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johnw47:
Joh 2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 
Joh 2:20  Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 
Joh 2:21  But he spake of the temple of his body.

Joh 10:17  Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 
Joh 10:18  No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

You should cover your faces in shame, How come the OP still say the body is different, one is sustained by blood, the other DOESNT have blood , same body ? ?

Am forced to ask where the one sustained with blood was kept since you disagree with Witnesses explanation.

shadeyinka:
Luke 24:39 (KJV)
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

The Scripture above summarises everything!

1. A question to ask them is: where is the Body of Jesus?
2. If Jesus body was nailed to the cross, was his Spirit body nailed too?


Cc:
alBHAGDADI:

Where is sense Bro ?

You quote that a spirit doesn't have flesh and bones, but y'all claim you are spirits ... How could a spirit have flesh ? U see now that you ain't any spirit .

You are even asking if his spirit body was nailed, Can a Flesh have a Spirit Body ? Where is sense , I seriously ask ?

alBHAGDADI:
The Jehovah's Witnesses claim that Jesus didn't resurrect bodily, that what resurrected after he was buried was his Spirit. They have Bible verses which they use to back the claim up, but what they fail to know is that those verses are misconstrued. The verses, when examined properly, show that they aren't saying what the Jehovah's Witnesses say they mean.

When the JW say Jesus resurrected, they simply means his spirit left his body and was raised up on the third day. Right there is a contradiction.

If the Spirit/Ghost of Jesus Christ was what got resurrected, then it means Jesus didn't resurrect on the third day as he said he would and as the Bible and the Apostles preached.

Luke 23:46 (KJV)
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

As seen in the verse above, Jesus gave up the ghost the very moment he died on the cross. It means his spirit left his body which is the definition of death according to the Bible verse below.

James 2:2 (KJV)
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

But according to the JW, that single incident was the resurrection. Mind you, they won't state it out this way, but that is what they are implying when properly scrutinized. Because, since they say Jesus Christ resurrected as a spirit, it becomes clear that they are implying that his body was abandoned and his spirit continued to live. If that's the case according to them, then it means Jesus resurrected the day he died, not on the third day as he said he would. That's False Witnessing from them.

Now, let's talk about the verses which they use to claim that Jesus was raised a spirit. They use those verses to claim his body did not resurrect but his spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

They quote the above verse and say the body of Jesus didn't resurrect and go to heaven because it is flesh and blood, which the Bible says cannot inherit the kingdom of God. The next thing they do is back it up with the below verse which talks about a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:44
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

After quoting the above verses, they now tell you[i] "you see, Jesus natural body died and was buried, but he was raised a spiritual body, meaning he was raised a spirit without his body"[/i].

The problem with the JW who love to call themselves Bible students is that they don't really study the Bible. They only swallow what their Watchtower organization feeds them which are lies, and I'll prove it.

First and foremost, to be called a Christian, you have to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Jehovah's Witnesses claim they also believe in that concept, but they are liars. Their believe stops at the burial. When well scrutinized, one will see that they don't believe Jesus resurrected. Them saying that his body didn't resurrect but his spirit did, is enough to know that they don't believe Jesus resurrected. They just pay it lips service. Now, let's see if they are saying the truth or not. Gently read the passage below.


John 2:19-21 KJV
19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.


In verse 19, Jesus told the Jews that if they destroyed his body, he will raise it up in three days. The Jehovah's Witnesses have called Jesus a liar when they said he didn't raise his body up. They called him a liar when they said he left his body to rot but resurrected his spirit. That's False Witnessing from them

You see, in the book of Psalms, King David prophecied that God won't abandon the soul of Jesus in hell neither will he allow his body to see corruption.

Psalm 16:10 (KJV)
10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

As seen above, two resurrections took place: Jesus soul resurrected from hell and his body resurrected from the ground and both returned back to their former state but with a slight difference. I will explain the difference soon, because that is what has confused the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Remember how I said the Jehovah's Witnesses love to quote the below verses to support their false believe that Jesus didn't resurrect bodily? Read them again.


1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1 Corinthians 15:44
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.


Now, let me show you what they got wrong about the verses. The first verse says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. The JW twist this to claim that that is why Jesus only resurrected in spirit and left his body of flesh and blood behind.

What they don't know is that, yes flesh and blood won't inherit the kingdom of God, but Flesh will. This raises a question: Did Jesus Christ resurrect his body or was it just his spirit that resurrected? Let's hear what Jesus said himself after he resurrected and appeared to his disciples.

Luke 24:39 (KJV)
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

As seen above, Jesus said he has flesh and bones which spirits don't have. Clearly, we see that Jesus resurrected in his body which was buried. But you say "didn't you just quote that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God?".


Yes, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, but FLESH and BONES will. So definitely, flesh will go to heaven but the one with blood will not. The body Jesus Christ resurrected in a spiritual body which has flesh and bones but no blood.

1 Corinthians 15:44
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

The above verse shows there is a natural body and a spiritual body. The difference is that one has blood while the other doesn't. The similarities is that they both have flesh and bones. The natural body has blood because the Bible says:

Leviticus 17:11 (KJV)
11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

The Spiritual body doesn't have the blood and that's why the resurrected body of Jesus was just flesh and bones. It didn't have the blood because Jesus had given it for the remission of our sins.

Matthew 26:28 (KJV)
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Remember we just saw in Leviticus that the life of the flesh is in the blood. Below is Jesus talking about giving his life/blood for we his sheep.

John 10:11 (KJV)
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

You see, the Jehovah's Witnesses are false witnesses who pretend to be Christians but are opposers of the word of God. They insult God with their false doctrines. When they say Jesus didn't resurrect bodily, they clearly state that they are not Christians.

To call yourself a Christian, you will have to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. It means you believe that Jesus died, his body was buried and that body which was buried was resurrected.


Luke 24:39 (KJV)
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

When the Jehovah's False Witnesses say that Jesus didn't resurrect his body, they simply say that God performed a huge scam. Ask them to tell which body Jesus was showing to his disciples. They'll say God gave him a borrowed body to use to appear before his disciples. They simply mean God gave him a body that looked like his original body that was nailed and pierced. This simply means Jesus was going about appearing before his disciples with a fake body and deceiving them to touch and feel it as if it's the original . That's a big scam only inspired by false doctrine from the stable of Jehovah's False Witnesses.

Thanks you.

The highlight shows you are the most deluded person on this thread sorry to say.

Spiritual body doesn't have Flesh, but your silly self still claim Jesus resurrected in a spiritual or spirit body with fLESH and bone. You are seriously confused. LIARS contradict themselves just as you just did.


Now that's not even where am going: Mr man as per your analysis, if Jesus resurrected in the SAME BODY, why did one has blood and the other doesn't ?

Am waiting for your answer , hehehehehe

alBHAGDADI:
They have no answers to the questions.

If they say Jesus body is still in the ground and rotten, then it will go against the prophecies of David that Jesus body won't see corruption.

Psalm 16:10 (KJV)
10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

For the second question, if they say Jesus spirit also had the nail marks, then what they are basically saying is that if a member of their phantom 144,000 is crippled today, his spirit is automatically crippled as well.

Spirit of man is the breath of life.

If spirit of man is a person, does it mean the person of Jesus ascend to heaven the day he die ? Luke 23:46

Cc: shadeyinka

Two of you are flawed In your analysis , really pathetic

Emusan:
@bold your premises is wrong humans AREN'T immortal souls but HAVE immortal souls

We were created to live on earth with our physical body where we relate with God through our spirits.

The day Adam sinned against God the physical body was subjected to destruction, so Jesus came to give us back the first physical body to live forever.

Why change his words ?
Jesus said he came to give mankind LIFE .not just physical body Mr .

Life definition:

the existence of an individual human being or animal.

So in short he came to give mankind continued existence.

So how could this be if man himself is by default immortal as a Soul ?

alBHAGDADI:
If you really want to discuss, Mr OneJ, promise that you and your fellow witnesses will quote scriptures from the King James Version, not your NWT.

Also, they must post the words of the Bible verses they mention here.

Failure to abide by that is the height of insincerity which will prove you all as Jehovah's False Witnesses.

Address the issue .

jesusjnr:
Obviously this question smacks of the height of spiritual blindness and ignorance of the Way, the Truth, and the Life that Jesus is.

Not surprising it emanated from the highly flawed doctrines of the modern day Pharisees aka Jehovah witnesses that come in the come in the sheep clothing of Jesus disciples.

Proof that human souls can die:

Matthew 10:28 (KJV)

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

My problem with you Jehovah witnesses is why the hypocrisy when you truly don't believe in Jesus?

Thank God it's becoming exposed.

Are you saying Human soul can die ? Doesn't continue to exist after death ?

shadeyinka:
Everlasting life isn't just about living forever!

Everlasting life is about spending your eternity in the presence of God.

Hell Fire was prepared for satan and his angels.
Mat 25:41:
"Then shall he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"

Here, those who have Everlasting Separation (Second Death) from God are put (God's Refuse Dump).

I have explained this to you before: death isn't an annihilation: Death is a Separation or a Disconnection

If Jesus died on the cross, can an unconscious do what He was doing in the Scriptures below:

1Pet 3:19:
"By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison;"

1Pet 4:6:
"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

Define Everlasting LIFE . you ain't talking to a kid @brown .

Simple English . LIFE that is everlasting .

Am waiting

Can someone tell me how what Jesus did is significant if we humans are immortal Souls . An immortal being cannot die, so it's useless saying some one came and gave it everlasting life.

Nutarious

Albhagdadi

Emusan

Shadeyinka

Barristter07

Malvisguy212

Olaadegbu

Bernimoore

Image123

Jesusjnr

Janosky


Other forum members who claims to witness for Jesus

jesusjnr:
It seems you Jehovah witnesses cannot see the extent of your desperation to reduce the Person of Jesus to a servant of God, despite that He was the Son of God, for that's the only reason why you'd go for a translation or version of the Bible that would call Him a "servant of God" instead the "Son of God".

For imagine trying to pin this on Peter a disciple of Jesus who even called the "Son of God" prior to His death, and after His death and resurrection started calling Him servant, Lol!

And you say that I've been humbled in the face of core evidence?

I would help you translate for I think you actually mean core deception, for that's one of the reasons I love the King James version of the Bible, for it has made it impossible for the efforts of your deceptive likes to alter the Truth of the Bible and turn it into your lies.

And here are some of such hard Truths from Peter a true disciple of Jesus for your deluded mind to chew if you could swallow:

Matthew 16:16 (KJV) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Acts 3:13 (KJV)

The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 3:26 (KJV) Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Maybe you can translate all the "Son of God" that Peter said here into "servant of God" with your lying and fake translation.

I wish you good luck with that because you're gonna need plenty of it.

Now that KJV has joined those translation you called Fake, to translate Pais as servant for Jesus, Do you now agree KJV is fake too ?

Has KJV not silence your blabbing mouth now, What do you say ?

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My question is still there, if you witness for Jesus, Explain to me - How Can Jesus give everlasting life to humans that are Already IMMORTAL Souls ?? Does an immortal entity need everlasting life ?

shadeyinka:
Unlike you, I have never failed once to answer your questions or queries with scriptural backings who usually side-step Questions to speak irrelevancies.
All these are repetitions that had been dealt with: go to past threads if you will.

Children of perdition: Sons of Belial!
Get thee behind me Satan!

Yeah where you Lied and couldn't point what u mean by beast is a personality, where you conclude Jesus must have mistaken lake of fire for hell, since you know better than him . Where you went into comma and various lying stunts to explain how Body go to hell


It was the same past thread where you said the rich man has a Spiritual body, Your lying head forget Spiritual body occurs at Ressurection . when you were asked if ressurection has occurred , You went off again into silence.

Past threads indeed . Good you have shown your shallowness on this thread

jesusjnr:
It seems you Jehovah witnesses cannot see the extent of your desperation to reduce the Person of Jesus to a servant of God, despite that He was the Son of God, for that's the only reason why you'd go for a translation or version of the Bible that would call Him a "servant of God" instead the "Son of God".

Did KJV reduce him to servant at Matthew 12:18 ? See how they translate Greek Pais , same word they dubiously translate son at Acts 3:13 , See your life below




" Behold my servant, [Greek Pais] whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased
KJV

For imagine trying to pin this on Peter a disciple of Jesus who even called the "Son of God" prior to His death, and after His death and resurrection started calling Him servant, Lol!

And you say that I've been humbled in the face of core evidence?

I would help you translate for I think you actually mean core deception, for that's one of the reasons I love the King James version of the Bible, for it has made it impossible for the efforts of your deceptive likes to alter the Truth of the Bible and turn it into your lies.

And here are some of such hard Truths from Peter a true disciple of Jesus for your deluded mind to chew if you could swallow:

Matthew 16:16 (KJV) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Acts 3:13 (KJV)

The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 3:26 (KJV) Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Maybe you can translate all the "Son of God" that Peter said here into "servant of God" with your lying and fake translation.

I wish you good luck with that because you're gonna need plenty of it.

Its like you can't comprehend , No one denies Jesus is Son of God . which even prove he was created. father exist before son .

But Pais at Act 3:13 means either a servant or small child , Is Jesus a small boy when glorified ? This is why Servant is the translation of that Greek word . I showed you Act 4:25 where Pais was properly translated by King James as Servant in the case of David . Why the hypocrisy ?

Am speaking scripture , you speaking your head knowledge. More head ache for you

Who is the servant talked about at Isaiah 42:1 ?

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. KJV

Eeyah, Now that KJV calls him servant , IN FACT KJV translate Greek Pais as servant Matthew 12:18 , See hypocrisy oooo , You see your life outside . if I say you should keep shut, you will think its an insult, isn't it obvious now that you have shallow knowledge of the matter u talking about ?

johnw47:
ha ha false jw jozz saying someone else is thoroughly confused

greatly confused know nothing false jw jozz

oh duh, Father God the Holy Spirit is one, not two gods like you polytheist false jw's believe in:
a almighty god the father and a mighty god jesus

go back and read the verses posted, oh typical sieve for a brain false jw

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Even nutarious that quoted it has ran . you are still babbling

Father and holy spirit are two different PERSONS according to Trinity.

So which of them is Jesus Father, Did he have two persons has Father ?

OLAADEGBU:
The words of Jesus is my final authority. He said:

"Give not that which is holy to the dogs, neither cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." -- Matthew 7:6

Scripture doesn't contradict.

You are in darkness until u explain that Act 3:13_ Is God of Abraham NOT differentiated from Jesus ?

TruthinAction:
Not a physical woman.

Woman is woman.
Answer my question: Eve or Hell, which is the first woman ?

shadeyinka:
I wish you had addressed each of the SIX characters of the Holy Spirit I raised but instead, you choose to ignore them to raise your own single point alternate idea. No problem.

It's like a chess game. It's almost impossible to check a king by just one piece. To check a king, you use multiple pieces and the more simultaneously checking the king, the less probable that the opponent can rescue his king. In this case, I gave you SIX simultaneous/concurrent characters of the Holy Spirit to show that He isn't a thing but a being. It's not one or two, but six.

On your objection: why the Holy spirit wasn't included in Mt24:36.
I don't know! Jesus said just what we needed to hear without complicating things for us. And the Holy Spirit is never in the class of Angels. In fact, Jesus taught things that seem scary about the Holy Spirit

Mat 12:31-32:
"Why I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven to men. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whoever speaks against the Holy Ghost , it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

This Scripture is similar to Mt24:36 with respect to your question:
Can you please answer why the Father's Name wasn't mentioned in this Scripture?


In spite of this, I will answer yours

1. Jesus wasn't teaching about God or His personality. Jesus was talking about the knowledge about the "when" the kingdom of God will be established.
2. Jesus didn't teach explicitly EVERYTHING about doctrine to His Disciples
And that's why Jesus said
John 14:26:
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you."

In other words, Jesus didn't explicitly teach or said everything we sight to know as Christians.

3. And the purpose of the Scriptures wasn't to explicitly put down in writing EVERYTHING Jesus said or Did.
John 21:25:
"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."

On your second argument

I will reply you in a question form:
Is God a "someone" or "somebody" or "something"?
Is God then a "No one" or "Nobody" or "Nothing"?

Jumbo jumbo

Hahahahaha a single question has send this guys to comma

Did holy spirit know the DAy and hour ? Matt 24;36

[quote author=nutarious post=79311646][/quote]U are thoroughly confused
If holy spirit also father Jesus, did Jesus have Two fathers ?

johnw47:
continued

THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD


The Holy Spirit is Father God:

Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

^^^ The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Father God, Father God is Spirit, the Holy Spirit is God.




And Father God gives believers another comforter (the Word):


The Holy Spirit is the Word:

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; (Jesus is the truth) whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

@bold, Jesus is letting the Apostles know that He is the Holy Spirit: "he dwelleth with you", Jesus dwelled with the Apostles, "and shall be in you"

Jesus said:
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.





The Holy Spirit is God the Father and the Word, in other words the Holy Spirit is God - God and the Word is God:

Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

if holyspirit is God, does it know the day and hour ?

jesusjnr:
Humbled in the face of core evidence, and back to which matter?

Answer that bolded question in BLUE. face it

Did God ever call His Son His servant and His messenger?

Pais means servant or small child. is Jesus a young child when glorified ? The apostle meant servant!

Don't be religiously foolish, I gave you a concordance of bible words earlier

shadeyinka:
The second Death means the Second Eternal Disconnection from God in the Refuse Dump of God: the lake that burns! For death is a disconnection!

1. Do you think God needs a Lake of Fire to annihilate/kill all the living if that was his objective?
2. Why would God wake up the dead great and small from an unconscious state only to send them back to unconsciousness again?
3. Why would Jesus say :
Mar 9:43-44: "And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched."
If death is just unconsciousness/annihilation.

4. According to your theology what is the Judgement of works in the Scriptures:

Rev 20:12: "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

Rev 20:13: "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."

Don't forget that the righteous will also be judged and Rewarded according to their works

5. You seem to rate and value Jehovah God as you value man. I have asked before: if human being kill a man and it results to unconsciousness and God kills a man and it also results into unconsciousness, what then is the difference? For time doesn't exist in an unconscious state.
Luk 12:4-5: "And I say to you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom you shall fear: Fear him, which after he has killed has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, Fear him."
6. Look at Lk12:4-5 again:
What is to be feared in being cast into hell (the grave according to you) after being Killed?

Is that not what human kings do? They kill you and dump your body into the grave!

As usual, I do NOT expect you to READ nor POUNDER over these questions. The robot spirit will kick in to prevent you from seeing and be saved


The same Bible that says God is Love also says the God is a consuming FIRE!
Heb 12:29:
"For our God is a consuming fire."


I am too sure you will gloss over these questions: but I sincerely pray for you that God will be merciful and tie up momentarily those blinding demons that you may see the web of error you have found yourself in.

Luke 12:45 is a repeat of Matthew 10:28

BODy and Soul should go to hell presently, why not?

Don't bring that lie of hell here means lake of fire because your knowledge of lake of fire is even inconclusive, nonetheless, If Jesus meant Lake of fire he would have said it. He says Hell


Please do you agree BODY go to hell ?

Quoting books u have no understanding about . spits

shadeyinka:
Have you been brainwashed into believing it doesn't exist again.
Rev 20:15:
"And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Rev 21:8:
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Revelation 20:10 will repeat itself
Keep shut, the other time you were asked to explain the beast that was thrown there u went mute, Hey! that beast was thrown into lake of fire while it was ALIVE, if the beast is a personality person, Oh Show us who us this person that was thrown alive into Lake of fire ?

U will revisit topics that humble u earlier on , fine

Cc: Barristter07

TruthinAction:
Isa 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

The Scripture above says hell has opened her mouth. This is consistent with that of Jonah 2:6. Anything that has mouth also a belly.

The vision of Mary Baxter also confirmed it. Jesus told her that hell is a woman lying on her back. Not a physical person but a spiritual one.

Hell is a woman

Between Eve and Hell, which is the first woman ?

jesusjnr:
Why won't it be shallow to a member of the Jehovah witness whose have shown themselves to be anti-Jesus and would go to any length and lie to reduce Jesus from the Son of God that He was to a servant of God that He wasn't?

For the same Peter who said Jesus was the Son of God even before Jesus resurrected and proved Himself so, and all His disciples who shared his view would be shallow to you.

Jesus Himself who said He was the Son of God would be shallow to you.

Even God who said who said that Jesus was His beloved Son in whom He was well pleased would be shallow to you despite your delusion that you are His witnesses.

For the only ones that won't be shallow to you are members of Jehovah witnesses who would say that Jesus is what God never called Him, even a servant of God.

So i'm actually highly honored to be shallow to your anti-Jesus "Jehovah Witness" self.

And don't worry i won't want you to engage you further with "my shallowness" according to you, concerning any other point, so let's leave it at the level of Jesus was never a "servant of God" but always the Son of God, and any attempt by all anti-Jesus Jehovah witnesses combined to change or alter that truth would be dead on arrival as has been proven thus far.

rants, Good you were humbled in the face of core evidence . I hope you won't mistake such next time .

Back to the matter :


If you witness for Jesus , Tell us how Jesus can claim to give everlasting life to humans that are already IMMORTAL souls ?

Show that Jesus death isn't useless, cos an imortal soul doesn't need everlasting life . Waiting

OLAADEGBU:
Yes. Read your Bible.

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto Him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at Him: but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by" (John 8:56-59).

He said that I am not I was, but "Before Abraham was (born), I am; thus declaring that He (Jesus) is the eternally existent One, the Creator and Sustainer of all things.

This is why you don't have any wisdom .

Read Act 3:13, does it not tell you Jesus isnt the same as God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?

jesusjnr:
Herein(The bolded) lies the difference between a Jehovah witness and a Jesus Witness in a nut shell:

Act 3:13 Jehovah witnesses version

" The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified HIS SERVANT , JESUS " - ESV

Acts 3:13 (KJV) Jesus witnesses version

"The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus - KJV


The flaws and lies of Jehovah Witnesses are being exposed more and more by their futile attempt to reduce Jesus the "Son of God" to a servant of God, despite them coming in the guise of Jesus disciples with the deception that they believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the Christ, for if so then why deliberately mistranslate Peter's calling Jesus "the Son of God" to mean "servant of God?

For this saying concerning Jesus emanated from a Jesus witness called Peter and not a Jehovah witness, and to confirm what Peter actually called Jesus, it could be verified by what Peter called Jesus prior His death and resurrection, which "the Son of God and the Christ", that made Jesus say that "flesh and blood has revealed that to him but the Spirit of His Father in heaven"!(Matthew 16:16-19)

So a Jesus witness as Peter would never call Jesus the only begotten Son of God whom God Himself called His beloved Son, God's servant, for that lie could only come out from the mouth of the ignorant such as the Jehovah witnesses.

So Jossy4, nice try, but that Jehovah witnesses lie has been brutally debunked, so try another let's see if it would see the light of day.

Jesusjnr, so your knowledge is this shallow ? Pathetic.

The Greek word pais means servant . or a child [young child ]

Is Jesus a young child when glorified ?

Strong's Concordance
pais: a child, boy, youth
Original Word: παῖς, παιδός, ὁ, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: pais
Phonetic Spelling: (paheece)
Definition: a child, boy, youth
Usage: (a) a male child, boy, (b) a male slave, servant; thus: a servant of God, especially as a title of the Messiah, (c) a female child, girl.
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Receive sense.


The King James version you relied on Actually translated that same Greek word as SERVANT for David at Act 4:25 , Why the HYPOCRISY ?

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Your point can only stand if you admit KJV erred at Act 4:25


Back to the topic.

If you witness for Jesus, Explain to me how Jesus can give everlasting life to Already IMMORTAL SOULS ?

OLAADEGBU:
"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon Him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war" (Rev. 19:11).

"And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS" (Rev. 19:16).

The Lord Jesus Christ is here given 4 names which correspond to the Gospels:

1. King of kings corresponds with the gospel of Matthew where Jesus is presented as the King;
2. Faithful and True corresponds with the gospel of Mark where Jesus is presented as the Servant of God and the important thing about a servant is not his genealogy but his trustworthiness. You need to ask yourself: Is He faithful and truthful? Those are the qualities that are important to note (Rev. 19:11).
3. In the gospel of John Jesus is presented as the Word of God "In the beginning was the Word...And the Word was made flesh..." (John 1:1,14; Rev. 19:13).
4. In the gospel of Luke Jesus is presented as the Son of Man.

The apostle John's eyes were open when he saw heaven opened and he saw Jesus Christ. You need to open the eyes of your heart so that you can see the Lord Jesus for who He is. He is the King of kings and Lord of lords. Jesus is Jehovah.

You Miss the point

Is Jesus the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ?

All men are possessive
Every single one
Any man that denies it is both possessive and also a liar
It is their nature to mark their territory and stay in charge and guard it jealously some are just worse than others
If your man is not a tad possessive,he is either not into you or he is gay

Not all men are like that . In fact been cool get a girl wondering and confused " Did he love me at all ? " . it got them confused on the kind of love you have for them, like that!

johnw47:
why has he courage to post the above verses,
it's because of your twisting of said verses
but it doesn't take courage to face a lying twister of God's word


lie lie barristter
oh duh, the Holy Spirit wasn't specifically mentioned in that verse, however He is God
gabriel wasn't specifically mentioned in that verse either, however he is a angel

all christians know that the Holy Spirit is God
God is a Spirit, who else could the Holy Spirit be but God

some verses showing that the Holy spirit is God:

Psa_99:9 Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.

1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.



Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

God is holy
God is a Spirit
the Holy Spirit is God.

more bible verses showing that the Holy spirit is God to follow

Shut up there , is holy spirit the Father ?

nutarious:
@Barrister07

I notice in Analysis, the same contents must be used as a basis for different group analysing.

Shadeyinka has been using other Bible interpretations and maybe if we used your own interpretation which is the only different one among others there, then we could strike a balance to this Arquement about the Holy Spirit.

My question from the NWT translations is to ask you @barrister who is The Father of Jesus.?


Who is the Father of Jesus?


Your interpretation didn't change that, it said the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus. Follow logic, follow rhema, follow layman's reading. That's what it said.

Then When Jesus said in that Act you quoted that he mentioned the Father and Angels and did not mention the Holy Spirit.


Read your NWT translation again and tell me who fathered Jesus?


I will wait for your Honest review of the Scripture according to Jehovah Witness interpretation.

But try and check some of this scriptures from your interpretations. Let's first get who the Father that Jesus Always talk about first.

Review it well and tell me what you got from your own interpretation


Shalom

Are u now saying the Father is holy spirit ? I thought Trinity says they are different persons .

jesusjnr:
What's flawed and twisting the truth about this saying?

Acts 1:7-8 (KJV)

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall ureceive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

This was Jesus instruction to His disciples and church, and He said that they shall be His witnesses in all parts of the Earth.

So if that is flawed and twisted to you then you do not belong to His church and are not His disciple and hence cannot claim any right to the benefit of the greater covenant made possible by virtue of His shed blood.
To reduce Jesus to the status of just a messenger or servant of God is Judaical or Islamic and the level of the Abrahamic covenant with God, for that was what part of the issues that Jesus had with the disciples of Moses and Jews of His day, and also the issue that Islam has with His church, for they don't have problem with Jesus being regarded as just a messenger or servant or prophet of God, but when He is observed to be more than that as the Son of God etc., for that is when it becomes a serious issue to them.

Hence I ask you and your fellow JWs again, where do you really stand, are you part of His church or not because you cannot claim to be Jesus disciples and a part of His church and yet be acting as Judaists or Islamists by not recognizing the Lordship and authority of Jesus as the Son of God that He is.

For that would be tantamount to just acknowledging Him as the Son of man but not the Son of God.

For Jesus was more than a witness, prophet, messenger, servant of God, because He was the Son of God, and God in the flesh and human form, and the Christ!

That's why after He had asked His disciples what men said about Him, He deliberately asked His disciples "who do you say I am"?(Matthew 16:15-19) because it mattered most what His disciples and those of His church said about Him.

For if you go through the passage you'd see that the people called Him different things like those you have said here that Jesus is, but not what those of His church and disciples ought to call Him which is that He is the Son of God, and the Christ, for it was only after He was called that by His disciples, that He talked about building His church upon that rock and so on because that is an essential basis to be a part of His church and His disciple.

Moreover what Jesus said in Acts 1:8 was not an aberration for He has severally tied the witnessing of His church and His disciples to Himself and His name sake(Matthew 5:11, 10:18, 22, 39, 14:39, 16:25, 19:29, John 15:21) because it was the Will Of God that it be so.

So it was a very deliberate act because His disciples and the church ought to be Jesus witnesses, for hence is God glorified in Him.

Completely debunked!

For I am in absolute consonance with Jesus' message, for Jesus was more than a Jehovah witness, for He was the Son of God and the Christ, and any one who thinks that they can be a part of His church and His disciple without according Him the respect due Him by virtue of the price He paid on the cross, should keep dreaming for it is impossible, for the Father must hence be glorified in the Son.
All the Jehovah witnesses before the coming of Jesus were not a part of His church or His disciples that's why they desired to hear what the disciples heard, and see what the disciples saw, for it was an upgrade of what they had, for Jesus brought something greater than whatever they had(Matthew 13:16-17).

And all Jehovah witnesses after the coming of Jesus are not a part of His church or His disciples, for anyone that negates the authority and Lordship of Jesus over His church is working contrary to the Will of God, for it's the Will of God for God to be glorified in Jesus via His church.

Therefore it ought to be "Jesus Witnesses" and not "Jehovah Witnesses" for thereby is the Father glorified in the Son.

Before the coming of Jesus did you ever heard of the gospel of the Kingdom of God?

It was Jesus that brought the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, and if you could possibly comprehend this, Jesus Himself is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, for He is the Word of God that was made flesh(John 1:1-5, 14)

So if you think you can push the Gospel of God Kingdom, that came from heaven became flesh and died on the cross for man's sins, aside, you would tell us how you expect to get to God who is in heaven. Already addressed this, for they were neither part of Jesus' church nor His disciples, and what they had was lesser than what the Jesus Witnesses had, so it's understandable that they were only "Jehovah Witnesses" and not "Jesus Witnesses". Can you explain this statement because it gives the impression that you JWs are a confused lot, for how can Jesus be your Master when you don't keep His Word and are answering Jehovah witnesses instead of Jesus Witnesses as He commanded His disciples to be?
The bolded can only emanate from someone who does not belong to His church or is not His disciple, for it smacks of rebellion, lies, and Ignorance of the Truth.


Moreover there's no single instance in the whole of the Bible where Jesus was called a servant of God, not once for even when God spoke concerning Him, He addressed Him as "My beloved Son" so it's obvious where you're coming from is the highly flawed JW doctrine which you observe.

No that's a lie from the highly flawed gospel of the Jehovah Witnesses, for in Truth you sound like the lying and hypocritical Pharisees who opposed Jesus and picked up stones to throw at His for calling God His Father, and posing Himself as more than the Jehovah Witnesses which their forefathers were.

Jesus is the Son of God, the Word of God, The Truth, the Way, and the Life, the Christ, etc., and far more than a Jehovah Witness, and any Jesus witness is greater than any Jehovah witness(Matthew 11:11-13).

A ridiculous attempt to compare a Jesus witness, who said Jesus was as the Son of God and the Christ, to a Jehovah witness, for the least "Jesus witness" is greater than the greatest "Jehovah witness"!

Luke 7:28 (KJV)

For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

Your entire write up keep saying Jesus should be recognized as Son of God and Christ, And in your corrupted mind , Jehovah's witnesses do not believe Jesus is Son of God and Christ ? ? ? ?

In fact they believe so, much more than you do ...
You don't even know that you are an enemy of this same Christ if you rubbish the sacrifice he came to earth to do . . My question to you remain : How can Jesus give everlasting life to already immortal beings ?


@ Green, BiG LIE ... Act 3:13


" The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified HIS SERVANT , JESUS " - ESV

This questions your stand on this thread , throwing lies up and down

OLAADEGBU:
He is the God of the Bible. The God of Creation. The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.

You just confess Jesus isn't the true God

Act 3:13

" The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob , the God of our forefathers, has glorified HIS SERVANT , JESUS "

Jesus is a servant of the God you mentioned. I hope your eyes are open ?

jesusjnr:
Jesus said to His disciples:

Acts 1:7-8 (KJV)

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Now Jesus in clear terms told His disciples they would be His witnesses, so how come you who call themselves "Jehovah Witnesses" instead of "Jesus Witnesses" claim to be the disciples of Jesus that Jesus gave this instruction?

Jesus is talking about the work his disciples will do, Concerning the work of witnessing about Jesus, We do that !!!


We don't rubbish Christ ransom sacrifice like some people do who claim humans have immortal soul, abeg, How can Jesus give everlasting life to already immortal beings ?

If you fall in this category, u should be ashamed of yourself for opening this thread.



Instead we emphasise the role of Christ in Gods purposes very well .

You ought to come and explain this contradiction, because it seems there's something you aren't telling us by the name you chose to be called alone, for the name Jehovah Witnesses suggest that you are more Judaists(Moses disciples) than Jesus disciples.

Jesus came in the Name of the Father , didn't he ?

Sense is needed here , remember Jesus himself is a Jehovahs witness ( Isa 43:10)

And this reflects In your doctrines for despite that you come In the Jesus disciples clothings, your doctrine gives you away as the otherwise, for instead of emphasizing the following of Jesus and His teachings as the true disciples of Jesus should, you emphasize the following of Jehovah Witnesses and the importance of becoming a member of your group as though that determines who is saved or not saved.

But it's not far-fetched for already going by the name "Jehovah Witnesses" you are not following the instructions of Jesus to His disciples who He said would be His witnesses, and perhaps you feel that Jesus is not worthy to be witnessed.

So you have the opportunity to defend your choice of the name "Jehovah Witnesses" instead of "Jesus Witnesses", if you indeed be true disciples of Jesus.

Thank you.

John 5:43 " I have come in my Fathers name "

Jesus came in the Name of his Father , everything he said was as Told by the Father in whose name he comes, why are you so angered we recognize The Father ?

Now back to the issue, if you witness for Christ, answer my Question in Red . OR ELSE you will discover you are fighting as an enemy of Christ .

I am waiting.