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achorladey:
Jozzy4: Read The bold again and again.

Achorladey: This is the bold part you are talking about........."If he were on earth , he would not be a priest"

and did you see this in response to the bolded

"You want him to PRESENT HIS SACRIFICE in the temple in JERUSALEM that has been ABANDONED? Eh Eh".

And what did the response of mine tell you about Hebrews 8:4?

Jozzy4: its obvious you didn't take your time to reflect on it.

Achorladey: Check the above If I didn't.

Jozzy4: Nobody discuss Christ appearing invisbly a second time

Achorladey: was it not your friends attempt to answer the question posed previously restated here....

Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

Jozzy4: but his position as priest and King is Heavenly not earthly.

Achorladey: The reason Jesus said in Matthew 28:18......

Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Jozzy: If he would be on earth which is your position,

Achorladey: This is the question again.......

Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

Jozzy4 he won't be a priest ! Likewise those in the new covenant with him as priests.

Achorladey: You might want to read Revelation 5:10

You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will REIGN ON THE EARTH.”

At bold, your translation gave you away . if he were ON EARTH, he won't be a priest !

cc: Captivator, Barristter07

achorladey:
Jozzy4: A SPIRIT can't be seen SIMPLE.

Achorladey: So what does that tell you about the body of Christ after resurrection? Heavenly or still earthly! After all God is a SPIRIT.

Jozzy4: He would have proceed to heaven immediately and instantly and Get the heavenly body, but due to further assignments... He therefore materialized a body of flesh all through the forty days , Just as captivator pointed out.


Achorladey: Obviously you agree Jesus Christ MATERIALIZE to do such assignment. Why did Jesus had to MATERIALIZE if HIS HEAVENLY body is absent as at then?

Jozzy4: If the reference was to Jehovah, Romans 6:9 would be a lie.

Achorladey: Here is what is under consideration

2 Corinthian 5 can enligthen you, when discussing the difference in the Two bodies , he said it's important to get the one from heaven , so they won't be find " Naked" In their spirit being state.

Jesus materialize so as not to he found naked. All through the 40 days , he was seen in that materialized body, does not mean he changed body. Heavenly body is for heaven

"The first one described in the Bible as REWARDED WITH the GIFT of IMMORTALITY is JESUS CHRIST. That HE did NOT POSSESS IMMORTALITY before his RESURRECTION".......................... the insight book


1 Timothy 6:16 He ALONE POSSESSES IMMORTALITY and lives in UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen.

The scripture did not use "REWARD WITH GIFT of IMMORTALITY" the scripture states he ALONE POSSESSES IMMORTALITY.

Are we still talking about Christ in that scripture?

Jozzy4: It says King of Kings and Lord of Lords , a title applied to Jesus Christ ( Revelation 19:16) . he was been compared to other kings and so called Lords .

Achorladey: My point of discussion is not about title or no title.

To whom is that title applied in the scripture ?

Am defending my strong position that it a reference to Jesus .

achorladey:
John 14:19 says The world will see me no more



Jozzy4: It says " those" not just that soldier alone. Plural

Achorladey: Revelation 1:7 Look! He is returning with the clouds, and EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM,
even those who pierced him, and all the tribes on the earth will mourn because of him.
This will certainly come to pass! Amen.


Jozzy4: Matthew 23:33 is still there for you. Gehenna await those religious leaders that pierce him . No ressurection

According to the ALMIGHTY Jozzy4 abi? You are the one making case for THOSE and not soldiers ALONE but now the THOSE has become "RELIGIOUS LEADERS". Is it the RELIGIOUS LEADERS ALONE? Hahahahahaha.

Jozzy4: How could they now see him?

Achorladey: Confused LITERALIST or expert FIGURATIVES. Which one?

As long as you remember the explanation above given by as to why the religious leaders will not see him AGAIN is from LITERAL point of view, its now your PALAVER to sort with your friend.


Jozzy4: In heaven

Achorladey: This must be your response to the following........"They are all UNDER HIS SUBJECTION right from start"

On EARTH nko?

Jozzy4: Christ is seated on earth ? Captivator keep asking where is Jesus throne located, heaven or earth?

Achorladey: He has my response concerning that based on the scripture he cited already.

Jozzy4: I saw it clearly it says he raised us up and seated us in the heavenly places. They are not even dead yet talkless of been raised up . its a future event spoken in the present with certanity. they will be with Christ in the heavenly places.

Achorladey: This is what you state you saw clearly

Were those the account in that Ephesians directed to already in the HEAVEN, do THEY have HEAVENLY BODIES as at THEN. Hahahahaha!

You have equally repeated the response of your friend, nothing new to see

Will they eventually go there ? Yes!

If you disagree, Was Paul lying about God raising them up and sitting in the heavenly places ? I need an answer

achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR: The Lord lied?

Achorladey: Show me how JESUS lied in his words recorded in

Matthew 24:30.....Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, AND THEY WILL SEE the SON of MAN coming on the CLOUDS of HEAVEN with power and great glory.

John 14:19 says The world will see me no more

CAPTIVATOR: those men are dead and rotten in the dust of the earth. so how could that be?

Achorladey: If a man dies can he LIVE AGAIN? asked the famous JOB. Since Jesus said they will SEE HIM with THEIR EYES who are you to tell him HOW COULD THAT BE? Is Jesus Christ hands now short to do whatever he wants. All authority in heaven and on earth is with him.

CAPTIVATOR: Confused literalist.

Achorladey: Expert on FIGURATIVES.

It says " those" not just that soldier alone. Plural
Matthew 23:33 is still there for you. Gehenna await those religious leaders that pierce him . No ressurection
How could they now see him ?

CAPTIVATOR: The same Jesus said it is FINISHED, but a good Bible student knew that statement itself doesn't mean the ransom was paid immediately but it only an assurance of things to come, when he would appear before the Father in the heavens to obtain deliverance for adamic mankind.

Achorladey: You have entered into FINISHED palaver again. When was it paid oga CAPTIVATOR then?

9: 28 so also the Christ was OFFERED ONCE for all TIME to bear the SINS of MANY; and the second time that he appears it will be apart from SIN, and HE WILL be SEEN by THOSE EARNESTLY LOOKING for him for THEIR SALVATION

CAPTIVATOR: Same thing with his statement about been GIVEN authority, that occurs when he returned to heaven, Study Daniel 7:13,14 very well and read 1Pet 3:22.

Achorladey: What about Matthew 28:18, it's EARTHLY not HEAVENLY. The same GIVEN recorded one is a PROPHECY, one it's FULFILLMENT, what do you think OGA CAPTIVATOR?

This is 1 Peter 3:22.....He is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.

Colossians 1: 15,16....for all things in heaven and on earth were created in him—all things, whether visible or invisible, whether thrones or dominions, whether principalities or powers—all things were created through him and for him. 17 He himself is before all things and all things are held together in him.

They are all UNDER HIS SUBJECTION right from start.

In heaven

He has FINISHED what was ASKED of him the reason he rightly state what is recorded in Matthew 28:18-20. The best part is Jesus didn't need to ASCEND to HEAVEN to state it.

CAPTIVATOR: 1Pet 3:22 " He is at Gods right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels AND AUTHORITIES and powers were made subject to him "
That occurred when he got to heaven.

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been GIVEN to me.

This occurred RIGHT HERE ON EARTH before he got to HEAVEN. It's what you have you give. Not what you don't have.

CAPTIVATOR: Christ is seated in the heavenly places now and in the Coming system of things.


Achorladey: and the question remains the same......

Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

Christ is seated on earth ? Captivator keep asking where is Jesus throne located , heaven or earth ?

CAPTIVATOR: U can't change this sorry

Achorladey: Change what, change Matthew 28:18 that it was until he got back to HEAVEN what he said came to effect. Hahahahaha.

CAPTIVATOR: Thank you!!!

Achorladey: For what?

CAPTIVATOR: This proved Christ and his co rulers would all be in heaven.

Achorladey: Were those the account in that Ephesians directed to already in the HEAVEN, do THEY have HEAVENLY BODIES as at THEN. Hahahahaha!

CAPTIVATOR: Paul was speaking of something that's certain to occur!

Achorladey: That's certain to occur! E get as e be.

1 Corinthians 6: 16 And what mutual agreement does the temple of God have with idols? For we are the temple of the living God, just as God said, “I will live in them and will walk among them, and I will be their God,and they will be my people.”

Is it Revelation 21:3,4 that will make what is recorded in 2 Corinthians 6:16 occur?

CAPTIVATOR: Let me illustrate, the Bible said Christ the lamb has been slained since the founding of the world . IT SPEAKS AS THOUGH it has HAPPENED whereas Christ wasn't slained until 33CE . why that language in past tense ? From God's view the ransom is paid already. though it hasn't manifested physically.

Achorladey: Oga CAPTIVATOR who knows GOD'S VIEW, which one be it hasn't MANIFESTED PHYSICALLY again?

OK has it MANIFESTED SPIRITUALLY?

you didn't see the past tense did not carry WILL SEAT but SEATED, not "will make" but MADE.

This one no be case of AS THOUGH it has HAPPENED oooooo.


Isaiah 46:10 From the beginning I foretell the outcome, And from long ago the things that have not yet been done. I say, ‘My DECISION WILL STAND, And I will do WHATEVER I PLEASE.


CAPTIVATOR: Same here, No wonder Paul adds "so that IN THE COMING SYSTEM OF THINGS he might demonstrate the surpassing riches of his undeserved kindness In his graciousness toward us in UNION WITH Christ Jesus"


Achorladey:1 Corinthians 3:21-23.  So then, no more boasting about mere mortals! For everything belongs to you, whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the PRESENT or the FUTURE. EVERYTHING BELONGS to YOU, 23 and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.

CAPTIVATOR: So both Jesus and his co rulers would seat in the heavenly places.

Achorladey: Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

Revelation 5:10

You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign ON THE EARTH

I saw it clearly it says he raised us up and seated us in the heavenly places. They are not even dead yet talkless of been raised up . its a future event spoken in the present with certanity . they will be with Christ in the heavenly places

Barristter07:
After those beautiful explanations by Captivator and Jozzy4 , still asking this:


If this doesn't help you, your case is
Christ Kingship and Priesthood isn't earthly
" If he were on earth , he would not be a priest " Hebrew 8:4 and 5 regard Christ priesthood as heavenly

Point.

achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR: Its called materialization because a spirit does not have flesh and Bone's.

Achorladey:The key here is A SPIRIT does not have FLESH and BONES. So is that SPIRIT under consideration here EARTHLY body of JESUS CHRIST or HEAVENLY body of Jesus Christ? Since THAT SPIRIT cannot be SEEN the he reason for MATERIALIZATION. So Why the MATERIALIZATION? if the SPIRIT under consideration here is an EARTHLY body as stated by you earlier?

CAPTIVATOR: When he does possess one. It's termed materialization..

Achorladey: Why did Jesus Christ had to MATERIALIZE after resurrection?

CAPTIVATOR: Ressurected a spirit but materialized in a body of flesh since he hasn't returned to heaven.

Achorladey: Why did he MATERIALIZE since HEAVENLY BODY is still ABSENT as at THEN?

A Spirit can't be seen simple. He would have proceed to heaven immediately and instantly and Get the heavenly body , but due to further assignments... He therefore materialized a body of flesh all through the forty days , Just as captivator pointed out.

CAPTIVATOR: Yeah, Just the same way the dead soldiers who piercers him would.

Achorladey: Obviously you don't believe those SOLDIERS that PIERCED him will see JESUS CHRIST. Hahahahahaha.



CAPTIVATOR: Confused literalist

Achorladey: Expert FIGURATIVES!

CAPTIVATOR: Its Jesus

Achorladey: According to the INSIGHT BOOK this question was raised......

How can Jesus be “the ONE ALONE HAVING IMMORTALITY”?

The answer followed closely


The first one described in the Bible as REWARDED WITH the GIFT of IMMORTALITY is JESUS CHRIST. That HE did NOT POSSESS IMMORTALITY before his RESURRECTION by God is seen from the inspired apostle’s words at Romans 6:9: “Christ, now that he has been raised up from the dead, dies no more; death is master over him no more.”

1 Timothy 6:16 He ALONE POSSESSES IMMORTALITY and lives in UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen.

The scripture CLEARLY states HE ALONE POSSESSES IMMORTALITY and not first one DESCRIBED in the Bible as REWARDED with the GIFT of IMMORTALITY.



ALONE meaning........


1: separated from others :

2: exclusive of anyone or anything else

3a : considered without reference to any other.

b : incomparable, unique

Since you (CAPTIVATOR) said its JESUS CHRIST, will you equally agree Jesus is Jehovah and GOD ALMIGHTY?

If the reference was to Jehovah, Romans 6:9 would be a lie.

It says King of Kings and Lord of Lords , a title applied to Jesus Christ ( Revelation 19:16) . he was been compared to other kings and so called Lords .

CAPTIVATOR: Vision is NOT reality!!! . U can tell us since Stephen saw Jesus standing at The right hand of God. He literally saw God too

Achorladey: what did Stephen see? Did he see son of man in his GLORY or NOT? Did he go to heaven to do so. Was he in his heavenly body to do so?

CAPTIVATOR: Wake up from slumber

Achorladey: Do I look like someone sleeping while responding to your post all these while?

You are truly sleeping.

achorladey:
Barristter07: After those beautiful explanations by Captivator and Jozzy4 , still asking this:

Achorladey: And you equally saw my response as well to their post, did you?

Barristter07: If this doesn't help you, your case is

Achorladey: Funny you mean abi? and that's equally interesting.

Barristter07: Christ Kingship and Priesthood isn't earthly

Achorladey: I thought his appointment as a KING and PRIEST came from PONTIUS Pilate ni oooo. Hahahahaha. The reason it's heavenly not earthly, after all where was the sacrifice made?


Barristter07: If he were on earth , he would not be a priest

Achorladey: You want him to present his sacrifice in the temple in Jerusalem that has been abandoned? Eh Eh.

Barristter07: Hebrew 8:4 and 5 regard Christ priesthood as heavenly.

You have your response to that now and it still doesn't change the question asked........


Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

Hebrews 9: 28. so also, after Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many, to those who eagerly await him he will APPEAR a SECOND TIME, not to BEAR SIN but to bring SALVATION.

the question again........

Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

Read The bold again and again . its obvious you didn't take your time to reflect on it. Nobody discuss Christ appearing invisbly a second time but his position as priest and King is Heavenly not earthly. If he would be on earth which is your position, he won't be a priest ! Likewise those in the new covenant with him as priests .

achorladey:
Jozzy4: He hasn't returned to heaven at the time to dwell in unapproachable Light.

Achorladey: Did you see me state that he was resurrected direct into heaven?

Jozzy4: Don't forget he quote where Paul said LIKE the HEAVENLY ONE, so too are those who are heavenly . heavenly NOT earthly.

Achorladey: what difference does the above make on the question posed Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH.

Jozzy4: What you saw there is a materialized body, Just as Angels in the past.

Achorladey: You should by now see how it relates to the question posed

Jozzy4: No wonder Mary didn't recognize him facially at first. Except by his voice

Achorladey: Mary didn't recognize him at first, but Mary did the second abi?

Acts 1:3 After he had suffered, HE SHOWED HIMSELF ALIVE to THEM by MANY CONVINCING PROOFS. He was SEEN by THEM throughout 40 days, and he was speaking about the Kingdom of God.


From the above you believe Christ already has the HEAVENLY BODY isn't it? Was he approachable or not? Did he live on the earth for some days or not after his resurrection, what does that tell you of the question posed once again


Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

Revelation 5:10 You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will REIGN ON THE EARTH.”

hahahahahaha heavenly body ? shuuuuu . what they saw his materialized flesh and bones not heavenly body. he hasnt returned to heaven to receive his heavenly glory which he had before the earth was made (John 17;5) that glory is not earthly, in fact he had to empty it and be born of a woman to walk this earth ,those disciples cant behold it, . back to heaven , Christ is now heavenly WITH GLORY.

unless u mean he will have to be born as human a second time to as to empty his glory and come to earth. like captivator said. u are making a useless argument .

captivator viewing, evening bro.

Jozzy4:
Thank you. Jesus throne is located on planet earth I guess ...

How are you?

Jesus throne as King Is located where ?

Why is the kingdom called Kingdom of heaven if the rulers are not in heaven . ?

achorladey:
How does the above answer the QUESTION you bolded?

Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

1 Peter 3:18....Because Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, to bring you to God, by being put to death in the flesh but by being made ALIVE in THE SPIRIT.

John 20:17,18 Jesus replied, “Do not touch me, for I have not yet ascended to my Father. Go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”  18 Mary Magdalene came and informed the disciples, “I have SEEN the LORD!” And she told them what JESUS had SAID to HER.


ALIVE in the SPIRIT RIGHT HERE on EARTH abi no be so?
Abi na HEAVENLY or HEAVEN dey RESURRECT JESUS?

Except you abandon one major THEOLOGY of JWS in order for your EXPLANATION above on the key terms expressed in there such as (HEAVENLY, DIVINE NATURE, BORN FROM SPIRIT) that he was NOT MADE ALIVE in SPIRIT.

So I asked once AGAIN Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

Revelation 5:10 You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will REIGN ON THE EARTH.”

He hasn't returned to heaven at the time to dwell in unapproachable Light. Don't forget he quote where Paul said like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly . heavenly NOT earthly .

What you saw there is a materialized body , Just as Angels in the past . No wonder Mary didn't recognize him facially at first. Except by his voice

CAPTIVATOR:
" they will rule over the earth.” CJB

"they shall reign over the earth." Darby

Just some two of the many translation that rendered it properly .

This was why I asked the other time, If you have a contrary opinion, from where will Christ Reign On earth ?

U are easily forgetting Christ also reign on/over earth , and this ones reign with him . . " that where I am, you also may be " John 14:3

From where ?

Thank you. Jesus throne is located on planet earth I guess ...

How are you?

achorladey:
I made a case for this.....


Revelation 20:6 I can't see where the "THEY" are in the HEAVEN as stated by you Jozzy4

Jozzy4: To where ? " Reign with Him " shows they will be where Jesus is. Heaven.

Achorladey: Still you have not answered. but using First resurrection conundrum to try as a means to answer. Hahahahaha!

They will be ressurected to where ? The expression " Reign with Him [Jesus ] "

From where would Jesus reign ?

Jozzy4: The bold shows sorry to say, you are a WACK STUDENT of the bible.

Achorladey: The most intelligent bible student can't phantom what apostle Paul meant by the BELOW

What does those the scriptures tells you about the TENT or "EARTHLY HOUSE" or TABERNACLE?

Rather you Jozzy4 said EVERLASTING HOME in the HEAVENS. WACK BIBLE STUDENT indeed.

Everlasting in the Heavens ... Wat does that reveal ?

U are hanged already. Don't worry, am enjoying this

Jozzy4: The bold is a territory, when you reign ON something or a place, it's a subject to you. Basic English.

Achorladey: If you are ON SOMETHING or PLACE are YOU ATTACHED to it or part of it?

I know it's basic English. The reason you have been using GREEK to EXPANSIATE more in ENGLISH on WHAT RESURRECTION is? You might want to use that as well here.

Reign with him ... Where would Jesus reign from ?

On is different from in.

Jesus reign ON earth ... Is Jesus on earth ?

Likewise they will rule with him.

Interesting that the same Greek word was rendered " OVER " by many versions at Matthew 18:13 .

Jozzy4: If those on Earth are subjects, they are not kings.

Achorladey: "IF THOSE on EARTH are subjects" hahahahaha. Are you wavering or what? Who are the SUBJECTS.


Jozzy4: Those on earth are never said to reign on anyone . exposing you as a fraud

Achorladey: Revelation 5:10 says You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will REIGN ON THE EARTH.”

Oga Fraud ALERT and DETECTOR.

The bold reveals their territory.

The real rulers are the " THEY " . those who experience the first ressurection.

They will reign WITH Jesus in heaven.

solite3:
John 1:1 already settle the score. Jesus is God

Even humans are called GODS .

The issue here is : is Jesus the supreme being ? Does he have a God superior to him ?

Isce:
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The more you try to analyze it, you will realise it doesn't make sense

Answer this question truthfully : Did Jesus have a God superior to him ?

Isce:
Which script of historical Bible document was (a) God gotten from?,

Shows you are a wack Bible student, Act 28:6 in nearly every bible translated Theo's as " a god " . any issue ? If you can't fault that. U have no right to criticise .

achorladey:
Jozzy4: CONTINUE TO PERAMBULATE ON ONE SPOT

Achorladey: And the statement of yours didn't tell you the fact I am perambulating on ONE SPOT which seem to mean Revelation 5:10 should tell you the answer to your question is there.

Jozzy4: those taking part in the first ressurection are the ones who are said to rule with christ, first ressurection is a ressurection to heAVEN

Achorladey: Did I ask you who take part in the first resurrection? No.

So who are those that take part in the first RESURRECTION?

Sorry, never knew you are this lost.

Revelation 20:6 identified those ruling as King and Priest as THOSE who experience the First Ressurection.


" Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years." [/b] - NAS

So get it into your head, the royal priesthood members experience the first ressurection!!!

To where ? " Reign with Him " shows they will be where Jesus is. Heaven.

Jozzy4: PHILIPIANS 3:11 , 2cor 5:1

Achorladey: These are your cited scriptures....

Phillipians 3:11 and so, somehow, to attain to the resurrection from the dead.

2 Corinthians 5:11 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, should be torn down, we are to have a building from God, a house not made with hands, everlasting in the heavens.

Jozzy4:.so that tells you the they that reign on earth are in heaven with Jesus.

Achorladey: you can see the scriptures right in front of you.

Just show where it says THOSE THAT REIGN ON EARTH ARE IN HEAVEN WITH JESUS.

If you have paid attention to the highlighted. That question won't have arise ..

Phillipians..........3:11 talks about RESURRECTION I didn't see anything about FIRST RESURRECTION there.

2 Corinthians 5:1.......

2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, should be torn down, we are to have a building from God, a house not made with hands, everlasting in the heavens.

2 Peter 1: 13,14
Indeed, as long as I am in this tabernacle, I consider it right to stir you up by way of a reminder, 14 since I know that my tabernacle will soon be removed, because our Lord Jesus Christ revealed this to me. 15 Indeed, I will also make every effort that, after my departure, you have a testimony of these things.

What does those the scriptures tells you about the TENT or "EARTHLY HOUSE" or TABERNACLE?

The bold shows sorry to say, you are a wack student of the bible. The Greek word rendered Ressurection is an entirely different word - - exanastasis - which literally means " OuT ressurection " or Early Ressurection. A reference to first ressurection.

Rotherham Bible

“If by any means I may advance to the earlier resurrection which is from among the dead.”


So the same Person looking forward to first ressurection also talks about an everlasting home in the heavens. Does that not tell you they will reign fr heaven ?..

Revelation 20:6 itself says " Reign with Him [Jesus] " from where would Jesus reign ?

Jozzy4: provide how those on earth are rulers and on whom they rule ?

Achorladey: I have done that already, Jesus was given the AUTHORITY to make as many as possible that received him as GOD'S CHILDREN (ROYALS) through the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT.

and Revelation 5:10 says You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

Jozzy4: yeye dey smell

Achorladey: Whatever yeye wey dey smell, it seems you are the only one perceiving the odour as it seems from your end.

The bold is a territory, when you reign ON something or a place, it's a subject to you. Basic English.

If those on Earth are subjects, they are not kings.

Those on earth are never said to reign on anyone . exposing you as a fraud

achorladey:
Jozzy4: No, you need help?

Achorladey: Revelation 5:10

You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

Jozzy4: Let me assist

The bold reigning on Earth ARE IN HEAVEN. ( Rev 20:6 should help you should in case you don't know the " THEY" are in heaven)

Achorladey: Here is Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who takes part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

I can't see where the "THEY" are in the HEAVEN as stated by you.

Jozzy4: So state where those living on earth are called rulers?

Achorladey: Revelation 5:10  You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

CONTINUE TO PERAMBULATE ON ONE SPOT
those taking part in the first ressurection are the ones who are said to rule with christ , first ressurection is a ressurection to heAVEN _ PHILIPIANS 3:11 , 2cor 5:1

so that tells you the they that reign on earth are in heaven with Jesus

provide how those on earth are rulers and on whom they rule ?

yeye dey smell

achorladey:
Jozzy4: It cost you nothing to state, does it ?

Achorladey: Haven't I?

Jozzy4: For the records Rev 5:9,10 quoted by you in your half baked response you called post,

Achorladey: HALF BAKED RESPONSE and WACK. Hahaha. The answer you seek is there go back and check.

Jozzy4: state that those brought from earth TO HEAVEN actually RULE over EARTH.

Achorladey: Did they REIGN on the EARTH or NOT?

Jozzy4: It says nothing about Earth inhabit ruling over others,

Achorladey: Who are the EARTH INHABITANTS once AGAIN?

Jozzy4: which shows they are not kings

Achorladey: Because they are not in HEAVEN ABI?

Jozzy4: Once again, if they are kings according to your theology, kindly show me whom those on earth rule Over ?

Achorladey: You have the answer already. You even went ahead to ask for scriptures to support it which I have equally given.

No, you need help ? Let me assist

The bold reigning on Earth ARE IN HEAVEN. ( Rev 20:6 should help you should in case you don't know the " THEY" are in heaven)

So state where those living on earth are called rulers ?

TATIME:
Please Maximus, during PHISICAL warfare
*Is it compulsory you IDENTIFY your team mates?
*Any forms of IDENTIFYING marks?
*What about a soldier found without the marks?

Highly compulsory, Jesus himself state " whoever is not against you, is for you " . know your Group

So which translate that whoever is against you, is not for you.

So maximus69 was right when he said they are not brothers, simply because he who is against you, isn't for you .

Maximus69:
Well i have identified them and until you're able to parade a BETTER PERFORMING GROUP,all your write~ups remains PONITLESS and NONE SUBSTANTIAL!

Those guys are not intellectual, actually many of the bible verses and articles he post up and down are the work of a certain silly website . all he does is go there to copy and paste anytime you chat them . but as it is, they are divided. They can't Even prove those on earth are rulers, that achorladey even tried bringing an half baked idea that was dead on arrival I.e ruling over unrighteous ones. But since no scripture to defend that and his pastor on the other website didn't provide details on that. He was shut down. You can see how they are even divided on this thread . every kingdom divided against itself cannot stand.


Let me tell you something funny, while many of this websites attack Jehovah's people, they are divided on topics like Trinity, Hellfire and immortal soul. Some after leaving Gods people feel they should embrace those topics again, but others Still agreed those are false. So even apostates are divided. some feel they should even abandon religion altogether


Tell me how a kingdom divided against itself can stand ?

achorladey:
You still have not seen it? Hahahahaha! Go back and read.

It cost you nothing to state, does it ?
For the records Rev 5:9,10 quoted by you in your half baked response you called post, state that those brought from earth TO HEAVEN actually RULE over EARTH


It says nothing about Earth inhabit ruling over others , which shows they are not kings

Once again, if they are kings according to your theology, kindly show me whom those on earth rule Over ?

achorladey:
I want to believe you read that post before responding, if you don't understand it, it still very much available right there go and read again

Since those on earth are Kings in your theology, whom are they ruling over??

achorladey:
Oga Jozzy4, agreed to what?

Of course. Rottennaija Is your CPU on this thread

You agreed those in the new covenant are Royal priesthood , didn't you ?

Well , he doesn't. So that's why the enemy camp is in chaos

achorladey:
Did I see WACK.

Atleast you agree that there is going to be resurrection of the UNRIGHTEOUS ABI?

With that you will AGREE that these UNRIGHTEOUS are SUBJECTS of THOSE you believe will rule from HEAVEN ABI?

My position has been CHRIST is the MEDIATOR of the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT with a PROMISE that includes making those in this COVENANT GOD'S CHILDREN John 1:12 in ESSENCE ROYALS be it in HEAVEN or EARTH.

You have EQUALLY asked EMPTY EARTH previously? Didn't you?

Since I have filled the earth for YOU, you are still asking the below.......

Jozzy4: Kindly point out where its also said that those on Earth Rule over unrighteous ? ??

Achorladey: After all we have just discussed this scripture below not too long ago

Revelation 5:10...….....
They were singing a new song: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because you were killed, and at the cost of your own blood you have purchased for God persons from every tribe, language, people, and nation. 10 You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will REIGN ON THE EARTH.”

Jozzy4: Don't forget so far... We saw those in heaven said to REIGN over the earth.

Achorladey: Who are they once more?

I didn't ask you all these, Yes. Those bought from earth to heaven will rule over the earth. That's Royals, Kings.


But those on earth, whom are they ruling over ? Whom ?

Are they not kings anymore ?

rottennaija:
Now you are putting words into my mouth. I never agree with you in that. So, try not to play the inclusive card with me.

Secondly, let's understand the old covenant and the new. Then it can help us arrive at a clarity.

Even achorladey agreed. Enemy camp in chaos indeed

so for what purpose are they bought from earth to heaven through the new covenant ? Heb 3:1, 9:15 , rev 5:9,10

[quote author=rottennaija post=78028583][/quote]Don't cry victim, I knew everything you are regurgitating are from anti JW websites, those half baked articles. I knew, so much for independent thinking

rottennaija:
My nairaland name is rottennaija and it's not whatever your name. And it seems obvious you're getting tired. It makes you sound like a broken record. You have repeated the same line of those in the new covenant are Kings/rulers numerously. I'm beginning to think that you may have an Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD).

Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is a common, chronic and long-lasting disorder in which a person has uncontrollable, reoccurring thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions) that he or she feels the urge to repeat over and over.

I strongly believe so because it seems not to be a case of lack of comprehension anymore. You seem to think that by repeating yourself many times, it will simply flip a switch, as it were, somewhere and I'll start believing you.

What makes a lie seem true?
There is a technique of someone repeating the same thing over, again and again with the hope that you are going to believe them. The technique is called illusory truth effect, it is a glitch in the human psyche that equates repetition with truth. Marketers, Religious leaders and politicians are masters of manipulating this particular cognitive bias.

WANT TO MAKE A LIE SEEM TRUE? SAY IT AGAIN. AND AGAIN. AND AGAIN

Repetition is what makes fake news work. Even Adolf Hitler knew about the technique and he said, "Slogans should be persistently repeated until the very last individual has come to grasp the idea... "

He also said: "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it and eventually they will believe it. "


Jozzy4, you should know. You should understand and accept that I am quite conversant of these techniques. You have repeatedly mentioned that those in the new covenant are Kings and priest and rulers. You point had been made and very clear. Whether you are right or wrong, whether I am wrong, it's besides what we are discussing now.

Earlier, you and your jw friends were so adamant that Jesus mediates for all men (including you and your friends) and then mediates for 144000. When it eventually became clear that your religion says you and your friends are excluded from the mediator of Jesus, I believe it must have been heart wrecking for you. But you lose at the end, for Jesus,according to your believes and religious leaders is not your mediator.

Now, I'm asking something else. It's obvious that in your mind, only 144,000 144,000 are worthy to be in the new covenant. Now, I'm asking something else. Tell me about the old covenant? When did it come into effect? What were the conditions? Who were the parties? Tell me also about the new covenant? When did it come into effect? What were the conditions? Who were the parties?

I believe answer to this question will make me understand the whole idea of only 144000 in the new covenant and rulers as Kings and priest.

I deal with points.

If am wrong Those to live in the new earth are not in the new covenant, since we both agree those in the new covenant are King and Priest. Just tell by proving me wrong by providing where it says those in the new earth also rule as kings And over whom ?

achorladey:
Since YOU equally rely on those COMMENTARIES of CHRISTENDOM and HOUSE THEM just like the ORGANIZATION you are a member of and tag them APOSTATES. Pele oooooooo.

I repeat once more, do the JWS LOVE INDEPENDENT THINKERS? Oga Jozzy4 wetin you think? After all you no be INDEPENDENT THINKER? It will be INTERESTING if I am to get an answer contrary to that of GB.

You can continue with your copy and pasting ... let me hear u are independent thinker . so funny

achorladey:
Jozzy4: Thank you Brother. Tomorrow they will say some people can't think independently

Achorladey: The fact about the matter is that the GB tagged independent thinking DANGEROUS just like you accused the CATHOLICS and they equally use the discipline a friend of yours accused the CATHOLICS of on their members too.

Jozzy4: yet they rely on apostate website to function,

Achorladey: Just like you the GB housed the COMMENTARIES of CHRISTENDOM before they can function abi? Na same same.


That aside

You see what I am saying, the same method Catholics used the JWS apply. Those that don't comply with the whole BODY of TEACHING of GB becomes APOSTATE even when those BODY of TEACHING contains ERRORS, MISTAKES and not INSPIRED. The reason they FROWN at INDEPENDENT THINKING.

Jozzy4: ask them anything they run to do copy and paste from there.

Achorladey: I dont want to see this as usual diversionary tactics.

Have we not equally shown you or cited materials from your magazines over the years and recent one to prove our case. Did we not equally cite scriptures like you do and explain them?

Do the GB not use Bible commentaries of CHRISTENDOM to lambast THEM when they want to prove their CLAIMS. Or run to there platforms to get proof.

Jozzy4: But it's clear those teaching them didn't give them proper orientation.

Achorladey: So when the GB ADJUST their UNDERSTANDING to ALLIGN with christendom believes sometimes it simply means they too are NOT ORIENTATED properly.

Jozzy4: so refusal to eat from Jehovah's people,

Achorladey: and the commentaries written by CHRISTENDOM used to support the THEOLOGY of JW, do you see it as still not having proper ORIENTATION on the PART of the ORGANIZATION and still CANNOT think independently outside of CHRISTENDOM despite stating clearly that the JWS HAVE THE TRUTH?

Jozzy4: they still can't think independently, am still disappointed they rely on others.

Achorladey: You are disappointed? Sorry you don't have to be, even a simple discussion with anyone requires not thinking independently, it requires reasoning with that person. Just you know the ESSENCE of bringing that point concerning INDEPENDENT THINKING is clear to your friend.

So much for independent thinking , copying and pasting articles from apostate websites. Eeyah u still rely on those ones to function ?

rottennaija:
So what was the old covenant? When did it come into effect? What were the conditions? Who were the parties?

So what was the new covenant? When did it come into effect? What were the conditions? Who were the parties?

Rotten naija or what's your name, we know those in the new covenant are Kings/rulers over the earth as Rev 5:9,10 reveal. Who are those on earth ruling over if they are in the new covenant as kings ? ?

achorladey:
What is your bolded part all words in uppercase.....

Jozzy4: BIBLE TEACH THE PROSPECT of a NEW EARTH WHICH MANY SWEPT UNDER THE CARPET.

Achorladey: I WANT to BELIEVE YOUR MANY TO MEAN NOT ALL


and you don't understand that my MANY here means not ALL SWEPT the teaching of NEW EARTH under the CARPET and that even before the JWS start preaching and TEACHING NEW EARTH that is attached those who are outside of the new covenant ( "NON ANOINTED CHRISTIAN""OTHER SHEEP" and "GREAT CROWD" many outside had TEACHINGS based on NEW EARTH.


Jozzy4: Those on earth are not rulers , oh, u won't agree .... Tell me whom they rule upon?

Achorladey: When Jesus said there will be resurrection of the UNRIGHTEOUS, who are they?

Wack.
You can provide where the Bible says those on earth rule upon the unrighteous ?

Don't forget so far... We saw those in heaven said to REIGN over the earth.

Kindly point out where its also said that those on Earth Rule over unrighteous ? ??

rottennaija:
You are right. Context matters. Probably, the best to do is to explain the covenants... Explain the old covenant, it's advantages and disadvantages and explain the new covenant with its advantages and disadvantages

You are wasting your time.
New covenant holds the promise of Royal priesthood . Becoming Rulers, just as Old covenant. Only those in this covenant will be rulers , through whom the entire nation will be blessed .

Moses Mediate ONLY for the Israelites in that old covenant. Same applies to Jesus . ONLY isreal of God , of which only 144,000 are sealed.

So my point remains apart from those in the new covenant , the entire nations of the earth that will be blessed as God promised Abraham are not in that covenant. They are not Kings