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Ihedinobi: I don't think that there is a real need for me to define tempting the Lord God beyond what I did earlier. No Christian can tempt God because the Christian's life is founded on this:

Thats not even an issue. It's just an issue of semantic , that's why I put the question to you. The use of the word "temp" is not the issue here. You are simply capitalizing on minor . So it's not in the sense of your use of the word. It's like saying "why provoke the lord ?.

Every indication proved they were Christians . Let's stop merry go round. Don't fit God into your personal theology. Greed open them up to the. Devil . Greed opened judas to the devil. Certain sins Sin can open a christian to the devil.

The early church will not be fellowshiping with sinners you get? Look at the scripture again.

Acts 5:1-2
1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles 'feet.

Question: why will God be angry that a sinner sold his own land and brought only a part? Does it make spiritual sense? Why wiould Peter be blaming an umbeliever for yielding to the devil? Knowing that an umbeliever is an original child of the devil? Does it make any spiritual sense? That apart.
Gods word declare there should be no fellowship with umbelievers.

2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?


So my brother . They were Christians .

Ihedinobi: I don't think that there is a real need for me to define tempting the Lord God beyond what I did earlier. No Christian can tempt God because the Christian's life is founded on this:

Thats not even an issue. It's just an issue of semantic , that's why I put the question to you. The use of the word "temp" is not the issue here. You are simply capitalizing on minor . So it's not in the sense of your use of the word. It's like saying "why provoke the lord ?.

Every indication proved they were Christians . Let's stop merry go round. Don't fit God into your personal theology. Greed open them up to the. Devil . Greed opened judas to the devil. Certain sins Sin can open a christian to the devil.

The early church will not be fellowshiping with sinners you get?

Ihedinobi,

I saw just saw the post I missed

t Ananias and Sapphira were not Christians. How dare I say so?
, a Christian CANNOT tempt the Holy Spirit. It is one who questions the capabilities of the Holy Spirit and is in doubt as to His Power that would dare what Ananias and Sapphira dared.

Define tempting God clearly, because. From what you said , we all must have tempted God in the areas we lacked faith, does it mean we weren't Christians?

No, Ananias and Sapphira were not Christians, neither were Jesus's disciples until the Pentecost, nor the disciples Paul met in Ephesus in Acts 19.

Ananias and his wife were Christians, the bible saadi they believed, and all of them were with one accord. What make you claim they weren't Christians? What's your idea of Christianity. They believed in Jesus . Peter recognized their membership of the church. Anyone who in the face of persecution can identilfy with Jesus openly cannot be an umbeliever. They were believers. But ygreed took hold of them . Peter knows them personally. He recognized the wife even though she came late. Peter won't be collecting money from sinners. Besides its a security risk to have umbelievers running around in a church going through persecution, what makes you think they weren't saved? We shouldn't twist truth for sake of winning argument

Ihedinobi: Sorry, I was a bit distracted while I was typing my last post so I didn't see your new post till now. But my last post has answered it.

As to the Christian man sleeping with a demon-possessed lady, believe me, I really couldn't care less. I am governed by the Word of God not reports of people's experiences. I only accept those reports when they agree with the Scriptures and I assure you that that case is in flagrant disagreement with the Bible. Nothing in the Scriptures indicate at all that a child of God can under any condition come under the power of the enemy even in a measure. It is impossible.

A Christian, I must again say, must become something other than himself (and this is an impossibility) for any power of the enemy to hold any kind of sway, however small, over him.

You are evading my direct questions and comment on those scriptures . What about these

2 Corinthians 2:11
Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:


Does it mean what it says? . Whom Is he devouring? . Unbelievers ? Do you know how many Christians have died with their ministry and purpose unfulfilled?

Secretpart,

As for tb joshua,he may use the name of Jesus Christ,but he is not speaking it in faith but deceitfully.Someone once said can a demon cast out a demon,why not.The devil put the demon there so he can cast them out[size=12pt][/size] just to deceive christians.And do you think the demons are really leaving, they are just keeping quiet.

Can you justify your statement above in the light of the scrotipture below.

Matthew 12:26
And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Ihedinobi: Those scriptures do not agree with that claim.

And my point is that it is contrary to the Christian's nature to allow it. A Christian has to be something other than himself to allow it and that's an absurd thing to think, as absurd as it is to think that an apple can be got off a palm tree.

Let me ask you few question? Are you saying if a christian man have sex with a Demonised lady such demon will not gain access to him?

Secondly what do you have to say about the satanic influence on Ananias and his wife? We're they not born again and filled with the holy ghost?

[Acts 5:3
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

A christian can give place to the devil. Many have given place to the devil without knowing by living unguarded lives.

Ephesians 4:26-27
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil.

Mr_Anony: My friend, this is not a "show me your power" competition. I am not saying that you don't cast out demons. All I am saying is that the people you are casting demons out of are not Christians. They may claim to be Christians but they are definitely not.s

What is your definition of christian ? Who says they are not Christians. What of Ananias and sapphira, what spirit took hold of them the the death? What of pastors who minister healeaing to others and another minister had to rebuke spirit of infirmity from them? What Is your understanding of spirit of infirmity? Spirit which are responsible for sicknesses. What is the gift of healing in church for? Is it for healing unbelievers ? Most sickness are demonic . Cast out the spirit of infirmity and minister healing.

An assignment : if you find anyone ( born again) who is so bitter and find it hard to let go or forgive certain people who had caused hurt. There's a demon involved . If you have the holy ghost lay hands or command such demons out , you will be amazed what you will see.

Anyone who gets angry to the point of losing it, by doing regrettable things. And later full of regret after each explosion. There's a demon of anger. There's so many physical signs of demonic presence . If you try to minister to such people you will know they are there.

What about afflictions. If a christian wakes up and see marks of cane (whipping) in the body, it's demonic oppression. Many sicknesses are demonic . If you don't cast the demon out they can't be healed.

What of obsession, certain addictions are demonic. Drugs , alcohol, I'm talking about a situation where the person wants to stop it but he can't . It's a demon.

I once minister to a lady nurse who gets drunk often. She said the drinking problem had caused her about four marriages . She had tried to stop , if she stops her body and fist will start to fold . It will take several people to stretch her open. I looked into her eyes and commanded the demon out . She felll. And that was it. From that moment ,the smell of alcohols makes her feel like vomiting. She was a christian has the holy ghost. It's an affliction . I would rather prefer we investigate before we criticize . A christian can be oppressed , obsessed by demon. If he opens the door to it.

Mr Anony and ihedinobi,
I think you guys should rather do personal researches on this rather than living by assumption. I do cast out devils very often. And mostly from Christians . Question , Do you? I'm not criticizing you. I just want you to know I'm not talking by assumption. If you have ever cast out devil ,your theology will change.

Pastor Kun: Uncle joe how have you been? Long time.

Good day sir

Mr_Anony: This is simply unscriptural: are you sayng that sin, fear, unforgiveness, bitterness e.t.c can be found in a Spirit-filled Christian?

Yes, precisely, a christian can walk in bitterness and unforgiveness, envy ,rebellion, and such spiritual sins do attract devils.

Are you saying that when God dwells in me He restricts Himself to my spirit while leaving my body for demons to play in?
When God takes over, He takes over everything.

not exactly , God dwells in our recreated spirit which is the "born again" part . Our soul is not yet born again ,neither our body . Demons can influence a christian from outside ,if he Give room to it. And they can invade his life and body if he give room to it. Wrong thoughts alone if unchecked can open doors for demons to enter a christian and cause him torment ,sickness even death.

My friend, one of the advantages of being born-again is that we have complete authority over demons. A demon influencing someone who is led by the Holy Ghost is called blasphemy. At best, a demon will try but it will always fail because of Christ in you. To say that a demon is successfully opressing a christian is to say that a demon is oppressing God. That is blasphemy.
The scriptures you outed are not referring to what you are saying.

You simply are not yet aware of the enemy you have.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Ask yourself who was Peter writing to? Christians or unbelievers

Was Ananias and sapphire not born again? Yet Satan destroyed them

Acts 5:3
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Goshen360: Okay. Agreed that a Christian cannot be possessed of demons but demonized. How do you mean by being demonized? And what is the difference btw being demonized and being possessed by demon(s)? You can clarify for purpose of others who are following this thread.

petres_007: Sir,
First you say a Christian cannot be possessed of demons. Then you say he can be demonized. Thats an outright contradiction to me. Kindly clarify.

Man is a spirit ,having a soull and living in a Body. Demonic possession Takes place in a mans spirit. has to do with Demon been in a mans spirit. The Demon has taken possession of the man . This is not possible for a demon to posses a christian as his own because God dwells in his Spiirt. It's only an unbeliever or non christian that can be possessed by a Demon.

But to be Demonised is to be influenced by a demon. The Demon may even be inside the body of such person. But not in his spirit.

Secondly, you say a Christian can "open the door to the enemy". If you ask me, I'd say there isn't a single biblical example of this. I acknowledge however, that you could know of one or two I don't. Please state them here.

There are things and deeds which may open such to Demonic invasion. Such as Sin, unforgiveness ,bitterness, Fear, etc.

2 Corinthians 2:10-11
To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; 11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

John 5:14
Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Certain things which attracts demons are "open doors" To demonic invasion. That's what been Demonised means . It refers to been , influenced , oppressed ,obsessed by demons.

So there are 3 categories of demonic activities , POSESSION, OPRESSION ,OBSESSION of demons . A christian can't be possessed because God posess his spirit already.

A christian cannot be possessed of demons, but he can be demonized , he opens the door to the enemy.

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How? thats not true. please explain

Lord Babs: As a diehard atheist, the existence of God has been consistently refuted as null and void. Ex nihilo nihil fit(from nothing comes nothing) is a philosophical creed first credited to the famous Greek philosopher, Parmenides, who argued that there is never a time when a world didn't exist, since it couldn't have been created out of nothing in the first place. The Greeks were largely of the belief that things cannot disappear into nothing, just as they can't be created from nothing. In other words, to say from nothing comes nothing is to say that for something to exist, it must emerge from something. It is noteworthy that this parlance(ex nihilo nihil fit) does not only refute the existence of a supreme deity, or the possibility of something emerging from nothing, but also leads to an infinite question of what creates what?! Now, most theists, based on the principle of universal causation, do subconsciously argue that things don't just exist without a cause. And as such, for the world or anything to exist, there must be a force behind it, which is called God, who is acclaimed to be revelling in heaven, in his sacred haven, amid hordes of angelic 'body-guards', while pleasurably abandoning us here on earth to suffer.
The question:
1. Can we extrapolate this expression(ex nihilo nihil fit) to validly affirm that for God to exist, he couldn't have emerged from nothing, which ultimately nullifies the existence of a God?
2. How far can we refute the validity of this expression,i.e.can we prove that somethings can actually come out of nothing, which may then validate the existence of God?
I await intelligent argument void of fallacies and biblical and mythical innuendoes.

study the account of creation in the Bible

What makes him false, Frosbell?

Deep sight I get your point. I'm only aginst the unecessary extreme people go because of an error to now destroy the entire work and ministry of an individual to call him fake. I feel I should throw light on the area they may be less informed. He is still a prophet and prophet can sometimes miss certain things.

jackbaur: Christians In
Kaduna Storm
Mosque, Eat
Solidarity
Ramadan
"Breakfast" With
Muslims
Posted: July 22, 2012 - 16:20
By SaharaReporters, New
York
A source in Ungwar Sarkin
Musulmi, which houses the
famous Sultan Bello Mosque,
has disclosed that about 50
Christian young men lastR
night stormed the mosque
and in furtherance of the
Muslim Ramadan, broke the
Ramadan fast with Muslim
youths as part of ongoing
efforts to strengthen unity,
peace and coexistence
between both faiths in the
troubled State.
The source said that there
was consternation when the
Christians arrived premises
of the Mosque and
proceeded to meet their
hosts,and after exchanging
pleasantries participated in
ending the Ramadan fasting
for the day as Muslims in
the Mosque watched.
The leader of the Christians,
Obadiah Dijji, according to
the source said that they
decided to visit the historic
Mosque and break fast with
their Muslim friends due to
many reasons.
He said, “Christianity is not a
violent religion and does not
teach hate and restiveness,
and it is in that regard that
we are here. Again, this is
historic this is Sultan Bello
where Sir Ahmadu Bello
prayed and he was a good
man who preached peace.
This is where late Sheik
Abubakar Gumi preached until
his death.
We are here for peace and
may God give Nigeria peace.”
It would be recalled that on
June 17, a series of crises
erupted in the state when
suicide bombers attacked
Churches in Zaria and
Kaduna town. The Boko
Haram sect claimed
responsibility for the
bombings. The attack led to
irate Christian youths
attacking Muslims, and after
two days, the Muslims also
retaliated in areas where
they are dominant.
Dijji also said that the Muslim
youths have paid a similar
solidarity visit to Christians
at the Christian Association
of Nigeria secretariat

Doesn't make bible sense. Will Christians go to shrines for the sake of peace with idolaters. That's Babylon compromise.

2 Corinthians 6:14-18
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

EDITING OR NO EDITING , HE IS A PROPHET

Much have bee said about the recent shooting in US predicted by TB Joshua. I don't think anything was wrong in the editing of the video. Let me explan why. The criticism again the man of God is due to our limited understanding of prophecies and the office of a prophet .pls hear me out. Prophecies comes to a man different ways. In voice ,pictures ,short videos. And these prophecies may not be detailed all the time. A prophet may not be 100% accurate all the time. We prophesy in part

1 Corinthians 13:9
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

A couple may stand before a prophet and in the spirit God only say the word "BABY" the prophet if not careful may just conclude they need a child. But it may be that God was trying to sayi is that they just lost a baby and he wants the prophet to comfort them. Because some times the massages one in part and the prophets have to fill the Gap.

Im not a prophet though I desire the gift of prophecy, I'm still learning. But I had a recent experience few months ago. I was doing intercession with some 10-12 people and i suddenly saw a short 2 seconds video flash of people running on the street. In the flesh what came to my mind was an accident but because of my learning i have come to understand not to rush into conclusion because the comotion could still be riot. So i told the people exactly what i saw and also added that iit could be accident or riot. So we held hand and prayed for Gods intervetion .in whatever the matter was. After the prayers ,i recieved a bbm message that christians were being attacked in the north. It confirmed what i saw. We later heard that soldiers to charge. Soldiers came in to stop it. My point hear is. TB Joshua a man with a gun wearing body armor shooting at people he may not see who the people are either civilian or military. But there had been Such shootings in the time past which took place in the barracks or millitary base and that could have formed his conclusion. Especially the fact that the man wore body armour.

The second issue has to do with the editing. I think it's just a simple common sense. It's the man who gave a prophecy that knows it when it comes to pass . But we can't overrule the fact that he made a mistake in the prophecy in the filling the gaps by adding military base or barracks and that's the part he took out in the editing.

There can be some little mistakes in prophecy . We are all still learning . Prophet Samuel almost made a mistake by anointing a wrong person, God had to rebuke him. The bible says that prophecies can be judged.

1 Corinthians 14:29
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.


So whatever the issue about the details of the shooting prophecy doesn't make tb Joshua less a prophet . He is still a prophet. He had predicted thousands of things which came to pass accurately. We should rather pray for him for grace to increase more in his life

He predicted a strange object on planet Mars , which shook the science world .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfvz5C36Os4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

He predicted the death of Diana accurately
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z94i_mDTJFE

He predicated a plane crash landing on water and said no life would be loss .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-dYGft_xVY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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I will appreciate if this thread is put on front page for all to see and contribute thanks

Much have bee said about the recent shooting in US predicted by TB Joshua. I don't think anything was wrong in the editing of the video. Let me explan why. The criticism against the man of God is due to our limited understanding of prophecies and the office of a prophet .pls hear me out. Prophecies comes to a man different ways. In voice ,pictures ,short videos. And these prophecies may not be detailed all the time. A prophet may not be 100% accurate all the time. We prophesy in part

1 Corinthians 13:9
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

A couple may stand before a prophet and in the spirit God only say the word "BABY" the prophet if not careful may just conclude they need a child. But it may be that God was trying to say that they just lost a baby and he wants the prophet to comfort them. Because some times the massages one in part and the prophets have to fill the Gap.

Im not a prophet though I desire the gift of prophecy, I'm still learning. But I had a recent experience few months ago. I was doing intercession with some 10-12 people and i suddenly saw a short 2 seconds video flash of people running on the street. In the flesh what came to my mind was an accident but because of my learning i have come to understand not to rush into conclusion because the comotion could still be riot. So i told the people exactly what i saw and also added that it could be accident or riot. So we held hand and prayed for Gods intervention in whatever the matter was. After the prayers ,i recieved a bbm message that christians were being attacked in the north. It confirmed what i saw. We later heard that soldiers were discharged to stop it. I believe it would have escalated if we hadn't interceded. My point here is. TB Joshua saw a man with a gun wearing body armor shooting at people he may not see who the people are either civilian or military. But there had been Such shootings in the time past which took place in the barracks or millitary base and that could have formed his conclusion. Especially the fact that the man wore body armour.

The second issue has to do with the editing. I think it's just a simple common sense. It's the man who gave a prophecy that knows it when it comes to pass . But we can't overrule the fact that a mistake could have been nade in the prophecy by filling the gaps by adding military base or barracks and that's the part he took out in the editing.

There can be some little mistakes in prophecy . We are all still learning . Prophet Samuel almost made a mistake by anointing a wrong person, God had to rebuke him. The bible says that prophecies can be judged.

1 Corinthians 14:29
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.


So whatever the issue about the details of the shooting prophecy doesn't make tb Joshua less a prophet . He is still a prophet. He had predicted thousands of things which came to pass accurately. We should rather pray for him for grace to increase more in his life

He predicted a strange object on planet Mars , which shook the science world .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfvz5C36Os4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

He predicted the death of Diana accurately
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z94i_mDTJFE

He predicated a plane crash landing on water and said no life would be loss .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-dYGft_xVY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

MacDaddy01: I want to know. I just read the review of a horror film that was about exorcism and people were arguing that it is real.

https://racksandrazors.com/Pics/exorcist2.jpg

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@ op just watch Emmanuel live Tv broadcast this Sunday, all your questions will be answer

are you a christian or pagan? you are simply ignorant of prophetic ministry. did jesus mention dates? prophets only give the details they are allowed of the holy spirit.

my pin is below

MacDaddy01: A grown person believing in magical prophesies, is that mature?


TB Joshua is using death to scare you sheep. His predictions are always vague and open to interpretation so that he pr his church can claim that it came to pass whenever something happens.

He was specific enough. he didnt say the man will be shot dead, he didnt say the man will shoot himself, he said the shooter will be arrested. what can be clearer than that?

God will forgive him, just as he will forgive anyone who repents. The only problem here is that satan will never repent nor ask for forgiveness for 2 reasons. He doesnt have ability to repent. he was not created in the image of God like man. Man has ability to repent, but angelic beings have no such ability. secondly satan has his personal pride. he is still looking for opportunity to overthrow God. amd he believes its still possible. he will still launch out 2 major battles against God before his final damnantion. according to the book of revelation. the final war is Gog and Maggog

,

Rev 20:8
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

abhosts: At least the lawyer got what he wanted -- 15 minutes of Fame.

He also got 20,000 naira !

so what has this got to do with Godprophet?

i once tried to preach onboard, they stopped me.

Death is npt ceasation of life. death is separation. theres physical death and spiritual death. physical death is srparstion of the spirit from the body wnile spiritual death is a srparation or damnation from God. The srcond death is a spiritul death. its not a ceasation of life.