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asalimpo:
dude. Proven what?
Show me what your are talking about and read my entire quotes IN CONTEXT before jumping on the accussation band wagon.

What goes to hell , Body and soul.

Why are u saying body doesn't ?

asalimpo:
read my last post and exercise ur thinking

Hell cast into Lake of fire - rev 20:14

Is this not different ? Taaarh

asalimpo:
mister a little common sense could be exercised on your part. Jesus used hell in in matth but in revel20 we see a fulfillmnt of of warning in the lake of fire? So, the place Jesus called hell could b the lake of fire. I.e where He would throw bodies into after judgemnt.
Hell and the lake of fire are sometimes used interchangeably and that is what Jesus was doing there. A little wisdom could take u far . Again, we see that both hell and the lake of fire are somewhat similar. They're made or contain burning fire. See the richman and lazarus. Again debunkng dumb teachng tht it is just d grave.

Bros lie small small o. Bible verse says otherwise, what's my own, Let your partner see am

asalimpo:
bros,stop being dumb. Quote in full the verse where Jesus said BODY AND SOUL. QUOTE it in full to support your point.
All you keep ranting is BODY AND SOUL. Like it's a mantra.
Can u do that instead of chiming senselessly?

He has proven it with bible, defend it. Why do u say Soul alone , when Jesus said Body and soul ?

asalimpo:
it's likely u are some dumb dimwit illiterate who cant make his points. It's just foolish jabs you are throwing. Nothing concrete. Kingdom hall has done a good job on ur brain

But bros u sef dey lie o , Is hell lake of fire according to that verse he quote for you ?

johnw47:
duh, know nothing false jw jozz
the psalm is referring to the angels

Jesus unlike them can be compared to the LORD

no i'm not a 419, but you sure do love to lie like your daddy:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Is Jesus a Son ? Yes.

And no son is like Yahweh. Psalm 89:6.

You are clearly a 419 and a Liar .

Joromi12:
Sex is sweet. Even god fuk mary and they were not married

Don't be silly

Stop telling lies.

PastorAIO:
Try and think, please. Even the LXX that didn't use Kyrios had YHWH. YHWH is an abbreviation of the Divine name. You, sir, do not know the divine name of the Hebrew diety. You Do Not.

Your first point was this :
"
In the LXX they use Kyrios instead of YHWH. Kyrios means Lord.



They very well knew that name, but recognised that in the LXX it was translated as Kyrios and it was the LXX they were using, including Jesus. "




You at first claimed LXX only used Lord, not until u are challenged on the above. You came around acknowledging LXX also uses YHWH, only to call it abbreviation. Forgeting :

YHWH is not an abbreviation , in that case the entire names penned down in the Hebrew scripture would all be abbreviations . Keep in mind that unlike English, Hebrew need no vowels to be written down.

You shoot yourself in the foot by making a big deal out of something that you are totally ignorant of.

You made a false claim that early Christians took the divine name out of the New Testament and substituted Kyrios. My point is that the substitution was already done long before Christianity even came into existence.

For something to be substituted, it was there In the first place.

I actually pointes out to you that copies of LXX dates to Jesus day was found with the divine name in Hebrew letters TO counter your initial point that the LXX Jesus used could nt have the name within it.

It clearly does, which is why he could said he made the name known.

Further it is not 'modern versions' that use Kyrios as you claim. There are ancient versions using Kyrios. You are trying to sell the idea that all LXX originally had YHWH and only recently was that changed to Kyrios. That is a lie.

You may shout jehovah jehovah all you want but the fact is that you don't even know whether or not Jehovah is the name of the Hebrew deity.

Kyrios will forever remain a substitution. For the original Hebrew text to preserve the name , and copies of LXX retaining the Hebrew letters found, it's obvious where kryrios comes from.

In Jesus day, copies of LXX with the divine mame.exist. Thats the point

PastorAIO:
You make a good point here sir. Why?


Since it is so important to you that the proper name is used then why do you call him Jesus and not his original name?

The same reason the Greek scriptures writers didn't retain the original name .

zodiakzax:
..So two persons can become one abi? So why is it difficult for you to understand the trinity that 3 persons can be one also... ..you've answered it yourself stupid idiot...

Playing with words , that's how liars operate

Can be or can BECOME ?

Can be what exactly ?

For a couple to become one flesh, they are formally singles ,. which means they are not always like that. That's why the verse use " Become " .

So I want you to clarify and see if your Trinity can stand that!!! I dey wait , can be or can BECOME ? Chai, chai, chai, someone is in hot soup


The One God is never spoken of as two person's - Eph 4:6. The one God is the Father of all.

zodiakzax:
what's the difference betwen everlasting Father and our Father... mehn you guys are so stupid and dumb..... who is the Eternal Father? Is he not our Father? ... same Isaiah said Jesus is our Everlasting Father..... same Isaiah said Yahweh is the Mighty God, same Isaiah said Jesus is the Mighty God...e pain you die...

419, No son of God is Yahweh, Jesus is " a son." Hebrew 5:8

Silly one, May I remind you again of John 20:17, where Jesus acknowledged he isn't our Father ?

johnw47:
once again, the sons of the LORD in Heaven psalm 89:6 is referring to the angels

and the fact that bible verses do compare Jesus to the LORD
shows that psalm 89:6 does not refer to Jesus


oh duh
but of course you false jw jozz know nothing


and of course Father and the Word is the LORD, john 1:1
that the angels in heaven cannot be compared to




Psa 89:6 For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD?

Heb_1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

there are many bible verses showing that Jesus is God - Jehovah - LORD, if you want me to post them again

Psalm 89:6 refer to Jesus. Jesus is a son too

Is Jesus not a son ? U are a 419

zodiakzax:
..and who is the Mighty?....stupid fool..

Jesus is the Mighty God, Jesus is the One Lord... Jesus is the Begotten Son of God, all angelic beings are created, we humans are also sons of God because He is our Father and creator.. Angels and humans are The sons of Jesus because he is their creator.Jesus is the Creator, Jesus is Yahweh

Silly one, u have arrived . Welcome



Jesus has no sons , no one is called son of Jesus . but son of God . Jesus is not our Father - John 20;17

Instead Jesus and all the angels are all ' Sons of God [ the Father ]

No son of God is Yahweh , and Jesus is a son - Psalm 89:6.

brocab:
Only to you, I am empty-but when there is Christianity concerned, you are not concerned..but a lair and a snake, and there's no truth found in you!

Liar, no wonder u can't defend your lies when faced with Facts.

brocab:
Ignorant of you, your argument belongs to you! We never changed the scriptures, nor did we add to them-the Watchtower removed and added the scriptures that shouldn't be done..If you have kept to bible knowledge in the first place-you wouldn't need to chop and change from YHWH to Jehovah. You would believe God and His every Word..But you don't "Hypocrite!!!
"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in...
“The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
But all their works they do to be seen by men.{This is a very good description-whom you stand for!}

You just showed u are an empty barrel that's making noise. Since you can't respond to that which u gave you. Keep shut

PastorAIO:
Angel of God gets conflated with God himself, I agree. But it is not just the matter of convention. Otherwise we can question every encounter with God in the bible. Did Moses meet god? did he see the back of god's head? Did Adam and Eve converse with god in the garden of eden? DID methuselah walk with God? etc etc etc......

We do not need to question every encounter of God , context helps a lot , the question is why would John quickly follow up that event of Thomas at verse 28 , saying immediately at verse 31 .

" But these has been written down so that you may BELIEVE that Jesus is the Christ, THE SON of God " - John 20:31.

Objective analysis to help a sincere person know his true identity

brocab:
The JW's also removed YHWH from their bible, changing the "Y" to a "J" calling Him Jehovah which should sound Yehovah! besides that the JW's keep on changing their bible every year, by removing and adding scriptures pleasing themselves-and expecting the world to follow-where God told them not too..

Y change the Y in " Yirmiyahu " to J in Jeremiah also?

Y change the Y in Yeshua to J in Jesus ?

Are u this ignorant and silly Sir ?

johnw47:
false jw jozz

Psa 89:6  For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD? 


the sons on the mighty are the angels, none of the angels can be compared to the LORD


on the other hand the man Jesus Christ is compared to the Lord often in scripture:

Heb_1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

@blue, Father and the Word sit on the Throne of God = Father and the Word is God, john 1:1

Don't be silly, if the sons of the Mighty are angels , who is their Father ?

Is Jesus not also a son.

PastorAIO:
Not True!! They never removed the divine name because of it being to holy or whatever. The removed the vowels so that only those who knew it could call on it. So they wrote it YHWH. That is why till today so many outsiders who are trying to claim don't really know the true name. So some people will say Jehovah, others will say Yahweh, and still others will say Yahwooh, and others just Jah.

In the LXX they use Kyrios instead of YHWH. Kyrios means Lord.




Matthew 22
43Jesus said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him Lord? For he says: 44‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, until I put Your enemies under Your feet.”’ 45So if David calls Him Lord, how can He be David’s son?”

Here we have Jesus quoting from the LXX as he does so many times throughout the gospels. You seem to believe that the Jews did not know Yhwh was the name of their deity until Jesus came and told it to them. That is false.

They very well knew that name, but recognised that in the LXX it was translated as Kyrios and it was the LXX they were using, including Jesus.

LXX retaining the divine name in Hebrew Characters as far back as first century has been discovered , enlighten yourself bro.

If that's the case and modern versions contain kyrios, What went wrong ?

I think the answer is simple

Leonardoreel:
The thought of why God has created us has been dwelling in my head for some times now but I couldn't arrive at a reasonable facts why we were all created,

On my quest to find answer to that, I got to know we were created to worship & praise him.

You are not wrong. Rev 4:11

So God created us to worship him but he didn't program us to worship him 24/7,

If I program my phone to alert me at 6am for work, does it mean My phone loved me ? No. Its just a machine.

God doesn't made us as machines, he wants heartfelt desire to worship him ourselves. That joy a parent have when his Or her son obeys Their orders despite having the chance to go the other way. That's LOVE

and he that has created us so that the ones that workship him can live beside him in paradise where those that didn't will be sent to hell, why hasn't he made it easier for all of his creation by programming them to do one thing daily which is to worship him everyday so at the end he doesn't loose any of his creation to hell.

No one is sent to hell, including the first man. Disobedience means telling God, I don't appreciate your giving me the gift of life. I don't want any rules , am better off as the original dust am made from. Genesis 3:19 ' from dust you are and to dust u shall RETURN ' he is to return to where ? Dust Or ground NOT any mythical hell

Mans original purpose is not to go to any heaven, Its to fulfil the earth and multiply within it, the planet earth was designed for him - Genesis 1:28-30

Let's come to man made creation, have you ever seen any man made creation does things beyond what it was programmed to do?

It was programmed, NO Thinking ability. It can't do beyond what its asked to do

I need a reasonable facts why he has created us without programming us to meet his demands...

I think have addressed that already.

Good question u asked, #handshake#

PastorAIO:
What about if you are called both Lord and God?

John 20:28

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.


in the greek Theos is preceded by 'ho' which is the definite article so we know he wasn't talking about 'a god' but 'The God'.

Thomas is a Jew, its not unusual for Jews to address Gods messengers as God himself . this does not mean they believe the particular messenger is God, but they acknowledge he is from God

Jacob fight with an angel, yet he said he fight with God .

Manoah and his wife saw an Angel , but Manoah exclaimed, We have seen God! We will die.

So Thomas statement is understandable , as Jesus himself is also a representative from God. But that doesn't make him the only true God , that sent him.

John wrote: his book was written so you can believe Jesus is Gods son NOT God himself.

johnw47:
laugh, false jw jozzy, you have no understanding at all,
truly Father and the Word are two persons in the one God
they are not two gods as you false jw's believe

God [ the Word ] was WITH God [ the Father ]

419, how many God is that ?

Deu_6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD

but confused jozzy, keep believing in your two false gods

I thought Barrister07 ask you to go and do your assignment on that Deu 6:4

Yahweh our God, is one Yahweh.
That's what it says , 419 quoting rubbish for us.

No son of God is Yahweh - Psalm 89:6. Yahweh is our Father not Jesus.

zodiakzax:
... So is Father not a title? Stupid idiot... the title of Jesus is Everlasting Father... This was a prophesy about Jesus, He was called the mighty God, Jesus never called himself the Son of God, it was others testimony about him that says He's the Son of God.. Jesus even though was in the nature God never equalled himself to The Father.... Humility.... but others testimony he is God and Lord... idiot...Jesus is the Everlasting Father...

I don't think anyone ask u who is the everlasting father. We only want to know who is OUR Father.

Jesus is not our Father - John 20:17. FACT

But Yahweh is OUR Father , Jesus is not - Isaiah 63:16


No son of God is Yahweh - Psalm 89:6

zodiakzax:
You are stupid, Isaac is not only a mere son He is the only Begotten Son... block head

Very silly , I even throught u will say he isnt a son , So u admit he is a son ? , Jesus is a son too ( Rev 2:18) .

NO SON OF GOD is Yahweh oooooo , Psalm 89:6

zodiakzax:
See how block headed you are.... per your analogy how does two become one? You see how your face turn blue... You shy Abi? That's why it's said you know nothing about the trinity, stupid illiterate like you.. three persons [GODS] making one God that's the trinity you idiot so if two persons can become one so three can become one.... two becoming one flesh isn't confusing but three becoming one is? Stupid pagan, block head like you...

And of course an illiterate like can't even type my name well...

Fixed ! U quickly change it to. Person. but u can say husband is one flesh, wife is another flesh , why not say husband is one person, wife is one person as well ? Fraud person , 419


silly person , Jesus admit they are two flesh , but will become one flesh . Why not admit you have two Gods at John 1:1 too, but that u want them to become one God ?

Are u now telling me your TWO GODS at John 1:1 will have to become one God too ? Hahahaha

Who is the One God composed of, One or two persons ? " one God and Father of all " Ephesians 4

So the one God is actually the Father of all, 419 not three person's/Gods , just one .

johnw47:
ha ha, oh duh false jw joz, no god wasn't with god, Father was with the Word
God is a Spirit, Father and the Word are two persons having that one Spirit which is God:
Joh_4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.



duh false jw, even kindergarten kids know that God is one, not two gods

talking of Father and the Word singularly as separate persons, you can say: God the Father and God the Word , but
talking of Father and the Word jointly as God, if you were to say: God the Father and the Word,
or God the Father and the Son, as per john 1:1 shows, then you would be correct
but being a false jw you wrongly believe they are two gods and not one, and so you lie and try to make out christians also believe in your false polytheist doctrine


christians know that Father and the Word is one, as according to God's word
you false jw's say Father and the Word are two gods
god and a god
almighty god and mighty god


Deu_6:4  Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:




laugh, false accuser joz, talk about being blinded:
2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Guy, remove the veil in your eyes and see the highlighted , U are worshipping two separate GODS . that are with each other

johnw47:
2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


Father and the Word, are two persons in God
not two gods in god, oh quadruple duh

That devil has really blinded you.

false jw joz
of course you don't believe God, and twist-change much of what He inspired to be said:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God , and the Word was God.

God was with God ? Unless u want to deny the word is God , So God the word was WITH God the Father, two Gods

zodiakzax:
Stupid idiot, you have no sense and knowledge about the trinity.... You that said Jesus is another god isn't that saying there are two gods? THE word is God, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God.. That is trinity you idiot... So if the Word which is God is with the Father which is God, is God not with God? Illetrate like you...


Look at your stupid analogy with the bucket.. we are talking about spiritual things u are talking about bucket..

Husband is one flesh

Wife is another flesh

Which should make them 2 flesh based on your analogy but the bible says these two will become ONE FLESH not two.. Stupid idiot.... challenge that..

No single thinking is left with you. Did Jesus said they are not TWO ? He said these TWO , admitting they are two, but will BECOME one flesh ... U should ask how they become one flesh instead of embarrassing your silly self.

Are you now saying this TWO GODs will become ONE GOD. ? don't let me laugh o

zodiakzax:
Stupid idiot, you have no sense and knowledge about the trinity.... You that said Jesus is another god isn't that saying there are two gods? THE word is God, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God.. That is trinity you idiot... So if the Word which is God is with the Father which is God, is God not with God? Illetrate like you...


Look at your stupid analogy with the bucket.. we are talking about spiritual things u are talking about bucket..

Husband is one flesh

Wife is another flesh

Which should make them 2 flesh based on your analogy but the bible says these two will become ONE FLESH not two.. Stupid idiot.... challenge that..

God was with God ... Two Gods. Silly u . Word ( God ) is with another God [Father ] .

With!!! Use your bra.in

zodiakzax:
... upon all your pillar to post, you have failed to address Isaiah 8:6 where Jesus is called the Everlasting Father... ... Isaiah called Jesus the Everlasting Father because Jesus Is our Creator you idiot... Jesus is Yahweh..

Who ask u why they Call Jesus everlasting Father ? U are not smart , Isiaiah 9:6 is a title. Jesus is Not the Father , Jesus himself said it. John 20:17 , why are you arguing with him ? U see where your lack of wisdom has driven u

zodiakzax:
You are caught and just trying to be stupid, If Isaac is a son of Abraham then why was he the begotten? Abraham had two sons and ishmael is the eldest but Isaac is said to be the Only begotten Son of Abraham.. don't be stupid and don't play with words you pagan.. You are against your very own organization..Stupid ostrich..

Zodik or whatever is your name, u no smart at all , Is Isaac a Son ? Idiot, Jesus is a son of God . Rev 2:18 , When will u have sense

No Son of God is Yahweh!!!

johnw47:
oh duh confused jw joz, go back to kindergarten

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God.

The word was God right ? And the word ( God ) was WITH God.


With indicate MORE than one

So two Gods are there with each other.