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haywizzy007:
I dare anyone of them to answer that question..

They are bunch of confusionist

This guy is a confirm Joke!

shadeyinka:
The rich man in Lk16: was buried but found himself in Hell

Hell ?

What is the Greek equivalent of Sheol ?

Did Hades appear in. That place or not ?

Luk 16:22-23:
"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom

Uhmmm the beggars corpse was not buried , but carried off by angels ! Does such happen today if the story is real ?

: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

Only JW don't know that there is a difference between Hell and the Lake of Fire!


Your question was, "Did he leave his hands behind in the grave?"

He has his eyes and tongue, which Body is that ? Human body ? It says Hell not lake of fire Olodo

OLAADEGBU:
Don't get confused with the word eternal life. Eternity is the word you need.

"He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end" (Ecclesiastes 3:11) NASB

God has set eternity in the hearts of humanity. If you know you know.

He didn't set eternal life in their heart, u have confess yourself that every Soul LIVes ( LIFE ) eternally. Meaning Jesus didn't give any eternal life, we already have it

Jesus is ashamed of you

shadeyinka:
They are in Paradise! That is the same place Abraham is!

Luk 23:43:
"And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, To day shall you be with me in paradise."

Paradise isn't on the earth!

2Cor 12:2-4:
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven . And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows; ) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.".

Where did the Bible said Abraham went to Paradise ?

Don't be silly

shadeyinka:
I think only you understand your question.

Evans was arrested and the question someone like you ask is:
[b]"Did he get arrested with his two hands?"
[/b]I don't get it! Can a question be dumber than this?

You truly don't know chi chi

Are people in hell presently now ?

Why are their two hands not following them ?

Why is it buried ?

Do u have sense now?

shadeyinka:
Only fake translations would translate the Greek HADES to Grave in Rev 20:13. The interlinear Greek English is presented in the attached picture.

If this is your best answer
Do you now agree that there is not a single passage in the New Testament that refer to or describes the grave as Hell!

What is the Greek equivalent of Sheol ?

You no no nothing

Dumb question! A very stupid question.

It's just like saying:
Is it true that the hands of a prisoner go into Prison?

How many of such have u seen ? Or is Jesus lying ni ?

haywizzy007:
That means their spirits went to heaven immediately they died..

Will you now admit that Abraham and Isaac were in heaven before the Lord Jesus came to the Earth?

Good question!

Did they make heaven without Jesus ?

Cc: aLBHAGDADI, shadeyinka . since their spirit make heaven before Jesus

alBHAGDADI:
That guy is a disgrace. He thinks people can't see through his folly and dubious tactics. If I were him, I will just shaemfully exit thread. But in order to save face and make it seem like he's still going on strong in the debate, he decides to employ those evasive and distractive tactics.

He doesn't know that he's only exposing himself as people can see clearly. He thinks Nairalanders are toddlers.

I think Naira landers know the one who is confuse, a good bible student should not even ask that question. Are u aware that Hell is rendered Grave in many Bible translation at Rev 20:13 ? To debunk your lie, how is that even related to the thread . but you have your answer already

jesusjnr:
Is the human soul like the human body?

You should just admit that you Jehovah witnesses don't believe in Jesus or His saying, so stop pretending to His disciples when you're not!

This matter has already been settled that a human soul can die, and that's gives credence to the death of Jesus which was purposed by God to redeem it from that death.

You CNT say the soul die and still believe it lives on . two opposite things, Either you are gambling, confused or deluded. Or is it a mistake again ? Explain yourself MR

Barristter07:
Does " Die " now takes a different meaning from what it means in the statement " body dies " ?

If its different, can you explain how the soul die, let's see if it doesn't have eternal life by default ?


Cc: jozzy4

Nice thread

Jesusjnr tell us how the soul die.

We know when the body die, explain that of soul, is it the same thing

Barristter07:
Getting interesting I must say. I still don't know why someone who believes in eternal torment not just admit the wicked also have everlasting life. In that case , Jesus did nothing special . how much it must have hurt Christ to see all this False doctrines and tradition of man obscure Gods gift to man ?

Their sense didn't open to that. They are anti Jesus big tyme

Barristter07:
The problem you have is you do not make research , is your ignorant mind aware that the Greek word translated natural means PHYSICAL ?

I doubt it!

The ISV and some others translated that verse thus

" The spiritual does not come first, but the physical does, and then comes the spiritual. "


Bringing it clearer. Should in case you couldn't comprehend why Jozzy4 quoted that, let me explain:


For the scripture to contrast spiritual with physical showed both are opposite, the physical can be seen, touched , but the spiritual cannot be seen nor touched.

So you have a problem here

1. Did Jesus resurrect with a spiritual [NOT physical ] body ? Or that scripture at 1Cor 15:44 is a LIE

2. That which appeared to his disciples is physically felt, is that is real body ?

Thank you .

OLAADEGBU:
"And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent" (John 17:3).

Immortality of the human soul means the soul cannot be annihilated after death, it lives on eternally either in eternal life in the presence of God or eternal death separated apart from God in the lake of fire.

Lives on eternally, Lives indicate LIfe , and its eternal.

Just conclude everybody has everlasting life by default, Jesus death is useless. Accepted ?

If not that your heart is waxed too, Mr Explain and tell this thread if those wey dey hell have their body with them ?

jesusjnr:
It seems Jesus was actually talking about the Jehovah witnesses when He said this to His disciples:

"Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." Matthew 13:11-15 (KJV)

For that's the only explanation why the simple saying of Jesus that God is able to kill and destroy both the soul and body in hell which has completely debunked this thread is yet being questioned by the Jehovah witnesses.

For when people's hearts are waxed gross to the Truth, there's no point trying to speak the Truth to their heart, because it would be impossible for their heart to be able to understand and accept the Truth.

So that's it from me on this Jehovah witness thread that has waxed gross.

shadeyinka:
No one ever disputed that.
In the old testament, almost every reference to hell means the grave or the place where the dead goes(sheol) or a place of sorrow depending on the context.

In the new testament none of the reference to hell refer to the grave but a place of torment and punishment.

The problem is that JW wish to hide the fact that hell exists so they put all reference to hell to mean grave. That is very wrong.

Can you find a single new testament verse that calls or describes hell as the grave?

Do you know how many translations translate Rev 20:13 hell as Grave ? Barrister said u lack understanding , it's so glaring.

Mar 9:43:
"And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:"

In JW dictionary, does fire burn in the grave!?

Abeg, answer : Are the people In hell together with their two hands oooooooo ?

jesusjnr:
Coming from a Jehovah witness whose hearts is waxed gross to the knowledge of the Truth, i'm not surprised.

Admit i lied?

What would that mean to a member of a group of liars and hypocrites called Jehovah witnesses?

Notwithstanding it's not a lie, for It would only be a lie if I knew He was called a servant in the Bible (KJV) and said He wasn't that it would be a lie.

But don't you think that would be silly to do that, since the Bible (KJV) is easily accessible?

So it was a only mistake and a minor at that since it was only in the instance of Prophet Isaiah that Jesus was called a servant, besides it was in the same instance of Prophet Isaiah that Jesus was also called Immanuel which translates to God is with us(Isaiah 7:14, 8: and also called the mighty God and everlasting Father.

So if you accept Isaiah's calling of Jesus servant of God then it also means that Jesus is the mighty God and everlasting Father to you otherwise your use of the instance of Prophet Isaiah to justify Jesus being a servant of God is hence rendered invalid.

Therefore that doesn't disprove of my saying that Jesus was not a servant of God but a Son of God for if anything it was an aberration.

Now did you go through those texts I gave to you that distinguished the difference between a son and a servant?

Let me just quote one to help you:

John 8:34-36 (KJV)

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Now can you see why the emphasis that Jesus is not a servant of God but the Son of God?

You can also use other texts I gave to you to distinguish the difference, but if you're not yet able after that, then your case is beyond me.

excuses of a lying man. Caught red handed . who even know how many lies you have update on NL only to call mistake later . next time shut your mouth if you have no idea

alBHAGDADI:
You are not reading at all. I made a statement and back it up with an explanation. But you crop out the statement and based a post on it without reading the explanation. That's shameful.




You are the one disgracing yourself here. You say Jesus resurrected to be a spirit, right? You also say a spirit doesn't have flesh, right? Below is the Jesus you claim is a spirit talking.

Luke 24:39
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.




Since Jesus is resurrected as a spirit, how come he said he was flesh and bones which you say is physical? You say spirit can't be touched because it's not physical, but the same Jesus was touched by Thomas.

John 20:24-29 (KJV)
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

You are proving silly with each post, what is physical isn't spiritual ! 1 Corinthians 15:46 . that's not a spiritual body

shadeyinka:
I couldn't help but marvel at what the watchtower organisation has done to your reasoning faculty.
So,please correct your organisation since you now know that they err!

The quote:
Since his body was that which was nailed, how come [b] Jesus spirit body bore the marks of Crucifixion? Don't tell me it is to boost the faith of Thomas
It was your Watchtower Organisation that said Jesus resurrected as a spirit body and went on to defend that which you now consider as stupidity


https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-body/

So they call that which have mark " spiritual body ? "

Comprehension is affecting you, didn't you see materialize in there .

You who believe human are spirits, how come you have flesh and bones ? Illogical!

A human being is a Spirit

U must be sleeping does a spirit have flesh?

A human being is a Soul
A human being is a Body
All at the same time: that is the trinity of Man.

That is why the Rich man even though was physically dead, he wasn't unconscious.

The rich man was physically alive when speaking to Abraham, Has the ressurection occur ?

That is why at transfiguration, Moses and Elijah were with Jesus.

Vision . get sense

alBHAGDADI:
Stop being brain dead while thinking g ithees are the ones that are brain dead.

You are not saying anything that is clear. One line of sentence, especially when it's a question doesn't serve as an answer to detailed explanation.

Didn't 1 Corinthians 15:46 differentiate what is spiritual from that which is physical ( seen ) ? ?

How could a spiritual being be Physical ?

U are on a hot seat .

shadeyinka:
Can you see that it's you who doesn't know the Scriptures beyond what your organisation dropped down your throat?
What did Jesus say?

John 20:17:
"Jesus said to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brothers, and say to them, I ascend to my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

Can you see that it's you in error?

Good. U admit that spirit isn't Jesus
That demand the Question: What is that spirit that return to the Father ? ? ? ( Luke 23:46)

The post was about the Thief who is supposed to be unconscious according to your doctrine
Please, answer this question: where do you think that thief in question is?
Paradise?
Hell?
Grave?
If the Thief is in paradise, how could he be unconscious?

Any prove that Jesus and the thief went to Paradise ?

If you had answered the questions about Paul and John, you wouldn't be asking such a thoughtless question. The questions was about HOW they perceived the spirit realm!

Please stop avoiding answering my questions: After answering my questions and you think you also have a counter Question feel free to roll it out but don't bury the Questions I asked you under deliberate distractions.

The post is about the condition of the dead not how some people perceive the spirit realm in visions.

Emusan:
The problem you're having isn't lack of comprehension only but couple with literature review.

Jesus first statement was "who can kill the body but not able to kill the soul"

This is in reference to man

This simply means two different things are involved here "BODY" and "SOUL"

MAN can kill the BODY but can't Kill the SOUL

This is a plain proof that BODY is different from SOUL

True or false?

This destroyed your claim that SOUL and person are the same.

The second part read "fear him who can destroy both body and soul in hell"

Looking at this statement without academic bias one can see that this overhauled what MAN can't do against THE SOUL in the first statement.

Is this true or not?

It simply means Only God can decide to either Ressurect a soul or destroy it completely .

But man can only kill the body , but not the Life ( or existence )

God gives a resurected person a new body, since the former was killed , But the exact same person returns to Live

Lastly, your reference to "BODY and SOUL in hell" means you didn't understand the scripture because hell has different meanings...

Hahaha, So what does hell means here ?
Again: Body and soul in hell

Now, let me turn this to you, if someone killed a wicked man it means the wicked will not resurrect according to your theology. Now compare this with the statement of Jesus isn't that means the person who killed the wicked man KILLED HIS BODY AND SOUL? which is what Jesus said no man can do.

Who judges him as Wicked so as not to deserve Ressurection ?

alBHAGDADI:
A natural body = flesh, bones and blood.

A spiritual body = flesh and bones WITHOUT blood

The natural body is powered by the blood, while the spiritual body is powered by the spirit which comes back into it. That spirit has been given eternal life, so therefore the body of flesh and bones will never die again.

That's why Job boldly said he will see God in his flesh.

Job 19:26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:


Your problem is that when you see spiritual body, you think of it as just spirit. You simply leave out the body part in the spiritual body and just go with the word spiritual alone. That is why you see it as spirit. But Jesus Christ said spirits don't have flesh and bones. This means the spiritual body spoken of below is not spirit but a body with everlasting life


1 Corinthians 15:44
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Get enlightened

Spiritual isn't physical - 1 Cor 15:46

alBHAGDADI:
A natural body = flesh, bones and blood.

A spiritual body = flesh and bones WITHOUT blood

The natural body is powered by the blood, while the spiritual body is powered by the spirit which comes back into it. That spirit has been given eternal life, so therefore the body of flesh and bones will never die again.

Brain dead analysis, so the natural body doesn't have spirit ?

Again I repeat, Physical is Material, it can be touched, Spiritual is not Material .

So that body isn't spiritual

That's why Job boldly said he will see God in his flesh.

Job 19:26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:


Your problem is that when you see spiritual body, you think of it as just spirit. You simply leave out the body part in the spiritual body and just go with the word spiritual alone. That is why you see it as spirit. But Jesus Christ said spirits don't have flesh and bones. This means the spiritual body spoken of below is not spirit but a body with everlasting life


1 Corinthians 15:44
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Anything spiritual isnt PHysical. It not material

So your definition is wrong !!!

alBHAGDADI:
Sorry dude, he didn't ascend to heaven the day he died.

So what's that spirit that return to the Father ? Luke 23:46

The Bible said his soul went to hell but was not left there cos he resurrected.

Body and soul in hell , remember ?

Do u mean Grave ?

You haven't shown any flaw in the OP, you are just asking dumb questions.

By now, you should know u are in for a tough one

alBHAGDADI:
1.) Yes, not the same body. Your problems is that you don't understand the difference. One is prone to die while the other will never die again. Isn't that difference enough? Since you people claim to believe your dead ones will resurrect again and never die again, isn't it stupid to say it's the same componential body they resurrect with? If it's the same body composition, how come one was prone to death and the other won't be? There lies the difference - one is natural with blood while the other that doesn't die is spiritual with eternal life

hahahaha Lollllllzzzzzzz

But John 2:19 says Demolish this temple, and I will raise it up..
So its a different BODY that was Raised ? Eeyah

Please where was the former body kept ?

2.) Spiritual body doesn't mean it is spirit. Stop being foolish. It is spirit in the sense that it will never die just as spirits don't die. If it will die, then it is a natural body. Stop coming up with lame comebacks.

Spiritual is from the word SPIRIT.

It shouldn't have flesh! Don't disgrace yourself this man

3.) Once again, spiritual body doesn't mean it is a spirit. Spiritual body is defined as flesh and bones without blood which will never die. That is what we will be when we resurrect just like Jesus.

Flesh and bones are MATERIAL . it can be touched, physical ... What is spiritual isn't physical

Get sense .

You are disgrace to Jehovah's False Witnesses. You should have done like your other colleagues who have been avoiding this thread because they couldnt find a way around it.

No one avoid the thread, they are just bewildered by your level of ignorance

shadeyinka:
1. If the spirit of man is the breath of life, is this breath the Physical breathing in and out?
2. Since God is a Spirit, what did He breath into man (Physical or Spiritual).

Your question:
If spirit of man is a person, does it mean the person of Jesus ascend to heaven the day he die ? Luke 23:46

1. Jesus preached to the spirits in "prison" who erred in the days of Noah
1Pet 3:19:
"By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison;"

So Jesus went to prison NOT the Father ?

I thought his spirit return to the Father .

Keep contradicting yourself,

1Pet 4:6:
"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."
2. Is the Grave the same as Paradise? For if the spirit of man is just breath of life, as soon as the Thief died he should be in the grave and not paradise!
Luk 23:43:
"And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, To day shall you be with me in paradise."
Jesus said: to day NOT on the day of Resurection!

Confused person

So its now Paradise that Jesus go ? Not prison anymore ?

3. Did Paul Physically or Spiritually get caught in Paradise? If it was spiritually, with which ear did he hear those unspeakable words?
2Cor 12:4:
"How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Paul isn't dead . this doesn't help your case

Same with John of the book of Revelation:
Rev 1:10-11:
"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What you see, write in a book, and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."
With which ear or eyes did he see and hear the Revelation of things to come?

Is John dead ?

4. The person of Jesus went to the place "prison or hell" where disobedient souls as far back as the days of Noah were kept AND preached to them.

[quote]Where is hell written there. Are victims of flood In hell or sea ? Rev 20:13

Again I ask: Paradise, prison or the Father ... To where did Jesus spirit return ?

U keep exposing your shallow knowledge through contradiction

[quote]If they (these spirits) were unconscious, how come they could hear?

Human who died in the sea are not in hell, so your question is pointless

And if you (assume these spirits are angels) how did Jesus preach to them for He is supposed to be unconscious?

The verse says put to death in flesh [as a human being] , Made alive in spirit [ As a Spirit being ], by which he went .

So Can't you see he was Ressurected before he preaches ?

shadeyinka:
I am so amazed that you didn't understand this script



You (JW) say Jesus was Resurected Spiritually and not Physically:
The question I ask then follows: if Jesus spirit materialized like angels do (as taught in https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-body/) when they come to the earth where is the physical body of Jesus?

Since his body was that which was nailed, how come [b] Jesus spirit body bore the marks of Crucifixion? Don't tell me it is to boost the faith of Thomas

A spirit body doesn't have FLesh, correct yourself.

Jesus categorically said that he isn't a spirit but real flesh and bones.

You who believe human are spirits, how come you have flesh and bones ? Illogical! That's what am asking you, you are probing yourself

jesusjnr:
Can you hear your hypocrisy?

I believe in Jesus and what He says, so what Jesus said there is what i'm saying, and that's why I provided it for you as proof that the human soul can die.

So instead of asking me hypocritical questions, why not just plainly state if you believe what Jesus said there is true or not?

For it's impossible to believe what Jesus said and yet not believe that the human soul can die.

Except you're saying that something can be killed or be destroyed and yet not die.

Die like the Body dies ?

Emusan:
Where did you read that?

The verse pointed out that only God has power to destroy human soul ...why is simple English so difficult for you people to understand?

I won't want to drag this with u again, Or else you make a scene of yourself . keep in mind it says Body and soul in Hell


So this soul we are talking about is not an immaterial entity, its together with the Body in that same Hell of your translation.

Emusan, are people u believe are in hell presently with their BODIES ?

malvisguy212:
your question is wrong, what do you understand by the word "soul" ? what did the Bible teach about soul ? can soul die ?
this question demand that we both must be in agreement of what the Bible teach about soul.

A good start will be. can a soul die ? the Bible say YES . who is able to destroyed soul ? the Bible say God .

You guys are contradicting yourself .

Can something destroyed by God still have EVERLASTING LIFE In HELL ?

alBHAGDADI:
1 Corinthians 15:44
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Paul said there's a spiritual and a natural body. If both contain the same components, then there won't be any need for then to go by different names. But since they are similar in certain ways and also different in certain ways, then we see the need for having different names. One has blood while the other doesn't

I thought its the same body that died that was ressurected ? why the difference ?

All those who were resurrected back to life in the Bible came back with their natural body which had blood which is the life of the flesh cos they had to live on. Example is Lazarus.And thats why they all later died. But Jesus resurrected in a spiritual body which didn't have blood, and that is the same kind of body we will resurrect in and never be prone to death again.

You lied, going by the statement a spirit does not have flesh and bones, That's not a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

According to you, you expect Jesus to resurrect a natural man again. That will still make him prone to death like Lazarus who came back a natural man and later died. When we christians resurrect, we are going to be as Jesus is, in a spiritual body which can never die again.

Its not spiritual, didn't he appear in flesh ?

The natural body is prone to death, diseases sickness, while the spiritual body is not. If this difference is not enough to answer your question, then you are dumb for believing that Jesus resurrected in a natural body and will also resurrect his disciples in their natural body to face those flaws again. Can you see how dumb your reasoning is?

Your problem is that you lack understanding of the difference between the natural and the spiritual body. You even couldn't defend all your doctrines which the OP debunked here. All you've been doing is going about asking questions already answered by the OP. Read the OP again with a careful mind.

Go back and comprehend. Properly

jesusjnr:
It a shame you can't even hear the hypocrisy, inconsistency and irony in your statement?

They "dubiously" because they used "Son of God" for Jesus, but when they use "servant of God" as the Jehovah witnesses truly view Jesus, they translate it correctly, Lol!

That's why I love King James Version because the translators didn't allow personal sentiments and opinion as the Jehovah witnesses to influence their translations, for if they had sentiments or any ulterior motive against Jesus being called the "servant of God" they wouldn't never have used the word servant here to depict Jesus.

So that has completely debunked your allegation against the KJV being dubious, for they are just being consistent with translating it objectively, as the same use of "servant" to describe Jesus is consistent with their translation of prophet Isaiah's saying which goes:

Isaiah 42:1 (KJV)

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

So if there is anyone dubious or with any ulterior motivated translations, it's the Jehovah witnesses, for it is influenced by their doctrinal sentiments and opinions.

Comprehend ignorance?

For you don't even know that the Jesus is the Word of God, and the Word of God existed in the beginning with God, before it was sown by God as a seed in the womb of Mary, for that's how the Word of God was made flesh, and the Word of God became the Son of God, which is Jesus. John 1:1-3, 14.

The truth is that Jehovah witnesses are hypocrites, for you don't truly see Jesus as the Son of God that God called Him in spite of your pretense, that's why you would want to reduce Him to a mere servant and messenger.

I mean, see how uncomfortable it is for you to call Jesus who He was, even the Son of God but if it's servant of God, you would have no reservations.

For if you really opine that Jesus as the Son of God, tell me what informed that opinion?

For if it's really true that Jesus is the Son of God, then how can you possibly view a Son as a mere servant?

For if you are a son and you serve your father and do your father's will, does that make you his servant?

If you as a son is called your father's servant it's an aberration, for a Son is a Son and a servant is a servant!

You Jehovah witnesses seem not to be able to comprehend the difference between a servant and a son, so here are some Biblical texts that can teach you that for free: Matthew 21:33-41, Luke 15:12-32, John 8:35-36.

So ensure you take your time to go through it so that you can learn what distinguishes a son from a servant, and hence why i've kept stressing this point.

This has already been debunked by The KJV use of servant to depict Jesus in the other instance to prove that its translations of Jesus as the Son of God are not ulterior motivated or dubious, but accurately and objectively translated.

For they use servant where servant applied as in that of David, and Son where Son applied as in that of Jesus.

Anything suggestion of the otherwise is totally unfounded and baseless.

More headache. Lol!

Something already debunked. Maybe you are the one with the headache for repeating a saying that you had already used to label the KJV dubious, for you don't even know that it's the same saying of Isaiah in Isaiah 42:1 that was quoted in Matthew 12:18.

More head ache indeed. I think with the benefit of hindsight, you you would have observed how ridiculous and ironic this your comment is and scrapped it, for if there's anyone with proven shallow knowledge on this matter, it's certainly not me.

For the KJV has proven why I like it, for it's objective and totally devoid of the doctrinal sentiments that marr the Jehovah witnesses preferred translations.

You are so silly , if only you know the gravity of what you just typed

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Moreover there's no single instance in the whole of the Bible where Jesus was called a servant of God, not once

Let me remind you: you once said Jesus was not called servant in the bible, Do u now admit you lied ?