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We know the sponsors are also in government and to me this is no special news.Hmmmm how men love money,power and materials things more than the will of God.Well someday,all will pay.Thats for sure.

Its very clear and glaring,
How did the robbers knew who blew the whistle on them?
The men of SARS came after hours of free operation and no sooner had they left,the robbers re-emerged again.
do you supposes Nigerian police are your friends?
When they ask the public for useful information to tackle criminals and crime,its the same policemen that will eventually revealed the whistle blower to the same gang.
This is amongst the many reason why citizens must DEFEND themselves.ARM your selves.Robbers are not spirits but mortals like you and I.

blackweaver:
abeg if oil companies are given a deadline of one year to have refineries that are working at full capacity and six months after that importation is banned this useless argument of deregulation will stop joo

I concur with your statement here.Also,mr presido should fix our poor refineries and build some micro ones across 6 more states.we do not need to remove oil subsidies.the money spent on oil subsidies fan fix and build micro refineries.they know this things but won't do it cos of their selfish gains.

Why should I be surprised.afterall oga presido came out to say "nigeria is the best african country for foreign investors to invest in"OLODO.see the result?

Hehehe lover boy,pele.listen d girl don taste anoda and have compared you and the "other".point is she has settled for "the other".try working out anything with her,will get at u nowhere further.
Now keep your options WIDE OPEN.her leaving you will move you from your "bath tub" to the "swimming pool"make FRIENDS,female friends as many as possible.you will end up surprised just how lucky and handsome you are.
*and a word of advise,if you know YOU want to settle down and be responsible,stay off those campus girls.Most are "dream gurlz".anyone within the category of "last leg corpers,working class,widow,etc"fits d bill.but if you still wanna "fool"around,d dream gurlz are there to make up your spare time,although I don't advise that.
Best of luck

If the photo is recent,well that's sad cos it means all the money gathered and borrowed to stow to Europe gone down the drain.Besides,the souls and family members at home (naija)benefiting from her "slavery" abroad will suffer it worse.Cos it means no school fees,no food on the table,no rent,etc.
I just feel for the poor girl sha.

No i don't want him to die just yet o, i would like him to be under serious and rigorous muscular pain while he begs for death.

[quote author=m_nwankwo link=topic=800204.msg9531252#msg9531252 date=1321021247]The notion that we please God by self imposed renunciation like fasting and similar things is wrong in my perception. God wills that all his creations should bubble with life and supreme joy. Suffering is not the will of God and it is antithetical to the LOVE that is in God and that is GOD. God did not create or will suffering into his creations. In heaven, the spiritual kingdom of God where the will of God reigns, suffering is non-existent. Suffering is present only in material creations including our earth and suffering came into existence as a result of the misapplication of the power of God. Man or rather the spirit that is man has the ability to draw the power of God and use it. He can use the power of God to raise himself to luminous realms of pure joy or he can can apply the power to dig his own grave. The ascent to heaven or the decent to hell lies on how we use the power that God lent to us. Simply put, suffering is  a consequence of sin and sin is simply a misapplication of the power of God. The power of God can be likened to the power entrapped in the nucleus of an atom (crude analogy). The atomic power can be used to give millions electricity but it can also be used to produce nuclear bombs.

We suffer because of our own actions or inaction. Sin also encompasses our inability to to listen to the voice of our spirit. Many a suffering including natural disasters can be avoided if we listen to the several warnings that physically invincible servants of God impress on us. Most of us have become spiritual dense that even the severest warnings makes no impression in our day consciousness. In the course of our existence spanning several incarnations on earth and in other material planes, we have misapplied the power of God so much that the fruits of our seeds bring suffering and despair instead of radiant joy. Most people cannot see beyond the present earth-life, hence we ask such questions like "why does God allow bad things to happen to good people", why do some evil men proper? Why are children borne with hereditary diseases? Why is Africa so poor and plagued with HIV, malaria, etc? Why does God allow infectious diseases and cancers to torment his creatures? and many similar questions. It will take several books to answer these questions. The underlying point is that diseases, evil, suffering etc are simply a misapplication of the laws of God in different planes of material creations.

The laws of God are not a set of rules as many think but are the intrinsic properties that is inherent in any creature, specie, creation of God. There is nothing anybody can do to change or annul these intrinsic properties. What we can do is to understand them and use them for the purpose for which the creator designed them for. In this instance we will have a harmonious union of the radiations of God which can only result in joy, inner peace and supreme happiness. If the intrinsic properties of the powers of God are misapplied, the consequence is wrongful and destructive union of radiations that can only result in disease, suffering, evil, etc. If we eat, drink, act, talk and perceive according to the intentions of God, then suffering, diseases and evil will depart from us and this earth will then be a reflection of the spiritual kingdom of God. A healthy body does not need drugs, but an unhealthy body may require drugs to  forcibly restore it to health. In a similar vein, it is only a body that has become dense that occasionally requires fasting to restore balance. But the right endeavor should be not to allow the body to become dense in the first place. Eat and drink in moderation and only take from the table of God that which God imbued with the power to nourish our bodies. All excess with food and drink must be avoided. Even in a physical sense, if we eat and drink in moderation and nourish the body with the right mixture of food and drink, the body will become the way God designed it and many an illness will be averted. Fasting brings no spiritual benefit. It is just that in bodies that have become dense, abstinence from food for a short time will give some refinement to the body, permitting it to be more susceptible to the promptings of the spirit. Continuous abstinence will be dangerous because the weakening of the body  will also result in weakened emanation from the body making it very possible for such a physical body to be subject to alien influences. In such a state it is very easy to be demonically influenced or be subject to possession by an alien disembodied spirit. Best Wishes.[/quote]write sursum vestri mirabilius est certus
But I need ask you, who do you say Jesus is?

Why is now making a fool of himself on an international media.when no month passes without killings from boko haram.does he think the international community can be fooled to come and invest in an unsafe country?haba presido.this tarnishes the more.

chiteny:
Mr. Joagbaje, Sir pls does someone necessarily have to leave his house to a big building where there are many people gathered before it is said that he is going to fellowship? I am writing this with respect to your comment in bold as shown above. Can the 2 or 3 gathered in my house to worship and praise God also be referred to as fellowshipping with the brethren?

Good posting bro.Although everyone too had tried their best in their own way,but this chitney to me by far is more "soothing".however to join any gathering,do so with an open unbiased mind and not necessarily based on what you 'see by sight'.
And to start a "fellowship" center,do you suppose you know the reason why there are different ministries? They have various purposes.some for healing,some for teaching,some for overseas mission,etc.have u asked urself "why I'm I to start a fellowship center?".what's the purpose.u never can tell u may need additional "training and exposure" from bible colleges,etc.
Take some time off,observe from the media which messages seemed applicable to your "gift"then perhaps,you are on the right path.
I once heard of a minister in the mission I'm a worker,RCCG. His then pastor was so nasty and vindictive he was frustrated to live having spent more than 15 years.but guess what,after a brief break rather than living he started a house fellowship center but aligned with another province entirely. Today,he has no regret for that decision as that fellowship center is now a zonal headquaters.
Shalom!

If you think Nigerian army will tackle boko haram problems then you must be have a bad dream cos they won't.know why,I could remember sometime in 2004 when I applied for the short service commission into the nigerian army,(abi now when good jobs weren't available to people without 7 to 10 yrs working experience).I was told at the point of submission point blank that I either get a 'sponsork who must be a high ranking service officer in the NA or Air force.or I simply should change name and religion to bear a northern indigene who practises islam.
90 something percent of "officers" in our army are either from north and muslims or non-northerner and muslims.the remaining 10 or less than 10 percent will Never hold or control any garrison where there is access to heavy armoury.
Who can deny the boko haram insurgents operate with intelligence reports successfully so far?of course they have insiders in the present administration and can easily manoeuvre their target aim to strike with little or no resistance.I stand by my notion.we split the country.simple.

dalebutt1:
Wow!! cant believe just how gullible grown up men and women Nigerians could be, In a country that poverty has become an household brand people would still not seize to give to people that would buy jets for all they care I know they will call it blessings of GOD. OMG!!!! How much dumb can people get. I am a christian and i have never in my life time practise another religion, but i refuse to sponsor a man like myself to buy a jet. what happens to flying first class isnt that enough? some of this givers cant even boast of a 3million naira car and they wouldnt stop giving for some guy to buy his family a jet. I refuse to allow a mere mortal take me for a fool. Please grow you lots fighting for MOG let GOD fight his fight

Not a bad presentation of opinion you gave here bro,at least to me,although you believe 'givers' in the household are in your words 'need to grow up'.
Let's start from here. Naturally no right thinking man would be giving to someone else when there is nothing to benefit. e.g material benefits. however since you said you are a christian and I hope a practising one too,have you ever read of "sowing"or " seeds"or "sacrificial giving" by bible characters of old.?Father Abraham is an epitome of such. A man who knew and understand the spiritual principle of 'giving'.(Pls if u don't believe in the law of harvest,then don't read further).I can state here categorically bible characters who knew how to exploit with giving.One even won war as a result of 'sacrificial giving'.
If your pastor (spiritual leader) practises what he or she preaches,what is wrong in you or anyone following same?paul wrote to timothy (now I don't want to preach)2Tim2:1-2.
But if your pastor only receives and does not give back,then you have a reason to question YOUR followership. Not all pastors would like to go air and announce how many millions of naira scholarship grants they gave,or how many orphans they sponsored or how massive the 'jet' gift they were given is.No serious minded minister would give so much credence and attention to temporary earthly benefits.Not becos they're not of virtue or good reprt,but they are temporary.However there is MYSTERY in giving and it takes only the determined to unlock it. try and see. when you decide to be a giver,"as inspired"do it as unto God.It could be as small as N50 that is consistent.even when men do not say 'thank you'. your harvest will come.The day you will be in need and ask HIM for help,bro,the help will come cos u have SOWN and YOU shall REAP.giving is sowing.its a mystery.
As per your statement on why "they"have not gone to iran,afganhistan,etc hehehehehe ol boy,ask those close to the missionary dept,I.e if your local assembly have one,there are house fellowships centers in those countries now,including saudi arabia.

NOW LET SOMEBODY SHOUT HALLELUJAH!!!

What baffles me on this thread and the' like' is why so much hatred from some Nigerians against popular nigerian pastors?especially those with big names and large congregational base? Do you presume if this MOG's had been 'conning' and 'defrauding' them all along and yet they keep increasing in numbers rather than diminishing?. Don't you think you may be wrong at least.Fine Bishop oyedepo had not come to spotlight to "declare" on public media as so many peeps expectations against boko boys but that has not meant he was for them?by the way,if da congregrats of these churches are not crying foul against their spiritual leaders using 'private jets' for overseas missions,(at least not for show off) then why you who is not even a member nor had contributed a dime?
I've seen on this NL how some folks expects the church to take over the responsibilities of government,which reasonably is uncalled for. The MOG should provide jobs,houses,water,schools,roads,bridges,farms,hospitals,electricity,security,etc then won't you ask what are the people we voted for are meant to do?besides the foreign loans our government are always too eager to borrow and use for "themselves"only to come back during election time and use the same manifest over and over again to seek election and re-election.
I strongly support the notion that most of the MOG need to ALWAYS stand and cry against unholy policies and agenda that drags the nation further down the dark tunnel,but how do you know if they were doing that or not whenever they have the "opportunity"with the govt officials on-one-on-one basis. It is not every one that can be an Elisha or Jeremiah or Isiaha or hosea as the case is with most of the prophets of old. All of them have their various ministerial assignments which is of uttermost priority and not politics.
Some are noisemakers with little or no effect while some,even though they do not grace the front page of dailies on daily basis,but once a while statements they made carries a lot of weight and messages.
Perhaps until when so many of the pastor's critics here are called for divine assignment and you find yourselves on the 'hot' seat,then u might realise "uneasy lies the head which wears the crown".
And please the idea of casting aspersions on fellow contributors should be down toned.have your say but don't call people" names". You wouldn't want them to address you by.let's keep this forum healthy.So many foreigners are reading and rating us on nairaland.

I am just so dumfounded at this.I mean,with their promises and theories when they were been screened by the national assembly on how to revive the nations economy and what polans and strategies they had in place.
I vivdly remember this woman decrying how foreign nationals in the oil industry have worked tirelessly to ensure past Nigerian govt favors their cause over the prosperity of the nation
.I am so sorry,but NIGERIA, I don't believe in her ANYMORE.While we pray,fast,write petitions,raise alarms on corruption,all those efforts were share waste of time and resources.its a pity.

I thot it was a joke at first until I saw this.is there any hope or future for NIGERIA at all. Read on
A female Minister from Hungerland Nigeria, Diezani
Allison-Madueke(50) buys for herself a 20-Million-
Euro-Villa in Vienna, Austria!, An Austrian
Daily, by name, HEUTE, dated 7.11.2011, reports
on its 11th page!!! Painful that this was not in
English but pictures no dey lie.
Like and share it until they repent.
news2.onlinenigeria.com/headlines/119303-diezani-alison-madueke-petroleum-resources-minister-buys-25m-house-in-austria.html

NL i say we make a topic here demanding for HEADS of the BOKO HARAM sponsors.I have been an ardent believe in patience especially with the governance of bro Jonathan,but obviously,he either is not in control or he is completely clueless.We deserve a public execution of those already arrested in connection with boko haram and likewise arrest of whosoever are there sponsors.PLEASE PRESIDENT JONATHAN,FOR ONCE STAND UP AND FIGHT LIKE A LION AND STOP BEING A LAMB FOR A WHILE FOR GOD SAKE.

Energy48:
It is your kind of talk that feeds the violence. You have to learn to talk peace. Gone are the days when might ruled without opposition. The world we live in today is different. Nobody has monopoly on power anymore. Even mighty America trembles at the thought of a Jihadist suicide bomber with a nuclear bomb strapped on his body ready to blow himself up in down-town NewYork. Therefore, America talks to her enemies and tries to avoid conflict. Learn how to get along with your neighbour peacefully in todays changed environment without your AK47. What is needed is dialogue, not sabre rattling.

dude and what peace are you refering to here? im trying my best to calm down but this is just no longer an issue of warning but an issue of ACTION.what provoked the senseless killing in the first place.Seriously,i call for division of Nigeria.And if brother jonathan wont allow us separating peacefully,then we can all do it VIOLENTLY.This just isnt fair AT ALL.

@ghostofsparta.

Cos the government too must make some cool dough.Nothing is for free in Nigeria.If you are the accused and needs to be bailed, you go pay, and if you are the plaintiff but dem use wayowayo arrange you as suspect, you go pay, its even better in baba suwes case, see lagos judiciary, anytime there is a case and the defendant pleads "NOT GUILTY",the next thing is "2 sureties to pay N500k each,who must also be tax payers to state government and must have evidence of land ownership.
You go laugh tire.

sheriffman:
ITS NO RIOT ITS ONLY A PROTEST AGAINST THE KILLING BY UNKNOWN GUNMEN AND ITS NOT EVEN IN KADUNA TOWN ITS IN ZONKWA,THATS SOMEWHERE IN SOUTHERN KADUNA.THE STORY HAS BEEN CIRCULATING THAT ITS IN KADUNA BUT ITS LIKE THAT.IF OUR OWN LOCAL MEDIA CANNOT REPORT STORIES CORECTLY HOW THEN CAN THEY EXPECT THE FOREIGN MEDIA TO REPORT FAVOURABLY?

And why are you writing this?Is southern Kaduna not part of Kaduna state or is just a remote village without any territorial link to kaduna state.stop it.

Sorry o my dear poster,I know the first time experience of been robbed will be somewhat "shocking".Mine happened while i was coming from Bauchi state to kaduna in the evening and i thought, God is this is how i am to end?but trust HIM,even when in fire,His presence will be there.They took my communicator phone and sone digi/video camera i was using for my assignments and didnt even bother to search my pocket for money.I guess they had enough already then.
After they were through with us,they were even the ones who beamed torch light for us to pick our scrambled contents all over the floor and when they think everone must have picked what ever 'litter' was on the road side,right from inside the bush they asked us to go.
guess what,from my close observation the boys could not be more than 16/17 years of age with dane guns,clubs and matchets.
And from the view of the very first one who stopped the our bus,he had full FULANI feature.Well the following morning when i got to the nearest police station in kaduna for me to have a police report,i was ked to pay N5000 which i vehemently protested.Imagine one bloody corporal was telling me thats not how to talk, and i gave it to her before one ASP nopw asked me to find them "Anything" for them to issue me POLICE REPORT.
Nigeria is a SICK country, with a terminal DISEASE, CORRUPTION.

Take heart and well,count it as one of those close shaves.However God was and is still with you.Believe it or not.So many had been killed for less than what they took from you.
Gday.

elseohjay:
Even Barry boy couldn't resist 

https://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab277/ssa2010/obama-checking-out-girl_474x403.jpg

Check out the cheeky grin on Sarkozy 

Ol boy seeing this photoshoped photo of Sarkozy and Obama made me laugh my heart out, very funny, I like your creativity too

ogajim:
@jidewin

I am not a farmer, owns no livestock, neither do I own a vineyard anywhere.

Unlike Abram, I have not had to fight any WAR on behalf of anyone or Country so the very idea of donating 10% of the war booty as tithe doesn't apply here.

Malachi was not addressed to me because I am neither a Priest in a Temple nor am I an occupant of the land god gave the Children of Jacob. By old Testament standards, I would be called a Gentile.

Your Old testament questions are here by rendered NULL and VOID (trite to say the least)

Are your Pastors (MOGs) from the tribe of Levi? Did anyone other than the Levites collect the tithe in Isreal in those days?

What does the DEBT paid by Jesus Christ on the Cross mean to you as a Christian?

Show an instance of someone who had no crops, livestock, etc paying tithe in the Bible.

Jimmmmmmm jim,hmmm
I will reply your "opinions" starting from the last line.I love the exact example you gave in line with livestocks,farm products and war lords.I was waiting for pastorkun on that.

1.Show an instance of someone who had no crops, livestock, etc paying tithe in the Bible
Tithe payment is not directed at anyone who is NOT WORKING NOR EARNING AN INCOME.And Pastor Adeboye would NEVER nor had taught that.if you have a counter proof,state here when he said so.
2.Debt Jesus paid on the cross was for my redemption from the power of sin,curse of the LAW that could not perfect the requirement for my salvation and liberation (exclusive of Giving and Paying God His dues i.e service,worship,honoring HIM with my substances,keeping my body from the power of immorality,the list goes on)and having a direct access to God through His Son Jesus for ANYTHING.
3.Are pastors(MOG) levites? Will you take your time to examine without bias who the levites were and their roles in the temple,in comparison to present day church officials (teachers,evangelist,pastors,prophets,apostles,etc)THEY ARE CHURCH/TEMPLE/SYNAGOGUE/PARISH and what other description,WORKERS.Especially in church ADMINISTRATION.
4.Nullifying and voiding Gods words with refrences by you is your PERSONAL OPINION.I have no prob with that bro except I wish you 'take another look at the scriptures' again.
5".Malachi was not addressed to me because I am neither a Priest in a Temple nor am I an occupant of the land god gave the Children of Jacob. By old Testament standards, I would be called a Gentile."
I like your admittance here although regretably,you have categorically declared you have no reason to be here on earth.WHY? Cos Pslm 24;1 The EARTHs(whether in Isreal,London,New York,Warri,Lagos or Osun state) is the Lords and the fullness thereof.You have sealed your fate hence.
6. "I am not a farmer, owns no livestock, neither do I own a vineyard anywhere.

Unlike Abram, I have not had to fight any WAR on behalf of anyone or Country so the very idea of donating 10% of the war booty as tithe doesn't apply here."
Hmmmm jimmy jimmy the man with sharrrrrp sense. So you if their vocation and occupation as of old was farming,animal husbandry and war lords,so where you are working is no vocation?you have no occupation?full time or part time.see excuses you are raising with human ideology.hmmm so when God said in Deut8:16-18 Thou shall remember the Lord thy God for it is HE who giveth thee POWER TO GET WEALTH.
Abi you think you are where you are as a result of your qualifications,connections.bros bia,if you won't be faith to God in "little"how then can you be faithful to Him when "wealth" comes your way.no wonder daddy taught us,"someone who is not faithful in paying tithe on N100 will find it hard to be faithful to pay tithe on N100,000".words of the elders,words of wisdom.
Well,readers,choice is yours.if you like keep questioning Gods instructions or preferably you obey Him becos u LOVE HIM.
As for me and every tither in the house.LET SOMEBODY SHOUT HALLELUYAH!!![b][/b]

HAAAA!! PASTOR KUN, JESUS IS LORD, SEE HOW YOU ARE TWISTING GOD'S WORD TO SUIT YOUR PREFERENCE FOR NOT PAYING TITHING, *I read your post with my two hands on my head*.
Was the "abolished law" CENTERED on tithe payment?was it not centered on ceremonial law?? Sacrifiices and use of blood.From your quotes (which I'm glad you did,mind you I read from verse 1)so CHRISTIANS are not commanded by God to pay tithe?but why are u doing this?this thread is been read by millions around the globe and your assertions here are appalling.Not even one out of the scriptures God commanded tithing is of no concern to you,because it is not so pronounced in the NT. Kai (and I'm shivering).
Now even though many of you people are accusing Pastor Adeboye for preaching tithe payment as fraud. it is most unfortunate. well I and MY household are constant tithe payers and likewise we pay our first fruits as The Good Lord Jesus provides.
However if pastor adeboye is beign judged as FRAUDULENT because he preaches and make it mandatory for us redeemers to pay our tithe,as he too does,and also if because of pastor erastus shameful act of misappropriation of funds,daddy adeboye would be labelled a crook by you,you are not only unjust,but also worse than the pharisees and saducees of old.
Repent.its never too late while you are still breathing.