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away4real:
Then on the second.

Agreed no matter what the extreme right says i for one will always be against it, but that doesnt mean i wont consider the veracity or falsity of the claims. Both camps will always talk and as u said its all about the morals and perception. You stated a key point politicians stand on issues informs u of his morals. The right has ruled so much because of this perception of morals they propagate and every reasonable man likes a man with morals.

To be honest each party touts themselves as things they're not. Democrats say they're "for the people" Republicans say they're "good people" it's all lies and like you say 'propaganda'. There are good, bad and terrible politicians on both sides.

Who says a Liberal or the democrats has no morals because of his views on choice or can't protect America because of their positions so that media war will go on, the left has long been out done, they will need to do more.

Perhaps its just my perception but I'll rather trust my safety to a McCain than an Obama. It seems to me dems have a kool-aid view foreign relations, to me they seem soft and to eager to kiss and hug everyone in the world. Islamic fascists will hate the west no matter how much "dialogue" or "talking" is done - it's just a fact of life, they want to kill us and will not stop trying. And since you're a christian, you understand that Hagars seed will be forever at war with his brothers. Muslims hate Jews, christians and everything we stand for - this will never change.

Please on the Roe vs Wade sweetie don't be decieved at all. Theres more at stake in this election than a lot know, in the next 4 years there might be room to appint 4 Judges and adding that to what is on ground now, a lot can change. I don't see that Judgement changing but the issue is that the legal climate can change and who knows with the kind of ideology vibrating of the McCain camp its scary.

It can change, but the likelihood of that is the same as the likelihood of my winning the lottery (keep in mind I don't even play it).

Then on Palin agreed this singular action of her daughter should not be used to access her qualification as VP, as kids are more likely to go against their parents guidance, parents can only trust that bring up your child in the way he should go when he is old he wont depart, thats only what parents can hold on to.

The point pro-Palin'ers have been trying to make! and Lets not get into the hundreds of events I was a participant of that my parents would scream at if they knew

The issue is on the positions she takes, she definately has some major accomplishements for her to have come this far and credit to her. But as VP now what Martin Luther  King called the "urgency of now", another extremist bush kind of views wont cut,  another Cheeney only younger and pretty would be disaster. They stand for more of the the same things.

lol . . . make you no compare vibrant, lively Palin to trigger-happy Cheney! one is gorgeous the other is just gorey.
By the way, most of her 'extremist' views happen to christian views so I have no beef with that! I support the death penalty, right to bear arms, pro-life etc. Which of her views exactly ain't you 'feelin'?

On one key position she takes, the result of failure started from her own house. Its only unfortunate thats its her daughter, its the failure of her policies for me that doesnt make her qualified

I don't really get this statement.
How does her daughters choice to have sex =  a failure in Palin's policy?
Like Kobo stated earlier then you can also say that God's laws for abstinence for christians is also a failure! becos some christians obviously don't obey this law.

Besides this is such a small and largely insignificant issue; abstinence vs. contraception vs sex education, it is probably ranked problem #245 in the list of America's most pressing problems, this thing has been blown, stretched n re-blown way out of proportion. It is not a big deal at all.

away4real:
Enjoying this debate where do i start.

Let me start with what i think on your first post before i take the issue of Palin.

I agree that abortion and war are 2 different issues and wont attempt to mix them up.

My arguement is this, being Pro life shouldnt only affect views on abortion or when life starts. It should also affect when it can end, and how it should be preserved. Then if i take a pro life stand then i should be extremely careful when i choose to send troops in harms way to die. You talked about the Iraq war i share your sentiments, it was unjustified. The arguement goes beyond that, what are the views on how life is preserved and nutured health care, then how is that pursued.

I see your point. I do hold that one who is pro-choice should also have just as much reservations about jumping into a war as well.

I agree with you am a christain, born again and my beliefs are guided and inspired by the bible,

it's always great to 'meet' a fellow saint

but i know i have fallen short once or twice so i know it happens. Keeping a child like in d case u mentioned (rape) and to me it extends but i will leave it at that. I shouldnt be instrumental to ensuring that people don't have the choice to do what they want to, i can show them the options but also ensure they have options.

Oh by no means do I support aborting pregnancies due to rape. I'm simply saying I would perfectly understand why a woman would want to do it. I have less 'understanding' though for those who got pregnant due to lack of common sense or self-control.

On tax and all, theres no hatred on rich folks, but theres inequality and perceived bias when u cut dividend income tax and cut personal income at maybe d same rate or dividend income even more, (i don't have Bush's figures) the impact is felt more on the salary earner. Warren Buffet explained this when he said his secretary pays more tax than him in propotionate terms, ie tax as a percentage of what he earns, and hes not a salary earner.

I don't have the exact figures either from Bush's policy and I am aware of the breaks he awarded the rich n corps. In general, I have a strong aversion to the seeming hatred most democrats have towards rich people. I believe everyone should be taxed the same percentage, if you cut tax for one grp, cut it for all; increase for one, increase for all.
But if you think about it, in the history of the world, taxes have steadily increased, it is not about to change with Obama or McCain.

Finally on the bankrutsy, Dems manage the economy better example clinton and history shows that, I believe President Clinton was lucky and takes more credit than he deserves but credit to the guy he left the US in a surplus.

I dunno if I can say Dems as a whole are better economists. Perhaps they can spend better becos they have more money becos they tax more? Fiscal responsibility and curbing wasteful govt spending don't seem to be major talking points coming from the Obama camp, two things that are very important to me.

-Imagine the Massachusetts governor, a democrat, first thing he does when he gets into office is to buy a brand new Cadillac and he pimped it.
-Sarah Palin gets into office n turned down the private governors jet, saying it was a waste of money and sold it and gave the money back.
If it had been the mass gov, he woulda put rims on the plane
My point is that these seperate actions speaks volumes about the kind of person in question. Economic savvy varies from Dem to Rep.

away4real:
I always get the same response on blogs from republicans, if i wasnt a Liberal i know i definatley wont lean towards the right, their arguements can't be presented clearly, its always clouded.

Actually if you look at both camps Dems & Reps, usually they regurgitate whatever talking points they hear on the news or read on blogs and reiterate them over n over, usually without stopping to think if they make sense or not.

The other day Obama sated the arguement clearly this preganancy has helped shaped it in reality[b]."if we can't agree on abortion at least we can agree on keeping teenage pregnancy down".[/b] So why should the arguement be shaped as simply pro life or pro choice, when does life start. When its not quite simple, personalities and behavioural patters affect societies that people face problems everyday they didnt plan for so what happens when it comes.

You know this is one statement that I can agree with 100%.
Whoever the incoming president will be, he will not have the power to overturn Roe vs. Wade anyways. I don't think at any time America will revert to pro-life. So for me the politicians stand on an issue is simply to inform me of his/her morals n beliefs - because they cannot bring to pass 95% of the promises they make anyways.

I do not see though why you think Palin's daughter is an issue.
Her daughter is NOT the one running for office. Her daughter has never been on the political frontlines. Why should the daughters choice reflect on Palin's qualification to be VP? ignoring every other major accomplishment, and applaudable deed the Gov has done, people are choosing to dwell solely on this pregnancy and dismiss Palin as unfit. It makes no sense to me.

@ Jeseoul thanks for your response.

You are more than welcome.

away4real:
Thanks Jeseoul, my question was do u lean towards the right if you do attempt to respond to that post of sean.

I'm neither Rep nor Dem but my general philosophies do tend to lean toward the right. I don't speak for Reps since I'm not one but I'll try indulge you concerning Sean's post .

Its simple, The republicans do not practice what they preach.

1. The Republicans are Pro- Life yet they support the war.

Abortion and war are two seperate issues that Sean is attempting to make one. I support declarations of war when it is justified (the Iraq war wasn't) in order to protect a people . . . does this mean I don't value human life? and I'm being a hypocrite? of course not.

2. They say they do not want the government to be involved in People lives but yet enforce the patriot act.

I'm not a big fan of the Patriot Act either, I don't like to be spied on but I can understand the pros and cons of it.

3. They accuse Dem's of being spendthrifts but yet cause the country to be bankrupt.

Whether or not the country is broke, the fact is Dems are historically notorious for their spending. So if the Reps are bad right now, I can imagine how much worse it woulda been under a Dem rule.

4. They support the wealthy by cutting taxes on the rich

I support cutting taxes for everyone. However I don't understand the anger and hate spewed by the Dems on rich people. What have rich people done wrong? Shouldn't they also be allowed to keep their hard-earned money? why should they be taxed harsher than poor people? why should they be penalized just cos they're rich?

5. They believe in freedom but yet try to push the Christian beliefs on everyone. What ever happen to Religion being left out of politics. Didn't Jesus say "“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”

I don't believe in pushing my beliefs on anyone at all. BUT the fact that I am a christian it is only common sense that my morals will be based on and inspired by the bible. and it is the same bible that teaches to live at peace with everyone. For example I'm pro-life, but if a woman got raped n didn't want to keep the baby, who is anyone to force her to do so?

away4real:
This was quite early enough in the debate so i don't get the "tired of trying", anyway if thats the way you feel. And why do i care, I really don't, its a debate if u choose to answer or not, will not give me a pass to the federal reserve. I just saw this thread and scanned through and noticed that no one answerd those questions.

In addition Jeseoul please if u lean towards the right, please can u respond to the question.

_{*comes back from behind the scenes watching the debate*}
what's the question?

Kobojunkie:
I asked why you care cause you seem to put so much weight in wanting to know if I lean towards the right and yet again I see you asking if @Jesoul leans towards the right. Anywho, I believe the reason is cause the logic behind the questions is warped and so I instead thought it best to leave the person to his/her beliefs rather than spend my own time trying to help the person understand why and how it is warped thinking.

I understand Kobo's frustration. Not too many people can be honest, reasonable and levelheaded in a discussion and keep their emotions from clouding their judgement.

Angela Jolie's - Lara Croft - Tomb Raider  (crashing tombs, going all round the world, solving mysteries, she's the man!)

Jean-Gray- X-Men   (think of all that unlimited power to control people and things   )

Jennifer Garner - CIA agent Sidney Bristol - The tv series Alias  (What is cooler than being a spy? and being able to do anything? go anywhere?  

FBI Special Agent Scully - X-Files  

bilymuse:
Do you people know how much they invested into the senatorial project:

Day and night they visit babalawo, drink all sort of concoction and perform bizarre rituals. Bribe INEC officials, police , thugs etc. Share family supports to various people and do deals with the godfathers.

Give and take, they need to recoup some of their investment.

LOL . . . you no well!

@topic,
anyways I can see how this is a goodwill gesture by the Italians towards Libya, and it is commendable. I don't see the British following suit anytime soon cos if they were to pony up the dough how many countries did they colonize? a good portion of west Africa. So that's at least $5bn X ____. I don't think they have that kind of money lying around . . . esp since the queen was asking for funds to fix up the palace months back and they turned her down .

RE:  Why Hasn't The Uk Paid It's Former Colonies Back Yet?
    Na that one you dey wait for? 

Even if they paid, do you think the average nigerian will get a taste of 1 kobo? They will share the money right there on the floor of Yar'adua's crib in Aso Rock.

FifiO:
Share a Thot

The Rich Young Man
Matt 19:17-30

Hi y'all. I was reading the above passage and something caught my attention. Let me share it with you guys.
Its the story of the rich young man who caught up with Jesus one day and asked him what he should do to inherit eternal life. He said that he had kept the commandment from his youth and wanted to know what was missing. So, Jesus tells him:

v21, if thou will be perfect, go & sell that thou hast, & give to the poor, thou shall have treasure in heaven: & come and follow me.

Do you notice what Jesus' reply actually is? Come follow me. The rest is really the how- He is saying in essence that keeping all the laws alone, or religiousness( goodness) will not save. But to follow, you need togive up certain strapping; matthew, peter gave up their careers,others walked away from family & family obligations. Notice also that Jesus takes the time to assure the RYM that what he would sell would not make him poor, he would not loose a thing.

v.22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

What happens next is that the RYM goes away and refuses to follow Jesus because he wouldnt part with his "great possessions"

v.23 Then Jesus said unto his disciles, verilu I say unto you: that a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Then Jesus comments that it would be hard or dificult, not impossible, for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Why, following Jesus is that way into the kingdom of God.

v.27 Then peter said unto him, behold , we have forsaken all, & followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

Now, peter asks a smart question at this point; though not having "great possessions" in the magnitue of the RYM's estate, each one of us has givenup some important thing to follow you. Tell us, what's the spiritual value of these things, are they too convertible into spiritual currency(heavenly treasures)?

Again Jesus assures them that none of them would loose what ever they gave up to follow him.
Finally, he sums up thus:

v.30 But many that are first shall be last; & the last shall be first.

In other words, though it may appear that one has much( by withholding) now, time will tell who is truely rich.

I have come to the conclusion therefore,that it is not what you have but what you are willing to give up to be a true disciple. The problem is not that one has riches, the problem is withholding or clinging to those things we consider so dear.
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I agree with that.
I've always felt that God gives and blesses us with things that we might use them to glorify His name, not satisfy the selfish desires of our flesh. God gives so freely to us, that we might learn to let go just as "freely" of those things, knowing that we are gaining so much more than we are giving up and not clinging to them selfishly, elevating them to a status of idolatry where it then becomes more important than God in your life.
 
  The problem with that rich young man was that he loved his money more than God - the same bible says - "you cannot serve two masters"

Udyro,
  let me save you some trouble. 99% of the atheists on Nairaland are irrational, dishonest and have an unhealthy obession against God and a personal agenda to discredit the bible - don't waste your time trying to "discuss" with them.

There are a couple of threads already created that sing its praises . . . I LOVED it and think it's the best movie of 08. Non-stop, heart-racing action.

Remember the scene when he switched to the Bike from his car and made that sick turn off the wall? that got me off my seat!!! just plain sick!

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=163794.msg2746455#msg2746455 date=1220404867]@Jesoul
She's only about 3 weeks pregnant lol no baby bumps and i couldnt care less if she was cheating on me remember i said baby momma doesnt necessarily mean wifey [/quote]ahhh the playa that you are! so you want little A-40's? since you want Serena's genes it must mean you want a little grandslammer

Ohh my name .Thats pretty simple my name starts with an A and i got some inspiration from E-40 ma uncle from the Bay coincidentally i have a thing for that number plus my last name starts with an E i hope that made sense

yeah kinda


Mens Quarters:

Rafael Nadal ESP (1)               
vs   
Mardy Fish USA             
   

Juan Martin Del Potro ARG (17)               
vs   
Andy Murray GBR (6)               
 

Andy Roddick USA 8               
vs   
Novak Djokovic SRB (3)       
         

Gilles Muller LUX                 
vs   
Roger Federer SUI (2)

iice:
[color=#9900ff]Watched part of it, from the 3rd set to the fifth.
Hehehe, it was interesting.[/color]

I've never seen Federer so animated like he was . . . but I loved it! Andreev put up a great fight n pushed Roger to bring out his A-game in order to win.

See the way Roddick spanked & dimissed Gonzalez without even breaking a sweat last night. I was looking foward to a slug-fest while eating dinner and it was over in like an hr n half there was zero-effort & desire shown by Gonzalez, even I coulda put up a better fight than that.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=165822.msg2746485#msg2746485 date=1220405582]Naah its strictly Mars for me and Hersheys too
Chicken Ribs
Suya[/quote]lol . . . Mars is a wannabe Snickers poser!

4 Play:
The thing is irritating.Go to any thread about Obama and you will see Campaign Obama talking points being reproduced verbatim or paraphrased. It's quite disturbing.

but you know what's comforting? 99% of the Obamaniacs & NLers in here have a 0% chance of affecting the election since they cannot vote in it.

Big B1:
Obama has made this statement only not to fall into the republican trap, the trap that was strategically setup for him; and also to follow the same rule he implemented when his wife was being attacked.

FYI: Obama's supporters are not castigating the daughter, they are only focusing on this strange VP, who obviously can not put it or get it together at home.
It is obvious that she spends very little time with these kids; it is also clear that she is a little bit more tasty for her career much more than being a caring mum.

and the fact her teenage daught got pregnant means she cannot "get it together at home"? 
Have you ever disobeyed or gone against your parents? especially when you were a teenager? It is simple, kids disobey and often don't hold onto the same beliefs as their parents - how does this make the parent evil? or incapable?

A 5 month old baby with a down syndrome needs his or her mother more than anything else. I think it is only fair to ship this chick back home to care for her children.
Quality time between mum and her children is priceless and more valuable than running for a VP spot with an empty can (McCain).

I am yet to hear when will a male politician be asked how he balances his career with his family. Why doesn't he stay home and take care of his kids?
None of us sitting here know anything about the dynamics of the Palin household, so to sit here and suggest she's not looking after her kids is wrong. Please people should just focus on politics, not insignificant family drama that is none of our business.

this is a praiseworthy thing Obama did and I applaud him - if only his supporters would show the same decency.
People should know when to draw the line in politics, attacking non-politically involved members of a politicians family, especially their children is low and morally wrong.

lucabrasi:
love shawarma,mat pie,barcelos kebab,ikoyi polo club suya and and university of suya s(thats a snack right)

LOL . . . sorry I couldn't resist

All-time fav snack - pineapple slices! I can eat pineapple from morning till night .
then bar of snickers, hersheys bars, white meat chicken nuggets, grapes etc

A40, _{(how did you pick that name by the way?)}
hehe I haven't seen the baby bump yet on Serena . . . are you sure she's not playing you? 

  Anyone see the great match between Federer and Andreev? 3.5hr exciting duel with the normally reserved Federer getting hyped atimes - great 5-setter which Roger wins.

yemmyse:
At this point i would like to make a proposal:

Mc Usman should marry Deepzone

Maybe this would an end to this fierce ethic battle

ROTFLOL . . . I second that proposal!

madamkoko:
and stop trying to instigate trouble. it seems as though you have nothing better to do.

actually right now I don't  

You started a conversation, raised points that have been shot down, you couldn't respond hence you abandoned them, accused me of accusing you of a phantom claim and then now you're playing the victim?
 like I said, you're serving me a comedy break right now from work, thanks!

Hannibal:
Temper temper. . . . . .

Don't blow a gasket but please take some time and listen to yourself.
How can this woman be happy she is becoming a granny after the whole mess her daughter has caused??

listen to herself? I'm afraid that may be asking too much    

madamkoko:
@ Hannibal, I refuse to go down the insult road with you. (this is not the religious thread)

So u're free to insult as you wish.

hmm so . . . you only participate in insults in the religion forum? that explains a lot . . .

madamkoko:
Nlanders and nonsensical accusations.

Go thru my posts and point out just ONE accusation that I have made

koko and her accusation insinuating I made an accusation . . .

madamkoko:
@ JeSoul: never said information was a fact. In fact, is different from the fact is

aight, just making sure you were aware that it is only an allegation, likely to never be proven.

madamkoko:
In fact, I just read somewhere that she fired a commissioner that refused to fire a state trooper that divorced her sister. Will post article, if I find it.

It NOT a fact as it is under investigation, nothing has been proven.

Did you also read the article that said the commisioner misused funds? and was an alcoholic who wasn't functioning at his job well?

yeah you probably didn't . . .

sistawoman:
Not just any republican.  She can get away with this in Alaska but she is running for the second highest seat in our government a heart attack away from the highest.  Sorry but we tend to hold those politician to a higher standard.

LOL, you dey wish am for McCain?
I agree we must hold these candidates to the highest standard but biko, none of them is perfect. Why should they be held accountable for the decisions and choices of their children?

madamkoko:
Paulin is NOT a pastor. She's a republican.

Same principle. Children disobey their parents whether they are muslim, hindu, atheist or babalawo.

I'm sure if this didn't happen to her daughter her tune will be different

and you are sure how? please do tell us? you know Sarah Palin personally?

SeanT,

your darling Obama said Palin's daughter and family are "OFF LIMITS" . . . how come you're not listening and following in his instruction? Even Obama is smart enuff to know that attacking the families, especially children of politicians is not morally right.

Hannibal:
Not necessarily.
I know many Pastors/Evangelists with children that are crazy and are loose-cannons.
They preach all what is good to others but their kids are something else. . . . .How do u correlate that?
Some things are just meant to be and some kids just do these things out of rebellion.
Ma Dad is a pastor. . . . .I[b] want to be a career criminal and there's nothing he can do about it.[/b]

Nail on the head!

Kobojunkie:
While you are at it, you might as well tell your God that his laws preaching abstinence don't work, making him a hypocrite as well.

this is a BRILLIANT response!

Apparently everyone critisizing Palin must have been perfect, holy, obedient 17yrs olds that never disobeyed or went against their parents.  

 People are suffering with mortages, healthcare, gas prices, food costs, the war in Iraq and we're talking about a 17yr old girl who slept with her boyfriend & got pregnant? talk about misplaced priorities.