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Zikkyy: You always get it wrong. If you have been reading, you would know that the issue is not about being motivated by end result. The end result here is prosperity/wealth. Now consider Bill gate & James ibori path to achieving this end result and tell me if there is nothing wrong with ibori's approach. Even the armed robber is motivated by an end result. Your path towards achieving wealth tells who you truely are. For the man that will give only when he is hoping for financial returns, it tells us the character of the person. And we already told you greed is the motivation for such action and God cannot be deceived.

So what do you say to this verse?

2 Corinthians 9:6
But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

Don't you think If you aware alive in the bible days you will criticize even paul or Jesus? . I still think you should get another bible

@logic boy

Joagbaje:
I see that you are facing problems. All you have to do is trust in the lord.....sickness and poverty is not of God.

You can join my church and work there. Your will be fed but your first month salary should be tithed in full unto the lord for his mercies and then the usual 10%.

Just sering your thread . You're wrong , joagbaje will rather preach Jesus and salvation to you. Then give you cop money and help you plan your life.

Pastor Kun: @joagbaje
You ought to be ashamed of yourself. And you are supposed to be a 'senior' pastor. Anyway I don't blame you sha when even your oga Oyaks does not have basic bible interpretation skills. It's so sad that half baked charlatans like you are being allowed to mount the pulpit and spew out rubbish to people. One would thought that after your being on NL for a few years you would have learnt to interprete the bible properly and stop disgracing yourself.

Your case is pathetic . So I won't waste time on you. it's the ABC salvation I will like to start you on

Zikkyy: Am not missing anything. If you give because of profit, it means you will not engage in that same transaction if there was no profit attached.

Thats your carnal interpretation. Is it wrong to be motivated by end result. God was motivated by result . Jesus was motivated by result. Paul was. You really have to write a new bible dude

seeking@truth:
what did Satan steal?(he only told man the truth
Gen: 3 vs 4-5 Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die, For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evill.". And then God utterance in another vs corroborated it.

Gen:3 vs 22 Then the Lord God said,"Behold, the man has become like one of us, to know good and evil"...
Now my question, has Jesus, the second Adam changed man from knowing good and evil which God never wanted man to know and why should God send Jesus to come and reverse what he couldn't reverse or correct in Adam?(why didn't God strike the hammer while iron was hot?

I agree but he made man disobey God , and by mans yieldedness to satan he became mans master . He gained ownership and control of the earth .adam delivered it to satan through deception.

Luke 4:6
And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them:for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

The spiritual principle says a man becomes a Slave to whoever conquers him.

2pet 2:19
For a man is a slave to whatever controls him.


Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

That's how satan stole mans authority . Remember it was man God gave dominion over the earth to.

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MostHigh: Joagbaje


Joagbaje Paul was not a christian he was a fully practicing jew.

Act 18:18 ¶ And Paul [after this] tarried [there] yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having (shorn) [his] head in Cenchrea: for he had a (VOW). .

He only did it as guise to win the Jews by identifying with them. It's was a compromise actually.

1 Corinthians 9:20-22
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak:I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

Of course he was proud of his Jewish heritage . He was a scholar and a Pharisee . But he counted all his achievement in the Jewish tradition bulshit.

Philippians 3:5-8
Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
. . . But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord:for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

truthislight: "for God loves a cheerful giver" the bible says.

How can that ^^^ replace the message of the kingdom of God?

"But seek ye

first the kingdom

of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. " (Matthew 6:33).
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The whole message of the bible is how to Give mankind eternal life, what Adam lost in the kingdom of God that is to come:

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come.

Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. " (Matthew 6:9-10).

The other things are instruction on how christians should help one another and how they should use wisdom to earn a living.

Whatever you do, priority one is:


"But seek ye

first the kingdom

of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. " (Matthew 6:33).
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How then and why then should someone start preaching prosperity instead of the kingdom of God where the reward for everlasting life is promised?

Are we not supposed to store up our treasure in heaven again?

Na wao .

If we are to seek the kingdom of God FIRST, how come prosperity gospel has taken the first place?

Hmmm!

And what do u understand by seeking the kingdom

Ubenedictus: the use of word is not extreme, it is very moderate to say the least,
that is becos they weren't against each oda. They were teaching d same tin.

Does this sound like thiesame thing compare these scriptures again. The statement of James here .

Acts 15:29
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication:from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well..

Vs paul teaching

1 Timothy 4:4
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

1 Corinthians 8:7
Nevertheless, not all [believers] possess this knowledge. But some, through being all their lives until now accustomed to [thinking of] idols [as real and living], still consider the food [offered to an idol] as that sacrificed to an [actual] god; and their weak consciences become defiled and injured if they eat [it].

Hear his comment after the council meeting

this is false, he never said paul had a "deeper revelation".

. . . Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood. .


If Peter hadn't had it tough digesting Pauline epistles he wouldn't have made the statement above . Paul had greater revelation of truth than they all . His epistles were wildly circulated in many churches of his day. Many apostles before him learned from his teachings

this is a joke, at the very least d council was a central authority.

It wasn't authority over Paul . Whatever their titles were didn't matter to him. Look at the attitude of his language about them .

Galatians 2:6
But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me:God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

paul neva taught that a man is justified by faith ALONE

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

But James teaching was different

James 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

of a deeper revealation uh? The bible say there is no more new revelation.

He didn't learn it from man but from Jesus through the Holy Spirit .

John 16:12-13
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:and he will shew you things to come.

Galatians 1:11-12
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

GOD HAS Skopen his word Jesus christ. The faith my bible says was "once and for all times delivered to the saints" anybody claiming another revealation is looking for trouble.

Ministry is work of Holy Spirit. We never heard Jesus sang in tongues , until 1 Corinthians talked about it. Divers manifestations we heard in the epistles were not in Jesus ministry . The holygjost is the chairperson in th church

Stop reading meaning into Jesus simple teaching . It's a universal law. I quoted three scriptures as witnesses to the truth , you only dwell on one why?

@largerwhenindoubt

You have been long on Nairaland and you know it's against the rule to write out full name or ID of a poster . I request you re edit your post and address me by my Nairaland ID. Thanks

Zikkyy: We know God is not against prosperity. I don't understand what you meant by prosperity is not the same as worldliness, but i can tell you that teaching people to give for profit/worldly gains (the casino approach to giving) is very much the same as 'worldliness' this (prosperity) teaching is in direct contradiction to the teachings of Christ and the apostles. Christ and the apostles did not teach that we should give for worldly gains.

Giving is only an aspect of prosperity and Jesus taught it.

Luke 6:38
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Paul taught it too.

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked:for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Philippians 4:17
But though I appreciate your gifts, what makes me happiest is the well- earned reward you will have because of your kindness.

So If you call biblical principle casino. Then you may have to write another bible

Every giving has a reward . If you must be a receiver , you start the giving .

striktlymi: Sorry but I just got to say that you are living in denial of what is true.

Thank you!

Denial of wha truth. Explain

I only asked the question based on certain principle. I can discuss God with any person. But the topic will differ. I shouldn't discuss deep spiritual matters for example with someone who is not a christian.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:for they are foolishness unto him:neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

This is my reason not because I want to labell someone by his faith or religion but because he may not understand it. He may even get offended ,so for such I will primarily discus salvation.

striktlymi: ^^^
Well Mr. Joagbaje,

The name is joagbaje pls

We believe what we want to believe. This does not change anything. The fact speak for itself. To suggest that the Apostles went about forming "their own" churches is false.

The idea of forming church or forming denomination is from you. I've not heard a pastor say he want to form church or denomination. You chose that language to give a representation. But it's distorting truth. I don't know your reason for such extreme use of word.

What was discussed at the council of Jerusalem was binding on all believers at the time and not on some fragments of the Church

They didn't add anything to Paul ministry.


Galatians 2:6
But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me:God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

The issue about circmsizing the Gentiles was resolved at that council. I suggest you go through your bible again.

Paul added nothing to them and they added nothing to paul.

The ISSUES Paul had was not with any member of the Apostle but other Jewish converts to Christianity who are bent on following the Law as laid down by Moses. Apostles like Peter who also had access to the letters of Paul understood very well what Paul taught and did not disgree with him

He admitted the teachings of Paul were too hard. By that he knew paul had deeper revelation. That's my point.

The various Churches were one and the same and adheard to the teachings as taught by the Apostles.

They were not under one central authority if that's your point. . Paul didn't stop his members from reading the materials of others but he must let them know who theiy are responsible to and who their spiritual father is.

1 Corinthians 4:15-16
For although you may have ten thousand others to teach you about Christ, remember that you have only me as your father. For I was the one who brought you to Christ when I preached the Gospel to you. So I beg you to follow my example and do as I do.

Peter can go to any of the churches and teach without any form of contradiction. But can Pastor Chris go to a deeper life church and teach that Mastur.bation is not sinful? Or can Pastor Okotie go to a Mountain of fire and teach that tatoos are okay to have?

Did paul go to James church to teach that you can eat meat offered to idols? Did James come to paul church to teach that a man can't be justified by faith alone?

We agree where' we agree , we leave the rest to God. If pastor chris won't tech in deeper life , other ministers go to his conferences to learn. Deeper life as well has their cliques of friends .all should focus on their callings

Take for example DEEPER LIFE church you mentioned. How did it start . Pastor kumuyi got converted in apostolic faith or so. But he began to have deeper revelation into what he was teaching beyond the level of his present church and people began to come to him for knowledge and since there was no opportunity to fulfill this in his then church , he was led to take the teaching out. And gradually deeper life was Bo, question. Was he looking for job? Or ,money? Was he trying to build his own empire ? God simply gave him a message and a burden and he must fulfil it. That's ll. it sent matter the name you call it. But it's not the idea of "I WANT TO START A DENOMINATION. or FORM MY OWN CHURCH . That sounds very carnal . Ministry is of the holygjost .

ezme: Matthew 6.33: But seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness;and all these things shall be added unto you

The preceding verses to this were emphasizing on God's ability to cater for us.

@Joagbaje/oiseworld
These are the words of Christ himself according to Matthew, stating in what order we should approach Christianity. I don't know if your prosperity teachers know better than Christ himself.

I agree with you. Seeking Gods kingdom Is first . And nobody says other wise. God is not against prosperity . He s the blesser. Prosperity is not the same as worldliness.

striktlymi: ^^^
Good morning Mr. Agbaje,

I will appreciate to be addressed by my I.D. Joagbaje

I would have loved to tell myself that the issue is not denominational but this would be very misleading on my part.

The use of the word denomination is already misleading. But if you want to use it . Go back to the history of denominations . Catholic, Anglican ,baptist etc. they emerge as a result of revelation.

The early Church had various ministries within one sheepfold but today's church have various denominations with each denomination having their separate ministries within.

Churches under peter responded and submit to peter and james likewise . churches under paul are submitted to paul , same thing goes for john and others whos detail we may not have . if you call that one sheepfold then , same thing applies today ,The church still has various ministries within one sheepfold .

Mr. Agbaje, what we have today is not the same as what the Apostles had. When there was a dispute in doctrine the Apostles were quick to come together as members of the same Church to resolve this dispute. The first council of Jerusalem is a very good example. I believe you are farmiliar with it but for the sake of others the relevant quote is Acts 15:1-41.

They didn't resolve anything. The Jerusalem churches hadn't come to full comprehension of grace as much as paul does. He had in dept knowledge which they perceive as hard. They tried to put their doctrine on him and he didn't buy it. Not eating unclean meat etc. his attitude after the conference shows they didn't add anything to his doctrine.

Acts 15:29
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication:from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well..

But hear. Paul comments and teaching

1 Timothy 4:4
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

1 Corinthians 8:7
Nevertheless, not all [believers] possess this knowledge. But some, through being all their lives until now accustomed to [thinking of] idols [as real and living], still consider the food [offered to an idol] as that sacrificed to an [actual] god; and their weak consciences become defiled and injured if they eat [it].


Hear his comment after the council meeting

Galatians 2:6
As for those who were considered important in the church, their reputation doesn't concern me. God isn't impressed with mere appearances, and neither am I. And of course these leaders were able to add nothing to the message I had been preaching.

That passage of sacred scriptures showed clearly that thet Apostles acted in one accord and every teaching made was closely monitored. Peter was aware of the teachings of Paul and vise versa. No one had the right to go off and teach whatever he liked all in the name of Christ.

The only accord was those who accepted the authority and revelation of Paul teaching. Remember how he rebuked Peter for his hypocrisy when Peter came to visit. He won't tolerate nonsense in his congregation. He won't compromise his revelation. Many of the elders came under the teaching of paul.

Sadly, the case today is quite disturbing. You see "men of God" teaching whatever they want

I don't see it that way. They are not teaching. What they want , they teach what they know according to the burden God lay in their hearts. And it's dangerous to criticize a man when you don't know his calling .

whether right or wrong)

Every minister has the responsibility to develop himself in knowledge through study. If he fails to do that. It's between him and God. That's a different matter.

( without restraint. In today's church, no GO has the right to influence what another GO is teaching. This was not so in the early church.
Thank you!

No G.O can dictate what the other should teach, was anyone able to influence the doctrine of Paul? Did paul tell them how wrong they were in the council? That's the work of the Holy Spirit . everyone should focus on their calling. You can only dictate what people under you should teach.

The issue of covering of hair in the Corinthian church was a marital issue . It has no spiritual relevance. Wearing cap or scarf now is only a master of personal choice.

oiseworld: This is exactly where am heading to. If you prosper by hearing and practicing what you hear in prosperity messages, then you have heard the truth. The truth is a complete package that includes both prosperity and righteousness,love,giving,kindness,fear of the Lord, etc. They cannot and should not be separated from the other. THEY ARE ALL ONE.
That's why coming in thru prosperity,good health, heaven, blessings are still the most effective ways of preaching the gospel.

Don't be more catholic than the pope. If people perish everyday you can't be more concern than the one who came to die for these people.

God bless you jare. Gods prosperity is with righteousness but religious people give impression as though God righteousness is against prosperity.

Proverbs 8:18
Riches and honour are with me;yea, durable riches and righteousness.

striktlymi: ^^^
No Apostle formed his own denomination. They had different gifts which was used within the Church.

It's not an issues of denomination. I will prefer you don't use that word. It's an issue of ministry . And ministry is service.

There is no evidence in sacred scriptures that suggests that the spirit of God calls people to start-up their own denomination[/quoute]

James and Peter had desciplesm under them . They were minis trying to the Jews . Paul had desciples under him. Apostle john had desciples under him. If a man is called of God with a message ,he need to have a structure by which people are reached taught or descipled. It's a ministry not "denomination"

[quote]On the contrary, evidence abound which shows clearly that the spirit wants every Christian to be united and every gift given be used within the sheep-fold of Christ.
Thank you!

Its still thesame today. But Are you aware there were doctrinal disagreement in the early church? . Also they had their different levels of revelations. We all have agreement at the cross . Every other thing is secondary. Until we come to the unity of the faith,

Ephesians 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Are you a Muslim ?

striktlymi: Good morning Mr. Agbaje,

If you believe the above explains it then why wasn't it so in the time of the apostles? I know for sure that the spirit was very active in their time as he is active in ours and I know that in the time of the apostles there was diversity of callings, grace and revelation but the body of Christ was not divided. Everyone used their various gifts within the fold rather than go of to form their own denomination.

I mentioned three things . Callings, Grace or gifts and thirdly is Revelation. Sometimes all three may work in a particular ministry sometimes one or two. Tats what differentiate ministers from one another .

The early church had their differences. Paul had special calling a special message. You will notice some "contradictions" between Peter ,paul and James. They operated at different levels of truth. Some were very religious . But they all agree at the cross . Paul concluded .every one should follow their conviction without judging the other.

Romans 14:4-6
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up:for God is able to make him stand.
One man esteemeth one day above another:another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.


The only problem is that we tend to criticize one another instead of harmonizing and synchronizing to balance the deficit.

I really do not believe God calls people to form their own denominations for there is no place in sacred scriptures (from Genesis to Revelation) were the Holy spirit inspired anyone to form his or her own denomination.!

Ministry is not about forming denominaton. There is different grace upon each person. Followers sometimes go to the extreme to condemn other ministries .it started in the bible days

[color=#99000[b]]1 Corinthians 1:12-13[/b]
What I mean is this, that each one of you [either] says, I belong to Paul, or I belong to Apollos, or I belong to Cephas (Peter), or I belong to Christ.
Is Christ (the Messiah) divided into parts? Was Paul crucified on behalf of you? Or were you baptized into the name of Paul?[/color]

We have seen the church gravitate from revelation to revelation. The Lutheran came with justification by faith, baptist came with water baptism , and Pentecostals came with tongues ,healings etc. and falling under the power . Actually falling under the power started with baptist ! Suprise! . Deeper life started bible study , with holiness emphasis . That's what the church was lacking then, other ministers started teaching on prosperity ,that's what the church lacked then. Then came the deliverance move , the prophetic move etc. God was building his church by all these diversity of movement . All these are part of a whole . Ministers should work together because know man knows it all. Some are good teachers but they can't cast devils out or heal the sick. Vice versal.

As much as Paul was gifted in many things .he wasn't into water baptism . But he didn't criticize those who do. Even though water baptism was important , it wasn't his major assignment .but you can't tell that to the baptists

1 Corinthians 1:17
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

MostHigh: If he is bringing them into his flock does the flock now turn completely gentile or jew or maybe a mixture of both pls just another simple question.

Which would you rather be jew or gentile or a mixture of both (christian possibly)

In christ there's no Jew nor gentile

Also how do you explain the reference to JEWS in the verse below

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Peace Love And joy!!!

The reference to Jew in that passage has to do with believers or Christians. You know we have natural Jews after the flesh and we also have spiritual Jews (the church)

Romans 2:28-29
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

So with reference to the passage , it's talking about spiritual Jews . (The church) or believers . The MESSAGE translation renders it more perfectly.

Revelation 3:9
"And watch as I take those who call themselves true believers but are nothing of the kind, pretenders whose true membership is in the club of Satan-- watch as I strip off their pretensions and they're forced to acknowledge it's you that I've loved.

Happy new year grodprophet

Diversity of callings, diversity of grace, diversity of revelation ,that's the reason

seeking@truth:
why did it take God that long to recreate Adam in Christ and has it change anything? And what makes you think that Jesus who came through a woman who Adam sin has infested is better than Adam made from dust by God's own hand and breath?

Adam represented human race. So in Adam man fell and Satan stole the adamic authority which God gave man.

Luke 4:5-7
And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them:for[b] that is delivered unto me[/b]; .

Remember it was Adam or man God gave the earth to ,but now satan claim ownership. There is justice in the realm of the spirit . There are spiritual laws. It was man who lost the authority . It is also man who can get it back. So God set the plan for man to gain his dominion back. He created another man . Jesus came as a 100% man . That is why he was called second Adam .

1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

It's a choice. What is wrong with using iPad as bible.? What would you want them to use?

MostHigh: I noticed you have quoted well but you have not qouted from the words of yashua himself strange.... but typical.
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John 10:15 is from the mouth of yeshiva

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.


The other sheep represent Gentiles

Jesus sang , I won't be surprised if he did some moves too.

Matthew 26:29-30
"I'll not be drinking wine from this cup again until that new day when I'll drink with you in the kingdom of my Father."
They sang a hymn and went directly to Mount Olives.

This tree was not meant for man. Rather it was of the devil who was the originator of this spirit\mindset, thus after the fall God said:
"Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us(The Devil) in knowing good and evil(Genesis 3:22)".
I know people mis-interprete this to mean that we have become like god..., That comment was really referring to the devil.

The tree was meant for man. Because it contained knowledge that was important for man to fulfil his purpose. Until the the tree was eaten they would not have been able to know their sexuality. The fruit was meant for them to eat because man was created to judge the fallen angels.

1 Cor. 6:3
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

for man to judge ,he needed to have understanding of good and evil which is a sign of maturity . The tree contains that knowledge. We also have to understand that Adam was not yet perfect or mature.His perfection is connected to those two trees. namely,the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
hear what satan said

Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened,and ye shall be as (God) , knowing good and evil.

So, to know good and evil is a good thing, Just like God and that was the content of the tree.

Hebrews 5:14
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

So with the understanding that descernment of good and evil was a sign of maturity means God put the two trees there for Adam to eat;The tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. But it was not yet time for him to eat.He was not yet fully prepared for this before Satan made him eat it in dissobedience.

Compare what Satan told them here. Satan does not say opposite of truth but can bend truth

Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened,and ye shall be as (God) , knowing good and evil.

Now compare it with what God said here:

Genesis 3:22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as[b] one of us,[/b] to know[b] good and evil[/b]: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Adam ate the fruit prematurely and at the instruction of Satan and by that he sinned. He couldnt coplete the process now because there is sin in him God had to stop him from eating of the tree of life because if he should eat it , he will remain like that forever, since his nature is already corrupt, there will never be redemption for man. So to stop this, God had to send him out of the garden so that he wont touch the other tree.

Genesis 3:22-24
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: [23] Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden,, and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubim, and a flaming sword , to keep the way of the tree of life.

If God had told them to replesh the earth how come they were not aware they were naked .We dont know how many days or months they were in the garden. They could not think of producing children because they were still under training. It was only when they ate the fruit, they knew what unclothedness is.
Why did God blind there eyes to their sexuality?
why were they confined in a garden ?
when will they replenish the earth?
how would they judge without knowledge?
Is it wrong for them to be like God?

The knowledge was in that fruit, they terminated the initial plan. But Jesus has brought man into that place. We dont have to eat the tree of life now christ has brought the life.

John 10:10
, I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

1 John 5:11-12
And this is the record, that God hath given to us[b] eternal life[/b], and this life is in his Son. [12] He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Every body will live forever both good and bad, but in different places. Eternal life is a knowledge based life, not living forever, but a quality of life. by knowledge.

John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

okeyxyz: I am saying that man adopted a principle\mindset that started to discriminate amongst things that were perfectly natural and good and created for our use and consumption.

There's no reference to this in the bible . Man didn't do any discrimination.

Man started to place a law of "clean and unclean"(thus: knowledge of good and evil) upon god's creation. This is the law of do's & don'ts

How did man do this can you give scriptural reference.

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Everything that god created is good and cannot be sin. It is the law that classifies some things as sin and others as good, it is an instrument of sin and the devil, Therefore by adopting this "value-system" man aquired a conscience of sin\guilt:

The issue of clean and unclean animals under the law has nothing to do with the animal themselves . It represents Jews and Gentiles . The clean animals represents the Jews while the unclean represents the Gentiles . It was done to show the distinction of Israel from other nations . But when grace came . The Jews and the gentile became one in christ. That's why God declare that Peter could now eat unclean animals because they represent the Gentiles.

Acts 10:14-15
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings(Genesis 3:7)
Remember that prior to this, they were still naked but not ashamed

That was the dispensation of innocence. That doesn't mean they were meant to be like that forever. It was only supposed to be a period of time. Remember they were not even aware of their unclothedness yet. How will they procreate without mating?


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meaning that they used\consumed\indulged freely without feeling guilty, with the acknowledgment that all was good for use.

There was no sexual intercourse between them before the fall. They were still undergoing a process of growth.

Yes, the tree of knowledge of good & evil was in the garden just like the devil himself roams amongst the angels of god.

The devil could only roam among angels because of the adamic authority he obtained through the fall if man. Adamic authority over the earth is higher than angelic authority.

Atheist:-D:
Yoi failed to answer the question. Why didnt God recreate Adam?

He did the recreation in Christ