reconciling that with vs 39. Hope this makes sense.

H2O2:
Of course, because in your opinion marriage is the tightest yoke 2 people can have, it[yoke] should not be applied just as uniformly, and strictly, in our other dealings

Okay Peroxide , what in your opinion would qualify as a "yoke" between 2 people?

lol . . . okay if you prefer:

Stay away from people who are not followers of the Lord! Can someone who is good get along with someone who is evil? Are light and darkness the same? Is Christ a friend of Satan? Can people who follow the Lord have anything in common with those who don't? Do idols belong in the temple of God? We are the temple of the living God, as God himself says, "I will live with these people

  I think that bible version is even 'harsher'. The KJV is the oldest and 'purest' of the bible versions, and it uses "yoke".

H2O2:
Okay Jesoul, since you want to get technical, are you insinuating that joining, bonding, uniting etc only occur in marriage situations

Of course not, it can be in business ventures, collaborations etc . . . But marriage is the tightest yoke 2 people can ever share. If you don't consider marriage a yoke then I don't know what else qualfies.

Okay Busy, if you don't want to see 2 Cor as regarding marriage though YOKE means to join, bond, link, unite etc . . . then that's your perogative.

What about my other question?

JeSoul:
Busy,
  you did not answer the simple questions I asked you:

- In verse 39 it says explicity a woman must marry a christian: "A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord."

>>>>  Do tell me why marriage with a non-christian will be allowed in verse 12 but not in verse 39? <<<<

H2O2:
I don't see why they don't generalize that passage to everday life, but then want to nitpick it when it comes to bonding and the married life.

Because it says do not YOKE yourself. Yoke means to join, bond, unite etc. . . Duh.

Busy,
   you did not answer the simple questions I asked you:

- In verse 39 it says explicity a woman must marry a christian: "A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord."

>>>>  Do tell me why marriage with a non-christian will be allowed in verse 12 but not in verse 39? <<<<

  And please give us your interpretation of 2 Cor 6
  Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols?
Gracias.

davidylan:
Its important to note this in 1 Cor 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord:

So we know Paul was giving his own opinion not God's perfect will. I think we shld also note that God has both a perfect and a permissible will . . .

God's perfect will is stated very simply - 2 Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

It is pertinent to note that the bible does not continously hammer on a subject unless it were important . . .

- why was the bible specific about the women Cain married?

- what was it about Esau's wives that displeased his parents and why was Jacob specifically ordered to marry from a certain people?

- Why was Abraham so concerned about who Isaac would marry?

- Why did Moses command that jews not marry foreign women?

- Why did Ezra command the putting away of foreign wives during the rededication of the temple?

- what was it about Solomon's wives that God was not pleased with?

- Why did Balak show Balaam the jews with foreign wives as an excuse to curse them?

. . . and many many more examples . . . it is worth considering why the bible talks so endlessly about marriage. Surely there must be more to it than simply hanging on to 1 Cor 7:12.

Thanks for pointing those out. Busy refuses to look at 2 Cor 6 as definitive word from God about marriage and unions in general between christians and non-christians.

JJYOU:
many thanks

Busy,
  pardon the question but are you a christian?

busybein:
@jesoul

not completely true,it did not say "2" unbelievers,rather it was talking about "1" ,one marrying an unbeliever and d unbeliever wanting to live wt that person, read it again

read it clearly again,for it also said the unbeliever is been sanctified by d other believing partner,so my dear,there is a misquotation smwhere

You're choosing to read that verse in colored glasses. It starts off by saying: "If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her".
- "If a brother has a wife" . . . It is already established here that the two people are already married. Not that the brother is going to get a wife who is not christian.

- Furthermore if you read down to the 2nd last verse in the chapter, it says a woman must marry a christian: "A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord."

  Do tell me why God will allow marriage with a non-christian in verse 14 but not in verse 39?

hope u don't have unbelievers has friends?if so,please stay away from them

lol . . . I have tons of non-christian friends whom I love dearly and pray for them to attain a saving knowledge of Christ.
But will I "YOKE" myself with them? No. Will I join their hand in marriage? No. Please take a sec & look up the dictionary definition of "Yoke".
You did not give your interpretation of 2 Cor 7 about not being unequally yoked with unbelievers, care to explain what that verse means?

cox u r beginning to mis understand d bible,if we r not to get along wt them,then how can we preach to them into converting and worshipiing d God that we serve

d last time i checked,pastors stil preach to prostitutes till date,pastors preach to native doctors,so wats ur point dear?

And if you've read my other responses you'll see that I've said several times now, marriage with the world is where you draw the line. Where did I say we should not get along with them? 
There's nothing wrong with being friends with, witnessing to, associating with, sharing things with our friends from the world. That's what Jesus did while He was here. Marriage (and other yoke-type situations) is where the bible says NO. Simple.

bawomolo:
i heard the rockets have tranquilizers in case artest has an outburst

it would be interesting to see if starbury can be a teamplayer, well it's going to be fun watching eddie house and starbury fighting for shots he he

lol . . . we'll see how Doc distributes the shots. But if Starbury is really brought in, he'll immediately become the #1 offensive option off the bench.

doyin13:
see as the Celts dey flounder sha. . . .

From chasing the all time season wins record, they are now jawing with
themselves as much as they face off with the officials.

Losing to the Knicks. . . . now that is just taking the biscuits

Oh well. . . . . .Steph coming too the rescue

BUHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yep na real flounder indeed. . . . the defensive intensity has waned. Long term they still look aight but . . . they need to win games against lesser opponents such as the NY bricks.

*rubbing my palms together in an evil fashion ready to rip Rikky apart*   

rikkyjen:
It was fun while it lasted, i go dey see una next season as my team has been bundled out.

Hehehe, its time to join the loosers gang of JeSoul, A-40, Bawomolo and sit on the fence to start dishing yabbis and pouring sand in other teams garri. Thats kuku the norm here, if ur team is out, make sure u start casting pessimism on other peoples team. 

What a crude way for 'em "Mrs Chargers" to end my chest-beating, mouthful bragging, Yorubaman shakara-like analysis and "I told you" commentaries on this weblog!

Meanwhile, IT IS OVER!!!!!!!!!, So ITS GLOATING TYME. JeSoul- my resident diagnostic NFL shrink would come in and start yarning opaks with her yeye post-mortem analysis.

The worst thing in the Colts losing a game is not the pain but listening to JeSoul afterwards!

    LOL . . .

Eya Rikky, I'll have some mercy. It's 2009, I'm going to turn over a new leaf and stop dishing out e-smacks on your Colts . . .


























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lol . . .  wetin I tell you last time? say all gloating must come to an end  . This should be a lesson not to incur the hatorade of a Patriots fan, our Jazz strong pass your own . and next yr, Oga kpatata will be back aka Brady and will restore some order to the AFC east  miami winning the division? what the heck? 
. . .  eya I feel _small pity for you sha   

So it's over, ngwa? hehehe. Indianapolis are now the official wives of the Chargers in playoff games. How can they bundle us out in 2 consecutive seasons? Na yam or potato?

So Indianapolis "Mrs Chargers" Colts go bounce next year though

LOL . . .    for real.
Honestly I expected the Colts to win. I had written off the Chargers for dead a long time ago _{though A-40 warned me not to do so} So who you dey support now you've joined the "our team is out" club?

bawomolo:
welcome to the club rikky, the only team left to lose is the philadelphia eagles.

https://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g152/BigDFan5/EagleTrophy-1.jpg

ROTFLOL . . . Bawo where do you get these pictures from? lol . . . Donovan might put you to shame this yr if you no careful.

doyin13:
Eyin Eyan mi. . .

why na. . . . . come rejoice with me jo



Bawo. . . .I bet you are sitting there watching,
so happy for me.

hehe I am rejoicing jare . . . at least the Eagles are a real threat to the evil Giants. May they prevail against their enemies!
But Bawo this means no McNabb in Chi-town next season . . . lol ya'll gon get some more servings of Orton and Rexy

Lady and others who were a bit mystified by my last response, from a strictly biblical perspective, let me break it down (though TV01 already did much justice to it):

Marriage between Christian and Christian = Biblical & Good

Marriage between Christian and non-christian = Unbiblical and bad

Marriage between non-christian and non-christian = Fine, since they're not followers of the bible, they're not bound by its laws

Marriage between 2 non-christians (fine), then ONE converts[b] DURING [/b] the marriage = Fine, as along as the "unbelieving partner" wants to stay. Which is the situation 1 Corinthians 7:12-16 is speaking about.


Lady,
you say the bible doesn't explicitly say "don't marry a non-christian. Just outta curiosity, how do YOU interpret the verses below & what is your interpretation of "Yoked together"? :

2 Cor 6
  Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."

  The CEM version puts it this way:
Are light and darkness the same? Is Christ a friend of Satan? Can people who follow the Lord have anything in common with those who don't? Do idols belong in the temple of God?

busy,

   perhaps you should read it first . . . that situation is for if one spouse converts to christianity DURING the marriage.

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=212713.msg3292214#msg3292214 date=1230793362]Sorry about that, but I was replying to one post, and I wanted you to go into more detail, majority of the time when I ask questions, it's not for me but for those who are reading and are too lazy to pick up the Bible and read and pray and all that. I like it when people are detailed about things so as not to confuse others. But I see you took care of that. Good job.

Now after reading your explanations, I agree to a certain extent, and the extent being I know muslims that have become Christians through marriage, and I think they are worth it. Their families have also become Christians, well some of them. I don't think one soul should be written off just like that.[/quote]No probs. You're not the only one who found my response to be terse. Joe was concise in his question and so was I. I saw no need to dive into 'waters' he had not brought up.
No sensible christian will say that we are not to associate with the world. The simple point here is that a christian should not marry a non-christian. Its different if one converts during the marriage, the biblical directives are different for that situation.

Happy New Yr by the way . and just one tip, the trick to dealing with Alhaji is to just take everything he says with a light-hearted approach.

bawomolo:
lol T-mac needs to be bubble wrapped before going on the court.

ROTFLOL . . . is that bubble wrap for protection from the game or from Artest when he snaps?

I hear say Starbury might be getting a locker in the Celtics clubhouse . . . I have mixed feelings. Forgetting I've despised him over the years, we need the scoring from him coming off the bench, but men I hope its not at the cost of team chemistry. No worries though, KG can take him down anyplace, anytime.

A very Happy New Year to all the fellas in the house . . . _{I think all the ladies have abandoned ship} I pray this year brings nothing but the very best to you all.

Let the games begin . . . the Rookie of the Yr has my full blessings to make a dream flight all the way to the SB. But should they falter, I can settle for the Titans. Anything but the evil Giants

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=212713.msg3290927#msg3290927 date=1230745501]This is the problem when the scripture is misinterpreted. It causes division. If we are to be unequally yoked with a non-christian as you interpret it to be, then none of us should have friends that are non-christian. What will you do if your sister becomes a musim? Cut her off your family? What is it's your mum? Will you now dishonor her and break a commandment of God because she has become a mulsim?[/quote]You're funny. Joe asked a very simple question about marriage to a muslim. I answered with the scriptures that God says its a no-no. You're then stretching my reply to apply to an entirely different situation saying "scripture is misrepresented".

please see my response to Cayon as its obvious you did not read the rest of my responses on the thread:

JeSoul:
Glad to hear that.
  My dear "reaching out" is very very different from "getting married to". Joe[b] specifically asked about marriage[/b], and I specifically answered about marriage.
If he (as the spirit leads) wants to stay friends with her and witness to her and teach her about Christ, that would a noble and godly thing. I'm not advocating seclusion from the world, else how can we witness to them about Jesus? I'm saying marriage with the world is a total NO as the bible teaches.

  You mention pros n cons - when it comes to the question Joe asked there is no grey area, no pro or con, nuthin to be expanded on or explained. The bible is explicitly clear that a christian should not marry an unbeliever.

  Now if we want to talk about 2 christians, one strong one weak, then we can talk about pros n cons or tackle scriptures that talk about what approach to take etc. BUT when it comes to christian vs nonchristian - there is no debate to be had.

Kobojunkie:
Read and learn wise words @Princekevo. It will go along way in helping you let go of those self-imposed shackles of yours.

lol . . .  the thing tire me. The way everyone likes to go on and on about America this and America that, America is greedy, they only serve their selfish interest etc . . . then I ask them:

  which country on the face of the planet does not serve its own selfish interests? Which country goes around the world helping other nations out of the goodness of their hearts? the same countries that accuse America are themselves guilty of worse sins - case in point the middle eastern nations, they receive no sympathy from me until they stop marrying off 8yr olds and stoning women to death who were raped by no fault of theirs.

And Nigeria too, until they stop celebrating corrupt leaders and turning a blind eye to the attrocities against "child witches", what gives us the right to talk smack or say jack about America?  talk about a log in your eye and pointing at anothers speck.

Professor Igor needs to lay off the weed

I love it! love it!! love it!!!    

@post,
This doesn't suprise me anymore. The middle easterners will cry foul from morning to night about the west and America as evil nations, yet look at how they treat their own women and children useless perverts who have reserved for them the hotest part of hell.

[quote author=sleek_p link=topic=211505.msg3274246#msg3274246 date=1230376882]America only gets involved if the situation threatens oil flow.[/quote]and what's wrong with that? A govt's primary concern is for her ppl and the country's welfare. God did not anoint America the world's police. People need to stop with this America bashing.

How come you didn't say Russia or England or China did not get involved?

KarmaMod:
shouldnt the normal thing be to see if she's willing to convert/accept Jesus Christ?

Instead of just saying "No I can't have anything to do with you"?

Then they would be "accepting Christ" for all the wrong reasons. This would hardly be a genuine conversion & this is not how christianity works.

You don't "accept Christ" becos it'll adjust your marital status.

Cayon:
No you are not. You have every right to voice your opinion whether i agree or not. Much respect

Glad to hear that.

One more General question: Seeing that we cannot control who to fall in love with (my opinion) Do you believe in this bible verse where the Bible encourages Christians to reach out to non-believers? If yes, can't Joe convince his girl to be a Christian rather than you blatanly say "you cannot be unequally "yoked".

My dear "reaching out" is very very different from "getting married to". Joe[b] specifically asked about marriage[/b], and I specifically answered about marriage.
If he (as the spirit leads) wants to stay friends with her and witness to her and teach her about Christ, that would a noble and godly thing. I'm not advocating seclusion from the world, else how can we witness to them about Jesus? I'm saying marriage with the world is a total NO as the bible teaches.

We cannot control who we fall in love with? girl, no christian who is filled with the spirit will "fall in love" with a person who does not have the spirit of Christ! Perhaps you might be attracted to them and have love for them, but to unite yourself in marriage with one who is not of Christ is akin to suicide. With all the divorces today we should know that "falling in love" as the sole reason for marriage is the height of immaturity.

This is my personal point of view. You know why, Jehovah witnesses, SDA, Muslims, Black Jews etc are growing rapidly? because they are out there "Seeking souls". They don't just quote a scripture and "walk off". They give you a verse and they "marinate" it with all the "spices and "seasoning" they have.

I find a lot of pentecostals, methodists, Catholics are just quoting scriptures not able to explain the pros and cons

No love lost

Well the bible's opinion on that is because the world will get more and more evil - increasingly people will follow after the wrong gods - not just because christians aren't witnessing right.

  You mention pros n cons - when it comes to the question Joe asked there is no grey area, no pro or con, nuthin to be expanded on or explained. The bible is explicitly clear that a christian should not marry an unbeliever.

  Now if we want to talk about 2 christians, one strong one weak, then we can talk about pros n cons or tackle scriptures that talk about what approach to take etc. BUT when it comes to christian vs nonchristian - there is no debate to be had.

Father we thank you for our brother Dele, we thank you for keeping his life and bringing him into the fellowship of light. Father, your word says that any who lacks wisdom should ask of you who gives without finding fault. So now we pray that you lavish Dele with wisdom from above. Open his heart to the power of your word, let your Holy Spirit fill his life and direct him into all things. Let your wisdom give him godly discernment to know and approve what Your will is in his life. We pray that you use his life as a testimony of your greatness. We pray these things in the name of your holy Son, Jesus Christ. Amen.

Onyinye, be like say you just found your computer last wk . . . we've been looking for you all season long

Doyin,
no mind these ppl jare, I would like that conference thingy. I will be watching every playoff game I can . . . someone has to ensure the Giants are basked in enuff hatorade and bad vibes and I shall be volunteering for the job

hehe . . . you know I learned from the master Damus himself