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macof: call it Olodumare, Olorun, Olofin, Eledua, Eda-aye, Oluwa, Olu-Orun it's all the same being in Yoruba paganism

is it "being" now? Or is it still energy?

So the supreme God is a conscious being?

Kay 17: Joshthefirst

Iwas not talking about hybridization. You said earlier that animals reproduce offsprings of their kind. You admitted there can be a number of species within a kind. Hence I'm tempted to ask: can an animal from a specie reproduce an offspring of a different specie but of the same kind. Example, a chicken having an eagle as its offspring WITHOUT hybridization.

Chicken-eagle direct offspring reproduction is ridiculous na. What I meant is that speciation occurs, but speciation is on the boundaries of kind and cannot overrun that boundary.

What I meant is that no matter the variation or adaptation or speciation a kind-group of organisms undergo, they will still remain under the said kind group; birds will remain birds, toads will remain toads. It is ridiculous to assume that kinds change over the years.

Logicboy03: Muskeeto and I know what is to be done. You are just doing bravado out of ignorance. You want to be the righteous martyr at all costs

what is this?

Muskeeto clearly said nothing can be done.

I said we can stand and tell people to stand and sacrifice and both of you said I was naïve and didn't know anything. You even suggested I might be poor that's why I'm speaking like this.
Please its enough.

Persection means suffering for doing what is right. And it inspires change. If we are not prepared to face the evil in this country at all costs, we might as well join in the corruption spree.

texanomaly: I should have gone to been hours ago. I can't imagine why I stayed up to watch this. It's funny how you are all willing to fight one another, but are not willing to fight for you rights as Nigerian citizens. As long as you are busy fighting each other, corruption will go unchecked. Divide and concour is a strategy that works every time. Smh

ma'am. I am not trying to fight them. And can't you see they aren't prepared to fight against anything? I have said I am prepared to sacrifice, and they go ahead and tell me I'm naïve and insult me. When I tell him he's wrong and should drop that his mentality, he says I'm insulting his character and storms out.

My words remain. And their words of cowardice and hypocrisy have confirmed them.

macof: Olorun is a characteristic representation of Olodumare/Eledua.
Another one is Olofin

Olorun doesn't mean "God". Because all higher forces are Gods.

Olorun means "owner of the spiritual realm" he rules the sky and owns the Sun- which provides Energy needed for life on earth.

He is the supreme being and father of All.
Another aspect of Olodumare is Olofin meaning "owner of the law"

The law of the universe, all conscious activities are controlled by Olofin who provides limits and protects the Universe from disorder

so olofin is the supreme being? Good. Thank you.

Logicboy03: He that is down fears no fall.

you sound like a guy who has few luxuries in life. It is easy to sacrifice when you have nothing to lose. After all, your mentor, Jesus, sacrificed a useless life of carpentry and penniless preaching for luxury in heaven...,,

very nice. When people are pushed in a corner, their words show who they truly are. Your words have shown who you truly are right here. People will see it and judge for themselves. When you're up, you should engage in corrupt practices to shield your social and material status?

Thank God I am not like you. I'd rather be truly poor than have this hellish mentality.

You do not know who I truly am, but I can tell you that whether I'm rich or poor means nothing. I count it as nothing. I'll keep to christ. He is my life. He sacrifices heaven and became a man, he came ddown from heaven and became the son of a carpenter to make people able to enter heaven. He taught selflessness and sacrifice and acted it down. His was the greatest. You fickle words have just helped in building me up though. It has helped me seee that behind all your nonsense rantings, you're just like all men. And you need Christ. We need christ to teach us selflessness and righteousness. Without him, chaos will reign. I'm done here. Thank you.

aManFromMars: Our humble crusader of peace and accountability, pls go in and cut no corners. Remain squeaky clean.




We shall remember you as a man of integrity at your graveside whose rantings bore no results.

you are mistaken. Sacrifice always yields fruit and bears results. Even jesus recognized that. He said: if a corn does not fall to the ground and die, it shall not bear fruit, but if it dies, it shall grow and bear much fruit.

Tell me the religion that teaches sacrifice and the people who are prepared to suffer for it then. If not, shut up. From the words you have spoken, you know nothing about self sacrifice. When you go out and start preaching atheism and speaking publicly about the harmful effects of religious hypocrisy at the cost of leaving your comfort zone, you can talk.

aManFromMars: Honestly, you need to stop attacking people's character. I do not enjoy it. Why not keep your silly comments to yourself?

If you misunderstood my comments, why not ask me to explain them to you? Ask the people at my church how much I put into training them free of charge. Y'all just come here and make noise and rants because you have never walked the walk. The experience would humble you if you have. Corruption is embroiled in the Nigerian fabric, it doesn't matter if you're a Christian or not. Let me not start detailing experiences I had with a sound manager while trying to get contracts from Winners Chapel and RCCG.

Enjoy being silly and living in that delusion you call TRUE CHRISTIANITY.

nonsense. After saying nothing can be done you go ahead and start boastng about self achievements. When you become noble in character to practice selflessness and sacrifice, you'll realize that it bears fruit. You're just contradicting yourself. I am not trying to be offensive, but the only way nigeria can change is if people will drop this your 'convenience' mentality and stand up for what is right against pressure.

I tell you that and you say it is not possible and nothing can be done and sacrifice will get us nowhere. I beg to differ.

aManFromMars: JoshTheFirst
- are your willing to kill corrupt government officials who have been tried and convicted by a competent court?
- what if they happen to be your family members? Your dad, mom, brother?

I do not understand your first question.

To the second I say what Jesus said:

If you do not prefer me above your mother or your father or sister or brothers or loved ones, you are not worthy to be called my disciple.

-Jesus Christ
Luke 14:25-27

I am prepared to sacrifice all for Christ.

Logicboy03: Christian blowhards like you can't improve Nigeria.

Remember that you and some of christian gals said that it is impossible to run a non corrupt business in present day Nigeria- which is clearly impossible. An entity immersed in a corrupt system can not claim that it is not corrupt.


You people are dishonest about yourselves and Nigeria's problems

aManFromMars: It's an anonymous forum, what else can I say?

Both of you are now truly honest to yourselves.

And this is why I will never subscribe to atheism. Because its all talk and no play. Its not prepared to sacrifice and give a solution to mans problems.

You're like others I know. Not prepared to suffer or stand for what is right.
You need Jesus Christ.

It is possible to run a non-corrupt business in nigeria. And I am fully prepared to lose my business because I refuse to indulge in non-corrupt practices. I am prepared to suffer for what is right, and I actually do so. I will not cheat in exams even when the whole hall is paying the invigilators. I will not grease a lecturers palms. I will not grease a police mans palms.

This is when christianity shines. When men are inspired to change, to embrace christ; when others suffer for it. Suffer for doing good.

Thank you for your honesty.

I know a man in his 70's now. He has a wife and grown up children. He is a mentor and a father to me. He is simple. He has no car. He lives in a small house. He is not rich. But he was a high official in the central bank of nigeria. But he was sacked for refusing to engage in corrupt practices. He was one of the pioneers of scripture union here. He still does not even receive his pension. He suffered and still suffers for standing against evil. I am prepared to be that man.

This is christianity. Those are the testimonies we speak to ourselves when we gather for fellowship.

I'm sorry, but against all odds and threats, I will stand for Christ. Because I am a christian. I have the real deal.

And I will not indulge in hypocrisy

aManFromMars: Broken bones will heal. A broken mind, who can?

Safe journey bro. Understand the dynamics of the game you're playing. Gandhi and Mandela survived because of the benevolence of their oppressors. If our leaders turned white tomorrow, what we term corruption would be known as racism. Some villages in the Niger Delta remain underdeveloped because some earn from keeping it so. The same chairman that steals the local government money uses it to build a church for the people and they all go in to worship with him, it doesn't matter that the road to the church is all dusty and bumpy.

and this matters how? Do you not know what hypocrisy is?

Are you as an atheist prepared to even stand for what is right? No. You hide around online and practice the same hypocrisy you complain about.
Shame on you for not deciding to stand against evil.

And how many times will it be drummed on that christianity is not about dainty words but about repentance from sin. I cannot say do not lie and steal and covet, and go ahead and lie and steal and covet when I am presurrized in any position.

You don't need to be a christian to sacrifice, but you and others I have spoken with always show that you should.

I give an example with true christianity because it is the most noble I know.

Persecution is suffering for doing good. I have countless testimonies of people around me, christians like myself, who have suffered for doing good.

aManFromMars: And he fails to see the problem comments like this create. I'm not going down this path with you. Enjoy.


Gandhi wasn't a Christian, btw. But OBJ and GEJ are.

did you not see "even others" there?

And the reason I major on christianity is because that is what christianity really teaches. Sacrifice and righteousness no matter the cost. It is the moral standard of the bible that shaped great nations.

But anyone can sacrifice. Anyone who is prepared will make a stand. I can see you will not.

aManFromMars: JoshTheFirst, I laugh at you because you do not realize the enormity of the situation at hand. You sound noble and confident, but your naivety will get the better of you.

If you ever get the opportunity to be involved in the oil sector, maybe visit the rigs and creeks in the Niger delta, I'm quite sure your opinions will change. You do not know how much people make from that sector and how far they are willing to go to guard it.

don't worry, I've been told this several times. As I said, I'm prepared to stand. I'm prepared to sacrifice. What you say does not matter, acts matter.

vickyO: The most popular word in Nigeria should be corruption.
it will take a lot to rid this cankerworm off our nation.
the youths are already corrupt.
paying to gain admission, to get a job, to get a promotion,e.t.c.
We need a revolution. But the thing is everyone is scared.
Just read about all those who tried to change things, did they gain the support of the people? Did they end well? Was their mission accomplished?
Nigeria needs extremists and most of us aren't...

I am not afraid. I am a christian. God demands sacrifice and righteousness from me. God causes change.

Extremism will only harm more people. Sacrifice through words and acts will change things.

In any position, I will remain upright. In any position(and even from the pulpit), I will speak against corruption and exploitation.

Christianity is about radical life change and sacrifice, not dancing around speaking bible verses and not acting them out no matter the cost.

aManFromMars: Nothing. Absolutely nothing. People have too much to lose if there is a change in the system. At least, there is a semblance of order in the system. Introduce chaos(revolution, imprisonment of corrupt officials) into a system already struggling with deep religious and tribal tensions and it would lead to anarchy. People are waiting to make profit if such happens.


Kill the thieving politicians - easier said than done, that's why most activists are on twitter and facebook. Talking the talk is much easier and safer.

people like you should do nothing. Christians(and even others) who are ready for sacrifice will keep a stand. We are fearless. We stand for uprightness and righteousness. Its what Christ does in our lives. We are the real deal. Ready to be unsafe and face difficultu in standing for truth. People like real disciples of christ will cause radical life change in nigeria.

aManFromMars: I'm doing my own bit. Complaining is not my thing. That's why I'm rarely on the politics section. All humans must survive, and when survival is the aim, we are naturally inclined to cut corners if there are no retributions. That's why people like JoshTheFirst who claims to be steadfast and resolute are simply setting themselves up for an early death or extreme poverty.

see what I said by people need to change? Its when you are prepared to face all that things will change. Sacrifice. Without that, people like you wiLl just exploit others when given any ounce of authority. I'm prepared to speak against evil and stand against corruption at all levels. Even if I suffer for it.

If people don't have that mindset, things will never change. Luckily for us, things are changing and people like me are increasing.

texanomaly: "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world."
Abraham Lincoln

vickyO: Elections here are never free and fair...
and we can't easily get rid of them, boko haram might do the trick though..

elections are becoming free and fair.
The people are beginning to have their say.

Nigerians are becoming restless and tired of being exploited.

The fact is that the very people we might hope will change the situation once we rise to power will most probably be the guys to continue the corrupt activities.


Nigeria needs men to change. All people at all levels need to change. The very people who complain are the people who will steal when given any kind of authority, from school prefect to sug president to local government chairman.

aManFromMars: And Nigeria makes enough money from oil to spend on quality education and also finance a space program.

nigeria already has a space program.

texanomaly: Where are the Mods? Y'all are derailing this thread every which way there is...

sorry ma'am

Mr Troll: Josh, is a crocodile a reptile or an amphibian?

furthermore, have you gone through the link I gave you?

went through some of the link. A croc is a reptile.

Hybridization will almost always be the result of cross species reproduction.

Different species may not produce viable offspring(wolves and domestic dogs can do so, but will not naturally because of different behaviours and ecological niches I think)

So different species will not reproduce(generally) without human intervention.


But my point is that in all the different species we have of say birds today, from the ostrich to the harpee, they are all birds(of the bird kind), and they will continue to be birds.

Logicboy03:

Really because it is a fact that atheists are generally more likely to be intelligent/peaceful than religious peeps


You keep proving my point. Keep on the irrational rants. You claim that atheists are morally depraved fools, yet you would want your wife to keep the baby of a molester if she is ra.ped and gets pregnant

I was only repeating in your tone.

The last part of your post is pathetic and low sir.
She should kill the baby then? For the crimes of the father? She should encourage more evil then? You are the morally depraved one then, who will accept the killing of an innocent unborn because of selfish interests. I will do anything to save a life. Life is precious. Human life is precious.

Logicboy03: Wow .....just wow

well, is "wow" an answer?

FOLYKAZE: Zombie is coming for your head. Lol


Peter Peter Peter.....dont let me call mary margelene and Judas on you.

sorry for butting in, I wanna ask some question:
Is olorun the supreme God in the yoruba traditionalist system?
What are his(its) characteristics?

Kay 17: ^^
The treatment is graceful death, which is a relief in the circumstances. Many people across ages and times, have used suicide as a pyschological relief. Hence its unimportant haggling over the metaphysical state of a deadman.

you encourage suicide as a psychological relief?

Mr Troll: Josh, this is in good faith.

take it or leave it... http://evolution.berkeley.edu/

Kay 17: ^^
I meant naturally, without human intervention

don't get me wrong guys;
I agree with speciation and most aspects of the theory, its proved. but I do not agree with the assumptions of a common ancestor and man's origin(not just the origin of life)

I know adaptation takes place, but that adaptation and speciation will lead to other diverse kinds of organisms arising, like pisces becoming amphibians and reptalia becoming aves is not coherent. It is preposterous and stupid.

Of course speciation takes place. Even the bible says that God placed a parent kind group of each living thing and allowed them to reproduce. They reproduced and became diverse and adapted to different kinds of environments over the years, but each kind-group had ancestors. There were old species of birds suited to the environment of then. But to say that every single species on earth, every kind on earth descended from the same ancestor, and that there has been a gradual change of kind over the ages is a blind leap of unreasonable faith I am not willing to believe. Simple.


@Kay: what is unnatural about the killer bee hybrid?
They were introduced into new environments and reproduced with the local bees.

My conscience and dogged determination and faith and hope might not allow me to recommend euthanasia personally.

texanomaly: Hey Josh...Merry Christmas to you too...hope this month is treating you well.

yes ma'am. It is. Thank you.

Kay 17: I mean an ancestorial relationship.

Point out a species that reproduces another of their same kind.

killer bees are hybrids of different bee species.

[quote author=Area_boy]Josh, the more you waste your time fighting evolution, the more silly you make yourself look. You cannot base 90% of your arguements from works of people that pre-concluded evolution was bogus before researching. Open your eyes and your mind.

Evolution does nothing to your religion if that's what you are afraid of. The catholic church accepts it and they are doing fine. better than your money hungry, evil minded, deceitful MOG's.

Organisms evolve, and this is fact. Since we accept this, and we are just complex organisms, it means we too must have evolved or still evolving.
If you don't accept my premise, next time you get malaria (hoping you don't), please go find malaria drugs from the 80's and see if you will live to talk about evolution.

The main issue is the origin of first life.. stick to that and maybe you'll at least sound a little smarter.

Thank me later[/quote]you're repeating the same nonsense lb said.
Why would I bother about sounding smart to you? You're definition of smart is my definition(and more so, God's definition) of utter foolishness.

Ps, evolution cannot and will never mix with the bible. Once we try to reconcile the two, we end up like the evolutionists: confused, listless.

Hello Tex. I'm fine. Merry Christmas.

nnofaith: your god cannot be just and merciful at the same time, for mercy is the absence of justice!

God has shown mercy. He is the God of mercy. But he is also just.

God is not merciful to the point of not being able to punish wrong-doing. He gives room for repentance. He warns of judgement stedfastly and commands men everywhere to repent.

But when one refuses mercy, he will drink the full wrath of Judgement.

The wages of sin is indeed death.


Stop your delusions of grandeur and face the hard truth of the fact that you(all of us) are a wretched sinner, deserving of Gods justice, and embrace Gods mercy: Christ Jesus.

We're here as witnesses of reality you see. To pull down the foolish delusions man has created of himself and God. We strip people of their false(and convenient) conceptions and give them a dose of the real deal, non-negotiable reality.

God is not a force, inanimate, he is not energy. God is not non-existent(this is not to even be argued), God is here in his objectivity. We have made very false images of him through the ages, but he has also given us his real picture through the ages. God is the all-powerful person and creator. God is too big to be part of our rituals and routines. God is too big to fit into our lives. God is too holy to abide with sin. God is our creator. God has revealed himself and his knowledge. God is the owner of our life-purposes. God is a loving God, but he is also holy and the Good judge and cannot allow sin to go unpunished.
To meet God, we must get rid of our sins first, we can only do that by his provision of Jesus Christ.

To acknowledge God, we must deny ourselves; our ambitions and purposes. If we acknowledge God, we must acknowledge his lordship. He is too big to be a part of our existence. We must fit into his plans and purposes. We must come to him on his terms. He is the lord. His terms are non-negotiable.

All of this is hard fact. And it is only with simple trust in the ever-present God that we will truly find purpose. That we will be truly free, from sin and lust, free to work Gods purpose.

There is no room for sin or hypocrisy. Denying the God-fact is the most foolish of all measures and will gain you nothing.

God is present. We have made him our enemy because of our sins. We are deserving of judgement. In Gods mercy, Christ died for us. He became our substitute and saved us from sin's tyranny.
When we accept Christ, we accept God. And we are free to live, truly live, according to his purpose. Given a new life in Christ Jesus.

For the wages of sin is DEATH, but the free-gift of God is ETERNAL LIFE through JESUS CHRIST our Lord


This is reality.

rationalmind: That is the most sensible explanation. The one you chose is the foolish one

yes. It is sensible to help your husband in a fight by grabbing his testicles.

rationalmind: and as usual, you didnt see this

You should ask whoever wrote that verse how seizing ones husband genitals rescues him not me

you show your bias by delibrately choosing a foolish interpretation that makes no sense.