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He should be called to SE.. haha..

it's a very innocent question oh.. don't even take it there.

Icon4s:
So what about him?

We need to think about now and the future. We cannot afford to lose special players to England. This does not in anyway distract us from qualification.

And I don't agree. The NFF is luring players born in England not just for the sake of fixing areas where we have problems. All I'm saying is they should prioritize with really talented players instead. So tell me why did Rohr go for Bazee instead Torunarigha if your assertion is true?

Icon4s:
Just for camping?
Please we need players that will contribute to our WC and AFCON qualifications either on the pitch or from the bench. It is not as if we do not have a team in place. We have a team already and any player that is coming in now must add value.

The coaching crew is doing what it can to secure the ones that are AVAILABLE and WILLING to represent Nigeria. And Rohr is not just inviting just to snatch them from England as you put it. He is inviting them based on necessity of using them to fix any position(s) we are lacking depth. That is the adding value I am talking about. For eg Aina and Ebuehi would definitely add depth and options to the defense. But what value will someone like Onyedinma add to the midfield? Remember we still have a lot of young AM/Wingers that have not even been considered. Eg Samuel Kalu, Henry Onyekuru, Obinnna Nwobodo(scored a brace today at away Gombe), Kelechi Nwakali.

If Rohr needs any player whether foreign born or locally born he will invite. If the player is not part of his plans/program then no invitation. Not just because we want to snatch them from England.

Why is nobody talking about Matthew Olosunde of Manchester United?

Need I bold "players showing lots of promise"?

And if you read carefully you will know that i'm implying for the purpose of camping not necessarily changing our starting 11.. Read my post again, slowly and carefully lol

Icon4s:
How many can you invite at a time? Except we want to be parading different starting 11s for every game.

I personally will give special consideration to players not born in Nigeria who are showing lots of promise for obvious reasons.. Let me state it here. Should they become a hot property and England wants them, it will be hard for Nigeria to win the war. It's easier to win them over when they had met the SE family. b

tbaba1234:
Apart from some highlights, I have not seen him play.

We have seen players shine in the lower leagues but unable to cut it in the premier league.

At this point, i will invite him to an under 20/23 side instead of the national team. There are several players ahead of him in his role. Onyekuru, Samuel Kalu etc are yet to be given a look in.

South Africa/Nigeria: Rohr to Name Different Squad for South Africa

Contrary to the belief in some quarters that the list released Monday would be the same squad for the AFCON 2019 qualifier against South Africa, Super Eagles coach, Gernot Rohr has said that the list of players released yesterday was solely for the team's training exercise in France and the Corsica friendly game.

" Not at all," the Franco-German tactician clarified, adding, "this is not the list for the clash against South Africa. It's just for the camping in France and the friendly against Corsica. The list for the South Africa tie will be out later in the month."

Continuing, the coach said, "The camp in France is to see some of the young players we have in the team, and also gauge the level of fitness of some of the players who have not been playing a lot for their teams.

"After the friendly against Corsica, we will release another list which will be for the game against South Africa in Uyo, with some players returning while those who impress during the camp in France will also be included "

http://allafrica.com/stories/201705100546.html

If I remembered my point clearly then, sticking to the point. I made reference to his interview on a digital edition of magazine, that based on the information provided about his graduation from secondary school, club experience etc, his declared age was most likely not true.

komekn:
I did not.

The reality is that within the whole packaging (marketing) of a player age falsification is intrinsic to its success.

The fact that it is impossible to verify or substantiate anybody date if birth in Nigeria makes the whole process very easy.

There is progression MRI has helped but at least you don't have men of 25/26 being paraded as U17 anymore.

I long brought up this age issue as regards Odey and some of us here wanted to castrate me hahahahaha. I feel vindicated now.

tbaba1234:
What is the true story behind Odey's trial? Did he fail the trial or is it age discrepancies? How does he ensure that he does not get age discrepancy issues again if true..

Why is he apologizing? Would he be apologizing if he was offered a deal?

I don't care one bit about the Corsica friendly. That French territory is just a small island. I think the highlight for me is the get-together which will give Rohr another opportunity to blend the familiar players and take a look at the new players. Even our U-17 team can execute this friendly successfully, which is why I don't care who Rohr fields for the match. It would have been better if we had played a French club side. Anyway, friendly na friendly.

Nobody is celebrating Odey's inclusion after the uproar here. Now we are complaining of Onyekuru's omission. My people this na Corsica friendly o. Patience patience patience.
When Onyekuru finally gets in that team he will hardly be displaced. Now let's see if Odeh can make the cut.

The list is a very good one! Rohr keep roaring.

Icon4s:
I thought he said the France camping was mostly to test new/young players. There could have been no better time to invite Henry Onyekuru than this.

At least we have seen a lot of Musa why not we see Onyekuru this time instead.

If he cannot test them in a game like this friendly is it in the big games we have ahead.

Well, make I just dey look first .

Make Ejaria reject am oh, if he wants an easy transition into SE. I believe he has not played for any of England's junior teams before now

ChrisKels:
Really hots that a bench warmer in Solanke was chosen ahead of Tammy the goals machine but I can't tell why I'm happy it did happen this way. Pinnick oya let's play our card to sway him biko. He would be gutted by the snub and probably would now be considering his chances of making it to Russia with Nigeria.

I would want him in Corsica, Onyedinma too.

Well I think the system only attempts to address poor performance or provide better learning at the childhood stage, not necessarily solve illiteracy as it has to do with the Nigerian factor. I think Nigeria's problem with low literacy is poverty. Maybe I'm mixing up the argument. But I will wait to watch the movie.

TheSuperNerd:
Yep.... the entrepreneurship mindset can be applied to even current soccer stars.... no need for schooling on that one. Those with eyes on the far future can be helped through good workshops, seminars or whatever to invest wisely with the income flowing in from football so as to have an empire to fall back on years after retirement..
C.Ronaldo, Zlatan, and a host of these guys understand this and are applying it already.... but we gotta enlighten our own current footballers about it.


But that is on one hand.... the coach carter concept is about Kids who haven't started earning yet.... so entrepreneurship classes is easily included in the dynamic curriculum of their football-education journey....

Our focus in the CC concept is on the kids for tomorrow not on guys already playing the game at top levels.

And let the results of the Concept applied be the judge of what level of guarantee we are talking about coz it has worked wonders to a strong degree at various places around the world...... and after all, All of Life is a risk..... but are we gonna fold our arms because there are no 100% guarantee or because risks are involved?

Bottomline... go watch the movie but plss if you won't do it with an open heart and mind and keen observation..... then I pray thee.... just don't bother wasting your time....

Okay good. Your suggestion IF (Big if) it works in the long run does not still guarantee much. But I agree some footballers after their retirement will be better off through that system. I think what they really need is not jobs after retirement, but an entrepreneurship mindset which they should have even during their careers. But for those who fell by the way side. What will those who did not succeed in going professional fall back to? And how will their situation be different from our many graduates still looking for jobs?

TheSuperNerd:
Uhmmmm.... I believe centrally it is about making the next-next-next generation of Nigerian footballers more equipped for life after football.... our focus is on the kids of tomorrow to become better individuals as ex-internationals in the after-tomorrow....

For me, since I was growing up I was always in shock at how many of our ex-internationals live and try to survive Years after their retirement from the game.

So the issue is not with our current footballers... it is for the kids who still have the chance to experience the best of both worlds.


But ofcos... we know not all will become professional footballers and we wouldn't want those who won't make it as football stars (for whatever reason) to have nothing to hold onto as they grow up into adults.

Okay well, let me be sure I get the point of this whole argument. What is the problem we have here? Nigerian footballers who don't have formal education?

TheSuperNerd:
Ofcos I did.... But didn't wanna dwell much on it. Or why do you think I spoke of Selection of teachers.... do you know the reasons behind why I say we must select and why? and then expose them to the concept which won't be difficult to grasp.....

This is between the teachers, with the virtues I want (not perfect teachers but teachers that will get the job done and are willing to put in their best), and the kids... and also involving their parents and even more parents to be convinced after the first trial.

So don't say I didn't get you... it was you who didn't understand why selection must be done. I factored in the Nigerian mentality and host of other factors before making that one comment.


But before you can question me further on this... bcoz you don't sound optimistic at all... go watch the Coach carter movie and get an idea.

The system will face the challenge of duplication, which is why it's not even still applied at a larger scale today. Teachers will need to firstly, have love for the profession, be truly interested in children, have patience etc.. which is why I brought up the issue of our Nigerian mentality. I've passed through different education systems and noticed this is not only typical with Nigerian teachers. But you didn't get me on that. I wasn't talking about mentality of young children lol

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corrected my typos. had replied in a hurry

TheSuperNerd:
Don't you get it already? looolll

The short term plan won't be to cover all.... it is a test-run... and will involve some and not all.... I mentioned that in the early posts I replied you with... I said something like... "before we go widespread and long term... we have to watch how it goes in a six year plan... the doubters' test"

So are you asking questions to know whether it is feasible or just to show that I don't know what I am talking about or it just can't work coz it sounds to me you don't buy it at all....

Well like you first said... go watch the movie before you join issues with me.

All I'm saying is we have lots of football talents in the country that you can hardly reach in a short time with that system. Doesn't solve the problem to me. However you can help some kids with it.

TheSuperNerd:
You are moving too far ahead and too fast.... there is a reason I start with a six year plan.

Your 20 year talk is looking way way down the road at who will make it in the game and who will focus om professional fields or other subprofessional fields outside football....

Ofcos it is a long term plan... but a test-run of six years is to show that these kids can navigate through high school education in both worlds... football and education... that is he short term outlook before going gung-ho into the long term brouhaha of it all....

This thing called the coach carter system/concept, when it was first applied by Coach carter himself, worked on kids within less than 2-3 yrs.... then it became a norm and it is still being used today.
Some other places around the world have adapted it to suit their own environment and ideals and it is still working. So a six year doubters test plan will do at first before the marathon....

Sounds like a long term plan to me that's if it will succeed. It would take about about 2 decades or so for us to determine the overall benefit of the system based on first test run. Ask me why if you have not already figured out. remember the context for now is our football talents.

TheSuperNerd:
The teacher to students ratio will be well sorted... and yes the teachers have to be selected... we have a great number of teachers in Nigeria and more are still rising. And selection will have to be done because this system has a target for the kids. It is goal-oriented. So the teachers have to be picked and exposed to the system... that won't be difficult really.

And talking of the number of talented kids.... you have to consider the size each school can take. So this is why it has to be a widespread thing but before that... we have to give it a test-run for about 6years maximum since people wanna know what they will be getting into and what benefits would result. We have to employ what I call "the doubters' test"

By how sustainable, I'm considering the teacher to student ratio. Since teachers will need to be carefully selected it means you can only reach a few students since patience will be needed in this individualized teaching system.

Sounds to me the the system cannot rrach hundreds and hundreds of talented kids waiting to be nurtured, since duplication will be highly challenging.

TheSuperNerd:
Thanks man.... the teaching personnel will be carefully selected and then exposed to how the concept will work. because we need dedication and Patience on the part of the teachers on the academic side to ensure that no child is left behind even as the football coaches on the sports side do their thing with keenness and professionalism....( and room for exceptions as regards super exceptional talents will be made too in case he or she struggles academically... a newer and better approach will be fashioned for him or her according to how he or she can learn best and every child has a way of being reached out to..... "Like stars on earth" a movie that tells of a real life story of a boy with a neurological problem called Dyslexia who was reached out to and made sound enough academically thru the efforts of just one teacher's dedication and Patience).

How sustainable? well, The Nigerian Mentality is what it is... every environment has their general mentality but again we deal with kids.... kids between 11-18 are almost the same all over the world based on traits common to preteens and teens.....

Though it is true a child forms his/her core personality between ages 2-7.... I believe. But basically kids the world over are still explorers and curious even at ages 11-18 and can still be fashioned and moulded to fit certain systems and situations.

I believe when the parents see that the child will be the better for it then they will have no choice but to support the child (who has love for playing the game) also in his venture into the two worlds of sports(football in this case) and education.

I think anyone who is going to join issues with you about the Coach Carter system need to first watch the movie. However, I would like to ask, how about the the teaching personnel. will they need to have some kind of specialized training? Let's put Nigerian teachers into perspective. Also how sustainable, considering our mentality?

TheSuperNerd:
Forget about the use of Cannot and will not.... My posts were well labeled and explained... and even when I said "Can work" (and I majorly said "Can Work" and u even acknowledged that you understand the mix-up even when I used will work- which I did coz I was trying to stress a point).... you still didn't bulge about your position on the concept working in Nigeria... you went on and on about me not grasping the realities on ground.... and implied centrally that the system cannot work for our kids. You also kept making use of Olodo rabatas description.


If you said it may work, or let us give it a try.... Would we be having this debate?? Na wa oooo.... isn't it clear how this part of the debate began?

And the argument on the highly talented child was already settled in one of my earlier posts and my thoughts shared summarily again in the post you just quoted before this angle of the debate saying "Coach carter concept cannot work in Nigeria" began......

On the issue of forcing.... which was never the issue while we debated... you made the comment while making a point to another and now I asked you if your child was in a scenario that have him wanting to leave school before he finishes secondary school sef... would you allow it? You have answered that one... and no, your child is not the super and highly talented example.... he is just a kid who is convinced his destiny lies I'm football and not schooling... don't shift the goal post on that one.... your child and the issue of the special talent is different..... as simple as that.


And no you didnt use any phrase directly but you implied simply that the coach carter concept cannot work for all as regards those combining football(or any sports at all) and Education. Then I made use of "will work" when stressing how it worked from scums of the earth in black america, in ghetto slums and all....

Then I always reverted back to my "Can work", " effective", and "results-laden". Chikena....

I have an idea of a form of education that will work in Nigeria. I believe it will be the best system in the world. It's not necessarily new in it's every aspect but it's very different from the formal education we've always known. One thing about our formal education even to the university level all over the world is students are not taught with empowerment in mind which is why we lack many entrepreneurially-ready graduates with leadership skills, but what we have is a majority who graduate with only one thing in mind -- finding a "good" job. That's not the reality of the century we live in. That mindset belongs to the Industrial Age. And this also applies to our young footballers. I will stop at that. I have a dream!

Lol

SIRmanjar:
Hmmmmm! She is a scientist..Ohk oo! noted..Scentist that has an interest in futball ad literature.
Ur case flle is still on my table.

Brilliant. There are many things not taught in schools. Because of this excellent post I would like to seat with u and talk about some plan of mine as regards improving Nigeria's education sector. It's time to give back positively so we can truly empower our next generation.

safarigirl:
i am not against education, I am against formal education.

I asked you earlier but never got a reply, are you aware that there are other ways to educate someone without sending them to school?

The problem with both you and supernerd is that you think education is a one-way street.

Okay...you say you want footballers to be better educated, but they don't like schools. What do you do?

Has either of you considered the possibility of taking school to the streets?

Rather than all this " pass exams, get good grades" and all that. Educate them about the careers they want to delve into, organise a thirty minute session if you can, before they get to kicking balls. Tell them of the possibilities that await them, the good and the bad, the legal perspective and the cultural one.

These cases you cite of Iheanacho signing multiple contracts and such, it is not because he did not go to school. There is NO SECONDARY SCHOOL anywhere in Nigeria or Africa that will teach you on how to sign a contract. None!

So, how would his getting formal education in a secondary school have avoided that? Or you think everyone who goes to secondary school ought to know these things? Even University graduates in Nigeria don't know about contracts

Instead of both you and TheSupernerd to be speaking big grammar on one Coach Carter system, I expected you guys to bring up something that can work in Nigeria. How will learning Physics and Biology help Iheanacho to avoid signing the wrong thing?

Educate them, but educate them on things that will help their immediate venture- football. If they feel unfulfilled after their sojourn in footy, then they have the option to further education.

Stop saying people's kids won't be allowed to play football because they can't get six credits in WAEC/NECO...no be University admission dem dey find

ROFL
If una marry I swear I must come that wedding even if Na Australia I dey

SIRmanjar:
My kween wot should we practice?maybe monarchy baa?Where you will rule ad reign over us in fairness,peace ad justice.

And I hadn't commented much that specific day. Maybe use of the same words twice. You could be right.

tbaba1234:
...

Probably, spambot

I noticed I got banned after I insinuated twice that owngoals report were speculations. My people what are the possibilities? Lol.. I dey suspect some people for this thread.

Alas! He scored the winner versus Alkmaar few minutes after intro .

Chrismario:
Awoniyi don score ooo

Gbam! The best way to learn is actually doing.

tglobal:
You don't learn life hacks in the four walls of a classroom! In fact, most useful education occurs outside the four walls!

Education isn't physics, maths or economics and you don't need to have formal education to be able to manage your finances. All you need is to know your limitations and find experts who can help you and this comes from exposure.

I have heard people talk about US , UK with reference to education and I wonder if they really know what they are talking about. A cursory look at the education budget in these countries or the ratio of international students to home grown students will make the truth clearer.

I will give you a personal anecdote: I worked for 4 years as an analyst in an investment bank before leaving the UK and I found one curious thing: The heads of my trading team didn't see the four walls of a university! they started their careers as boys who were passing trading punch cards in the exchange, mastered it and they are top investment bankers today. In the grand scheme of things, classroom education didnt help them, rather they found their passion, reinvented themselves and they are where they are today.

I make bold to say that what makes these societies tick is specialization. People developing skills relevant to their passion. Why should a Jay Jay Okocha worry about not mastering mathematics when he could devote more time in honing his dribbling skills? Does that mean you can cheat him in business? Certainly not! Why? business skills are not taught in the classroom.

The earlier we do away with our worship of "formal education" in our country, the better for us. Education doesn't begin and end in the classroom, shikena! Advanced countries realize this and they are rewarded for it!

The earlier we helped children identify their passion and support them, the better.



I have so much to say about this matter just not able to type now

Rohr should have made attempts on this guy instead of Bazee. I thought we needed defenders.. At least prioritize. We need solid players not just players oh.

TheSuperNerd:
German Coach Says Rohr German-Nigerian Target Torunarigha Can Be Good As Boateng In Defence

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Hertha Berlin fast rising German -Nigerian defender Jordan Torunarigha can be as good as Bayern Munich and Germany star defender Jerome Boateng according to his coach Paul Dardai.

Born to a Nigerian father named Ojokojo Torunarigha who played for Shooting Stars of Nigeria in the 80’s, the defender has made giant strides this season, which could spark a war between Nigeria and Germany over his international future.


Torunarigha is reportedly one of the players coach of the senior national team of Nigeria Gernot Rohr is eyeing to bolster the defence line of Nigeria, although Germany are also keen on the defender representing them at senior level.

Dardai who gave the 19 year old his breakthrough this season at Hertha Berlin believes, he has all it takes to be a good defender as Boateng, if he keep on working hard and maintain his focus.

“Jordan is an absolute pro ready for competition, he is always in the right place in important matches. That was so in the youth team. He is a rough diamond, which has to be polished and then he’ll play properly,” said Dardai.

“Jordan can become one like Jerome Boateng. He reminds me of him in his way of playing. ”


**Ade Emmanuel

Source: http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/05/04/german-coach-says-rohr-german-nigerian-target-torunarigha-can-be-good-as-boateng-in-defence/

"A club source" lol

terzurum5:
Red Hot Everton Target Onyekuru Too Expensive For Borussia Monchengladbach – Eupen

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Eupen hot in demand forward Henry Onyekuru who is a target for several teams in Europe, following his goal scoring exploits in what his is debut season in Belgium might be too expensive for Borrusia Monchengladbach.


A club source confirmed to Owngoalnigeria.com, that the Bundesliga side scouted the forward before sounding out the club over a potential deal for the 17 year old, who has 18 goals in all competitions this season for Eupen.


However they were put off by the asking price tag of the Aspire Academy graduate, with Eupen demanding a package close to €15m, a figure that includes add ons based on success and future transfer.


Onyekuru’s valuation put off the Germans, leaving a host of English teams lead by Everton as front runners for his signature in the summer, with Onyekuru also admitting he prefers a move to England.


Already the forward has met with Everton and Southampton with Liverpool the other English team linked with him yet to contact him officially despite their reported interest in him.

Daniel Martins

http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/05/04/red-hot-everton-target-onyekuru-too-expensive-for-borussia-monchengladbach-eupen/

Whether dem born u abroad or home let's see them in camp. But foreign born clearly have an advantage. Home talent can be diamond in the rough.

maidaboi:
And i understand your hatred for nigerian born lads...
Please continue

Federer and Williams fan.. So cool

safarigirl:
Fine Boys

For real though...I spent a lot of time with my uncles and guys, they got me interested in football first. There is just something electric about an atmosphere when people are watching football, the excitement, the emotions. It's my favourite part of the game (British commentators are also awesome, they have a way with words that is just brilliant)

My uncle got me interested in boxing recently, didn't care for it until two years ago. I liken it to dancing, I love dancing. to some extent, Cinderella man also helped me like boxing.

Basketball comes second to football for me, afrobasket got me hooked. The dunking is particularly awesome

I tried rugby, will simply never understand it. Just looks like a bunch of men on steroids running with a really tiny ball. How they run so fast with all that muscle is interesting though, and how their team mates lift them up

Swimming seems interesting mostly, but I only get to see them at Olympics...dunno why black people don't go for swimming.

Tennis I follow because of the Williams sisters and Federer. The atmosphere is quite boring to be honest, nothing like in football and basketball

There are a lot more, those are the ones that have stood out for me though....I like to know a little about everything however, so, that's my major motivation

TheSuperNerd give u super advise o. As u dey observe like hawk from sky. Another animal go carry d Fawo theough PM o.. Public post Na ur sky.

SIRmanjar:
Dis your kwote is too deep for a fine gel like u..still Observing you like a hawk in the sky..Nice talk anyways