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TruthinAction:

He is yet to be revealed. He will rule from Rome which will be the headquarters of the New kingdom. And the false prophet will come from Israel and they will work together. He will enter into a peace treaty on behalf of Israel for seven years. But after three and a half years, he will set up an image of the beast in the temple of God and force everyone on earth to worship the beast. It is at this point the Jews will realize they have been deceived.

Hence our Lord Jesus said in

Matthew 24:15-21.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Isreal will be persecuted by the beast and Jesus will come back to deliver Israel from the hands of the beast. It is after the defeat that him and the false prophet will be thrown into the Lake of fire.

Then Satan will be bound for 1,000 years and Jesus will reign from Jerusalem for 1,000 years.

Either revealed or not is not the matter here, but the vital fact that the Beast Was caught and thrown into lake of fire while still ALIVE .

1. So Lake of fire is on earth ? Unless u want to tell me he was transported there, which will mock the idea of body separating from soul through death before soul began the journey.

Here this person is alive as human yet thrown into lake of fire . , begs the question: is Lake of fire a place on earth ?


2) Does that mean this particular human will never taste death ? Automatic everlasting life ?

slapandfall:
We need to understand that Ronaldo and like some other European players are not native English speakers.
So their use of English is not the best.

Hence they use some words which they do not know it sounds rude or has some form of pride. "not like they themselves are really rude or proud" but that is just the way they can speak English because they speak by word to word translation.

If you get what i mean

I kinda reason with you

CAPTIVATOR:
Jozzy4 , don't tell me you expect him to outrightly say his OGAS are wrong , , he has already Told you They are wrong Below.



His own opinion is in parenthesis below as indicated above. For him its spiritual eating , he doesn't agree with the trash of those two guys u mention .



Its all right , don't mind Jozzy4 . how can he expect u to outrightly say they are wrong when you have indicated it already .

I actually saw through his tactic, He knew they were wrong yet still came and said the person with a wrong view has answered all necessary questions, whereas the way he answers it was far different from his own, one justify emblem , the other relate it as spiritual ( which I knew he did after reading the thread, Because he would have swallowed paulgrundy propaganda before stumbling on the thread . ) . they can't even AGREE .

TruthinAction:
He is human and not an animal.

I will attend to the more comprehensive response of yours , but the only thing I have to say here is: If The Beast REPRESENT something, what does Lake of fire represent ?

The Beast isn't real, is Lake of fire real or a representation ?

TruthinAction:

The beast is the new world ruler. He is called the beast because of his ruthlessness. He was thrown into the Lake of fire after Jesus defeated him. And 1,000 years later, Satan was thrown in there. So there is nothing like none existence. See the scripture below.

The battle of Jesus with the beast and his army

Revelation 19:19-20
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

After this incident, Satan was bound for 1,000 years and Jesus ruled the earth for that period.

Revelation 20:1-6

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

After the 1,000 years was over, Satan will be loosed for a season and gather multitudes to fight against the Saints. Revelation 20:7-9.

But fire from God from heaven destroyed them and Satan was cast into the Lake of fire. And this verse acknowledged that the beast and the false prophets were still there.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Remember the time lapse between when the beast and the false prophet were thrown into the Lake of fire and when Satan joined them was at least 1,000 years. So this suggests that they do not go into none existence.

The last sentence says, 'and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever'

You either accept the truth of the Scripture and stop twisting it to suit your preconceived opinions. The book of Revelation says we should not add or subtract from it. And says anyone who adds, all the plagues will be added to him and anyone who subtract will be deleted from the book of life.

So the Beast Is not real BUT A REPRESENTATION of someone, what does the Lake of fire into which its thrown REPRESENT ?


Can u kindly Identify this WORLD LEADER! , to Give concrete to your assumption ?

achorladey:
Jozzy4: When you said Jesus words at John chapter 6 meant ' SPIRITUAL eating by Faith ' , Does that include eating literal emblems is compulsory to gain everlasting life ?

Achorladey: I believe you understand my post the first time you read it.

Jozzy4: You MUST be speaking from both sides of your mouth,

Achorladey: Hahahahahaha! is that a STATEMENT of FACT about me or a COMMAND from YOU to me?

Jozzy4: to not recognize rottennaija never admit Faith is enough, it include LITERAL eating of emblems . whereas you claimed its spiritual eating

Achorladey: Hahahahahah, the reason I have said you might be reading more into the UNLESS YOU EAT palaver.


Jozzy4: I underlined " Must " for a reason to debunk your claim of reading more into unless.

Achorladey: I have had to go back and see where the above came from and I found all of the below is contained in there too.....

(In the account of John 6, here are the point Jesus made. Having FAITH in the HIM will lead to EVERLASTING LIFE Jn 6:40. Unless you Eat the flesh and drink the blood, you have no life Jn 6:53. Promises of resurrection is HUNG on HAVING FAITH in Jesus, believing that his SAYINGS MEANS LIFE, eating and feeding on his blood and flesh Jn 6:40,47,52-59.

It was for the reason that he mentioned the eating of his flesh and drinking of his blood that many who were his disciples left him. Jesus true disciples of the first century didn't see the partaking of the emblem as abracadabra or something that could be dispense with, Jesus was their passover who was sacrifice. 1 Co 5:7)

Before this......... So no, having faith is Jesus and believing in him is not enough.

Jozzy4: I ask again: Is that your point too? If it's spiritual eating and not literal eating,

Achorladey: You have my response to the above already

Jozzy4: do you agree he is wrong?

Achorladey: I repeat you are reading more into the "UNLESS you EAT"

Jozzy4: so paulgrundy quickly lost relevance.

Achorladey: You were unable to respond to the part that states show where I called Paul Grundy my PASTOR. Here you are saying AGAIN Paul Grundy has LOST RELEVANCE. I am beginning to see you will love it very much that Paul Grundy lost relevance. Hahahahahahaha!

But you wouldn't want the encyclopedias, Wikipedias to become or LOST RELEVANCE! After all they all produce reference to numerous works. Your palaver.

You ended up saying nothing. Since he said having faith in Jesus isn't enough, his statement at John 6 includes Eating emblems


Does John 6 statement of Jesus on eating His flesh and drinking his blood a reference to Emblems as claimed by rottennaija and Paulgrundy ?

TruthinAction:
None existence ko none existence ni. Look at you contradicting God's word. When the false Prophet and the beast were thrown into the Lake of fire, they were still there after 1,000 years before they were joined by Satan himself. How will something that does not exist cry night and day?

A Beast ? Do u really believe such An animal was thrown into lake of fire ?

achorladey:
Jozzy4: Now here are my questions :

Achorladey: Ok

Jozzy4: 1. Do you accept Rottennaija is wrong to interpret Jesus words to mean literal eating of emblems ?

Achorladey: The below is your first HIGHLIGHT of rottennaija post when responding to his post. Concentration on what you bolded there now in uppercase LETTER here

Have you not seen how easy for to twist the Bible, excuse, deflect and give all the reasons in the world why you wouldn't OBEY A VERY SIMPLE COMMAND TO EAT THE FLESH AND DRINK THE BLOOD OF JESUS.

You went ahead to cite John 6:53,54 where the "UNLESS YOU EAT" was brought into the discussion. Now go back and read rottennaija response to your first post. You never can tell what you will find. after all I have highlighted part of it previously. Go back and read.

When you said Jesus words at John chapter 6 meant ' SPIRITUAL eating by Faith ' , Does that include eating literal emblems is compulsory to gain everlasting life ?

You must be speaking from both sides of your mouth, to not recognize rottennaija never admit Faith is enough, it include LITERAL eating of emblems . whereas you claimed its Spiritual Eating . .

rottennaija


So no, having faith is Jesus and believing in him is not enough . We must believe in him that his sacrifice is enough to take away our sins, we must believe in his words which will mean life for us, we must also obey his command to eat his flesh and drink his blood.

I underlined " Must " for a reason to debunk your claim of reading more into unless .

I ask again: Is that your point too ? If it's spiritual eating and not literal eating , do you agree he is wrong ?



Tell me which Bible verse was twisted , Please and please my last response to Rottennaija is still there, you are free to quote and analyse.

Jozzy4: 2. Do you agree that your pastor and mentor, Paulgrundy of Jwfact is Extremely Wrong below ?

Achorladey: Before I can answer the above, you have to show or where I state Paulgrundy of Jwfact is my PASTOR.

One can only hope you are not reading more into what is not in what you posted in RED

Whenever and wherever you used as reference in your typed materials and post, will it be RIGHT to call all those SOURCES and point of REFERENCE your PASTORS. Those that CITE the jw.org as reference when posting materials. Do you AGREE GB is there PASTOR?

so paulgrundy quickly lost relevance.

Anyway, Was he correct that Jesus statement refers to literal eating of emblems to gain LIFE?

achorladey:
Something similar to the below in parenthesis have been emphasised repeatedly over the course of three to four pages on the thread. If that's the case. I wouldn't say I have contributed to the post as well. I will stick to what I said previously concerning reading more into "UNLESS YOU EAT"


(But the words design a spiritual eating of Christ by faith. To eat the flesh, and drink the blood of Christ, is to believe that Christ is come in the flesh, and is truly and really man; that his flesh is given for the life of his people, and his blood is shed for their sins)

You didn't address the main issue, though I must commend your insight on what Jesus meant that's if you actually meant what you wrote above at bold.

Now here are my questions :

1. Do you accept Rottennaija is wrong to interpret Jesus words to mean literal eating of emblems ?

2. Do you agree that your pastor and mentor, Paulgrundy of Jwfact is Extremely Wrong below ?



" he [ Jesus ] commands partaking of the emblems as an importance acceptance of him and gaining everlasting life.

John 6:53-57 "Accordingly Jesus said to them: "Most truly I say to YOU, Unless YOU eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, YOU have no life in yourselves. He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I shall resurrect him at the last day; for my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him. Just as the living Father sent me forth and I live because of the Father, he also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me." - Paulgrundy


Is he right or wrong ?

Jozzy4:
Let me repeat the Fact that 1. You haven't gave a valid reason why those who lived in the past never ate this bread and wine IF its essential for everlasting life . your time difference theory only QUESTION the validity of Jesus claim to be the second Adam that gives eternal life, if his coming ONLY Affect people of his era .

2. You again, haven't respond soundly to the fact that despite Jesus institute the Memorial, we Stoll find a Man that same day who gained Life promise from Jesus without eating bread and wine , Your Exception theory contradict Jesus statmenent that " UNLESS YOU Eat " . who are the YOU ? How then can the man be an exception ? Is Jesus lying ?

3. You again failed to respond to @Jessicha's point that during the 1000 years of Christ reign, some unrighteous people would turn to doing good and gain Life, Did they ate the bread and wine ? No .

Now My focus is the below .



If it result to death and sickness , How then can you reconcile it with the below ?


48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever.

What Jesus OFFER doesn't LEAD to Death.

To address the they ate it unworthy : Don't forget that Jesus contrasted this flesh of his with Manna . Did people died from eating Manna ? Even when some people disobey some instruction guiding it, NO One died from eating it.

Is Manna now better than Jesus flesh ?



Attitude ?

Christ said and I quote

" “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you khave no life in you. 54 [u] Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life , and mI will raise him up on the last day. "

From where did you see attitude here ? He state " Whoever FEED " . whoever .

This is what happen when you try to merge to events that are different.


Even the Manna known also as Bread from heaven didn't kill anyone because of attitude . Is Manna better than Christ body ? ?

If you have anything meaningful to contribute , here are the questions and points yet to be addressed .

@ achorladey

achorladey:
Oga Jozzy the SOUND ONE can't see the part of my post that states......."I was wondering what part of the questions raised so far you have not responded to"

What is there to CLARIFY when I equally stated it has already been attended to?

Point exactly what is the more that's been read into the word *Unless* . Didn't you say that too ?

TruthinAction:
They acknowledge as what? Every religion acknowledges Jesus but the point is as who?
We believe that Jesus is God but the JW says otherwise.

JW have no problem calling Jesus " God" . the issue is when you refer to him as THE ALMIGHTY GOD " ! Christ isn't the Almighty God. So get your facts right before making accusation.

Evidence:

Almighty God cannot have a God, Does Jesus have a God ?.

They even said Jesus was created . They equate him with angels.

Please don't be deceived. Half truth is lie.

Read Revelation 3:14 . Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God. He was created .

achorladey:
I was wondering what part of the questions raised so far you have not responded to that made some feel you are deluded and arrogant. PERHAPS they are READING more into "UNLESS YOU EAT" CONUNDRUM brought into the discussion. Still that has equally been responded to as well.

A sound person would have attended to the points raised or clarify what's the more they are reading into it . Rather than throwing Tantrum's

rottennaija:
You should understand that I seek not your approval, contributions, input or recommendations for my response or post I make. It makes no difference to me, it never did and never will. What I have to write! I write, what I have to post, I post and what I have to respond, I respond.

You ask me questions, I research and respond. I ask you questions, you choose to ignore it, I'm fine with it for I already know the answer.

I impact knowledge to you. I have been where you are, believe what you believe and know more than you do. Then I realize they were useless, then I threw everything away for the sake of the excelling value of the good news.

You call me names, say I'm naive, lost, delusional, it's all part of what my have has experienced in the past 2 years plus. But it makes me stronger, better, smarter, for in all these, I learn vital truth about everything.

U are getting emotional with this useless pride, its not needed. Just deal with the main point

Let me repeat the Fact that 1. You haven't gave a valid reason why those who lived in the past never ate this bread and wine IF its essential for everlasting life . your time difference theory only QUESTION the validity of Jesus claim to be the second Adam that gives eternal life, if his coming ONLY Affect people of his era .

2. You again, haven't respond soundly to the fact that despite Jesus institute the Memorial, we Stoll find a Man that same day who gained Life promise from Jesus without eating bread and wine , Your Exception theory contradict Jesus statmenent that " UNLESS YOU Eat " . who are the YOU ? How then can the man be an exception ? Is Jesus lying ?

3. You again failed to respond to @Jessicha's point that during the 1000 years of Christ reign, some unrighteous people would turn to doing good and gain Life, Did they ate the bread and wine ? No .

Now My focus is the below .

rottennaija:
In 1 Co 11:27 - 30, the apostle Paul warned the Christian Congregation against partaking of the communion of our lord unworthily. The consequences was that those who partook it unworthily was sinning against the body and blood of Jesus. As a result, they drank and ate judgement for themselves, resulting in some being sick, some dying . He thereafter warned each Christian in verse 31 to first of all examine themselves, so they don't bring judgment against themselves. He also instructed the church in verse 33 that they should wait for one another when gathering before eating.

If it result to death and sickness , How then can you reconcile it with the below ?


48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever.

What Jesus OFFER doesn't LEAD to Death.

To address the they ate it unworthy : Don't forget that Jesus contrasted this flesh of his with Manna . Did people died from eating Manna ? Even when some people disobey some instruction guiding it, NO One died from eating it.

Is Manna now better than Jesus flesh ?

What was the meaning of taking the communion unworthily? Why were they unworthy?

It simply means taking the communion in a manner that was not worthy.

It is an established fact that the heavenly calling began in the 1st century, that true Christians in the first century all had the heavenly calling, were anointed with holy spirit and were sons of God. ( afact the watchtower accepts and believes)

So since this is so, why then did the apostle Paul warned against partaking of the emblems unworthily?

The apostle had finished giving counsel on praying, prophesying, head covering, the authority of a man over his wife etc. Turning his attention to another issue of importance, he wrote “But now when I mention this next issue, I cannot praise you. For it sounds as if more harm than good is done when you meet together” (I Co 11:17 - New Living Translation)

He mentioned contentions and division among them when they meet together. He mentioned some getting drunk while others go hungry. He asked in verse 22 “Do you not have houses for eating and drinking? Or do you despise the congregation of God and make those who have nothing feel ashamed? What can I say to you? Should I commend you? In this I do not commend you.”

Then he spoke of the emblem, representing the body and blood of Christ. In verse 26, he said “For whenever you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he comes”. The apostle relates the Lord’s super to the sacrifice of Christ and then says to examine one’s self in verse 28. “First let a man approve himself after scrutiny, and only then let him eat of the loaf and drink of the cup. [examine yourself before eating the bread and drinking the cup - NLT]”

The problem here was in the attitude the Corinthian Christians. The apostle is telling them to examine their motives, take care that there is no dissension among them, to take emblems solemnly, understanding its full significance.

Concerning their attitude, the apostle had earlier warned of some getting drunk with the wine and others going hungry. He also instructed them “when you come together to eat it, wait for one another.” (Verses 22, 33) From the instruction to “wait for one another” it is evident that some were taking either the bread or wine, they deprive others of such opportunity.

It was their attitude towards the solemn occasion that mattered . Some were not showing full appreciation for it while others saw it as an opportunity to indulge themselves. They simply did not ‘discern the body’, they simply saw that as just another occasion to eat and drink. They were eating and drinking judgement to themselves.

With such attitude towards the blood and flesh of our Lord, they were not showing respect for Christ. It was an unworthy attitude for them to involve in self-indulgence, be gluttonous and drunk for such a solemn occasion. It’s also possible the partaking did not include both elements (the bread and the wine) as Christ had commanded that both be taken. In any case, it showed contempt, a serious disregard or a disrespect of the body and blood of our Lord Jesus to partake the emblems in such an improper way. (Please see The Watchtower March 15, 2003, page 18 par. 3)

Attitude ?

Christ said and I quote

" “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you khave no life in you. 54 [u] Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life , and mI will raise him up on the last day. "

From where did you see attitude here ? He state " Whoever FEED " . whoever .

This is what happen when you try to merge to events that are different.


Even the Manna known also as Bread from heaven didn't kill anyone because of attitude . Is Manna better than Christ body ? ?

TruthinAction:
The very name of your organization betrays God's word. You are supposed to be Jesus witness and not Jehovah's witness. You can only witness for what you have seen. No one has seen Jehovah but Jesus was seen and he is the express image of Jehovah.

Jesus told his disciples in Acts 1:8 that they will be his witness after they receive the Holy Spirit baptism.

Read the book of Acts, every evangelical message is centered on Christ. But you feel you have direct access to God without Jesus.

Jesus is the mediator between God and man and there is no way you claim you know the father when you do not acknowledge Jesus.

Please run away from this evil group and save your life. You just twist the Scripture to suit your opinions.

Jehovah's witnesses acknowledge Jesus.

rottennaija:
In 1 Co 11:27 - 30, the apostle Paul warned the Christian Congregation against partaking of the communion of our lord unworthily. The consequences was that those who partook it unworthily was sinning against the body and blood of Jesus. As a result, they drank and ate judgement for themselves, resulting in some being sick, some dying. He thereafter warned each Christian in verse 31 to first of all examine themselves, so they don't bring judgment against themselves. He also instructed the church in verse 33 that they should wait for one another when gathering before eating.

What was the meaning of taking the communion unworthily? Why were they unworthy?

It simply means taking the communion in a manner that was not worthy.

It is an established fact that the heavenly calling began in the 1st century, that true Christians in the first century all had the heavenly calling, were anointed with holy spirit and were sons of God. ( afact the watchtower accepts and believes)

So since this is so, why then did the apostle Paul warned against partaking of the emblems unworthily?

The apostle had finished giving counsel on praying, prophesying, head covering, the authority of a man over his wife etc. Turning his attention to another issue of importance, he wrote “But now when I mention this next issue, I cannot praise you. For it sounds as if more harm than good is done when you meet together” (I Co 11:17 - New Living Translation)

He mentioned contentions and division among them when they meet together. He mentioned some getting drunk while others go hungry. He asked in verse 22 “Do you not have houses for eating and drinking? Or do you despise the congregation of God and make those who have nothing feel ashamed? What can I say to you? Should I commend you? In this I do not commend you.”

Then he spoke of the emblem, representing the body and blood of Christ. In verse 26, he said “For whenever you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he comes”. The apostle relates the Lord’s super to the sacrifice of Christ and then says to examine one’s self in verse 28. “First let a man approve himself after scrutiny, and only then let him eat of the loaf and drink of the cup. [examine yourself before eating the bread and drinking the cup - NLT]”

The problem here was in the attitude the Corinthian Christians. The apostle is telling them to examine their motives, take care that there is no dissension among them, to take emblems solemnly, understanding its full significance.

Concerning their attitude, the apostle had earlier warned of some getting drunk with the wine and others going hungry. He also instructed them “when you come together to eat it, wait for one another.” (Verses 22, 33) From the instruction to “wait for one another” it is evident that some were taking either the bread or wine, they deprive others of such opportunity.

It was their attitude towards the solemn occasion that mattered. Some were not showing full appreciation for it while others saw it as an opportunity to indulge themselves. They simply did not ‘discern the body’, they simply saw that as just another occasion to eat and drink. They were eating and drinking judgement to themselves.

With such attitude towards the blood and flesh of our Lord, they were not showing respect for Christ. It was an unworthy attitude for them to involve in self-indulgence, be gluttonous and drunk for such a solemn occasion. It’s also possible the partaking did not include both elements (the bread and the wine) as Christ had commanded that both be taken. In any case, it showed contempt, a serious disregard or a disrespect of the body and blood of our Lord Jesus to partake the emblems in such an improper way. (Please see The Watchtower March 15, 2003, page 18 par. 3)

From where did u get this copy and paste ? U totally missed the mark . coming

mrAMG2:
With everything I wrote, this is the best you could deduce?

Pathetic

With everything the op wrote, all you could do is bash him. Rather that pick the lessons there even if he made is own mistakes, ur case is pathetic too

Jessicha:
cc: rottennaija answer this . Jozzy4 , Barristter07

His delusion is very strong that he didn't know he has already relegated Jesus ability to save to only the people of his time , those before him Never needed him . You could imagine

Firstly, you should have replied the earlier post instead of running around .

rottennaija:
If they are free from their sins after death,

Romans 6:23 wages of sin is death, But the Gift of God is everlasting life. Raising them is the chance given all to Get the gift, by proving their loyalty

then why are they raised to judgement? Why are the righteous raised to eternal life and the wicked to judgment?

It didn't say wicked ( subjects of Gehenna), the expression is " Unrighteous " ( Act 24:15) referring to those who did bad ignorantly . Their been raised is the opportunity given them to repent and put faith in Christ.

Judgement as good or bad occurs due to CONDUCTS EXHIBITED after ressurection

During this moment, The Bible said inhabitants of the earth will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS, definitely like Jessicha pointed out, some formerly unrighteous ones would have turn to doing good and gained LIFE , Did they eat Jesus flesh to gain this ?

rottennaija:
I'm responding to all your post and will respond to your latest. However, just out of curiosity, what if they can prove it soundly to you? Will that change your mind?

You are only creating a fantasy.
Respond first. Let us see how sound you are ! After that your fantasy can be addressed.

rottennaija:
And if they can prove it soundly to you?

Address the points and let's see how sound you are in this regard !

Maximus69:
If that's his problem and he feels it's cheating, let him come and eat of the emblem nah!
Nobody holds anyone's hands not to eat or drink!

Why is he afraid of eating it during the Memorial Day in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses if he feels everyone should eat it nah?

All these story is useless!

Am not saying he shouldn't eat, the issue is saying when Jesus said UNLESS you eat my flesh and drink my blood , he was referring to memorial ... Which is outrightly wrong, Yet someone Gained life that very day without Eating literal bread.

rottennaija:
Peter, James, John and the other disciples of Jesus had faith in him. They also obeyed Jesus command to eat his flesh and drink his blood.
The Bible also shows that Jesus had other disciples, but when he told them of the importance of feeding on his flesh and blood, they would not continue with him any more.

They left him because they were dull in hearing thinking he meant a literal EATING . like You are doing . you ain't different from them. He clarifies " The flesh is of no use at all, my words are spirit" .

Literal Eating can't give you LIFE . its the spiritual aspect below that gives life.


40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life,

What gives eternal life as written above ?

John 6
In the account of John 6, here are the point Jesus made. Having faith in the him will lead to everlasting life Jn 6:40. Unless you Eat the flesh and drink the blood, you have no life Jn 6:53. Promises of resurrection is hung on having faith in Jesus, believing that his sayings means life, eating and feeding on his blood and flesh Jn 6:40,47,52-59.

It was for the reason that he mentioned the eating of his flesh and drinking of his blood that many who were his disciples left him. Jesus true disciples of the first century didn't see the partaking of the emblem as abracadabra or something that could be dispense with, Jesus was their passover who was sacrifice. 1 Co 5:7.

Are u aware that some became sick and even died after partaking of emblem ? Something that gives LIFE should not Create Death as well. Emblem has a different purpose Jesus said : this cup means the New covenant . he was instituting a covenant NOT literal eating that gives life

Taking a lesson from Jewish way of worship under the mosaic law, the passover lamb was sacrifice and the passover lamb was eaten, by all Israelite and alien resident who accepted God's way of worship.

So no, having faith is Jesus and believing in him is not enough.

John 6:40 says faith in Jesus gives eternal life, Are u calling our Lord a liar because your understanding of his words his shallow ?

We must believe in him that his sacrifice is enough to take away our sins, we must believe in his words which will mean life for us, we must also obey his command to eat his flesh and drink his blood.

Of course, The Thief on Jesus side did that before he could have LIFe right ?

Don't forget Jesus said " UNLESS " . this thing should have NP exception.

And no, the whole point of eating his flesh and drinking is blood is not abracadabra anymore than eating of the passover lamb was. It's a very intrinsic part of our worship of God and Christ.

Jesus said : " The FLESH is of no use at all " . so he wasn't referring to literal eating .

In Mt 28:20, Jesus true followers were to "Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands [Jesus gave.]" It does not belong to us to choose which part to obey and which part to avoid. Unless we pay lip service to our discipleship. And not, it's no abracadabra.

When Adam and Eve sinned, God quickly blocked the tree of life, cos eating it would give them life


Fast forward to apostles day, If eating the bread and wine gives LIFE , It won't cause death or sickness for anyone. , in fact it should be encouraged to gain LIFE , no matter either u sin or not . . But the reverse was the case.

Which will make me ask you this. If the governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses were to ask publish in their books that taking of the communion is OK for all Jws, will you partake of it?

Its like telling me Governing Body can say tomorrow that Rich man and Lazarus is a literal story and I will believe, when there are many Holes I discovered myself. They just can't ! They need to prove it soundly for me to accept, Here you are struggling to tell why after Jesus institute , a man still gain LIFE without eating Jesus blood and flesh ? now asking nonsense question on something you are yet to prove soundly ... Partaking the emblem doesn't give LIFE, its not what Jesus was speaking at John 6 . when instituting the emblem, Jesus use it to establish NEW COVENANT . NOT as a way to gain LIFE.

That way the thief on his side Is exempted, but He can gain LIFE because what is required is Faith in Jesus NOT eating bread or flesh that is of no use at all to gain life

rottennaija:
Peter, James, John and the other disciples of Jesus had faith in him. They also obeyed Jesus command to eat his flesh and drink his blood. The Bible also shows that Jesus had other disciples, but when he told them of the importance of feeding on his flesh and blood, they would not continue with him any more.

In the account of John 6, here are the point Jesus made. Having faith in the him will lead to everlasting life Jn 6:40. Unless you Eat the flesh and drink the blood, you have no life Jn 6:53. Promises of resurrection is hung on having faith in Jesus, believing that his sayings means life, eating and feeding on his blood and flesh Jn 6:40,47,52-59.

It was for the reason that he mentioned the eating of his flesh and drinking of his blood that many who were his disciples left him. Jesus true disciples of the first century didn't see the partaking of the emblem as abracadabra or something that could be dispense with, Jesus was their passover who was sacrifice. 1 Co 5:7.

Taking a lesson from Jewish way of worship under the mosaic law, the passover lamb was sacrifice and the passover lamb was eaten, by all Israelite and alien resident who accepted God's way of worship.

So no, having faith is Jesus and believing in him is not enough. We must believe in him that his sacrifice is enough to take away our sins, we must believe in his words which will mean life for us, we must also obey his command to eat his flesh and drink his blood. And no, the whole point of eating his flesh and drinking is blood is not abracadabra anymore than eating of the passover lamb was. It's a very intrinsic part of our worship of God and Christ.

In Mt 28:20, Jesus true followers were to "Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands [Jesus gave.]" It does not belong to us to choose which part to obey and which part to avoid. Unless we pay lip service to our discipleship. And not, it's no abracadabra.

Which will make me ask you this. If the governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses were to ask publish in their books that taking of the communion is OK for all Jws, will you partake of it?

I read this and I weep for you. Will respond soon

mrAMG2:
Kindly answer the following questions.

-How did you know she was married? Did she tell you herself? Is she related to you? Or did you come to the conclusion because you saw a ring on her finger?

-What makes you feel you know the difference between what’s decent and what’s not?


-Say she’s married, did her husband call you to complain that she is/may be cheating on him?

-What’s wrong with a full grown, independent thinking adult to be interested in erotica whether married or single?

-Finally, why did you invade her privacy and why couldn’t you mind your damn business?


I’m very sure you go to deeper life or mfm. Awon holier than thou. Holiness ambassador. Executive CEO of don’t mind your business.

Mumu

Your type crys most if your wife should ever cheat.

rottennaija:
In the night of his death, Jesus instituted the memorial of his death, thereby bringing into force the new covenant. The new covenant came into effect after Jesus death where his blood was poured for the forgiveness of sins.

Jesus promised the man on the cross or stake with Jesus, to be with him in paradise. Was the new covenant in effect? Yes (though one might say that technically, the new covenant may not have been since Jesus had not paid the ransom yet. But the event was in motion, he had already started it the night before where he broke the bread and gave the wine) Was there a different time between the night before and the day after? Yes Will the man gain life? Yes. Will he gain everlasting life in heaven despite not eating bread and drinking the cup? Yes.

What are the similarities between him, John, and other ancient servant of God who despite not taking the bread and cup but will still gain life in heaven? The circumstances around it. In the case of John and others, he wasn't alive when the new covenant came into effect and the bread and wine was shared. In the case of this man, he met Jesus for the first time, he was in jail (don't know how long he was there), the bread and wine was shared the night before and most of all, he showed exceeding faith, such faith as had not been found in Israel. Besides, he was in the final chapter of his life (as Jesus' earthly life was), he wouldn't have such opportunities ever again. But from his expression of faith, it's obvious if had another another chance, he would have been a disciple of Jesus.

Let me explain further.

I have been trying to work for shell since I graduated from the university. (I came out with good grades) Shell has about 7 stages of recruitment before anyone can get in. Most times, I'll get thought the first 3 but not further. I cannot work for shell, I cannot enjoy all they enjoy.

One day, by happenstance, I meet the GM of shell, for whatever reason, he likes me and feels love for me. He made a declaration to offer me employment in shell. Wow, without passing through their recruitment process, I have the job already. This scenario play out frequently in many places. Governors, Presidents promises people direct job offer without them passing through the recruitment processes. Business men giving people loans without them having to pass through the processes others pass. It is called favour or grace.

The thief hung with Jesus was a man of exceeding faith, who expresses faith in a dying man when others didn't. He had a special favour and grace. No one can take that away from him, Jesus had promised him heavenly life in paradise and he will get it.

Throughout Jesus earthly life, we find examples of people who received divine favour in their lives through their exceeding faith....

Welcome back from your delusion

The highlighted lies the answer you seek. Eating Jesus flesh and blood means putting faith in him ( John 3:16) . it has nothing to do with eating some bread and wine. !!!

Jesus explains " it is the spirit that is LIFE giving, The flesh is of no use at all the sayings that i have spoken to you are spirit and are life " John 6:63

Listen again, the whole abracadabra of eating flesh to gain life is NOT the point , the flesh ( either you have cannibalism mindset or you tagged it to the figurative bread IS OF NO USE AT ALL to give LIFE ) adjust your thinking.

Janosky:
The problem is with you.... You're not helping yourself.
Is English the original language of the holy Bible?
If you translated a book from French to English, what language would determine the real meaning of the words ?
Your honest answer to the questions is the key to unlock any word ,statement or phrases you come across while you read & study the Bible.

Thank you o, Bosom in that verse in the biblical language refers to a body part of another . I don't know why he can't accept Hagar must have been in the depth of the earth at Genesis 16:5

rottennaija:
What do you mean by grabbing straw?

Please answer the question asked: As at when the new covenant began, ( due to your different time theory ) Did the repentant Thief Eat Jesus flesh and blood to gain LIFE ?

TATIME:
Walahi Talahi this one supposed to be in the headlines of one of the world class magazines!
So this one thinks the judgment of what Adam and Eve did in the garden of Eden is just for them to be driven out of garden!

Why then are you saying God will torment people forever if they refuse to accept Jesus?
Will God also burn nice Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Aborigines in your hell fire?
If you're not certain of what will happen to Adam and Eve, what makes you certain of other people's destiny so that you're arguing here about religion?

Abeg all these people are just brain damaged novices who only feel like saying something when others are taking, they are completely empty headed!

On point! Truthinaction. You need to read that over and over again.

rottennaija:
I was expecting you to show that when was saying those words, his close disciples (Peter, John, James etc) had been enjoying the flesh and blood for months so that they have life.

That when the many of the Jews that heard and left him did, they did for seeing him and his disciples eating his flesh and drinking his blood.

I was also expecting that by the time, his disciples were already born again when he spoke with Nicodemus.

And that when John 3:16 was written, the ransom was paid already.

Am I right?

You are still grabbing straws , if a person didn't eat Jesus flesh and blood can they have Life ? Did he tell this to people under the old covenant as well ? this automatically cancelled out your previous epistle .

More issues for you .

rottennaija

On the night Jesus had died, the old covenant was terminated, the new began, which was seal with Jesus blood. The passover of the old covenant ended, the new passover came into effect, where Jesus flesh and blood replaced the old.

Yet when the New covenant began, Jesus still promises LIFE to a repentant thief, Did this man eat Jesus blood and eat his flesh to have this LIFE... since we are NOW in a DIFFERENT TIME ?

TruthinAction:
Your soul has every single part the body has. That is why even in your dream when you are sleeping, you still act as though you are complete with every part of your being. In your dream you can still eat but your body is resting. The spirit world is real. Life after death goes on with every activity of your senses still intact. The only difference is that you can not make contact with the physical world. And you are controlled by strange powers to guide you to your destination.

Nollywood movie has reprogrammed your head, u can't think clearly anymore. The Bible said Spirit does not have flesh and bone. How then could the rich man have tongue. A fleshly body part . Do u now agree people go to this your hell with their body's ?