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richardenujeke: Oh my God like seriously are u ppl kiding me who crated this forum

Oluwaseun Osewa.

Chrisbenogor: David,
The creation story as described in the Bible is a myth.

prove it.

I might as well say:
The change of kind speculation described by the evolutionists is a myth, and an idiotic one at that, that only imaginative primary school children would tend to fancy and peddle.

Here's some evidence of the great flood from answersingenesis:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v3/n2/world-graveyard

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v3/n1/high-dry-sea-creatures

And how noah could fit in all the abimals:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab3/how-could-animals-fit-on-ark

G'day Mynd.

Here's a nice thread for frontpage:

https://www.nairaland.com/1576713/how-large-noahs-ark#up

dominique: lol, I've thought about it myself. how did he fit in all the animals in an ark in pairs. most of the animals alive today were not in existence back then. evolution occurred and one animal re-evelved to about 10 different species. that's the only scientific explanation i can give for it.

as you can see from the original post, the ark was very large, and the bible specifically records he was asked to take a pair(or seven pairs) of each kind of animals, not each species. Those would then repopulate the earth and speciate and evolve as they adapt to the new climate.

Genesis 7:2 Take with you seven pairs of each kind of ritually clean animal, but only one pair of each kind of unclean animal. 3 Take also seven pairs of each kind of bird. Do this so that every kind of animal and bird will be kept alive to reproduce again on the earth.

mazaje: According to the bible the flood happened about 6000 years ago, pretty most of the species available on earth existed at that time. . .

nope. Do you know how many species arise everyday? I disagree. And even if it was so, remember that the bibilical records specifically stated he take a pair(or seven pairs) of each kind of animal, and not each species. We can rightly conclude that the terrestrials that survived the flood in the ark gave rise to the different species we see today.

mazaje: the earths landscape wasn't different 6000 years ago. . .Mount Everist alone is over 60 million years old according to scientific dating. . .The mythical flood did not create any ajor mountain any where. . .Most of the major mountains are millions of years old according to scientist. . .I told you in another thread that people were living and writing their own histories in places like china, india, egypt and south america uninterupted 6000 years ago. . .There is no evidence what so ever to show that the earth was once flooded, its just a jewish myth and fairy tale,

I meant the massive deposits of the flood raised landscapes and buried populations of organisms alive. raised landscape, and I disagree. Scientific dating is very fallible and prone to the bias of the gradual earth scientists, and contamination and even does not consider the rapid decay of the earths magnetic field. There is massive evidence all around us for a global flood. From scarred landscape only possible as a result of very massive corrosive effect of extremely fast moving water, to the millions and millions of fossils we see, to the fact that there are fossils of both terrestrials and aquatic animals rapidly buried alive together(what would a possum be doing fossilized beside a whale?, some animals buried so quickly in sand that they were on the verge of eating a meal, or giving birth, to the fossils of aquatic animals in very high altitudes etc. There is too much evidence of the flood, the global flood. The world's a graveyard.

mazaje: and many christians know this and are now saying that the flood was a local flood and not a global one. . .There is NO evidence for a global flood any where. ..

in addition to my reply above, the christians don't know any better. Most civilizations have ancient legends and tales of a flood, they are corrupt accounts passed down orally. There is too much evidence for us.

mazaje: Continents were formed very long ago and not 6000 years ago. . .

continents would have been different if an ancient cataclysmic event that caused underground crust-shiftings and magma eruptions happened 6000 years ago. Modern creationists do not claim it is allegory, not all of them, we claim it is real, the evidence of fossils and such is hard to ignore.

oluafolabi: This question is putting the bible in a very tight corner though.
1) If there is no explanation for how thousands of animal species including microorganisms stayed aboard that small ship then it could imply that the story was just a jewish myth.
2) If the story is a Jewish myth, then it implies that the bible does not contain 100% true stories.
3) If a myth such as this is in the bible, how can we prove the efficacy of other stories?
4) Did the good 'creator' create another set of animals after the flood?
I'm suspicious though.
Why would OlaAdegbu want to put himself and the 'holy book' in a tight corner like this?

sorry, but we're undeterred. A scientific examination of facts will reveal that there is more than enough evidence of a global cataclysmic flood event.

jayriginal: @ mantra, I believe the de-bigulation and re-bigulation was done by Professor Frink
As for Josh, kindly give it up. Even Olaadegbu knows better than to come back here.

don't worry, you'll soon see him.

mantraa: In answer to your questions,
All the animals were teleported to the ark location just before the flood and then teleported back to their original locations around the globe after the event.

To fit on the ark, all the animals were debigulated to a tiny fraction of their size, then re-bigulated when the flood was over, including some of the less sinful dinosaurs.

To account for the food and waste issues, all the animals were put in a state of suspended animation, this included all the salt water / fresh water fishes, whales, cretaceans, turtles and dolphins.

To account for the altitude and lack of oxygen, god created more oxygen for the planet so they could breathe and stay alive.

When the flood subsided, god siphened the water off the planet into space, creating the frozen ice asteroid belt and kuiper belt in the solar system.

Then he fixed the soil and hyper accelerated the growth of plants so that a dove will find a tree to indicate that land was nearby.

Remember that Yahweh is omnipotent, there is nothing he cannot do to make his ingenious and omniscient plan work.

joker. You will not be taken seriously.

Evil Brain: The numbers I quoted refer to the species alive today. If they weren't all admitted to the ark, then how did they survive?

all of them were not needed, only a token of them were needed, as the record states, for continuance and reproduction. Again, we must understand that there must have been much fewer species then than there are now, so the ark would have been convenient.

Evil Brain: And no, the saltwater fish could not have survived. Very few fish species can survive such drastic changes in salinity. The vast majority would have died long before all the land was covered.

okay.

Evil Brain: I noticed that you didn't address the fact that there simply isn't enough space for even a tiny fraction of those animals to fit on the ark as described in the bible. Even a hundred arks couldnt have fit all the food (and shït) they would have gone through in a month, not to talk of a year.

my first response tackles this issue.

Evil Brain: Also there's the altitude problem. And the post deluge food problem. And the problem of which one of Noah's family members was HIV positive.

well, the landscape was very different then. The bible records that the fountains of the deep were opened, so we can conclude that the resulting volcanic eruptions and deposits are what raised the land and created major mountains during the post-flood era. This is just guessing shaa. It seems a good guess to me. What do you think(I hope you're not just trying to mock here, we're examining possibilities). The climate change caused by the flood is said to be responsible for the extinction of a number of species. And HIV wasn't around then. Nawa for you o.

Evil Brain: I didn't even ask how all the animals only found on isolated islands and continents (like kangaroos, ostriches, lemurs and the various species of giant tortoises) managed to find their way to the middle east to climb into the ark. Did they swim across the oceans? Did they swim back after the flood? And how come kangaroos and lemurs didn't leave a single descendant behind in Eurasia or Africa during their long walk/swim back to Australia/Madagascar? You'd think you'd find every class of animal living around the area where the ark landed instead of species being geographically isolated the way they are.

there's a possibility the cataclysm was responsible for the major break-up of the continents. The records state that the animals came, maybe the landscape was much different then.
Nice question.

Evil Brain: Like I said before, I'm not doubting the story. The Bible is obviously 100% correct in every way. I just want to clear up a few grey areas.

stop mocking. Yes, the bible is taken to be very correct and reliable, that is my position.

^^^

He does.

And not all insects were admitted into the ark mind you.

If you can mannage to not lalala and examine this noah and the ark story even scientifically, you'll realize its remarkable.

And only terrestrials were admitted. Some fish would have survived though. Majority of the rest would be covered in sand and silt washed suddenly upon them.

Majority of lifeforms would fossilize, majority of the land would be scarred by the moving waters.

Mintayo: Goats can eat anything nw,even biscuits,paper,etc...maybe that is why they v four stomachs..

An0nimus: nne goat dey and goat dey. some are more equal than the others

ARareGem: Na kpomo you dey call 'even'?? Abeg, nor go there o.









#Belches.
The Lord is truly good.
#Nods head

Abeg my stomach don dey tear ooo.

I shall not die but live to testify Gods goodness. Una no go use laugh wound peson abeg.

vickyO: I ate something similar this evening...

Pounded yam and egusi, that's why I made a request for a lighter food which you refused to give me and Sal C.

I took pounded yam and egusi yesterday. I grilled chicken in open fire today, with fried rice. Chai. Enjoyment!

An0nimus: goat na omnivores o

. I remember one goat wey give us enough trouble for village one christmas. Chei.

What a stubborn goat. Smh. Na my small cousin wey show am pepper.

Sal C: Goat dey chop biscuit?

yeh!

You never see goat wey chop biscuit before? Chei.



Come to my village and see them in abundance.

dagr8: correct man...enjoy it below

ARareGem: See e-dining. We thank the Lord for provision.

I finished watching The Encounter: Paradise Lost some minutes ago. Very nice christian film.

Sal C: Anything from the brother, even if na kpomo

lwtmb

An0nimus: *passing cabin around and singing*

Some have food but cannot eat...
Some can eat but have no food...
we have food and we can eat...

er what's the last line again?

abeg drop that cabin give us akpu and egusi soup may we chop. What do you mean?

See the gathering of people of valour and we're eating cabin and groundnuts like ordinary goats.

@Vicky: its a serious matter o. I wonder why people will keep praying the same prayer even when it clearly is not being answered.

I believe God answers prayers o. If something is wrong, I will inquire and not keep repeating the same thing like a mad man.

An0nimus: Happy new year Pastor Josh and Mintayo

same to you oo bros.

mazaje: Which world are you talking about?. . .Which world?. . .Do people in other parts of the world that do not believe in god not forgive each other. . .Nigeria is one of the most religious country in the world, how has the belief in Jesus made Nigerians better people?. . .I have told you that despite you endless rants about man's corrupt nature and how we need Jesus, there are many muslims, atheist, hindus, taioist etc that are much better human beings than you. . .Quite this nonsense pls. . .

sorry, as I have said before in another thread, people follow the christian religion without subscribing to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Those who do change others. There is a radical life change involved in christianity. Testimonies in real life bear witness. Go and tell that to the people who quit school after forging their results when they became christians, or the policemen who stopped taking bribes after they got born-again.

Wow! I like where this is going then.

mazaje: Fine tuning for what?. . .When I look at the universe I see chaos, colliding planets, asteriods, galazxies eating up each others, galaxies expanding into space. . .Distruction etc. . .What are all the vast solar systems out there fine tuned for?. . .

nawa o. Oga mazaje, na so you dey tok so? Chei. The universe is on pin-head order. What do you mean by galaxies eating each other? Chaos? What the heck? Sorry, but if you shift the order of the universe just by an infinitessimal amount, conscious life would not exist. That's right, the universe is fine-tuned for the kind of conscious life we see. There is an impetus you see. There must be conscious intelligence at work. We take this intelligence at the most universal and fundamental level to be God.

mazaje: Diseases sometimes go into remission on their own with out any drug, it happens to many people irrespective of faith. . .Many chose to ascribe it to god and claim it as an example of healing. . .Divine healing does not work, if it does christians will not be visiting hospitals. . .After all the bible recommends that people go to their church elders to be prayed for when they are sick. . .Many of those that have tired it ended up dead, i know some here in Nigeria that tried it and died, others tried it their conditions got worse and they ran to various hospitals. . .If you can provide a good evidence of divine healing, a clear cut evidence like god healing amputees then I will believe. . .Telling me about testimonies will not fly because it is a fact that people tell lies to promote their religions ALL OF THE TIME. . .I will not accept and bogus testimony. . .If the bible is true, you should be able to heal amputees because Jesus promised those of you that believe in him the ability to perform greater wonders that what was written about him. . .

you see what I'd about you writing off enormous witnesses because of your dogmatic position? So because men are known for telling lies, the truth is not known? What will I gain lying to you, when I vehemently assert that healing, God-healing is real and available to those who believe. I have been healed, and I know people who have been healed. I know of cases of the blind healed, sight restored, genuine cases of men not trying to exploit others, but attracting people to the gospel through supernatural signs.

mazaje: I have never stated that chance created the universe, my position is no body knows, the religionist and the scientist are all guessing. . .No one ones how the universe came about, what or who is responsible for it, we can just keep putting out our ideas, but the reality is that no one truly knows. . .I don't know and that is my position. . .If you claim you know then provide objective evidence, after all extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence. . .

so which kind of evidence do you seek? Scientific evidence? You do know scientific evidence is not extra-ordinary and can never prove God?

Super-natural evidence? Remain open minded. God might just visit you. If you claim you don't know the answer, then what right have you to reject the ones proffered by others so vehemently? Especially the ones about God.

If God does visit you in a unique way, accept him then. As I have, as others have.

Femmymata2: I doubt if the belief in various GODst by different people in the world have made it a better place. Without money Man feels hopeless same with God, but man created Money and God

belief in Jesus Christ and walking in his word has made the world a much better place, has enabled people to hope and forgive.

But man will always have a corrupt nature, and to blame religion for this is stupidity.

Ishilove: Forty is too much for pete's sake. Why focus so much on the devil and it's activities? Instead focus on the word and use that word to become invincible.

There's a way you pray that your prayer becomes mere empty words because your spirit man is fed

I support ma'am.


Most of the prayers christians pray today are empty words dominated by fear and not faith...


The truth sets us free, not keeps us in bondage to always casting and binding and casting and binding a cockroach that falls on your head at night. Chai.
(I don't say there's never a case to stand on. The authority of Jesus' name)

vickyO:

You guys will not kill me this night...

Femmymata2: This should be easy for anybody to fathom. By löoking around its obvious that man created many Gods for the purpose of worship,protectiön,hope, explaining phenmenons e.t.c NO GOD CAN TALK,MOVE,ACT WITHOUT THE Aiding of MAN Who created it. WITHOUT ISRAELITES THERE IS NO HEBREW GOD, WITHOUT ARAB THERE IS NO ALLAH,without The YORUBA'S THERE IS NO ODUDUWA,SANGO,OYA E.T.C. But like they say, Religion is the OPIUM OF THE PEOPLE

stupidity is the opium of the people. That and human nature. Infact, atheism will only make things worse in nigeria, seeing as they subscribe to no moral basis.

mazaje: You fail to get the main point. . .There are many different god ideas and concept because god is a man made idea that is why there are many different gods, goddesses and religions, get that. . .Both the real naira and counterfiet naira and both human creations and that is my point. . .All gods are man made including yours. . .God remains a human conception and human idea, end of story. . .

no actually. Reasonable men look at the universe and its fine tuning and understand there is a God, and a conscious one at that. You are the one living in a false concept that you have to greatly fuel and restate to yourself to uphold.

Just look at how convicted you are in your thinking, to dismiss all cases of healing because of a case of non-healing, to dismiss every case of a revelation or the supernatural and all such stuff just to favour your dogmatic convictions. Suit yourself then. Reasonable people don't have time or energy to accept that position.

You look at hypocrisy and deny faithfulness, you look at design and blame chance.

I'm speaking generally rationalmind. Not directly to you abeg. Before you begin to dey attack me now.

rationalmind: Lol, no worry ehn. Just stay your texas dey flex. you might just do a little study on unemployment rate in nigeria.

People who studied good professional courses are yet to get Jobs, you are talking of soil and crop science.

You might want to talk of being independent. That might depend on capital, business sense (which not everyone has) and a whole lot of things.

And you also talked about who needs to eat.

Don't worry about that, we will always have farmers who provide us with what to eat. What do crop and soil scientists in the nation contribute to what we eat? NOTHING

They are in the banks working as cashiers.

lol. Nigeria is still the same. Nigerians are still the same. Whether they're religious or irreligious.

This is the thinking of a typical nigerian. You gotta think outside the box mehn.

The reason we don't have enough local food today in their different strengths and varieties is because the crop scientists are not so large and are not doing their work well. Research has been abandoned. Go to the U.S, and see enough cheap food there in different varieties, all locally available.


I understand your point and position. I understand this country is unfavourable, I am a Nigerian meself, but you gotta get up and think outside the box for petes sake.
Crop science might just be one of the best things to read these days. Infact, I have determined to invest in agriculture in the future. And when the crop scientist will do his research and give me more tolerant and productive species of crop, I will only be more blessed.


Remember, with God, nothing is impossible.

Move against the storm, in the end, your victory will taste better.

Kay 17: Some times conviction is like a virus. You are too unwilling to look beyond your perspective and convictions.

as are you. You can't blame him when you're guilty of the same thing.

texanomaly: hmmm...Nigerians don't like to eat?

ma'am. When a Nigerian chooses a course, he does not just examine his interests, he examines the money involved, how he can make a living in the future, future job prospects, etc. Unfortunately, nigeria does not have enough job oppourtunities for the graduates of courses like that, even more frustrating is the fact that nigerians are primarily interested in oil money, they want It large, most people are greedy

I always try to tell people that they can start on their own and make names for themselves and oppourtunities for others if they stick to what they do best, but unfortunately they do not really listen, and I seem hypocritical since I myself am a medical student.

Go to any highschool in nigeria and see over 1/2 of the graduating students vying for medicine, and the remaining going for engineering and pharmacy etc. No "minor courses" are chosen. The only reason people actually study the minor courses are because they are forced to do so after languishing at home because they are denied the course of their choice.(Take rationalmind for example)


People need to learn that they can make a difference for themselves if they work hard and trust God (volumes).

mazaje: Humans produce books that we all know. . .The universe is not a human society. . .By the way which god created the universe, definitely not the god of the bible because his creation story in the book of genesis is a joke. . .



The universe was created by the pantheon of hindu gods lead by the goddes shiva . .



Just show us that your god exist by doing what he promised you, that is doing greater things than he was written to have done by healing an amputee, remember in the story he just did it and the person he healed was an unbeliever(roman soldier). . .Do that already and stop copying and pasting gibberish. . .

I believe I have said something of this manner to you before:


How many years will it take you to see the foolishness of your argument? You try to debunk God by stating that there are many different concepts of the nature of God?

That's as reasonable as saying there is no real naira because counterfeits flood the market.

And when a theist speak of God and of his attributes, he might be adressing the universal fact of the creator.

You delude yourself, that's why the bible treats you dismissively as a fool.

Abortion is the unlawful killing of a child. The case above is extreme and should not be among the considerations of this discourse.

Do you know the probability of this cases happening? They are very rare.


Check that with the amo of legal abortions in the States alone.

Over 53 million babies have been killed.

We should be ashamed of ourselves.
It is when foolishness takes preeminence over morality that we have thinkers who would deliberately reach forth into the safes place on earth and terminate innocent life therein.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]Yes it does. The child is not yet fully developed into a "human".[/quote]when is a human a human? When it is fully developed? Or when it is concieved? Even todlers are not yet fully developed yet.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]The child has no sense of fault, or no properly developed emotions or attachment yet.[/quote]people suffering from down's syndrome are not human then. Mad people are not human then.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]Whereas the mother is fully developed in all these aspects.[/quote]the child is a developing human being. We do not kill a child if it not yet fullly developed. That is cold-blooded murder.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]It is not the mothers fault to bear the child of one who has r.aped and dishonored her![/quote]it is not the childs fault to die because of the one who raped its mother.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]It is not the mothers fault to spend time and effort on a child she never wanted and asked for in the first place![/quote]yes it is not, but the child is a human being. She can give him to a orphanage, we value human life. Soldiers in combat move to carry their wounded men. Even those who have lost all limbs in an explosion. They even move to carry the corpse of their comrades. [b]they value human life

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]It is not the mothers fault to look after a persons child who attacked her![/b][/quote]she musn't. She can easily give the child to foster parents or an orphanage. No need to kill the child because of the incoveniences of carrying it. Do you realize what the ending of life is? Do you value human life?

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]Who are you to decide what is lawful or unlawful?[/quote]THou shalt not murder. If there is no standard for what is lawful in society, we'd have chaos. I rely on the 10 commandments.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]The killing of such a child is justifiable in every sense.[/quote]the killing of anyone taken to be underdeveloped or indisposed, especially an innocent child, is unjustified and should not be cordoned by anyone.





[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]The child is not really a child but a half formed human being. The child is not really paying for anything. The child has no sense of "paying" yet.[/quote]so because he is half-formed he is not a human being? How do you prove this? This is a [b]blatant lie from you. Just because the child has no sense of paying, we should kill it?

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]You are selfish. so that gives you the right to r.ape people and plant your seed everywhere in the secure knowledge that it will survive You are the selfish one![/quote]what are you saying? Stop lashing out in butthurt and ad hominems and red herrings and tackle the issue at hand. The man has done wrong. The child must not be killed for the mans wrong-doing. There is a child here. It is no longer what the woman wants or does, she is not the only one. The child is alive. A human being developing within her. We cannot easily dismiss his life and murder it.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]Why should someone else bear YOUR child for YOUR crime?![/quote]why should the child die for its fathers crimes?

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]HOW DARE YOU CALL THE MOTHER SELFISH?[/quote]she acts for her interests alone, forgetting there is a child, a human being growing within her. I know its a burden, but she should be ready to bear it, she should value human life.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]SHE NEVER ASKED FOR THE CHILD?[/quote]the child is there all the same. Things happen, doesn't mean we should kill an innocent baby just because something goes wrong


[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]TUFIAKWA!

CAVEMAN!"

I AM DISGUSTED! [/quote]butthurt and ad hominem. What should disgust you is the taking of the life of an innocent baby for circumstances that it has no play in. Go to an abortion clinic and you'll be truly disgusted.

rationalmind: Thank you so much bro. Just that hard work brings success not God.

And I school in the University of Benin. The best and greatest in the country

best and greatest I hear.


People have worked hard in vain man... Best of luck then.

Smith wigglesworth and co.