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^LOL I was wondering the same thing

Tayo, unfortunately, that is not my naughty side, but rather my normal side inadvertently being naughty when I did not intend to do so . . . happens on occasion lol. After Morpheus quoted it, it suddenly occured to me how nasty it could be interpreted, but alas it was too late lol 

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=628461.msg8056475#msg8056475 date=1302004567]lol! You beat me to it T!

I love reading JeSoul, she is notorious for her crypted visuals. . . . they come hot and spicy!

I love you baby girl!! [/quote]Lol! nah nah Negro, honest, no cryptic anything implied, it was purely accidental, honest, girl scout's honor lol.

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=344420.msg8034401#msg8034401 date=1301688667]@Jesoul
Trust me some more than others
Well its all down to the closeness with the relatives my future wife would most likely not go thru that pressure[/quote]Correct boy. Lucky girl. 

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=344420.msg8044072#msg8044072 date=1301851244]Seems like the Spurs have run out of gas and at the right time [/quote]Lol. Indeed at the 'right' time. I think they'll hold on to the #1 seed anyways.

On the other side, I'm so impressed with what Denver has done with the new guys. I mean they're probably over-acheiving right now but its still commendable. They're hot and could be big trouble for whoever they end up matched against in the 1st Rd.

cap28:
Je soul when someone points out that there is something wrong with a system which regards a person of european descent as superior but degrades and accords a position of inferiority to a person of african descent why do you see the person who speaks out against this as the enemy and not the actual inventor or creator of this system?

Why is it okay for whites to have in place a system which condemns most blacks to the bottom of society by denying them equal  access to education, decent housing, health care and access to equal justice?

How is it that i am the one who has the problem because i speak of the injustice of white supremacy?

I'm not sure where or when you're living, but Cap its 2011.

 Blacks are NOT denied "equal  access to education, decent housing, health care and access to equal justice" . . . I mean where are you getting this stuff?     please show us some recent examples of this white supremacy cos maybe I'm too blind to see it.

I know you are a christian and you beleive in loving your enemies but historically as a race of people this attitude is what led to our downfall.  It is because of our poor ability to distinguish between those who have our interest at heart and those who dont that we ended up enslaved and dehumanised.

And why Cap should the white man have 'our interest in heart'? Does any country go about doing good for other countries out of the goodness of their hearts? For the most part foreign policies are symbiotic relationships - not one-way streets. Do you have the white man's interest in your heart? why should he have yours?

In the 19th century britain's trading relations with china were very much like europe and america's current trading relationship with africa - the british exploited and cheated the chinese because of their (britain's) military superiority, the chinese even referred to this period in their history as "china's century of humiliation" but notice how the chinese eventually woke up to throw off these shackles of oppression.  

we africans are still living through centuries of humiliation because not only are we exploited economically by the western powers but even on an individual level we are treated as a foolish race of people who are easy to trick and manipulate, nobody respects a people who can be easily fooled.

I actually agree with you on some points here. And it goes back to my last point - everyone/country does what is best for themselves. We as africans could not have been exploited without our own permission. Our leadership sold us out for a buck. See how we shame ourselves daily with corruption and tribalism. We cannot even respect ourselves or treat ourselves well - and we want others to respect us - did the white man do that too?

Its like a marriage where the man cheats with a mistress. The wife should first and above all focus her anger at the man who betrayed her, the mistress is a distant second. We have to look in the mirror Cap - there lies our problem.

Today many african people are still fast asleep thinking that we are all living in an equal world, what they dont realise is that racism or white supremacy has adapted and taken on a different form,  whites unlike africans always think ahead, they want to remain masters of their own destiny and they know that they have to continue to deceive and manipulate black people in order to remain there, this is why nowadays racism is no longer the in your face jim crow racism where blacks were openly humiliated, now its taken on a different form - now what you have is subtle racism for example now you can marry or date interracially , you can shop and eat wherever you want, but - and this is a very big but, you still need to come to the white man for a job because he still controls the economic system, he still allocates the jobs, he still makes decisions about who gets what but because he can not openly discriminate he discriminates against you behind closed doors.  in this day and age there are many places that you will go to where they have a policy against recruiting blacks, its not written down anywhere but the policy exists, all manner of excuses are used to justify this type of covert discrimination but the bottom line is whites do not want blacks to ever acheive equality with whites - that is the sad and bitter truth - as long as blacks live under an economic and political system controlled by whites we will remain second class citizens - by the way this applies to blacks living in africa as well.  as you well know our african leaders sold out their own people a long time ago, even if you take our own country nigeria you can see that the real power brokers or people calling the shots in nigeria are foreigners ie the foreign investors who have bought up the nigerian public sector, the multinationals and the international financial institutions which loan money to the country, so if you look at the system holistically you can see that white supremacy is much bigger than a white person looking down on a black person but its about the wholesale appropriation of the wealth, resources and even manpower of entire nations.  Therefore i think its now time for us to open our eyes and stop deceiving ourselves that we are living in an equal world where you have the odd white racist who doesnt like black people, no its bigger than that its about us as a people understanding and educating future generations to come that if we dont wake up and try and so something about our current economic and political powerlessness within a few decades we shall cease to exist as a people.

I agree with you that there is still racism - there will always be racism. But it is nowhere near as rampant as you're trying to suggest - at least not in the US or UK.

so in a nutshell, rather than take the easy way out and label me a black supremacist, ask yourself why i think the way i do and then examine the reasons behind my thoughts, thanks.

I labelled you without cause?

Remember I kindly asked you if you could explain why you believe what you believe. You quickly declared to me that I was not smart enough to hang with your brilliance and knowledge. To which I replied

JeSoul:
I prefer to give people a chance to explain why they believe what they believe in a logical or experiential way. I don't know it all, so I'm always eager to learn when I can. You have shown me that in this instance, you cannot defend your extremist views, so like an artful doger, you avoid facing the challenge by throwing out the self-elevating declaration that "you cannot discuss with someone who doesn't know history".

 I had hope, but I see now that you seem incapable of seeing beyond race and color. If its black, its good. If its white, its bad. That seems to be your incontrovertible philosophy. Like I remarked to you earlier, you're living in the past. "Fighting" some imaginary war against the imaginary 'white man'. You indeed know sizeable chunks of history, but your interpretation of it leaves a lot to be desired. I bet you could even somehow spin the most innocent of situations into a complex conspiracy theory, with the 'white man' as the perpetrator. I'm not insulting you Cap, but this is what you come across . . . and I am just about the 1000th person in section to remark this to you.

I hope it is now clear I can "form an opinion"?

That was when I labelled you, and not a second earlier.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=628461.msg8034432#msg8034432 date=1301688956]Hey sweetie, if I had to give my input on what Farrakhan said you will disown me. Lol![/quote]Ha!
Because I know you so well, I suspected you would sympathize with Cap's position that was my sly reverse way of roping you into the conversation . So nope. No disowning will be happening lol.

While I share your position on universal brotherhood, I must also acknowledge a need for people to create a supportive network of social and cultural as well as religious and philosophical means upon which their arts, sciences and various other endowments subsist, and that network need to have safeguards that protects it's interests from destabilizing influence. . . . . Whether from within or foreign. Foreign intervention of any kind is not good for the sustainability of pride and parity of values.

Very nicely said, and I actually agree with you. There are issues and values that are unique to certain communities/cultures/races - and creating means of addressing, preserving, enhancing, protecting one's culture, history, future etc is the way of the world and how we survive. This has never been under dispute or criticism.

  However, most importantly ^this must not be confused with the brand of poison kool-aid that Farrakhan is selling to the black community. One that asserts -
¹all white people are evil, and surreptitiously colluding to forever oppress black people. So
² black people must fight them back
³ black people are a special, superior race
⁴ that black people are victims, we are not responsbile for the sad state of our communities, it is the white man whodunnit

etc  . . . I reject all of the above and other "Black Liberation" 'principles'. Au contraire, I believe -

'good' & 'evil', victim & oppressor is not drawn along the lines of class or color. Not by a long stretch. Some 'rich white folk' have been great supporters of civil rights, and some 'poor black folk' have contributed nothing but crime to their communities. Are there are elements of evil, oppressors in high places of power, who profit from the status quo and will do all they can to preserve the deadly cycle? of course. But this does not constitute the vast, overwhelming majority of white folk just going about living their lives.

Farrakhan has a long sordid history of making racially poisoned comments . . . he says black people should hate and fight white people . . .

I think he should go and find a very long cherry-flavored lolli-pop and just suck on it to spare us the embarrasment of listening to his empty, senile rants. Could he say a thing or 2 that may be true and have substance? yes he could. But sorry if some of us lend him no credence - he has given us no reason to. Black extremism is just as bad as the white-colored one.

^Nwakaibe! lol.

[quote author=tpiah! link=topic=638651.msg8050256#msg8050256 date=1301929997]will the women be ministering in the strip clubs?

[s]abi are they gearing towards their pastor and reverend customers[/s].

but some music is great for aerobics sha.

anyway, lord have mercy because we might soon start to have christian p.imps.[/quote]Just add 'christian' in front of anything and then remind other christians that they should not judge you no matter what.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwEdRV5h-60?fs/1&hl/en_US"[/flash]

'Pole dancing for Jesus' class mixes faith and fitness; Church going women offered free class
BY LINDSAY GOLDWERT
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Thursday, March 24, 2011


Women in Texas aren't pole-dancing for tips. They're pole-dancing for Jesus. In a dance studio in the town of Spring, outside of Houston, women are taking on the now-popular fitness trend of stripper aerobics - but instead of moving to a pulsing beat, they're grinding along to Christian music. "Pole Fitness for Jesus" was the brainchild of Crystal Deans, the owner and class instructor at of Best Shape of Your Life. Deans, a former "dancer," told MyFox in Houston that she quit the pole-dancing business years ago. "It's not something I felt very rewarded with . I decided I didn't want to do any more, so I decided to take the part that I liked about that and bring it here," she said.

She said her goal is to teach fellow female churchgoers how to get fit, work their legs and core and to make a connection with God. The goal is not to teach women to be strippers. "We do the upbeat contemporary Christian music because people have to bring their church program to get into the class, so we basically are just continuing the whole worship thing here," she said. According to the studio's website, the first eleven women that bring in their church program every 2nd Sunday of the month receive a free class.

On other days, the studio offers regular pole-dancing classes without a religious bent. Women seem to be singing the class' praises for its tough workout and its wholesome outlook. "I think it's a fabulous thing. I was raised around religion. My parents were very religious and it's a great way you get the stigma off," said Tiffany Booth. "It's not just dancing on a pole. You have music and you have girls together working out. There's tons of different kinds of workouts; this just happens to be one." Mixing pole dancing and religion has raised some eyebrows. But Dean said that the Lord is the only person who can judge her choice of fitness routine. "People who want to sit there and judge it, you know, like, 'Well, that is sacrilegious,' or you know," Dean told News KXAN in Austin. "That doesn't make you a good Christian when you judge other people."

[sarcasm]Remember my fellow christians, thou shalt not judge. [/sarcasm]

Kunle, the question is simply this:

Biblically, is it possible to ¹hate/reject God (the atheist) but ² do good works - and this alone guarantees salvation in the sight of a God - a God which the atheist himself has rejected?

By the way, I have avoided quoting scriptures outside of the 4 gospels on purpose - because Deepsight rejects them as credible.

^I am glad you and yours are well sir. We thank God.

And thank you for ^that as well. You know I always appreciate reading from you. Your input is always well delivered and well received. Stay blessed! (and you should post more often too, though I suspect you only do so when your spirit prompts you to).

^M_Nwankwo, oga sir, I hope you and the whole family are well beyond well .

[quote author=m_nwankwo link=topic=634923.msg8033390#msg8033390 date=1301679053]God is love. One can also say that God is the source of love. All creatures of God irrespective of race, religion, sex, nationality etc can absorb of this love of God and dispense it accordingly. In the case of human beings, what absorbs this love from God is the human spirit. This love will permeate the spirit, its clocks including the outermost shell, the physical body. Thus he who absorbs the rays of love will manifest love including love for all creations of God. Now, the recognition of this love as coming from God depends on the various radiation connection between the spirit and the various shells surrounding the spirit, the last shell being the physical body and its coordinating center, the human brain. In many of us, this radiation connections are not straight, thus the shells enveloping the spirit are not conscious of the impressions that vibrates in the spirit. Thus a man may believe himself to be an atheist because that is what his brain tells him and yet his spirit is in the recognition of God. Irrespective of his brain telling him that God does not exist, the emanations of the spirit including love still permeates his mind and body resulting in expressions of genuine love. Thus although from a human standpoint, such a man is considered by himself and others to be atheist, spiritually the man is a theist.


In a similar vein the brain and the mind may be trained or indoctrinated or programmed to believe in God but their spirit has no recognition of God. In this case, this believer is actually an atheist even though he believes himself to be a theist. However because he, that is, the spirit has no connection with God, he cannot absorb the rays of love and manifest it. Thus, in spite of his intellectual believe in God, he still manifests the works of the flesh including hatred, anger, lust, gossip, avarice, fear, etc. The species of a seed determines the fruits that it will bear. Thus all genuine love and human beings who indulge in it believe in God even when they are unconscious of it while on earth.

Thus, all human beings who indulge in genuine love are of God and all those who indulge in hatred are not of God. By there works or fruits, you shall know those who stand in the will of God and those that oppose it or do not recognize it. This is an infallible yardstick to know who belongs to God and those who are not.

Therefore the love of God manifests in the love of all creations of God. On earth, it is possible for an atheist to love God without being spiritually conscious of it. However if such atheist continues in the manifestation of the love of God, either later in this earthly life or in the beyond on in another earthly life the emanations of the love of God that vibrates in his spirit will also permeate his earthly brain such that he also becomes conscious of the existence of God while in the physical body. What counts is how our spirit is close or far away from the will of God. Religion, nationality, sex, class and similar things that we think are very important while on earth are worthless once we drop this physical body.

In my view, there is no difference between the pope, the Christian, the mystic or an atheists when it concerns the will of God. Murder is murder whether perpetrated by a pope, a theist or an atheist. Genuine love is genuine love whether it came from an atheist, a pastor or an agnostic. Sometimes we think too much and thus think nothing. If we look around even on earth, we should find that the natural laws which are the manifestation of the will of God in nature does not give a hoot about all these artificial constructs. If a bud-hist sows yam in a fertile soil, he will reap yam. The same goes for an atheist and the theist. In an earthquake or epidemic or accident, both theists and atheists are saved and killed. A deeper look on why these things are the way they are may open our eyes to the working of God. Best wishes.[/quote]Very well articulated.

And as long as you weren't trying to convince us like DS that this is what bible (and Jesus) teaches.

Hi Torombo,
please continue on this previously existing thread


Nigerian Pastor- Dr Albert Odulele Charged With Sex Offences In London.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-612535.0.html

updated here today: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-612535.384.html#msg8030802

Hi Shadrach,
please continue on the previously existing thread


Nigerian Pastor- Dr Albert Odulele Charged With Sex Offences In London.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-612535.0.html

updated here today: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-612535.384.html#msg8030802

Deep Sight:
Jesoul. Please do not worry about dear old viaro. In terms of our discourses i am sure there are absurdities enough to fill the entire universe. Such as physical bodies dwelling in spiritual heavens and the like. We leave that to himself and myself.

Let us focus our discussion on the matter for today. Before i proceed, I sense a sense of futility about you: namely that you believe i am deliberately playing the Ostrich. Let me just try to assure you that this is not so. Whatever may be your misgivings about me and my antics either past or present, i hope over time it is at least obvious that i sincerely believe that which i try to discuss. If there is no sincerity there is no purpose in these discussions. So please accept my assurances in that regard, for i would very sincerely love to have an open discussion of this, regardless that it has been discussed from other perspectives in the past.

Now you have pointed out two things to me which i will address. The two things you pointed out to me are as follows-

1. That the first requirement is to love God, and i have ignored this by focusing only on the second requirement - love of fellow man.

2. That Jesus spoke severally about salvation and i have ignored his other injunctions on the requirements, focusing only on the parable of the good Samaritan. And that another of his injunctions wa sthat one may only get to the Father through him.

In response to your first contention i say as follows -

- - - That the transcendental nature of God is not so concerned with an egoistic receipt of human praise or human acknowledgment as that would belittle the very nature of God.

- - - That the worship of God in spirit and in truth, the love of God, is manifested through a love of life. By this i do not mean a hedonistic love of worldly pleasures, but a love of that which is living - a love for that which emanates from God - namely, LIFE and LIVING THINGS. In the immediate sense this connotes the whole wonder of existence and the living beings about us, with whom we share our experience, but in the deeper sense this connotes love for such truly living things in an abstract sense such as love for love itself. I hope you get my meaning.

- - - I say to you that the bible itself is replete with many suggestions to this effect.

- That way to love God is not by any acknowledgment of doctrine or dogma, for that would be an empty and dead love.

There is no way that we can conceive of a transcendental God whose obsession is with egoistic praise and acknowledgement of doctrines such as thie identity of this or that person.

Rather i am persuaded that the gospel of Jesus affirms that the acknowledgment of God is in itself empty and quite useless in spiritual terms beside the simple practice of love. He also made it clear that acknowledging his name by itself would profit no man - even going so far as to corroborate his message in the parable of the good Samaritan by saying that what it would take to love him and to love God would be to show love to fellow men.

Here is relevant scripture in this regard -

Matthew 7:23 - Jesus made it clear that there would be many who believed in his name even to the extent of successfully working miracles and casting out demons in his name. Yet he states that of these people he would say "Depart from me, i never knew ye". . . What this connotes is that their acknowledgment of his name, acceptance of him as lord, and even investiture with miraculous powers from his name, were all empty and dead in his view if these people could not practice love.

This simply shows that the practice of love is what is far more important and relevant as opposed to merely acknowledging his name, however fervently believed or acknowledged.

Again, here is another scripture which i believe hammers home the point -

Matthew 23:35  - In this scripture Jesus specifically said that even people who did not know him but did loving deeds to other humans were actually doing those deeds to him! Thus this affirms my view that one loves God by loving one's fellow man, for how else will you explain this quote from that scripture -

". . .For i was hungry, and you gave me something to eat, i was thirstily, and you gave me something to drink, i was a stranger, and you invited me in, unclothed and you clothed me, i was sick and you visited me, i was in prison, and you came to me. Then the righteous will answer him and when did we do these things. . . And he responded " truly, to the extent that you did these for even the least of my brothers, you did it for me. . ."

I hope that this scripture is more than enough to show you what i am trying to say. It is not by acknowledging him and praising him, etc, but by living acts of love to one another that you actually worship and love God.

There is a deep spiritual reason why this is the truth. And that is simply because we are all a reflection, and minute part each of the totality of the being that exists as ONE. This is the reason for the command of love: it is an adjuration of oneness which trumps all things and goes to the gut of who we are and and what God is.

Without having to separately address your second contention where you said that Jesus stated that no man comeS to the father except through him,  i hope you can already see in the scripture quoted above what it really means to " come  through" Jesus. He has made it clear already both in the parable of the Good Samritan and where he describes love shown to fellow men as love shown to him.

You must therefore see that the first command of love of God, is, in Jesus' view, only fulfilled by exhibiting love TO fellow man in the truest sense.

DS, I do understand what you're trying to say:  You believe love for God is accomplished by loving your fellow man.

Mat 22 "Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
^sorry oh, but according to the above, I don't see how you can collapse the 2 commandments and make them one or declare the latter is actually a fulfilment of the first - and in process divorce the spirituality that is at the heart of it, and dismiss it as irrelevant - when you declare an atheist inadvertently worships a God he rejects.

 It says "Love the Lord with all your ¹Heart ²Soul ³Mind"

-How exactly does an atheist accomplish these 3 core - spiritual - requirements? When by his every breath he actually rejects it?
-Do the words of Jesus here suggest that these commands can be 'inadvertently' fulfilled? without a conscious, concerted effort on our part?
-Does a physical performance of doing good take the place of the heart that inwardly and quietly acknowledges God?

   Every reasonable christian will readily agree with you that one who touts faith or love for God - in the absence of love for his fellow man is lost. My only point is that you cannot declare - biblically - that works without faith is all that is needed for salvation. Especially when this same bible is "replete" with examples of Jesus commending people for their faith - not works.

DS, if you're interested in a response to this unfortunate assertion, I believe Viaro did a pretty good job on that thread.

You're falsely insinuating Jesus put forth a means of salvation of which the only requirement is a ritualistic practice of simply doing 'good works'. You have set up the cart on the race track, but left the horse securely tied in the stable.

The same Jesus said the greatest command is to love God with all your heart, soul and mind - and then to love your neighbor as yourself. You have omitted the first and greatest command, but yet insist that a 'good atheist' is a worshipper of a God that he himself rejects and denies.

  Dude, seriously? and you wonder why Viaro got tired of you?

Jesus commented many times on the way/means to Salvation. You cannot pick one parable, one scripture and build your entire philosophy on it - all the while fending off other verses that clearly contradict your claims. The same Jesus also said "I am the Way, the Truth, the Life - and no one comes to the Father except through me". Does anyone else wonder how the atheist can go through a Jesus he does not believe in or accept?

jegunyomi:
"Oga, wetin be this now? Dis nah why I no dey like carry you office people o. Small time, una don begin shake like leaf. I beg siddon well before this boat go sink." We were in the middle of a turbulent Lagos lagoon. The ramshackle boat engine had ground to a frightening halt. After so many futile attempts to revive the old Suzuki engine, the area boy-like boat driver gave up trying. He brought out a crumpled wet cigarette and lit it, all the while a mischievous grin playing on his face. I looked down to see the ominously black water of the lagoon, with heavy waves lashing against the edge of the wooden boat. The wind was particularly high that evening and it increased the waves' turbulence, ceaselessly tossing the canoe back and forth like a reef. As we continued to sway at the deep end, from under the canoe's wooden seat, lagoon water seeped slowly in. I became alarmed as I had not noticed that the canoe was leaking when we began the journey some few minutes earlier. But as soon as the engine stopped and we remained on the same spot, the water found an opportunity to flow more rapidly in, creating some panic among the already scared passengers. The situation became more precarious because most of the passengers were females who had immediately lost their nerves, creating a stampede in the overloaded boat. Most of the passengers were office workers who had tried to avoid the traffic at the Mobil end of Victoria Island in an attempt to make the short but often risky cross to Falomo. One of the female passengers with whom I had earlier developed an acquaintance held on to me tightly. Now, that presented a clear danger considering that she wouldn't let go of me in spite of assurances that another engine was on its way to replace the one that had become the cause of our misery. As she gripped me more firmly each time the canoe swayed, many thoughts ran through my mind.

What if the boat capsized? How would I save myself with a plus size woman clutching my arm as if we were both locked in a marriage of ‘till death do us part'? I tried to wriggle free from her vice-like grip on me. My reassurance that there was no cause for alarm did little to convince her to release her grip, which tightened as a surging wave thrown by a passing speed boat shook our boat violently. As a result, more water got into the boat. Then from behind me, a woman began a dirge-like song in a voice that reminded me of a funeral procession. "Nearer my God to thee, nearer to thee, " At first, the woman sang alone among the cacophony of wailing and cries of anguish. Then, slowly, as if realising that the end might truly be near, the entire passengers joined in.
But I had myself to blame. I had always avoided using the boat cross shortcut from Lekki to Ikoyi, favouring the Ozumba Mbadiwe-Law School and Falomo Bridge route. However, on this day, the hold-up was bumper-to-bumper. I had remained in it for more than an hour from Lekki when I decided to use the waterway. I should have known; the boat was overloaded at the point of entry. The operators near the Addax Petroleum were so intent on making the most of the rush hour that they did not mind overloading the boat with impatient passengers scurrying to secure a place in the ramshackle wooden boat.

Fortunately for us, a new engine was eventually brought in. How the two guys managed to stabilise the boat with the long planks they dug deep into the lagoon belt remains a mystery. As we arrived safely on land, I turned to look at the lady banker. The shock in her eyes said it all: it is still a risky venture to use the waterways in Lagos.

http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/News/Metro/5686343-183/story.csp

ROTFLOL . . . .   my gosh lol, this is the funniest thing I have read in a while on NL . . .  LOL. When it comes to survival, its every man (and woman) for himself.

chic2pimp:
Certainly brings back painful memories. . . . . .Just thinking of what he would have wrote has certainly put a smile back on my face. Chei Chicago Bull.sh.it!!!

Ah! I miss yabbing that boy

@Jesoul
I'm pretty sure you can clearly remember this

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-344420.2560.html#msg7240171

lol . . . what fun times . . . only a few days before he was taken from us. Rose has pulled away from Rondo and done it all season long - he deserves the MVP hands down. Mehn . . . I have become a closet Bulls/Bears/Cubs fan, anything to honor Bawo's memory. So in honor of that . . .

GO BULLS!!!

and uhm Go Celtics too. [quote author=flo_path1 link=topic=344420.msg8030066#msg8030066 date=1301647234]Celtics fan in the house!!! However, derrick Rose is the MVP for this season. So stoked for the playoffs to begin.[/quote]Welcome to the fun

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=344420.msg8009521#msg8009521 date=1301399171]Hehehe you get luck say no be Naija u dey! E for cross your radar by force because dem in-laws go don dey your neck. I am good jare! Just trying to get some money in ma pocket[/quote]Ahh ain't that the story of we all! lol. And in-law pressure is there oh! lol, believe it, we just have to turn that volume down

Its the biggest story for sure plus your old assistant Tom Thibodeau has transformed them to contenders in an instant! Now i see why you guys have been so successful! And yeah its a shame Bawo aint here to gloat about it! Its foul how his life just got wasted for nothing still cant wrap my head around it

Chicago should easily win MVP and Coach of the Yr. I agree its impressive what Thib has done . . . too bad it was we Celtics that lost such a defensive genuis.

The problem with the Knicks is their coach lol he does not coach any defense plus they gave away too much for Melo IMO

I don't think D'antoni will be back next yr. Not if NY fans have anything to say about it.

montelik:
Yes like "cowboy poetry".

BTW, there is a 3rd way. Borrow.

haha, Touché!

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=628461.msg8026338#msg8026338 date=1301590562]I only stepped in to say big hello to JeSoul.

I missed you pretty one, glad to know you are doing good [/quote]Dearest Negro! how are you doing my dear? You have def been missed around here. I hope all is sunshine and gravy with you and yours. We thank God that all is well and that we're still alive and in good health. Weren't you supposed to hop on I-95 and drive east a while back?

and oh . . . seeing you're one who "bleeds black" , care to show Cap28 how love for one's roots does not have to necessarily mean enmity with others.

^"Keeping up with the Orishas" lol, love it!

vescucci:
Actually, Pastor, I am expecting you to jump in. This is so far up your alley, it is ridiculous.

Lol. Agree. I was one of those people also expecting him to take the reins.

Deep Sight:
Fair enough. I am at least content that through the Parable of the Good Samaritan, no less a personage than Jesus Christ announced full agreement with my view.

So indeed, you are free and welcome to disdain or reject the view Jesus expressed as elucidated above.

This is truly funny. In spite of how diverse conceptions and interpretations of God and Jesus and the bible are, you insist your view is the true one and we (christians for that matter) are wrong. This is so funny that it is funny. I'm glad that you are well known for building grand castles of sand on singular scripture verses, all the while ignoring others that poke mammoth sized holes in your foundation.

So, If you want to believe "Jesus announced full agreement with your view", you're certainly entitled to hold on to that belief - however unfortunate it is, and unfortunate it really is.

Cheers.

It seems they're always "uncovering hidden scrolls" or "discovering lost texts" or "unearthing relics that might 'change the way we viewed ___'"

. . . I'm with Jenwitemi, this is the devil's handwork, he planted them there

Deep Sight:
What is "worship" of God? What is the "spiritual angle" of such worship which you refer to? As far as [size=18pt]I[/size] know, the worship of God is best practiced by showing love for fellow man, Chikena. And anybody who does this and lives this, as such is already worshipping God in the purest possible way, whether or not such person knows or acknowledges that God exists. That's what i was trying to say to viaro, and that is what i say to you.

Good. As long as you're willing to acknowledge no one else is bound by or subject to your own understanding of what worship is/should entail.

There are only 2 ways for a government to 'raise' money:

1 - Raise taxes
2 - Cut spending

or the budget ship will sink faster than the titanic. Though I readily submit during the slashing there is often misplacing of priorities . . . nurses will get axed, and funding for jelly-fish research will remain intact - simply because someone in the govt. knows someone who owes someone.

Not a very well written or thought out article in my opinion. But nevetheless, I don't think the author is aruging so much that it is[i] impossible[/i] for atheists to do/be good . . . but rather, the good that the atheist does is:
1 - self-serving
2 - influenced by only limited human understanding, deficient in the divine

  and therefore not really good at all - and this from a spiritual perspective - very important.

I would like to echo Nuke's point:

nuclearboy:
Moral, human and societal acceptability standards seem to be their own basis rather than spiritually

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Deep Sight:
I have discussed this ad infinitum, ad nauseum on this forum, notably here -
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-411111.0.html
- - - where the indefatigable and tirelessly irrational viaro disagreed.

Since Viaro is not here to defend himself, I will help him.

After reading 3 pages of that thread, I don't see where Viaro 'disagreed' with your statement, infact just the opposite:

viaro:
There are atheists I know who live far more credible lives than deists - no gainsaying that. However, please show me any atheist who predicates his living or ethics on "godliness". Please just show me. Your penchant to lie to the public on any "resemblance" is magically amazing!

His gripe was with your assertion that this "goodness" of the atheist is somehow 'worship' to 'God' considering the fact that the selling point of an atheist in the first place is that he denies the existence - talkless of worship - of a God. And furthermore which/what God? because there are diverse conceptions of God across the religions. I don't intend on raising dead horses to flog them over, but this is my understanding of Viaro's position. So when you say -

Deep Sight:
Personally i think it is possible (and indeed I have observed this constantly) for an complete atheist to be both morally conscious and indeed live a more christ-like life than a supposed theist.

What is your understanding of a "Christ-like" life? is it just going about doing good/charity? Because scripturally, it entails much more - a spiritual angle - which the atheist rejects/denies - and therefore cannot exactly be "christ-like".

Unless of course the 'like' in Christ-like is what you were going for. In which case I retract my submission above. Cheers.

People who can so callously carry out these kinds of evil acts are nothing short of devils themselves. Its too bad they'll be rotting in prison while their victims lay in the grave. They should have returned them to face the music in the Afghan 'judicial system' . . . justice would've been much more swift and deadly.

Sweetnecta:
@JeSoul; The above John verse does not make any sense. Considering that it says that God does not tempt after it stated God cant be tempted begging the question, altogether. The question is about satan why he became what he came 'disobedient'. The verse addressed something else. The verse you followed it with even compounded the confusion that the first one presented by jumping on the issue of Jesus who is part of the trinity while the Spirit, another part of the same trinity led Jesus to the hand of what tempted him, satan.

If you revisit john, the first verse, it says one is tempted or led by ones evil desire and lust/enticed. if this is true, what led Jesus, then, especially in the light that God cant be tempted, even He does not tempt, while Jesus is the very same God on earth?

I read the piece that you directed in your above website. the material does not address anything concrete, except that it left any reader, especially a one looking for clarity hanging. Typically, most books of religion[s] do not answer the more important question. hence they say you have to have blind faith, as if knowledge is abomination.

Necta,
broda, see how you craftily made ^ about the biggest gripe btw christians & muslims the Trinity/Jesus' divinity. The OP is a christian so I have used the bible to answer him.

Dulcet7:
Yes, Jessy. This is exactly what I am saying. Religion is the surface of an object, and this object in itself is a way that binds us back to God. This is just the way you also put it, succinctly: Religion is a way to find the way to reconnect to God.

Thank you Dulcet . And really, thank you for this thread.

Dulcet7:
Hello Vescucci

I believe that is not so. God's truth is all around us and inside our hearts if we do not deceive ourselves, even though our understandings of natures might differ.

God has succinctly made himself known to us already, but some of us need constant reminders in the form of tangible human interactions.

GBAM. Left, right, center, top, down, inside, outside, front, back and all around!

^in continuation . . .

So considering we cannot save ourselves by our good works - Christ prepared a way that is based on faith (that manifests in good works). And since God is not subject to the constraints of time, culture, circumstance and 'religion', this way Christ prepared stretches both backward and forward in time - reaching to all peoples, justifying as many who 'believed' and had faith - and exercised their faith by loving first of all God - and then their fellow man as themselves.

Edit: I forgot to add one thing. I don't personally believe that genuine faith can be borne solely out of a desire to escape hell/make heaven. In other words, true faith must be compelled by love not fear- of hell/damnation. And oh . . .@all, all the above is merely my understanding, feel free to contribute/correct/disagree where you see fit. Thanks.

Good monday Vesc .

vescucci:
This is touchy ground like Deepsight surmised o. Because the Christian idea of salvation is exactly like letting a serial killer go free under the guise of mercy (due to repentance). I'm not disagreeing with this per se. It's precisely the reason why I don't believe in classical hell. It's just unfair. Nothing one can do can deserve that punishment. What I think though, does not in any way affect what truth and reality is because no one can ever really know. We all say what we think and believe is consistent with the nature of God one is comfortable with. For all I know, God may really be a trinity and everything I find hard to believe may be true.

. . . and this is at the heart of it all. Let me try . . . 

Consider a leprous man. He is covered in boils, sores and open wounds all over his body. He smells, terribly. His sickness pervades his entire body through to his soul. He walks into a church and the people are moved to tears and have compassion for him. They decide to give him a nice bath, they clean out his wounds, bandage them up and finally dress him up with a beautiful white silk cloth. But after a little while, his wounds begin to seep through the bandages, and then through the silk cloth, until the silk cloth itself becomes soaked, ruined, completely infected by the mans disease.

This is my opinion of the human condition.

Is 64: All of us have become like one who is unclean,
   and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
we all shrivel up like a leaf,
   and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

We are sinful by nature, and even our most righteous acts are like the ruined silk cloth. Which is why "works" cannot save/right us in the sight of God. Now does this mean works are not important? infact just the opposite. The works must be a manifestation of the faith one claims to have in God. So it is not the works themselves that justify (lest any man boast before God) - but rather the faith. And if one claims faith but works are absent, then such a faith is dead.

Assume a man who hates God and the idea of Him and manifestation of Him all around us. He rejects the inherent knowledge of a creator in all of us. He has closed shut his mind and heart to God completely. But this same man works long, hard and dedicates himself to helping others. He is by worldly standards, "a good person".

  Do you think this man will be accepted or rejected by God? Is sin/wrong determined primarily based on our relationship with other men? or with God first? What do you think? (others pls feel free to take a stab at this).

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=344420.msg7997255#msg7997255 date=1301248564]I dey babes wats gud? So when make we dey expect lil Jesoul[/quote]lol. lil jesoul never cross my radar at all at all lol. You want to be an uncle so soon? wait small now Wassup now? hows life and everything?

@neyostica Unless u have been marooned out in the pacific ocean surely there's only one[b] Mvp and thats Derrick Rose [/b] its amazing how he and Tom Thibodeau have made them such a force. What do we say bout the knicks

100% seconded. The guy has done it all year long and turned the chicago malu's into actual contenders . . . it only saddens me that the Bears almost made the superbowl, and the Bulls are about to win the EC . . . and BAWO is not here to gloat and rub it in our faces 

  As for the Knicks . . . LOL . . . Carmelo go hear wen at the hands of NY fans. I'm sure they'll do better next season tho, these things take time.

VPersiee:
It is said that satan (lucifer) disobeyed God and was thrown down to earth. What made him do that? For example, if am being tempted now, it is satna and his demons that tempt me to disobey God. Other times it is just my human nature? So what spirit made satan question God? Or did it just happen out of nowhere?

James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.

Mt 4:1 "Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
 Temptation can come either by the evil one, or by our own selves.

In regards to circumstances around the fall of satan, check out this link - http://www.learnthebible.org/satans-rebellion-and-fall.html
Hope that helps. Cheers.