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Pastor Kun: I wld have assumed after you sabbatical you would come back a changed and more honest man but then I see nothing as changed.

i decided not to engage in tithing debates. again. not because my opinion changed. its a waste of time, endless circle. let everyone do ehat he is convinced by. The future will tell.

truthislight: actually you are the one that have miss it all that is why you are supporting the fraud going on in churches.

That scripture says that in the former arrangement that it was men that are dying that receive tith.

Note, FORMER ARRANGEMENT.

And that has been replace with a better arrengemen and as the things of the former like sacrifices and tith that men that are dying received have gone with the former arrangement. Heb 7:8 to end of chapter.

Our new high priest is christ that lives. Heb 7:8

we now operate a new convanant with christ as high priest.

It is a new convanant that is why it can accomodate us non Israelite.

Psalm 147:19,20 says " he has shown his word to jacob, his statute and judment unto Israel 20, he has not done such unto any nation and as for his judment they have not know them.

Now, are we Jews/Israel that you greedy extortionist are dealing/collecting tith from?

Where then is the light load that christ promise to christians?

Why are you collecting only tith why not also make animal sacrifice since you dont like the new arrangement?

419 in pastor skin.

All former crooks and 419 without conscience and fear of God have run into churches for selfish extortionary reasons that has nothing to do with the bible you can still open you mouth to insult God on top of it that God needs tith.

Just look at the MOG, all of them, randy guys that have no control of their dick and lust after materialism cheats.

Tith is Not for christians but you still love other people hard earn man money that you cannot produce for your self, infact, you guys are a disgrace, criminals.

if you want to discuss inteligibly i may consider. but if youre out to rain insults, count me out of this getto street fight. thanks.

truthislight: meaning that the new high priest is Jesus that does not die and does not need tith.

If you have to give men that dies tith you are taking us back to the old order.

You're missing it. The point here is the difference between levitical order and Melchizedek order. Levitical priesthood came with the law. Men die under this priesthood. But Melchizedek order has not record of death. Tithing was instituted under this order. So it started with Melchizedek ,then levitical now we are back to Melchizedek . Because Jesus was made a high priest under the order of Melchizedek . One major thing he was known for was tithe[/quote]

k2039: The fact that one is baptised with the Holy ghost doesnt mean one will make it to heaven,one could backslide after receiving the Holy ghost.
Your assumption will be that after her baptism with the Holy ghost,she remained that way till her death(she remained in Christ till her death).
But the fact remains that we dont have any fact about her death,so why should I assume she died in the Lord.
Am not saying she might not be a saint,but my point is their is no evidence to support her sainthood.So praying to her as a saint is foolish when you cant prove beyond reasonable doubt that she is a saint.
Besides praying to a saint is not even biblical,it's a HOAX.
Even we dont pray to Jesus our Lord and savior,we only use is name as access when we pray,we pray to God and God only(John 16).
Joagbaje I know you know that,just trying to make a point clear to our catholic friends.

Yes I agree . But you don't see to get my point. The sainthood of Mary is not based on her death . So there's nothing so special about the sainthood of Mary .The sainthood of Mary is the fact that she believe in God. Every christian is a saint and it's on that ground that Mart became a saint too. I am a saint.

Romans 1:7
To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints. . .

Area_boy: and how do you know this?
Do you have evidence for this? or you just running on speculations and assumptions?

its not assumption.the family members of jesus didnt believe in him at first. but they became vital followers of christ when he died.Mary often disturbed his public ministry indirectly but she jou ed the desciples while waiting for the holyghost. Mary recieved the holyghost too, which proved she was born again. she waited for the holyghost along with other apostles in the upper room.

Act 1:14
14 All of these with their minds in full agreement devoted themselves steadfastly to prayer, [waiting together] with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.

I'm watching Emmanuel tv Monday live broadcast right now. It's explosive. The grace of God is awesome

k2039: Have read a lot on nairaland about Mary mother of Jesus and no disrespect on anybody.My question then "is there any where in the bible where it was written that Mary,mother of Jesus is in heaven or any evidence to ascertain that she is in heaven",so why all this fuss about mary mother of Lord Jesus being a saint.

She's in heaven because she was born again and she recieved the holygjost. She be ame a saint because she believed in Jesus. She is not more of asaint than any spirit filled christian,

truthislight: Do you really understand what the bible book of Hebrews 7 says on the issue of tith?

"That in the former arrangement it was men that are dying that receives tith"

are you saying that on this new arrengement that it is still also men that are dying that will also receive tith?

What then is the essence of classing it as "in the former it was men that are dying"

are the men that you are asking to collect tith not dying again?

Men that died refers to the high priest under levitical order. But Jesus is our high priest under melchizedek order. What's the big deal

It is wrong for a minister to demand charges for blessing people . It is also a simple sense of responsibility to partner or appreciate a minister by ministrying support to him. For those who can. Because sometimes a pastor even find himself giving physical things to certain people after blessing them spiritually .

plaetton: http://sunnewsonline.com/new/national/my-robbery-story-ex-robber/

The story on the above link made me to ask this question.
If a robber has a change of heart, repents , confesses and accepts Jesus for his life, does both the church and the robber not have a moral obligation to the society to ensure that the former robber faces the law, stands trail and punishment for his confessed violent crimes against the society?
If he fails to turn himself in to the law for prosecution, can god still forgive him?

This question goes to the heart of religious or god-inspired morality and what it means for the greater society.
I would love for everyone to offer their views on this topic.

If a robber gets born again , he is a brand new man. Punishing him is punishing an innocent man. The evil spirit or demon of robbery has left him. The church may not be a ble to resist it if the law wants to carry out its justice on such a man. Some gave their heart to Christ while on the death row. They will still die despite the new faith. But spiritually ,an innocent man is being killed but physically a criminal is what the world sees.

truthislight: tithing is not for christians but was exclusively a jewish thing.

That a church tith is a fraud at it best and shows a lack of regard for God and his new arragement.

We are not discussing tithes here. But the doctrine of giving and receiving . And for your information , tithing wasnt a Jewish affair but a principle based on the bible like others such as faith, prayer,worship offerings,, etc. They all pre existed the Jewish law and the Jewish nation. And there's never a place in the bible where God put an end to it or them. I don't like to enter debate on tithe . Let everyone be convinced in his own mind.

i didnt say you never went into a church. to be born again is to receive eternal life. i dont doubt you went into churches,but did you recieve eternal life. did you recieve the holyghost? did you taste the good word of God? being a christian is being born again. not just attending a church. thats what i meant

At least i know the following churches still pay tithe, RCCG, MFM, CHRIST EMBASSY, WINNERS. So, i don't know w

@God2man
every church pays tithe. im not aware of any church where they dont believe in tithing. Those who condemn tithing dont really belong to any church. maybe im wrong, thats how i see it.

a child of God cant be cursed except he put himself under a curse

MacDaddy01: . . . I was a christian before

you couldnt have been before. its either you never was or you didnt even know what chrostianity is. but you sincerely thought you did

Good answer,

@op whats your criteria for judgement?

truthislight: hahaha

am not afraid of you.

and sorry for the "shut up".
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i just hate exploitation.

We can at least speak out against lies.

If people learn to call a sped-a sped then we will begin to discourage evil around us.
Peace

The fact that certain abuse might have taken place does not nullify the word . Giving and receiving is a kingdom principle . Jesus preached it, paul preached it. We must take Gods word for what it says beyond. Our emotions.

okeyxyz: Jesus preached in parables(a shadow of the truth), so he couldn't have been killed for the truth.

Jesus himself is truth and eternal life.


John 14:6
Jesus said to him, I am the Way and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by (through) Me.

Jesus never attained the christ while alive for there could be no christ while the law was still legally standing

Jesus was lord and Christ from the day he recieved the holyghost.


Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Matthew 16:16
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

so christ's time begins after the law is put away. If you say he died for speaking truth, then it must be truth according to the law and not according to christ, the two cannot coexist, for they are contrary to each other. So, while alive, jesus conducted himself in compliance with the law, now for that law to have allowed jesus to die means that it has inadvertently allowed it's own truths and values to be put to death, therefore it's era has ended.

He was the truth and he also came to testify to the truth

John 18:37-38
Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. 38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? . . .

Flashaldrin: I mean like, heaven has been described as a very beautiful place, with angels, mansions, gold, unimaginable riches and wealth, and even God himself.
I would then imagine that every christian would like to die and go to that beautiful place, i mean they should be really impatient about going there, but the reverse is the case. I see many christians sooo afraid of death, always praying hard for long life and all that. When thay get sick you see them all jittery and panicky as if they dont believe in the kain heaven.
Even muslims are better off, atleast they have suicide bombers and others but its hard to see a christian that will die for their faith.
I'm a christian but i dont understand. . .

To start with a christian cannot make impact in his death. It's only the living who can serve God. Every christian has a purpose to fulfill, he must stay Alive to fulfill it.its only a man who has no purpose that will be eager to die. Secondly ,heaven is only a temporary abode ,just for 7years. Our permanent abode is earth.

Pastor Kun: On the contrary they are quoting the bible out of context; I.e twisting the scriptures to disguise their lust for money.

church money does not belong to the pastors. most pastors have their own jobs and businesses. except Some, like the G.O. or others who God may not allow to work by the reason of their increasing responsibilities. most denominations send men with good job into pastoring. he gives his tithe or offerings like everyone else. so who is duping who? ministry is responsibility.

truthislight: will you shut up.

are you afraid of me?

MacDaddy01: As usual a tithe-preacher will twist scriptures to further his mission of deceiving his slave church members.

no need for insult. l didnt quote from quoran. be humble to learn

ble. I think they got married because they have been friends for long.

Tee Mac (Musician)

There is no point two people living together as husband and wife, if they are not happy with each other. Happiness is very important in any relationship. Two people can only live and be happy with each other, if it is so sanctioned by God. But if they both think that it will save both of them a lot of stress by living apart from each other or separating from each other, then it is best they do so. There is nothing like ‘till death do us apart’ anymore, that injunction is outdated. We are in modern times and every relationship has to be guided by love and happiness. It is correct for Pastor Kris and his wife to split if the love and happiness that joined them together are no longer there. Anyway, I believe that two people can live together without being married. I wish Pastor Kris Okotie all the best and also wish his ex-wife Stephanie all the best

how do we trust if this comments are real from church members? . To start with Tee Mac is a member of Tb joshua synagogue. nigerian press na wa

saintvc: SOW A SEED
WHAT U SOW, U REAP
GOD BLESES A CHEERFUL GIVER
GIVE TO THE LORD
U WIL RECIVE DOUBLE


These are some of d words we hear from pastors when urgin the members to give unto d lord.

So do you know more than God? Are they not quoting Gods word?

... and he answers a lot of peoples questions, with The bible

its biblical

Gal 6:6
6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.


When Jesus said freely you Recieve feely give, it refers to selling miracles .jesus himself Recieve support financial

CrazyMan: For respect I guess

Yes of course and beyond that . There's actually a father to children relationship spiritually speaking. jesus often address his desciple as his children even though many were older than him.

John 13:33
Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

Paul did thesame too

Galatians 4:19
My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

The only reason for calling them children is because he assumed position of a father

Likewise John

1 John 2:1
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 Corinthians 4:15
After all, though you should have ten thousand teachers (guides to direct you) in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the glad tidings (the Gospel).


Philippians 2:22
But ye know the proof of him, that, as a son with the father, he hath served with me in the gospel.

It is not a law. It's based on relationship. Afterall it is not the person who gave birth that is parent but the person who raise the child.

stillme: When I was reading my bible as usual,I came across the story of Esau and Jacob which I found interesting but at a time I could not understand the story when I saw"Jacob I love,Esau I hate".
To bible scholars,why did God hate Esau?

God didn't hate esau , he loves him actually. He only Prefer jacob above him. The use of the word HATRED is not in the negative as dislike. But rather preference for the other person. We don't like everybody equally..its a translation problem . The Jews understands the language.Jesus use it also.


Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

If Jesus taught about honor for parents ,he could not have promoted Hatred at thesame time. So it means to "prefer above" we don't like everybody alike. Even Jesus' had preference among the disciples .

John 21:7
Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith [/b]unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher's coat unto him, (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea.

John was the disciple he loved the most. That doesn't mean he hated Peter or even judas. He only loved one more.

CEV translation throws more light

[b]Romans 9:13
That's why the Scriptures say that the Lord liked Jacob more than Esau.

stillme: When I was reading my bible as usual,I came across the story of Esau and Jacob which I found interesting but at a time I could not understand the story when I saw"Jacob I love,Esau I hate".
To bible scholars,why did God hate Esau?

God didn't hate esau , he loves him actually. He only Prefer jacob above him. The use of the word HATRED is not in the negative as dislike. But rather preference for the other person. We don't like everybody equally..its a translation problem . The Jews understands the language.Jesus use it also.


Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

If Jesus taught about honor for parents ,he could not have promoted Hatred at thesame time. So it means to "prefer above" we don't like everybody alike. Even Jesus' had preference among the disciples . John was the disciple he loved the most. That doesn't mean he hated Peter or even judas. He only loved one more.

Did Jesus Really Exist? Where is the proof from non-Bible sources that he is real?

The simplest way to know is in the calendar. what year are we? 2012. This shows the number of years after christ was crucified.

tbjfansuk: A worker in a church, Dominion World International Church, Igando in Alimosho area of Lagos State, Southwest Nigeria, Jegede

Chris Oyakhilome
Emofe, has allegedly duped his General Overseer, Pastor Young Oyakhilome (not the G.O. of Christ Embassy Church, Pastor Chris Oyakhilome).

so why did they put Chris oyakhilome picture there? must pm news always do shrewd things to make sales? how can we even be sure theres any truth in this story

It's coming so late after android has made so many apps available. Thanks to galaxy.