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@manmustwas

Quote from: Joagbaje on September 04, 2010, 09:43 AM
Moderator,
Please if I make a mistaken in the title of a thread, how do I go about correcting it. Secondly if I make a post and observe I had made an error , is there room for editing or correcting it after it has been posted?
Thanks

You see toba even joagbaje who started the topic realizes that he's only human and admits to his mistake.

That's not actually what I was referring to, I was to write michael jackson in full only for me to see it was only Michael that was written. Which may suggest angel micheal

There had been one or two other threads that had typing errors or omissions in time past. I just asked in general.

I'm sure the programme has passed and gone. What did he say in the programme. Why having blind argument over assumptions . Did anyone attend , that would have been the ground for criticism.

Image123:
They're both correct and agreed, it's not a matter of having great idea and using poor vocab. It's the same thing all over scripture. It is not just the Word of X and Z but in truth the Word of God. It is scripture and EVERY Word of God is pure. You're the wrong one, never the Word. That's basic sunday school.

I am the wrong one? Pls explain.

@nuclearboy

Thats why its you that steal from hotels, banks, even yourselves all to give chris. Imagine the extent of derangement that makes your people steal from your own bank to give your oily chairman.

What is all these songs about stealing from hotel. Are you a woman? You talk Like someone that can't let go of another mans mistake. You won't let the world rest because of one man's mistake or error. Did he say church taught him to be stealing ? . You're being too petty.

Pastor AIO,

Deuteronomy 23:18
18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a LovePeddler, or the price of a dog, into the house of the Lord thy God for any vow: for even both these[ are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.

I agree with you. But A pastor has no way of determining the source of an offering or donation. Jesus did not ask where Mary Madgalene God the money for the perfume she poured on him. Even though tradition says she was a LovePeddler

It is not the responsibility of the church to return such money. If such a thing is allowed , Satan will use it as attack against churches. He will just get his guys to donate into a church project with the intention of getting the church indebted. After the money might have been used for tv broadcast or building project, the church may go bankrupt because it is satanic set up. What happens to criminal that gives money to orphanage. Will the orphan pay back. What happens to the money the criminal spent in beer parlour, taxi, airplane, or hotel who pays back? Taxi driver?. No of course! Thesame way, the church can not be made to pay back such money. In the first place the church did not know the source , and the church has no way of finding out the source of such money. So abusing pastors and G.Os is not the issue. If the church has to pay back, then several people will pay back too; from taxi driver to food seller.

Moderator,
Please if I make a mistaken in the title of a thread, how do I go about correcting it. Secondly if I make a post and observe I had made an error , is there room for editing or correcting it after it has been posted?
Thanks .

manmustwac:
@joeabaje
Your topic title Pastor Chris Used The Venue That Micheal Could Not Use dose not make sense. So i changed it to NIGHT OF BLISS with Pastor Chris were you there?

Well I don't think it was necessary sir, but as the court pleases.

SirJohn:
Joagbaje, you seen not to slack at any opportunity to spread your WOF/ new age nonsense: 'THE SPOKEN WORD'. not everything is verbalized Joagbaje.
Again Joagbaje can you please tell us how Chris defines 'meditation' no pranks please

Get pastor Chris message on Rhema of God. Lordship of Jesus and "The classic message" He taught on the three levels of meditation

You should rather tell me about your own revelation of mind prayer

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Song of Songs 1:6
6 Look not upon me, because I[ am] black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards;[ but] mine own vineyard have I not kept.

Maybe the sun is to be blamed.

@enigma

Enigma:
@Joagbaje

Regarding your question on when a person is saved?

Answer: when God saves the person. If you want to know the precise minute or second, ask God!!! I suspect however that you know better than God anyway.

I'm dealing with precission of timing. I'm dealing with your theological point of view. From my knowledge of the bible, it's instant. Chukwudi says it will be determined in heaven, some others says when a man become perfect and sanctified. Someone once told me , that when God is pleased with you , he will then write your name in the lambs book. That he knows the day God wrote his name, he saw heaven opened when he was doing evangelism and saw his name in a scroll. You must present your case from a perspective.

vescucci:
why?

Through the twitter network, we can all pray at the same time at different intervals. Mostly we pray along with pastor chris by 12pm 10 pm . Pastro chris sends messages on Twitter to everyone on what topic we will be praying about next. Such as praying for the sick in the hospital. Praying for children, nations, praying for the furtherance of the gospel world wide. Imagine the power invoked when about a million people pray at the same time worldwide.

chukwudi44:
@joagbaje

listen to bible speak

Hebrews 6:4-6 (King James Version)

4Fo[b]r it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [/b]

5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame

From the above quote you can see that it is possible for someone who had tested the fruit of the spirit and beleived in christ to loose salvation.

I don't think I ever deny the fact that a man once born again can fall out. I have quoted that scripture severaly on NL.

Enigma,
At what point does a man get saved?

Enigma:
A. The first part seems like you just reproduced material from your CEC Manual. Until you drop your Manual and Rhapsody of erRoRs [/b]you will always struggle to accept what the Bible teaches.

[b]Instead of quoting your manual why not try answering the question again using only the Bible? Does Acts 2 say the 3000 were born again instantly? Acts 2 and 1 Cor 1 talk about people "being saved" ("on the way to salvation"; please explain those passages in their own right without reference to CEC Manual or doctrine!

Must you add nauseating hodgepodge in your post? The rhapsody would have been a great help to your milk teeth. I quoted scripture. I've explained to you about the issue of salvation, which you seem to have neglected. The work of regeneration is instantaneous.  The acts chapter 2  you quoted does not suggest process of salvation for an individual. But original manuscripts didnt suggest that . I will make it clearer for you in a moment.

B. You say the household of Cornelius got saved at the hearing of God's word through Peter. Can you please tell us where you got tis information --- or are you adding to Scripture again? Can you tell us when exactly during Peter's speech they were saved then? Remember that even while Peter yet spoke before/without making an "altar call" the Holy Spirit actually descended on the people.

Did I talk about an altar call?. Certain people get saved in a spectacular way. Without altar call, Even here in Nigeria. But they still confess the lordship of christ.

C. You say the household of Cornelius must have acted by faith on Peter's teaching. Was this by confession by mouth which you say is necessary? Was this by silent/mind prayers which you say is not enough or acceptable.

Definitely,when the holyghost inspire a person and reveal Jesus to his heart and he confess his lordship. He is saved. Did you read that they were magnifying God. That' confession of faith. They would have declared his lordship in the process, because Peter was presenting Jesus ton them .

Acts 10:46
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.

D. Additional Question: you say "There is nothing a natural man will offer God that will be accepted until he gives his heart to God first." By this quote you have always meant that the person has to be born again first before his "good works" can be accepted by God
Question: How come the angel told Cornelius "Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God." at a time when Cornelius had not yet been "born again" according to your theology?

Cornelius was already a proselyte, he believed in the God of the Jews and was serving God to the best of his knowledge. But didn't realize that the system has changed. He believed in the God of the Jews and was seeking him. God has to direct him aright. his giving of alms was according to jewish law. There was a memorial under the law.

Mind prayer is unscriptural. But there is room for meditation. Which renews your mind, but it's not a prayer. Your Greg Braden guy is not a Christian

Jenwitemi:
I disagree with joagbaje that this woman should send priests to make amends to the other woman, she should do it herself. That should help her character development which she desperately need.

I didn't say she should send priests. She said the woman had been sending people to apologise.

mama-gee:
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But, there's a problem, she's too proud to apologize to the woman and instead have asked people to beg the woman on her behalf instead of begging and asking for forgiveness, she has blatantly refused to aplogize and wants the woman to call her first and apologize instead of the other way round but she keeps asking priests and reverend sisters to beg for her.

So, guys do you all think she'll apologize in the future?[/color]

I only said she should accept the apologies through other people instead of endlessly waiting.

Enigma,
You still haven't answered me , from your point of view, at what point does a man get saved.

Enigma:
^^^
OK I will indulge you a little and I will keep it simple.

1. You said the salvation of the 3000 in Acts 2 was "instant" ---- so I asked you for proof of that statement. (Please remember that I have now quoted passages saying people were being saved.

Here is it.Being born again is an instant experience. We use such term as soul winning or soul saving generally. But soul winning is a process an not an instantaneous experience. But we use the  phrase in generic term.
Man is a spirit, he has a soul he lives in a body. The soul is the realm of man's feelings, emotions, thoughts , appetites, etc the door is the mind. The body is the man's outer case. But the spirit is the real person .
With the spirit, man makes contact with God and the spiritual realm. With the soul, he makes contact, emotionally and intellectually . And with the body, he makes contact with the material world.    

When a man get saved or born again, it is the spirit of man that gets regenerated. But the soul ( mind) is not born again,  The body also is not born again. But God desires the perfection of all.

1 Thessalonians 5:23
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and[ I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


So the spirit gets saved instantly a man receives christ. But the salvation of the soul(mind) is gradual. It will keep being saved until perfection or when the man gets to heaven. That is the essence of spiritual growth. What saves a man's  spirit is when he recieves the life of God in his spirit . But the soul is saved gradually through the process of mind renewal.  

Romans 12:2
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what[ is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

That is why some Christian do make mistakes, if they've not allowed enough of the word to build them. But even if they should die. They are saved already.

But the salavation of the body is connected to the spiritual growth in the soul. Understanding your rights and privileges in Christ.  That is why a Christian can be healed or be sick or be poor or rich. It depends on the level of your souls renewal.

3 John 1:2
2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

2. Another question I raised (even if not directed at you specifically) --- when exactly was Cornelius and his household "saved" or "born again"?

They God saved at the hearing of Gods word through Peter.

3. Did the "borning again" of Cornelius and his household involve them making a "confession by mouth"?

definately they must have acted by faith upon whatever peter was teaching.

If she sent priests and other people, it is enough evidence that she is sorry. It may not be out of pride that she didn't want to go personally, some people have challenge with shame, her refusal to go personally may be out of shame, she can not raise her head again.you should forgive her and call her. Don't wait endlessly for the apology. Some find it hard to forgive themselves.

The 02 Arena in London where Micheal Jackson was to perform his much awaited last concert[b] "This Is It"[/b] Finally erupted with life in a[b] " NIGHT OF BLISS"[/b] with Pastor Chris on  Friday 20th of august 2010.,  I heard they had more crowd outside than inside, and God glorified himself with lots of miracles. Pastor Chris once said, whenever he sees a stadium he doesn't see them as a place for any other activity but a place to be filled for Jesus . So many Europeans gave their hearts to the lord.  I wasn't opportune to be there but if you attended it please share your experience.

Nuclearboy,
Now that you've mentioned the thief crucified with christ, according to you point of view on works, is the man saved?. Because he never worked any good works except bad bad works he did. What do you say?

fyneguy:
Lol Nuclearboy

Dont mind Joagbaje jare.

Íf only he knew you were the thief who was given Salvation as a gift, but was sent back to us to explain why Jesus saved you without any works to show for it, he would keep quiet forever.
Joagbaje, please do have some regard for this saved thief oops man o.

Your so called assignment is not clear to me, I said you should outline them. All I could see is Matt 7: what exactly do you want me to explain?

chukwudi44:
A man is saved only when he dies in a state of grace i.e(in a state of spiritual purity with jesus)
This implies that at the point of his death,he is in good terms with Jesus.It is the state in which you die that determines whether you are saved or not.

Well I will like to thank you for your courage. We can start from somewhere .

Mind prayer is unscriptural, there is no biblical ground for such idea.

Matthew 7:7-8
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Thinking prayer, is more or less a lazy man's excuse. For real prayer life.

Enigma.
Pls list out your questions let me answer them one time. But I need you to answer my last post me so that I can treat all together. I'm not setting you up for trashing. I'm very lenient. Na you dye quarrel

Engma,
Seeing that youre very evasive but i will still ask you this.If a man accepts christ on death bed. Where will he go if he dies that day. Heaven or hell?

I will address the scriptures you wrongly quoted,you seem to be dodging my question. Pl ls without long grammar . At what point does a man get saved? just answer me in one sentence.

Enigma, nuclearboy, chukwudi, altheia,My question still stands,
At what point does a man get saved. Pls just give a straight answer.

aletheia:
^^^
KJV: Revelation 12:3. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
I apologize for being rude. I could have made my point in a more polite fashion.

Ive always known the red dragon to be the antichrist. And the manchild to be tribultion saints .I will do a check on it .but we are dealing with 2 horns symbol as satanic. There is no place where Satan is represented with 2 horns in the bible or in prophecies. So that nullifies the use of the 2 hands as Satanic, Satan has nothing.

This is one of the secrets of the bible. It is a function of faith and the wisdom of God , to recognise such divine opportunity. Abraham received God and 2 angels in his house without knowing it was God.

Genesis 18:1-5
1 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw[ them], he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: 4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: 5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.

He thought he was dealing with mere strangers , that means it was in the character of Abraham to have hospitality. Supposing he had allow them pass by, he would have lost the opportunity to have a son. Because before the visitors left he gave him a prophecy in verse 10.

Genesis 18:10-11
10 And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard[ it] in the tent door, which[ was] behind him. 11 Now Abraham and Sarah[ were] old[ and] well stricken in age;[ and] it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.

That simple heart of hospitality brought about Isaac.
The same thing happened to Lot. When the angels came to destroy the city. But Lot had been trained by Abraham in the acts of hospitality. When he saw the angels desguised men, he show the "men " hospitality at the gate of the city. His heart if hispitality saved his life and family .

Genesis 19:1-3
1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing[ them] rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; 2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. 3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.