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Who was he up against in those seasons?

forgiveness:
FIFA is FIFA, CAF is CAF.

Ok, let me agree you thought Eto won AFCON in 2004 hence your wrong submissions.

Let me also agree Eto was the best in 2004/2005 season but can you pls explain what he did to win the award for the 2002/2003 and 2003/2004 season?

Oh! I remember he played for middle table Mallorca then.

Oga when dem call u name now you will complain oh.

I'm for the call up of Adarabioyo and Tosin though..

But you know what i mean.


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Oh and I forgot to add because you mentioned Tammy. Tammy does not deserve another approach. he never deserved another approach. we have already set the ball rolling. what he needs to do is declare that he has a change of mind.. then it's up to us to accept him back or ignore completely.
AND. his current form is not good enough. let's keep watching him against Qatar 2022

forgiveness:
I think NFF should intensify moves to approach some of these players now.


Tosin Adarabioyo - Manchester City

Dominic Solanke - Liverpool

Lookman Ademola - Everton

Kehinde Tosin - Manchester United

I think we have to forget the past and still approach Tammy Abraham. After all, Zaha also shuned Ghana before he latter turned out for them.

this is the mindset I was talking about. Having the view that FIFA or UEFA's opinions always have to reflect in CAF.

Jarus:
You are very funny.

Drogba that was the 10th best player in the world in 2005 was the player you want to compare with Martins?

Essien, the best player in French League and 22nd in the World for 2005?

You talked about FIFA stuff, but those 3 players got bigger recognition by FIFA, and you want the order to change in Africa?

You have a point..

tbaba1234:
I understand why you say that but his stats in Germany have not been bad. Perhaps, Nigeria does not know how to use him.

Okay.. let me get this out of the way, i'm not arguing for Nigerian players as regards APOTY.. But I understand, if you got that impression.
What I'm simply saying is the same criteria don't always apply year after year, whether its FIFA or CAF awards. Why is that? It's commonsense, it's humans that vote.
And you cannot take away politics entirely in the voting system. So what we have is we tally up subjective opinions to make an objective opinion. Does that mean the system is flawed? Not necessarily. That's the rules. Can it be better? Definitely!

As regards your claim, if you can find me a witness or two who has been with you here as early as you have,and can tell us that all you have said is true, then fine.. merely stating it doesn't make it true.

Jarus:
Before some of you joined NL not to talk of starting this thread, some of us have been discussing this issue of APOTY every year.

I took part in every NL thread on APOTY in the last 10 years!

And before I discovered NL in 2007, I have been actively been discussing APOTY award since 1998, offline.

When it comes to Nigerian football, only very few folks here are as passionate as I am.

This is just being realistic, no Nigerian has deserved APOTY and not given.

The nearest was JJ vs Hadji in 1998 and JJ vs Eto'o in 2004, but still Hadji and Eto'o had a slight edge in the 2 years.

There is also a school of thought that believes Ghana's Kuffour deserved the 1999 award ahead of our own Kanu. I don't agree with that but it is worth mentioning that even in some of those controversial periods favoured Nigeria.

The earlier we realize that no one is sitting somewhere denying Nigerian players any award, the better.

If you do very well and shut down the world of football like Eto'o, Drogba, Yaya, Aubameyang etc, no one will deny you any award.


Let's face it, what we have been producing in the last 15 years are just average players. Produce world beaters like Yaya, Drogba, Eto'o, Aubameyang etc and see if you will no win it.

lol ok

safarigirl:
I didn't actually

I checked my mentions and replied you before I came to the thread

my bad

e4macentz:
it's actually HER not him..

Lol..
How do we know that it is true that U have not guessed wrong? U have to be here in this thread long enough.

I don’t care where the coaches are from, as long as they are not angels voting.

Jarus:
FIFA publishes votes for WPOTY by country captains and coaches. Over 300 coaches and Captains around the world could not be wrong.

I dont know for other person, but I have never guessed wrong WPOTY in the last 10 years. It's usually very glaring.

I’m sure u saw my response to him before ur epistle lol

safarigirl:
THANK YOU

You didn’t need to break it down. I had already understood with fewer words..

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Let me add that you are now sounding less sentimental. I want to encourage you continue in this fine way.

safarigirl:
lemme give you a scenario.

If a teacher meets his student and tells him "when I was your age, I was a trouble maker like you".... Would you say that was premature?

Because the basis of my comparison is on the fact that Salah HAD a rough patch at his time and the same MAY be happening to KC. I am not saying KC is Salah, because obviously, Salah is older and has spent many more years in professional football.

I am only saying there is a POSSIBILTY that KC, LIKE Salah, could become an ace forward.

Just the same way I could use Moses as an example of a player that hasn't always had it rosy.

The idea is to SHOW that if one person could make it, surely, another person could. It is not saying " this person is as good as this other person currently"

The fact that I have to break down something so simple to anyone is befuddling.

it's not soley on the players performance.
It's also about his impact on the team.
A player who performs well personally, but fails to win a trophy with his team, will have a less chance compared to one who ALSO wins a trophy with his team. What does that tell you? Stop basing it on a player's performance alone.

We can do a Messi vs Ronaldo, since that rivalry started and you will see that FIFA is not infallible.

Jarus:
I dont see any big deal in assessing player's performance. It is usually very glaring except for anyone with some nationalistic biases.

Oga Jarus.. What's the title of this thread..

wait until we come to a European thread, then we can make that argument. This thread is to support Nigerian players. But that does not mean we should throw away logic. That said, the question remains, what should be the criteria for CAF. I made a list of 8 parameters. Until CAF is clear about this, and their criteria doesn't have to be dependent on FIFA's shortlist/criteria. The point is we need to be clear about ours.
Abi do we always have to wait for oyibo, before we know who is worth what? I repeat our shortlist don't have to be dependent on FIFA's. That's colonial mentality. We have to be clear about ours, then we can debate from there if it's a good criteria or not.

Jarus:
Martins made the initial long list for 2005 APOTY but could not have made the Top 3.

Tell me which of Eto'o, Essien and Drogba you think he could displace as top 3 for that year?

He was nominated for the long list FIFPro Young footballer of the year, how do you want him to make final 3 ahead of Etoo, Drogba and Essien that were nominated in Top 30 in the world for senior category?

Eto'o and Drogba were among FIFA WPOTY Top 10 in 2005. Essien also made the initial shortlist and came 22nd in the world. Essien was also voted best player in French league for 2004/2005 season.

These are people you think should not make Africa's top 3 ahead of Martins in 2005?

My Naija people need to follow other players too. Football doesnt revolve around Nigerian players only.

we have started again.

Humility017:
bro....that guy wanna play for England....please let's save ourselves further embarrassment

Ehen very good

terzurum5:
I saw these pictures somewhere and decided to keep them safe in my archives so I can use them for reference purpose when the right time comes.


They are people who will deliberate use the **age cheating** card just to discredit efforts put in by this administration.

God bless the NFF.

I was just been sarcastic Sir.
cc: Mazimee

That has to be sarcasm or else u don lose ur credibility o as the creator of this thread

terzurum5:
These guys look older than 15 year old boys.
I am highly convinced they have slashed 2/3 of their ages. They are older than what they have declared. In short you can see the no 10 & 12 look so malnourished.

I am speaking from **experiential knowledge** of what is common with the Nigerian sports terrain.




I don't believe their declared ages

Ujah is average

tbaba1234:
Why, Ujah has always scored goals in Germany..

Mainz made a bad move

tbaba1234:
Ujah is back in Germany.. If he gets a few goals, he could be going to the WC...

Very pathetic..
That’s our mindset. We love what Oyibo things that was not built in one day, and refuse to build ours

tbaba1234:
This makes me so angry.. Grown men with families begging to survive... It is so sad... This is why Nigeria players rush abroad..

This same Wike is paying millions to bring Real Madrid academy to PH.. Ridiculous..

Ok I get it .. my bad

e4macentz:
I don't think she's comparing.i think she's trying to say KC is having a bad spell just like salah did in Chelsea..

I agree

forgiveness:
I watched him closely yesterday and I was impressed with his performance.

This is the time to lure him to the WC. He is going to be a very good addition to the WC team.

If Nwakali was called up to compete, definitely Ryan deserves it. They are both DMs

junnyjake:
He's a decent player, but I don't think we need him at the moment.

I too want KC to succeed. In fact I have a soft spot for Manu’s 2013 eaglets.
But let’s not forget that KC was promising, Else he won’t have got a working permit to play in the EPL. And he started very brightly. I can’t wait to see him fulfill his full potential.
But comparing him to Salah is premature. It’s not a matter of what’s my opinion. Just learn to say it as it is sometimes, even when it involves your boy. You don’t like KC as a footballer more than I do

safarigirl:
if you think there is no basis, that is your personal opinion.

Tosin Adarabioyo's Carabao Cup, WhoScored stats

It just got confirmed abi?

Russianruble:
Nigeria vs Poland has been confirmed, let us analyse it please

Cc safarigirl

His stats is impressive. See it for what it is. Mind you this is not an invitation to start a comparison debate.
Salah actually did very well in Roma.

Jarus:
Sick as in?

Na only you bring KC into this matter.
There is no basis for comparison here. Wait until KC gets many more games under his belt.

safarigirl:
what stood out is that Salah had his own rough patch with Chelsea as well and Kelechi may be having that now.

So, is it fantasy that Salah had 2 goals in 19 games for an EPL team at some point in his career?

As far as I know, Kelechi had a very decent record with City, not like he has always been poor.

so na only Chelsea stat stand out to you, of all the stats there.

only you said, "Kelechi's stats will probably"

But what I laid out there is a reality.

safarigirl:
Kelechi's International Stats will probably look like that after 56 Caps.

19 games for Chelsea and 2 goals.... He must have been exceptionally useless for them back then.....makes you wonder what some of the Kelechi detractors must have said of him back then....the same ones praising him today must have laughed at him then and said how much of a waste of money he is. Papers would have called him a flop and Chelsea fans on Twitter must have called for his head


But Time changes all things, just like time changed the downward spiral of Moses' career and elevated Salah back to that Premier league he must have had nightmares of from his last experience

I wonder how many Egyptians tossed him aside back then.....

Goes to show, pesin wey good good, they may have hindrances and may not always show their class because of some circumstances, but doesn't mean they are gone forever.

lol yes there should be a specified amount of points per parameter.
And maybe votes should also be one of the parameters. That way votes won't carry 100% weight.
And this should apply to Best of FIFA Awards as well.

kennysville:
You know what I feel? I feel after those parameters must have been spelt out, let computers do the actual voting. Human beings will always be human beings with their absurd preferences and clouded judgements. That way, you have fairness.

OGN reports that NFF opens talks with Ryan Sanusi

What's the criteria?

Kog45:
Thanks but i will not accept that am being biased.

Nigerian players cannot set the standard or criteria on how CAF should does her things regard APOTY,they should try to measure up to the criteria and only way is to continue working hard to merit the award.

I remember of recent Mikel and Enyeama almost nick it so i don't see CAF being sentimental,this is a body that considered Ekong for the same award

you mean every year a Nigerian was in contention?
Well, let's just say they seem to change the criteria every year.
They need to come clear as to what criteria should have more weight.
So that will have a standard that will guide the conscience of the voters.

safarigirl:
the problem with CAF is that they seem to change the rules every year against the Nigerian.

This year it ia club exploits, next year it's AFCON, before you know it, they will say it's based on sexual exploits.

But whatever criteria they use, the Nigerian must get the short end of the stick.

kennysville:
Lolzzzzz. Excellent analysis. Except that e get k-leg small

The problem I have with all of these is when the rules change, you wont be here to defend it and clearly show us what really happened. I never wanted to comment on this APOTY but i think I have had enough! Left to me, the award is a popularity contest. Its no longer about contributions to the world of football. Even your analysis says it all.

This is why when you watch talent shows, absurd people win in a ridiculous manner that befuddles the mind. And still we will have some weird way of explaining it away.

All the goals Okocha scored in the EPL nko? Werent they enough for him to be named APOTY? Ever since he left bolton wanderers, what has become of them? You wanna know? They wandered throungh lower tier leagues. At least he was named BBC African footballer twice. Where was all this recognition in Caf? So my friend, this analysis sweet as it sounds, is still a biased one.

If Caf wants to put things right, it shouldnt be about exploits in European leagues. The parameters need to be a lot more clearer and not on sentimental speculation of international rating. And certainly also not on goal scoring prowess. End of story!

@bolded, that has been my point