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Islam › Re: Muslims: When Abraham Killed The Ram, Did He Eat It? by johnydon22(m): 10:04am On Sep 27, 2015
hahn:
Good morning fam

Our failed education system and economic hardships are to blame here. Unfortunately, religion is taught in schools as "truth". How can someone who learns in a biology class about the reproductive system and how it works but is also told that a certain human in a far away land was born without any semen introduced into the mother not end up confused?

Contradictory, conflicting and ancient knowledge is being passed to us and only a few have the opportunity of acquiring knowledge outside what is norm.

These are the issues that require attention.
Our government is not secular in fact we elect religious fanatics into power and this is so because more than 95% of Nigerians are religious.

What sort of nonsensical supreme state would recognize sharia law for some part of the state..

Nigeria first of all need to take out religion from government before it can be taken out of our education system..

Its only just a pity...
Science/Technology › Re: Rare Supermoon Eclipse Would Be Seen Today by johnydon22(m): 9:38am On Sep 27, 2015
Dekatron:
I am surely not sleeping tonight


I thought it was 28th...anyway am fvcking seating outside both today and tomorrow...i cant miss this natural wonder for anything...
Islam › Re: Muslims: When Abraham Killed The Ram, Did He Eat It? by johnydon22(m): 9:34am On Sep 27, 2015
dalaman:
The guy is completely crazy. He doesn't even know the bible as he claims, yet the deluded blowhard wants to go up againt the muslims accusing them of things his masters who invented his God idea engaged in. Hilarious.


I only wanted to teach him that the jews also eat sacrifices using the bible but he doesn't even want to learn. .
Islam › Re: Muslims: When Abraham Killed The Ram, Did He Eat It? by johnydon22(m): 9:09am On Sep 27, 2015
truthman2012:
The bolded is the truth. If it means He loves suya, so be it. What is wrong in loving what He loves?
truthman2012:
[size=20] He only loves the sweet smell of burnt animals [/size]
Just take all the time you need smiley
Islam › Re: Muslims: When Abraham Killed The Ram, Did He Eat It? by johnydon22(m): 9:05am On Sep 27, 2015
truthman2012:
You are making a serious mistake. For your info I am not on this forum to be praised or rated high if that is your problem. No. Am here to open muslims eyes to the deception of islam and I started it more than 40 years ago. So I don't argue for argument sake. I don't even care what you or anyone feels about me.
This is agreed but you are still missing the point...I have no business with what you and muslims are doing.

This is not an argument..

The point here is you think Judaism don't eat sacrifices and i want to teach you that they do using the bible so you can learn and know they do eat the offered animals or food.

Its not about what people feel about you, its about you knowing exactly what you were talking about..
Islam › Re: Muslims: When Abraham Killed The Ram, Did He Eat It? by johnydon22(m): 8:28am On Sep 27, 2015
truthman2012:
I don't need the bible teaching of an atheist, a backslider. Why would you teach anyone about something you don't believe in anymore?
Lmao. . Am not a backslider, i just don't subcribe to shiit anymore.

Anyway You asserted above that judaism don't eat sacrifices, i know it is not true and i want to teach you that they do eat it using the bible.

I do not need to believe in myth in order to show you the texts, we are discussing biblical texts here not belief..

You are not very bright because you should have been able to discern that showing you one or two verses in the bible is not same as believing.

Let me just hope you won't make that mistake again because it shows people around you haven't even the bible as much as you think you have...

Only wanted to help you so you don't go repeating it again....
Christianity Etc › Re: Feeding Of The 5000, Did It Actually Happened? by johnydon22(m): 8:22am On Sep 27, 2015
Pidggin:
I am on my way to church, will respond this later.
I will be waiting
Islam › Re: Muslims: When Abraham Killed The Ram, Did He Eat It? by johnydon22(m): 8:20am On Sep 27, 2015
truthman2012:
Does the true God (Yahweh) eat suya? [size=20]He only loves the sweet smell of burnt animals. Perceiving the smell is not the same as eating it.[/size]
Now i will like you to think about the bolded, take all the time you need..
Christianity Etc › Re: Feeding Of The 5000, Did It Actually Happened? by johnydon22(m): 8:11am On Sep 27, 2015
Pidggin:
@OP are u asking Christians or athiests? As a Christian my religion is based on faith, something an atheist will not have the privilege of understanding.
1st Op is a Christian. .
2nd we do understand faith far more than you do because we have once being there.
Faith simply means hold on to your convictions whether it is true or not...just believe it....Isn't that dishonesty?



Of cause it really happened, there's no logic behind my belief rather there's faith that it did.
See you have shown how faith is a dishonest position.

First you weren't there, only read it in a book.

2nd you recognize the tendency of the event happening is improbable and against reason or reality.

but then as someone with "Faith" you just have to believe it did..

Your Faith in anything doesn't make it true, it doesn't even make it probably true. .That you have faith that 5bread fed 5,000 and remained 12 baskets doesn't make this true.

That a muslim have faith that muhammed split the moon doesn't make it true..

So you see, you can have faith all you want, it has no effect on reality neither can it make a lie to become true..

Your faith simply means you believe something against reason, logic or coincide to reality...
Islam › Re: Muslims: When Abraham Killed The Ram, Did He Eat It? by johnydon22(m):
truthman2012:
Why do you read the bible when you have no faith in it?


Don't be too quick bob. . I was a christian, have read the bible many times and i studied in the seminary... so calm down..

That am atheistic now doesn't mean i cannot teach you the bible because frankly you haven't really read it that much

I know it is not from your study of the bible but what you searched on the subject, which is still subject to investigation as you have no biblical reference to support your claim.
I spent 6 formative years in seminary; you haven't studied the bible half of what i have studied. . Just tell me to teach you that they do eat it.

You don't really read the bible because if you did you would have known.

I have noticed over time that atheists are always in support of islam despite their claim that they do not believe in religion. Anyone who supports islam has the spirit of islam, ignorantly or knowingly. The Devil that makes them not to believe in God is also responsible for muslims believing in false god, allahh.

Maybe you have been under a rock or something....

I attack Islam on this forum, my post on this thread is against Islam and Christianity concerning Abraham.... No muslim even bothered quoting that post, but surely a christian would even though it was also against Islam..

https://www.nairaland.com/2501254/women-rights-islam
https://www.nairaland.com/2420021/islamic-sharia-death-sentence-kano
https://www.nairaland.com/2243457/justice
https://www.nairaland.com/2139311/pedophilialism-islam-sickening-atheist-view

these are just four of my thread against Islam and can count up to ten, not here to bring the links. . Please now stop playing the victims card because nobody is attacking anybody.

I only want to teach you that they eat sacrifices in Judaism from the bible itself. . is that an attack?
Islam › Re: Muslims: When Abraham Killed The Ram, Did He Eat It? by johnydon22(m): 11:41pm On Sep 26, 2015
malvisguy212:
okay Mr interlingent and wise atheists. How do life began on earth ? you can insult me as you like , no problem, maby you have parents and brothers who provide for you all your need , ( I don't know) I bet you , you are not man enough to pass through what I've experience,For God so kind , I am what I am today .
Aaaaw this is so touchy, i could give you a hug now. . .Oga you are simply derailing this thread. .This thread was about Abraham not your life's story.

What's my business with your life's story, you don't know mine neither am i going to tell you, so can we please focus on the topic of this thread and not life stories?

I am a science student before I drop out of school , I may not understand science as you do , but one thing for sure, science is not a strange subject to me.
Then start acting like it. . . For someone who claim to have a little background in science to dub scientists Satan(Myth) manipulated is plain absurd and is really shameful, don't you check your posts before posting them?...

How on earth do you expect me to know if you are an evolutionist or not ?
Then why on earth do you assume i was. .

Let me teach you one thing about arguments Malvisguy. . When you want to engage someone do not assume up information to use as a basis of attack because you will loose the argument even before it started.

You always throw assumptive assertions that are always unrelated to the topic and that is why you always sound ridiculous to most people..


if you are a kind atheist , you should simply say "am not evolutionist" then we continue our discussion.
There was no discussion in the first place..

1st you shouldn't have assumed i was an evolutionist..

2nd you shouldn't have brought up evolution in a thread that is totally about something else (Abraham)

3rd if you actually wanted a discussion you would have quoted me based on the topic and not assumptions dubbed satan's manipulation..


Anyway , thank but no thank from were you learn this bad moral behaviour.

Telling you your posts was dumb was a plain truth no matter how blunt it was.

Nobody on this forum would read it without agreeing to that fact. . .Next time read what you are about to post before posting..

Sorry tho if i was too blunt, just that the statement made me slap my fore-head.

Sorry again tho...
Culture › Re: Yorubas And Fulanis Are Isrealites (must Watch Video) by johnydon22(m): 11:17pm On Sep 26, 2015
macof:
I can't believe there are so many bastards and deranged fellows in thus world

See how bible studies has fried their brains. Yoruba history is now to be learnt from bible?

This is why we preach for the need to encourage our culture and traditions so children grow to know themselves and not be so empty that they resort to bible to fill in the gaps in their lack of identity

It's just a pity. . .Do you know sometimes when i see this imbecilic assertions i slap my fore head very hard in utter frustration.

Its amazing just how stup_id some people can get. . This is why i refute these absurd religious ideas, it has proven time and again to be dangerous to the development of a sane mind..

What can we do, we can only keep helping them the way we can.... When i hear my fellow igbos claiming isrealites, slapping apple out of someone's eyes just begin hungry me
Islam › Re: Muslims: When Abraham Killed The Ram, Did He Eat It? by johnydon22(m):
truthman2012:
In Judaism sacrifices are not eaten but burnt for God to perceive the smell.

No offence but you really haven't read the bible as much as you think. . .They do eat it but it must be that exact same day and some parts are given to the priests and his sons, only the inner parts of the meat is actually burnt as an offering to yahweh..

Unless it is a whole burnt offering (Tamid) is burnt whole. . the other 4 remaining types of sacrifices are eaten...

Would you like me to take you up on some bible schooling about that? wink
Islam › Re: Muslims: When Abraham Killed The Ram, Did He Eat It? by johnydon22(m):
malvisguy212:
but some people who are being manipulated by satan told you , you're from ape , and you believe without proof.
[b]Please am on my knees, stop doing yourself this in public am begging you.. embarassed

1st i am not an evolutionist because am sure that's what you are referring to.(In your desperation to pull out a defence, you had to assume i was an evolutionist even though the topic was abraham, Hhmm bad luck bob wink)

2nd you have no idea what is an ape, if swearing works i could swear on that.

3rd You don't even know what evolution is, i can bet on that.

4th you think scientists are being manipulated by your satan, it is obvious you need Mental evaluation..

5th you have no idea what science is at all...

Go back to school or stop reading apologetic articles and start reading books that can actually help you..

Congrats you just ended up disgracing yourself as usual, you know sometimes i can't help but be wowed that someone can be this dumb... This is very sad!!! embarassed really sad!!

Hahn you see why we really need to help these people, you see the dangerous effects of religious beliefs because am seeing it here.
Someone with a brain thinks Science is Satan's(Myth) manipulation and he is also using a phone...sorry to announce but your satan is a myth..

Why exactly has religion turned Nigerians into complete imbecile_s. . Plaetton was so right today, beliefs are retarding. . Just take a look at a being that is supposed to be from the 21st century..
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TV/Movies › Re: Avatar: The Legend Of Korra | Seven Havens by johnydon22(m): 8:02pm On Sep 26, 2015
pasqal09:
I'm not saying that toph isn't good. But Bumi isn't a walk in the park either.
I agree it will be a toph no i mean a tough match grin

But to be totally honest, The blind bandit is taking it. . . That girl handles metal like a piece of paper...DAMN. .
Christianity Etc › Re: Catholics Pls Can U Guys Tell Me What Is Going On? by johnydon22(m): 7:41pm On Sep 26, 2015
hahn:
I believe we should be speaking up against the failed education system in our nation. Most of the knowledge passed to the youths are archaic at best.
Seriously i studied in this fail education system too, even though i deh carry class for head am not this psychotic..undecided
Celebrities › Re: Denrele Edun Fell From Stage In Port-Harcourt by johnydon22(m): 7:23pm On Sep 26, 2015
this is so funny that i nearly put my garri inside wash hand water .. cheesy cheesy cheesy
Christianity Etc › Re: Catholics Pls Can U Guys Tell Me What Is Going On? by johnydon22(m): 7:15pm On Sep 26, 2015
hahn:
Please make you sure you refund all the money spent on your education to your parents or whoever was responsible for it.

It is obviously a waste
undecided
And people say i shouldn't speak up against religion. . .It has literally turned our youths into retards ..
TV/Movies › Re: Avatar: The Legend Of Korra | Seven Havens by johnydon22(m): 6:58pm On Sep 26, 2015
pasqal09:
Are you kidding me? huh
Nope Just acknowledging the awesomeness of the blind bandit...

I mean it is evidently clear "she was the best earth bender in the avatar world"..

In tophs voice to Master Wong and Shin fu after locking them up in a metal cage.
"I am the greatest earth bender in the world, don't you two knuckle heads ever forget that" grin
TV/Movies › Re: Avatar: The Legend Of Korra | Seven Havens by johnydon22(m): 6:49pm On Sep 26, 2015
nani667:
If we all are being truthful The crazy earth king remains he best and strongest earth bender..... We all saw what he was capable of.... So obviously he's better than Toph... Toph is an awesome bender, but the earth king is lé best.... He could do all that Toph could.... He listens to vibrations, just like Toph, and he can see, that's one thing he has over Toph..plus he's alot more experienced.... He's simply the best ✔


Seeing has nothing against toph in short from all we saw Toph sees more than someone with two eyes.

Bumi stands no chance against Toph, not in earth bending and Metal bending is out of the question.

Are you kidding me undecided This girl learnt from Badgers moles and beat the best earth benders in the earth kingdom before the age of 10 and not to talk of invented metal bending at that young age too.

Bumi couldn't even beat Aang when Aang got serious during their duel in the season 1... angry

Toph can earth bender as well as Badger moles, she has a powerful connection with the earth and not to talk of can metal bend more than any body that lives in the avatarverse.

Seriously the earth bending king stands no chance against that epitome of earth bending awesomeness.. Toph is just out of the world...

Politics › Re: After Blocking My Two FB Accounts, What Next APC? (snapshot) by johnydon22(m): 6:36pm On Sep 26, 2015
sonOfLucifer:
johnydon22.... just when you think religion is the greatest setback... grin
[b]Hahahahaha Politics in most cases works hand in hand with religion especially in Nigeria and Muslim countries.


Anyway for this issue of TonyeBarcanista he is simply out of line here, there is no way APC would block his facebook page for anything.

Some APC minions like the Jobless APC and PDP e-warriors we have here on NL might have sent him that message or might even be responsible for reporting his page on facebook.

I have seen the enmity they bear for each other and the resentment and many of them are on his facebook pages and might have sent him that message or reported his facebook page.

But blaming it on the Party APC is outright absurd and stupendously preposterous.
He is simply swimming in his self induced delusion, i am neither PDP or APC but i believe the party has far more better things to do than start blocking facebook pages of oppositions not one as little and unsung as Barcanista na. .
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There is always a reason why i choose to stay out of politics but i think i will soon resume writing political materials again..

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Hydra Of Religion by johnydon22(m): 2:14pm On Sep 26, 2015
plaetton:
I agree with everything said here, except your first statement about religion being an important part of human development.

The jury is out on that one.
I fail to see how a worldview built around irrationality can be of any value to human development.

Modern emperical research in cognitive psychology has shown that false beliefs and the cognitive dissonance that it causes is the greatest impediment to a full self-awareness.

All the claims that religion attributes to itself, morality, peace, love and harmony, have been found throughout history, to be false, contrived and at times, fraudulent.

Religion leaves human civilization with painful legacies and open sores of prejudice, bigotry, hatred, division and wars.

In modern day, a child that grows up believing in, talking to, and building a life around an invisible friend would be considered a maladjusted child with developmental problems.

And that, exactly, is the story of human civilization : The tragedy and consequences of growing up with invisible friends (and enemies if you include satan).
You are right my brother I agree with you on that but That assertion was misunderstood, One can never list out the stages of human development and take religion out of it.

Human history is buttered into thousands of beliefs and religions that stems from the unavailability of the answers man seek...

My statement means "In the stages of human development, Whether in a good or bad way religion was a huge part of it ...

We should not necessarily pay a blind eye to this fact....
Islam › Re: Muslims: When Abraham Killed The Ram, Did He Eat It? by johnydon22(m): 1:33pm On Sep 26, 2015
Abraham/Ibrahim a man who was ready to murder his son because some
voices in his head told him to.

Anyone who think it is right to revere such individuals who exhibit such
barbaric tendencies must be blatantly idiotic.

In the world today nobody will revere such persons who will almost kill their
Child because God said they should.

No in the world today that person would have been in prison for attempted
murder and psychiatric hospital for mental evaluation.

And the little child taken to a better place to recover from the shock and
trauma such disturbing event must have caused.…

But Alas an ancient books praised a man who exhibited such lunacy and
people created religions around him.... Many ways religion turns 21st century
being into complete simpletons

None of you deserve to criticize each other because apparently you all equally revere and celebrate a man who had the stomach to almost murder his Child...The man was really sick....
Christianity Etc › Re: Photo: Olumba Olumba Obu Consecrates 214 New Bishops And 2 Arch-bishops. by johnydon22(m): 1:24pm On Sep 26, 2015
And they had to copy the style of catholic priest. . they lack originality and creativity. .

they couldn't come up with their own style of clothing unique to them. . .thought the drunk old man Olumba Olumba is God and so should know everything..
Romance › Re: How To Know When A Girl Orgasms by johnydon22(m): 1:12pm On Sep 26, 2015
coltdolt:
I'm a lady. Thanks. Will forward to Oga
Oh crap...my bad...!!! didn't know...
Christianity Etc › Re: The Hydra Of Religion by johnydon22(m): 1:07pm On Sep 26, 2015
[b]Religion like i have always said is a very important aspect of human development, it helped and marred humans.

One of the disturbing traits of religion is that is makes people to be comfortable with not knowing.

It makes people to be contented with ignorance and kills the curiosity in the minds of people.

If this traits as above stuck with humanity we would still have been riding horses now and think Hurricanes are because the God neptune is pissed off at mankind.

Religion thrives on dogmas that should never be questioned but rather believed by Faith which basically means whether it is true or not.

If man believes things by "Faith" and not evidence i wonder the kind of simpletons humans would still be by now, wonder where our enquiries would have led us because nobody would ever act on them.

If anybody really thinks "Faith" should be the basis of deduction and conviction and not evidence then am afraid such minds are redundant to a society because such minds won't be open to new facts but rather are vulnerable to any dogma, whim or ludicrous coercion around.

I wonder how 21st century beings honestly think it is fine to believe a postulation on faith and not evidence or what some ancient book said or what some one told you that you must believe., this idea is as ludicrous as it is absurd.

Such convictions kills the curiosity in man and the drive to know and there will be no freedom of thought because a mind that thrives on faith will be caught by its faith into inconsistency and untruths because they will not be able to discard false assertions or beliefs when evidence against them comes along or possess rigidity of mind it takes to accept an assertion based on evidence that goes contrary to their conviction.

That is why knowledge always seem to be the greatest enemy of "Faith". Study do not aim to establish immutable truths or eternal unchanging and unquestionable dogmas.

No, study aims to approach the truth through successive approximations without claiming at any stage that final and complete accuracy has been achieved.

This we saw in the recent change of solar system members by the astronomical body, if science worked like religious dogma, they would maintain the planets are 9 and can never change even when further discoveries speaks contrary to this.

This is why you would see a religionist deny scientific facts in order to hold still to their convictions based on emotional tilt.

This is why i always maintained that i'd rather base my confidence on Reason, logic and study than base it on "Faith" which by definition is blind.

Clinging on stoic convictions of assertions that are laid out against reason and is supposed to be defended against reason. .

There is no reason to believe it at all if it is supposed to be believed by faith. . . None of us needs faith to know a STAR is there neither do we claim to feel a star in our heart and so it must be true.

Alas the Op menesheh is very correct, The religion of today is the myth of tomorrow. . Just a quick look down historical timeline affirms this..
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Romance › Re: How To Know When A Girl Orgasms by johnydon22(m):
forix4u:
Lover boy...OP pls tell dis guy to free me abeg abi him b gayhuh


Blood of Amadioha shocked Gay!!!....shocked

Ewooo **Runs out of thread** before this guy start looking at someone's ass ...You no go see me oo #Ghostmode grin
Romance › Re: How To Know When A Girl Orgasms by johnydon22(m): 12:39pm On Sep 26, 2015
coltdolt:
#BOSS
Care to help me out? Show me tips?
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First thing you need is patience, do not be the kind of man that just wants to get into the business immediately by penetrating.

Fore-play is the most important part of getting your woman ready, a girl's sexual needs are far more complex than ours.
So take your time on long lasting and hot fore-play and most importantly you have to know what your woman loves.

I recommend special emphasis on Neck kisses, nibbles and twirling of the tongue. .No lady can resist that.

Kissing the ear lobes, shoulders, toes, stomach, belly button.

Nipple sucking is very important but pay mind to her feedback to know if to apply a bit hard or softness while at it.

Lap kisses drives them wild, you may take your kisses through out her laps down to her inner laps almost brushing the honey pot but don't touch the honey pot. . that tease and anticipation literally gets them nuts.

Nipple pinches, if you are the type that is comfortable with eating the Coochie, you take your time on that and never forget to maintain soft pinches on the nips.

One finger first into the Vay and try to brush through the upper wall of the coochie . . . .Just take your time to please your woman.

Never you both be as silent as logs, communicate on your wants in bed and don't be too selfish not to let out rewarding groans and moans when she is riding or treating the D right..

Not an expert though, just my two scents from experience
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Christianity Etc › Re: Threatening Children With Hell.. by johnydon22(op): 12:08pm On Sep 26, 2015
mmsen:
Buddhist monks revert to and encourage violence when it suits them.

They are also prone to avarice in a manner reminiscent of the prosperity preachers and the upper hierarchy of the Catholic church.


This is correct, and this shows that Emotionally, mentally and physically we are all the same.

We each have the potential for great good or evil or to be overcome by disturbing emotions such as hate, anger, greed, jealousy and discrimination.

But if we cultivate loving kindness and compassion towards each other, we would learn to treat one another better and there will be no room for hate, anger or jealousy..
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by johnydon22(m): 11:52am On Sep 26, 2015
frank317:
Its tiring and worrisome. I really don't understand what's going on. How can someone argue strongly for ideas that obviously stem from assumptions?

The world is complex therefore it must have a creator. And this assumption suddenly becomes their reality to the extent they see anyone who does not agree with this assumption turned reality as unwise.

This assumption becomes so real that they starts percieving this being, they start talking to him and believing they are in a relationship. And they tell that to feel him, u must also assume he exist.

Yet we are taking about a supposedly intelligent and powerful being. How is it possible? How can this being beg to be believed. How can an intelligent being exist just in the brain if the believer? And wouldn't exist in the brain of an unbeliever he also created. How can his existence be all about assumptions?

What does this intelligent powerful being gain if I believe he exists. How does my believe in his existence change anything. Why is it important to someone who created this vast unimaginable universe that I believe in him?


You can imagine. . . .Nobody argues over the existence of the earth or believes it by faith, the earth's existence is sure and truer than true.

Now i wonder how people shamefully defend a supposedly existential entity who is supposed to be believed by faith.... For simple fact that it is believed by faith and not certainty speaks a lot about the factuality of such postulation..

If there really was such a thing nobody would be arguing over it just like non of us are arguing over the existence of stars or saying we feel a star exist in our heart... People don't always stop to think how absurd they sound sometimes..
Romance › Re: How To Know When A Girl Orgasms by johnydon22(m): 9:42am On Sep 26, 2015
forix4u:
Hehehehe....dis guy u funny sha. U don't need to spell it bold na. Well, if u want to get heart attack ontop making a woman cumme na u sabi ooo... D fact still remains, "weather u make her come or not, she will still cheat on u" period!
And you will not cheat?

First it is wrong to sterotype women that they must always cheat, after all nothing suggests you don't cheat more..

Her orgasm is as important as yours and you don't need to have a heart attack over making her Cuum.. you only need to know how to and it becomes too simple..
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by johnydon22(m): 9:39am On Sep 26, 2015
menesheh:
"God doesn't need a creator because he is eternal"

Where'd you hear that?

"The Bible!"

You mean that book with the talking animals in it?


Michael S.
You can imagine. . .Something that supposedly is super-complex doesn't need a creator.

But the universe is complex, ooh must need a creator. . .the funny part of this is this guys cannot even identify how the universe works neither do they know the physics and mathematics in the quantum field
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But they are banking on what illitrate ancient men who never knew we had other planers wrote... Can you imagine such blatant show of abject idiocy...

That's why sometimes i don't engage kids...

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