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drrobert,

drrobert:
i though if i work in church all will be cool.
they hardly pay salaries but there is money circulating
we work listen to best messages of inspiration but our Pastor do not act what they seem
i really regret working in Christ embassy.

Work of ministry is for those who are called into it. You don't work in ministry for sake of pay

drrobert:
i though if i work in church all will be cool.

That mindset already makes you the wrong candidate.

they hardly pay salaries but there is money circulating

See your hypocrisy,you're contradicting yourself. If they don't pay salaries , how come money is circulating , among who?

You are lying in your teeth.What's your purpose for this kind of thread. . But anyone who knows CEC will know that the ministry doesn't play with staff salary. Pastor chris vehemently frown at such. Not only about staff but generally , as Christians, he teaches us to honour agreement, pay those who work for you, he has a popular phrase. "Never let the poor cry to God for you" he says a man that doesn't honour agreement or his word will not be able to command spiritual authority. there is a proper way to report any issue like that officially so, how does one even know you were ever a staff, which branch of the church. What's your name.

we work listen to best messages of inspiration but our Pastor do not act what they seem
i really regret working in Christ embassy.

You are the one that is not following pastor chris teaching. Pastor Chris teaches against, illicit relationships, especially those who patronise prostitutes, he had said such union is a blood covenant and that if you sleep with someone that has demons on the inside even as a Christian, you will surely have demons invade your life. But you live such degrading and terrible life by patronising whores!

drrobert:
hi Girls,
I'm looking for a big sexy lady in lagos
,if you fit please mail drhenry6@yahoo.com

Some demons you've contacted are running in your head already . How can the sanctuary work be coool for you.

1 Corinthians 6:15-16
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make[ them] the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

Enigma:
Thank you! So please don't use Matthew 23:23 to preach tithing to anyone again; or at least do not again use Matthew 23:23 to claim that Jesus advocated tithing for Christians.
To bring the thread back to topic, Jesus was saying in Matthew 23:9 that his followers should not call any earthly person father.
So, ajuwaya!

Ofcourse Jesus wasn't talking to The church but at least he didn't condemn tithe but rather encouraged it. But that's not my favourites scripture anyway. Maybe you're refering to ttonye.
Tithing was primary source of welfare for priests in the OT. The preaching of the gospel of christ has replaced the levitical priesthood.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live[ of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

MyJoe:
Sorry, but I'd like citations for the highlighted. The way I recall it, James was a member of the church governing council at Jerusalem. That council rejected such things as circumcision as part of compulsory Christian practices when they were asked to arbitrate on the matter (Acts 15). Perhaps I am getting things mixed up.

They rejected some of the burden they laid on people after Paul had proven himself in their presence and try couldn't deny the fact of his calling. The early church was not perfect in every way . It was a growing church.

James was an anointed man of God and he taught great principles. But he did not have depth of knowledge of truth as paul , so they had some diffences. Paul and john were the apostles that really had so much depth of truth .I thought I explained in the post some of the issues with James

SALVATION BY WORKS

PAUL SAYS

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:[ it is] the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

JAMES
James 2:14
14 What[ doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

JUSTIFICATION BY WORK

PAUL
Romans 3:28
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

JAMES
James 2:24
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

James taught on separation

PAUL

Galatians 3:28
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.


Galatians 2:12
12 For before that[b] certain came from James[/b], he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.


But paul's teaching was clear, of the union of the Jews and gentile.

   James taught circumcision in the flesh
The book of Galatians was to debunk such teachings of mixing Judaism with the gospel especially circumcision in the flesh.it should be noted that Chapter 2 of galatians was preached on peter by Paul .

PETER FEARED JAMES.

Galatians 2:11-12
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, [b]fearing [/b]them which were of the circumcision.

This is just to mention some  of the issues. James had good practical doctrines, but sometimes his good principles lacked the proper spiritual vocabulary . The point is . It was Paul that Jesus really gave deep insight into revelation of the church .   John was another person that caught the doctrines of Jesus among the apostles of the lamb.

aletheia:
^I am not in hiding.  Though you want me dead.

You were dead in ignorance tey tey

Very soon you will mobilize mabel & co to come and post on this thread.

Are you scared? The ones you mobilised are doing just fine.  But you're right, I should make few calls.  MBA emeka, where are you?

[quite] They are welcome to come see how your lies against the Bible have been exposed

[/quote]what I only see you expose is your ignorance. And insincerity

[quote]My, what big teeth you have!

You created the teeth for me and it will bite liars and manipulators like you.

aletheia:
Praise be to God that today on this thread, he has exposed your lies for all to see^If you knew the Truth than you would have been set free. But the truth dwells not in you, otherwise you would not be here lying brazenly and trying to pass it off as truth. Our Master said it best:

KJV: John Chapter 8:44. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
You can term it street fight or whatever but the time for dialogueing with wolves who ravage the flock of Jesus is over! No negotiation with the devil! God's command is clear: Resist the devil. . .
Unlike you who is steeped in spiritual pride, I can admit when wrong and accept correction but the question is can you dare do such?
What do you understand by the phrase: "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."? You lot bandy that whenever your lies are challenged. It is the fig leaf you try to use to cover your abject unclothedness like the Laodicean church! To you Jesus says:

KJV: Revelation 3:18. I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy unclothedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

^Again you repeat the lie. Thank God for the witness of Acts 15 which clearly establishes that you are a liar.
^Hypocrite! When the post indicts you; it becomes unnecessarily long as if you yourself don't have long posts. A large part of the post is Acts from the Bible. Maybe "time management" is what makes you read the bible upside down.
"The letter killeth": Another scripture wrenched out of context, twisted and panel-beated to say what you want it to say. Silly man, have you looked up the meaning of the word synecdoche yet? In the context of scripture doesn't that phrase "The letter killeth" refer to the Law and how no-one is justified by keeping the Law? If James had said anything favorable about tithes: then he would have been your darling, you greedy follower of Balaam.
^Keep lying that the world will see the truth about you false pastor.
Firstly, the events of which Paul wrote in Galatians are clear for anyone with even a modicum of understanding. Summarized as follows:
#1. Peter, Paul and Barnabas were in Antioch.
#2. They were certain Jews who were preaching that Gentiles had to be circumcised (Peter was not one of them).
#3. Some people sent by James arrived
#4. Peter, Barnabas  and some others bowed to "public opinion" and separated themselves from the Gentiles (contrary to the gospel that they had hitherto preached)
#5. Peter was to be blamed because he knew better. Galatians 2:11, 14; Acts 10 [God had already shown him that the Gentiles had a share in the gospel]
No where in this account does it say that the men James sent came and preached that Gentiles had to be circumcised. It is astounding that you are brazen enough to lie like this when Acts 15 is there for you to read and see what James himself said on this matter.

Secondly, you wrote this nonsense above: "James was the pastor of the church in Jerusalem, he took over leadership from Peter. Probably because he was a blood brother to Jesus christ. So people feared him even Peter feared him. Look at the authority with which he spoke at the conference in Jerusalem after the uproar. Paul that was more anointed would not even talk to his elders like that."

Again you betray your lack of understanding compounded by willful error. Did you suppose that the True Church of God is structured like the false churches that you are so proud of? God arranged that leadership of his Church be provided by a plurality of elders, each holding each other accountable before God as Paul did for Peter. And as Paul himself also subjected himself to accountability before Peter, James and John in the same Galatians that you are trying to twist.

KJV: Galatians 2:2. And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
And:
KJV: Acts 21:18. And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.

As you can see from Acts 15 and 21 and referenced by Paul in 1 Cor 15:1-4: it is a plurality of elders. James was preeminent no doubt but where do you find it written "that people feared him" or "Paul more anointed". Stop this nonsense now! Every true Christian has the same anointing [the Holy Spirit] but different gifts.
^Proof needed. Show me the thread where I acknowledged myself as a teacher. Apparently the baby food is giving you logorrhea.
^Childish tantrums? Now you want me shot (presumably dead). And why such a response from one who claims to be a follower of Christ. Did I not say thank God, that on this thread it will be fully revealed that you are a wolf, a false teacher, for it is wolves who desire the death of those who tell them the truth. Your response is in keeping with your father, the devil: He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth.

KJV: John 3:19-21.
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

aletheia:
Post script: I missed addressing this part of your post. More insidious lies to lead the sheep of Jesus astray.
And thus you dismiss the following as the Law of Moses:
#1. Abstaining from pollutions of idols.
#2. Abstaining from fornication.
#3. Abstaining from blood and things strangled.

Anyone reading this will know that these are the things that occult practitioners, and followers of the enemy delight in, (they have serious spiritual implications as seen in the history of the Israel) yet Joagbaje dismisses the command that Christians abstain from these things as "Law of Moses" forgetting that these commands of God predate Moses (Genesis 9). To him it would be justified to partake of them since they fall under the rubric of the Law of Moses (How convenient for him that tithes don't fall under the Law of Moses).

Joagbaje is no Christian but a false teacher, a wolf ravening the flock of Jesus.

So you finally came out of your hiding place to post another  empty nonsense. I'm not against long post but long junk post that is off topic.

You've not address the issues of discussion, did Paul have issues with James ?

James was an anointed man of God and he taught great principles. But he did not have depth of knowledge of truth as paul, so they had some diffences. Paul and john were the apostles that really had so much depth of truth .I thought I explained in the post some of the issue paul had with James.

James taught on separation
James taught circumcision in the flesh
James taught salvation by work

Enigma:
Please explain who you mean by "they" in the above, thanx.

He was talking to the Pharisees .

Enigma:
^^^ The point I am making is that while

(a) in Matthew 23:9 Jesus did tell his disciples/followers not to call any person father (including scribes, Pharisees, "church leaders/pastors" etc);

(b) in Matthew 23:23 on the other and, Jesus did NOT tell his disciples/followers per se to pay tithes!


In Matthew 23:9 Jesus was instructing his followers whereas in Matthew 23:23 Jesus was upbraiding the scribes and Pharisees as hypocrites.

Well from my own understanding he said they ought to pay tithes.

Matthew 23:23
23"Yes, woe upon you, Pharisees, and you other religious leaders-- hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden, but ignore the important things-- justice and mercy and faith. Yes, you should tithe, but you shouldn't leave the more important things undone.

Enigma:
It's interesting that Pasiitor Joagbaje says that Matthew 23:9 was referring to Pharisees who are "not part of the church"! This same Joagbaje had in the past argued that Matthew 23:23 (only a few verses later) applies to the "church" and that Jesus was approving "tithing" for Christians.

The truth is that when Jesus said do not call any man father he had the scribes and the Pharisees in particular view but Jesus was talking to His own disciples and followers (the multitude). So Jesus' followers are not to call any earthly person "father"; I think it is clear that this excludes biological/parental father. The apostle Paul might have written in the terms that he did; but he was being figurative and would not have expected fellow Christians to call him "father" and neither would they have necessarily done so as a matter of practice.

On the other hand when Jesus said that those who paid "tithes" ought to have done it without neglecting the weightier matters, he was in fact no longer directing that message at His disciples and followers; rather, He was now upbraiding the scribes and Pharisees specifically and directly.  Compare the three verses below:

Matthew 23:1 (from here until verse 12, Jesus was speaking to and instructing His followers)

Matthew 23:13 (Here Jesus starts to upbraid the scribes and Pharisees)

The tithemongers' beloved Matthew 23:23 (Again, Jesus upbraiding the scribes and Pharisees specifically)

Of course it is reasonable to say that even when Jesus was upbraiding the scribes/Pharisees, the rest of the multitude and the disciples could have learned from what He was saying; still it should be borne in mind that Matthew 23:23 in particular was said in the specific context of observance of the law by persons still then under the law. Whereas the 'do not call any man father' injunction was in a context that included observance of traditions under the law and beyond --- when you read further from verse 9 through until verse 12.

I'm not advocating to start calling people "father" in church, but nothing is wrong with that. I had the understanding the scripture refers to earthly parent I. Support of my stand on parental authority, but Kunle pointed out it refers to religious leaders. I didn't argue it, even though I've not done a deeper study, but from what it appears, he was right. But other scriptures still support my stand on the point I brought forth. That verse only appear to be inappropriate for it
So I don't get the point you are making.

aletheia:
I have told you before that poor English comprehension is probably the basis for your heresies. Please look up the meaning of this word "Synecdoche". I remember we were taught in secondary school. Gospel of the uncircumcision simply means then Gospel to the gentiles, while gospel of the circumcision is Gospel to the Jews. Prithee, sir: tell us what difference there was since you seem to suggest so, and no doubt this misapprehension and confusion of terms is responsible for this rubbish you wrote below:

I may not be 100% excellent grammatically, but I know truth and I'm happy for that, You are the one who is 1000% lettered and your spiritual understanding is 0. You are blind to truth and too hasty to jump into erroneous conclusion.

^Thank God for the Bible because today on this thread, it will be established that both Joagbaje and Tonye-t are wolves masquerading as sheep and lying through their teeth against the Bible.

It's a long time we heard that from you wolf , wof, You are not man enough to admit it when you are wrong so you turn to street fight. Let's daaru. But you are the real wolf. Pretending to know Jesus but deny the power.

#1. What doctrines of James that Paul didn't approve of? List them here for us now.

James taught that the gentiles must be circumcised according to the law of moses to be saved.
Go through my old posts for the rest. An insincere person like you should not give me work.

#2. What revelation or assignment from Jesus is different from Matthew 28:18-20; unless it is the revelation and assignment you dreamt up for yourself, which is why it will differ between joagbaje and tonye-t.

you have bad comprehension of scriptures. I know it's because you are not a spirit filled Christian .all you see is letter. "the letter killeth"

The church is called to go into all the world. But each christian cannot go into all the world. You reach your world ( your sphere of contact) This is both geographically and vocationally. According to the grace upon each person.Today Some people are reaching out to children world, some reaching the gangsters, some reaching business men. You find your place.

In fact what comes out clearly in both of you people's response is the shoddy and relativistic way that you handle truth.
Specific lies uttered on this thread
Joagbaje's
Lie #1. Bible evidence against Joagbaje:
KJV: Acts 15:1. And certain men which came down from Judæa taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
^Does it say James? Answer: No

KJV: Acts Chapter 15:13-22.
And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Verdict: Joagbaje lied.

One of my major problem with your post is , you bring up unnecessarily long write ups that wears one out. Instead of going straight to your point. You want to feel scholastic! Did they ever teach you time management?

Now let me respond to your long empty letter. Those guys Paul talked about were from James. James was the pastor of the church in Jerusalem, he took over leadership from Peter. Probably because he was a blood brother to Jesus christ. So people feared him even Peter feared him. Look at the authority with which he spoke at the conference in Jerusalem after the uproar. Paul that was more anointed would not even talk to his elders like that.

Acts 15:13-22.
And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:.

[/quote]Then he went bla bla bla like altheia the time waster. And ended up in the law of Moses as usual.

[quote]Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

The bible records that those who troubled paul's ministry in galati a were from James. He was their pastor , the scripture above is enough evidence of his doctrine. Who will dare challenge James the mighty, THE LOOOORDS BROTHER? Even "Pope" Peter feared James.

We can forget paul's account how Peter came to visit Paul and ate with the gentiles which was against James teachings, but some of James disciples came , Peter ran!

Galatians 2:12-15
12 Here's the situation. Earlier, before certain persons had come from James, Peter regularly ate with the non- Jews. But when that conservative group came from Jerusalem, he cautiously pulled back and put as much distance as he could manage between himself and his non- Jewish friends. That's how fearful he was of the conservative Jewish clique that's been pushing the old system of circumcision. 13 Unfortunately, the rest of the Jews in the Antioch church joined in that hypocrisy so that even Barnabas was swept along in the charade.
14 But when I saw that they were not maintaining a steady, straight course according to the Message, I spoke up to Peter in front of them all:"If you, a Jew, live like a non- Jew when you're not being observed by the watchdogs from Jerusalem, what right do you have to require non- Jews to conform to Jewish customs just to make a favorable impression on your old Jerusalem cronies?"
15 We Jews know that we have no advantage of birth over"non- Jewish sinners."


Did they come from James ? Yes. Altheia was lying in his or her teeth.

Lie #2:[/b]Bible evidence against Joagbaje:
[b] He was their father spiritually

KJV: Matthew Chapter 23:8-10.
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.Verdict: Joagbaje lied

You implied here two things

1. It is wrong to call someone a father spiritually.

1 Corinthians 4:15-16
15 For although you may have ten thousand others to teach you about Christ, remember that you have only me as your father. For I was the one who brought you to Christ when I preached the Gospel to you. 16 So I beg you to follow my example and do as I do.


Paul also have several people he called sons, which indicates he assume the position of "father" over them. Jesus wasn't writing to the church baby.

2.It is wrong to call someone a teacher.

1 Corinthians 12:28
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.


Jesus was not writing to the church, he was dealing with a Jewish system that has ended. You are hypocritical to say such things because you yourself has answered to be a teacher in some thread, (teacher my foot) baby food teaching.

QUESTION : was joagbaje wrong?
Answer : No
Was altheia right? Noooo

Verdict: guilty
Sentence: he or she should be shot!

GBOA! GBOAA!! GBOA!!
Sorry. I meant BANG! BANG!!

KunleOshob:
When Jesus said call no man father in matthew 23:9, he was talking within the temple(church) setting. He was refering to the elders/pharisees/saducees, in short the leadership of the church. If you read from the beginning of the chapter in context, this would become clear to you. Or better still read from the amplified bible, the amp bible makes it clear that Jesus was refering to the "church" leadership by that statement an NOT their biological father.

Youre right its probablly talking of the pharisees. But at the same time The Pharisees were not part of the church.

1 Corinthians 4:15-16
15 After all, though you should have ten thousand teachers( guides to direct you) in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers. For[b] I became your father[/b] in Christ Jesus through the glad tidings( the Gospel). 16 So I urge and implore you, be imitators of me.

JeSoul:
PastorJoe, it has nothing per say to do with the thread. It has everything to do with my last conversation with you. I figured since you didn't get the chance to return there, I'd get that off my chest here.
As for my compliment, I meant every single word of it.

The name is joagbaje, I don't know the issue you had with me. Maybe you should explain it.

LET ME BE CLEAR

Based on the thread , there is nothing wrong in pastors not exchanging pulpit. It is not a law , it is not compulsory. It is rather called " focus". . A minister should focus on his assignment. It is only if a minister feels that the grace upon another man is required in his own ministry that there would be need for such invitation. If a man is a teacher, and he doesn't have gift of miracle, if he perceives as a pastor that there is a need for such, he goes ahead and invites a healing minister. You don't just invite without a purpose. But the person you'll be inviting over will not be teaching contrary to what you teach.

Deeper life will not invite pastor Adefarasin they will have issues with skirts and trousers. That's the issue with Paul and James. Paul and Barnabas are not good enough as example. All the ministers work together as builders of Gods kingdom. But they have different callings and assignment . They also don't function at same level of revelation or knowledge.  

James was still mixing Jewish custom with the gospel , a teaching Paul frowned at. He taught that the gentile Christians have to be circumcised after the law to be saved among other things he taught based on his level of understanding. Paul even had to call some of James brethren false ,because they were trying to pollute the Gentiles with the law
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Galatians 2:3-5
3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised: 4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: 5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.





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JeSoul:
You know I really thank God for your presence here. And I mean that honestly. You're such an invaluable asset to NL.

I was enjoying your compliment until the second part.

, so we can get some understanding of how this crafty empire operates, an empire that was long prophesied and is built on the calcified bones of the departed gullible, and nourished on the souls of the living zombies to whom false hopes are sold to in exchange for a piece of their pocket.

What has this got to do with the thread? Moderator.

But yet, it is well. Pastor Joe, it is well.

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Tonye, I have said what I will say and I'm satisfied to leave it at that.
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Tonye-t:
Hey common Jbabe,

I cant seem to understand where you are coming from sef? didnt you read up the OP's intro post? He feels they would not invite each other because they prolly worship different Gods . . . cant you read it up there?

Poster is mistaken their individual calls for their worship. . .therefore i came up to explain that the UNINVITATION could result from the DIFFERENCE IN THEIR MINISTRIES.

For instance, Peter was still busy preaching the circumcision after the flesh, while Paul came up with the circumcision after the word. And yet their both conceptions will pass for salvation.

John the Baptist came with the message of repentance and even his disciples fasted so much, while for Jesus, his disciples were almost overfeeding everywhere yet their individual conceptions will pass for salvation.

Check this out : Oyedepo believes in the use of Handkerchiefs and anointing oil and it works for his ministry with scriptural backgrounds, lives are changed and transformed. But Chris believes miracles and healing could come thru' the impartation of the Holy spirit in your faith-man and it works for him. Now dont you think bringing Oyedepo to Christ Emb. will only introduce the use of handks and olive oil which the other's ministry was not founded on. - ^{Paraphrased from Joagbaje's brilliant discourse}.

Hellloooooooooo!

We need to add more calcium for their milk teeth

You should remember Pauls report of the Jerusalem council

Galatians 2:7-9
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as[ the gospel] of the circumcision[ was] unto Peter; 8( For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we[ should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

JeSoul:
Edited for maximum effect:

1 Cor 3: "For when one says, “I follow Paul Oyakhilome's ministry ,” and another, “I follow Apollos Oyedepo ministry,” are you not mere men? What, after all, is Apollos Oyedepo? And what is Paul Oyakhilome?

Paul was rebuking the church under his care. He started those churches. He was their father spiritually . He was only dealing with unrully members who looked down on his apostleship.

Tonye-t:
J-babe when a poster creates a thread its always good we understand his intent for creating one lest we could end up confused and disarrayed. Dont you think it aint good we reply comments out-of-poster's-context. Pls lets kindly go back and see the poster's comment and his biases

[color=#000099]The poster feels because Oyedepo hasnt gone to christ embassy therefore insinuates that they WORSHIP DIFFERENT GOD. Why did he feel this way? because he presumes their churches to be BUSINESS CENTRES.  

He believes Chris' church creaves for massive business membership and thus wouldnt jeopardize its business center quest. And so came here to ask what we feel about his vain question. . . dont you think so?  

My first comment i wanted to give was this: If Pastor Oyedepo hasnt preached in chris Embassy, at least Pastor Adefarasin has. (but then i noticed his baises and it is very different from what ya'll think. . .read it again and lets hear yours!

Thank you my brother. Some are so hasty to comment. I'm disappointed at the one that calls himself a moderator . He should be sacked?

Image123:
Eh eh, which one is Paul's church and James' church? BTW, they both preached and wrote to the same audience.

Paul's message was to the Gentiles , even though he preferred the Jews. But James and Peter were sent to the Jews

aletheia:
^Here we go again. Apparently, you went away for a season but you are now back; not so?
Three sentences. Each one loaded with error.
#1. James was the pastor of the church in Jerusalem.
#2. Paul had several churches under him.
#3. They both had some differences in their doctrines.

"Pastor" provide the evidence for these claims please.

I'm sure we've discussed this before in other threads. James had his doctrines that Paul didn't approve of. But that didn't make them insult each other. Every pastor has his assignment and revelation. Pastor oyedepo use medium such as handkerchief ,oil etc. Washing of feet. But pastor chris doesn't use such . So why will they invite each other. But they still believe in each other's ministry.

The Clown:
@Joagbaje

Yea I'm.

In spite of what you think a clown is, in African tradition, only a court clown can look at a king in the eye and tell him the bitter truth, laughing, and he can do nothing it.
In this sense, yea, I'm.
And I would tell you the truth like a clown,
You are getting derailed completely. Nothing which tend or seem to have a seal of Pastor Oyakhilome on it is wrong to you, and you feel you must draw flawed inferences from the Holy and Sacred Bible. Please wake up your ideas.

So what's your point? I don't see what contribution you've made in the thread.

The Clown:
@Joagbaje

You are completely getting derailed. Sad how truthful you think you are.

Clown, is that your name? You're really one!

chukwudi44:
Look at this ignoramus,who told you the Apostles attended differant churches?Did you not read Pauls charge to the corinthians.One planted another watered but they all ministered to the same flock.
This idea of private churches has no biblical basis

James was the pastor of the church in Jerusalem . Paul had several churches under him. They both had some differences in their doctrines.

Why didn't apostle James preach in apostle paul's churches?

@Nuclearboy,

The churches refered to were physical churches and not spiritual. If you think otherwise , proove it.

Image 123

This is a great writeup. But I have issues with some of the posts.

Image123:
More specifically, let me share on the pastor. It seems to be the most coveted of the 5 offices, seeing He(the pastor) is the official ruler in his resident church and 'doesn't seem to need much of a spiritual gift' compared to the other 4 offices. Everybody wants to be pastor[b](who no like to be king).[/b] You'll easily be nicknamed 'pastor' than other offices, it is a coveted position.

I don't agree with your use of language here, it is derogatory to the office of a pastor. People don't covet Pastor's office. It is a calling and responsibility, not in the sense of lording it over Gods people. It is not a Childs play.

Hebrews 5:4
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, .

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Image123:
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  God has given His church 5 people: apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. These 5 offices are gifts which may be seen one or more per individual to whom it is given. Again, they are not everybody's office but gifts, and each local church would do well to have these 5 offices available for effective work of the ministry, the perfecting of saints and building the body of Christ.
Just an apostle isn't balanced for the work, or just a prophet, or just a teacher. All 5 offices will bring the right balance. It has been the bane of the general church that most lean on just one or so of the 5 offices. Some churches are filled with prophets, no teacher, no apostle. Another church has a pastor but no evangelist, no teacher. I'm not talking about title, like sunday school teacher, or tagged an apostle because you finished seminary. I'm referring to the gifts God has given His church.

The 5 fold ministry are not necessarily needed in a local church. They are gifts to the body of christ and not a local church. Ofcourse I agree with you that a pastor is for a local church. But an apostle? . An apostle could be the head of a ministry, but he doesn't need more apostle in the local branches under him but pastors.
Maybe You throw more light on that.

Sensua +carnal minded nuclearboy

you should adress your matter to image123.

nuclearboy:
@image123:

I thought what my Bible says is that Christ was speaking to the "ANGEL"s of the seven churches? What version of the Bible are you using? and how do you turn "Angel" to pastor/representative/angel? Is Angel Micheal of the Hosts of Heaven a "pastor"?

Angel simply means ,minister or messenger. And not flying saucer

Galatians 4:14
14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God,[ even] as Christ Jesus.

Galatians 4:14
14 Even though my illness was difficult for you, you didn't despise or reject me. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were God's messenger or Christ Jesus himself.

I AM AN ANGEL!

yommyuk:
@ Joagbaje
My question is rich in what?
The list is board.

Rich in all that the enemy stole. Eternal life is a life of fulness. Reigning in dominion, poverty, sin, death, failure,sickness.

Jesoul,

JeSoul:
Toba, her level of "spiritual maturity" is completely irrelevant. 1 Tim 2:5 doesn't make any distinction between which level of mature christians can go to Jesus/God directly and who can't.
The request in this case is simple, "Lord please direct me". The bible is clear God will answer to all who call on Him out of a sincere heart. That's all that matters.

How can God direct, when you already overwhelmed with passion. Some of you are so ignorant of the importance of the pastoral ministry, how come it's in marriage matter people easily claim I was led by SPIRIT. You've not been trained to be led in soul winning or any other spiritual thing but when lust and passion start working , you say I was led to marry,He will soon lead you to marry unbeliever! and soon end in divorce. A pastor knows beyond you. He will ask some questions, he is ordained to lead people into Gods destiny. Why would Paul be counselling the early church over marriage. When they all have equal holy spirit. Don't make light the pastoral ministry. This only proves you need a pastor too .

Every Christian is rich already, preachers only let them know what belongs to them. It is part of the gospel. It is Not by force. At least they have a right to know. If you tell people they have dominion over , sin , over Satan, over, demons why is it a matter to tell them of their dominion over poverty and lack. They are the seed of Abraham for God sake!