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rottennaija:
Please come again. I think I am lost in your explorations and should include the scriptures that support your points

she already did.

The Greek word diatithemi is to make a covenant . what is that COVENANT For a Kingdom Jesus was making at Luke 22:28-30. Old or new ?

Her points were clear

Jessicha:
To answer no means u said Jesus lied.

He makes a covenant with them for a kingdom , and they will rule as kings. This he referred to as the new covenant ( from the same Greek word)


Strong's Concordance
diatithémi: to place separately, i.e. dispose of by a will
Original Word: διατίθεμαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: diatithémi
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-at-ith'-em-ahee)
Definition: to place separately, dispose of by a will
Usage: (a) I appoint, make (of a covenant) , (b) I make (a will).

Just as the Father makes a Covenant with Jesus for a kingdom too . and he will rule as King. Let them say the Father didn't covenant with Jesus.

That's the extent they have been deluded.

rottennaija:
I asked you for prove I said I don't believe in the Bible or God. You have not shown me yet, better start responding to it before I'll drag you to all nairaland members to show them you, a Jehovah's Witnesses is a serial liar, and I will. By the end of the day, show me the proof or tomorrow, I'll create a new topic, tag all members of nairaland and call you out

TATIME , MAXIMUS69 ,

This fellow is a serial liar, he is trying to dodge but it's not going to work, I initially wanted him to disgrace himself on a public level by opening that thread, before I launch my evidence but I will let It pass .

Follow the link below, In a Reply to Tempem 11:17am , July 13 2016 , He categorically state clearly that He Doesn't believe the Bible.

https://www.nairaland.com/3223626/jehovahs-witnesses-promote-police-hatred#47494990

achorladey:
The post you responded to has something related to LISTENING and LISTENING CAREFULLY. Now let's see how well you have listened.

Your opening SALVO in response to OP thread as captured 10:12pm on April 13 2019 contained the BELOW........

Jozzy4 @ 10:12 pm on April 13 2019

to think u presented this ARRANT NONSENSE as fact is just a reflection of how POOR your BASIC KNOWLEDGE of the bible is.

Achorladey: At this point you have not even started ADRESSING the main issue your post is based upon, but you have attached TAGS, LABELS and you ARE ALL over the OP.

Then you went ahead to ADDRESS your AREA of CONCERN which is not a bad thing to do as captured below............

still Jozzy4 @ 10:12pm on April 13

1. the great crowd at rev 7:9 are said to be coming out from the great tribulation, for Gods sake where did the great tribulation occur ? @ context
2. Rev 19:1 says a voice LIKE , or as quoted by you "as a " , as and like are simileys , it isnt describing the great crowd but a description of the voice heard by john which wasnt specified, for Gods sake this same voice is described as LIKE MANY WATERS , LIKE THUNDER ( rev 19;6. ) just a decription not an identity of the great crowd.

Achorladey: then the below as CLOSING REMARKS....

Jozzy4: am not suprised u end up an ATHEIST and DISBELIEF in the BIBLE , not suprising at all . this POOR KNOWLEDGE says it all.

Achorladey: Your labels and tags on the OP continued.

Now to your latest post let's see if you had been listening and listening carefully...

Jozzy4: I address the half baked story the op used in starting the thread.


Achorladey: What did you start with here AGAIN, TAGS and LABEL such as HALF BAKED. The word HALF BAKED equally support what OP said concerning the part of his post you adresssed.


Jozzy4: if you have issues with the response, the post is there , so don't come up with that nonsense of leaving facts,

Achorladey: What and where is the NONSENSE coming from.

Jozzy4:.Who else would make a man leave God and to the point of saying God doesn't exist or Bible is not Gods word ? SATAN.

Achorladey: I want to believe the above is about the DEVIL.

Jozzy4: he has catch the Op alive , it's not name calling.


Achorladey: Now you see reason why the OP has called for EVIDENCE to back up your claims, ASSUMPTIONS and BOLD statement.

Jozzy4: You are gradually on your way too just like many ex witness, left to Satan's camp.

Achorladey: where is SATAN'S camp located? when Jesus abandoned JERUSALEM (JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION back then) and head outside the camp, was he LEAVING to JOIN SATAN'S CAMP?

Matthew 23: 37-39.

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. 38 Look! Your house is ABANDONED to YOU. 39 For I say to you, you will by no MEANS see ME from now UNTIL you SAY, ‘Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name!’”


Hebrews 13: 12,13......Therefore, Jesus also suffered OUTSIDE the CITY GATE in order to sanctify the people with his own blood. 13 Let us, then, go to HIM OUTSIDE the CAMP, BEARING the REPROACH he BORE, 14 for we do not HAVE HERE a CITY that REMAINS, but we are EARNESTLY SEEKING the one to COME.

When an individual leaves the WALLS of a Christian DENOMINATION does not equate to LEAVING GOD. It's simple enough to understand.

Still on Hebrews......

Hebrews 13:6 So that we may be of GOOD COURAGE and say: “Jehovah is my HELPER; I will not be AFRAID. What can MAN do to ME?

Jozzy4: Unless you receive sense before its late. U see how your friend end up?

Achorladey: Concerning receiving sense, I have drawn your attention to your post and you equally respond to the ATTENTION on this platform is an attestation that the SENSE is there and I equally beg GOD to make me get the SENSE of what I listen, read and write everyday. I hope you pick a clue from here too. It's good to LISTEN and equally LISTEN CAREFULLY.

Jozzy4: That's your companion right?

Achorladey: Tell me what is bad in having rottennaija as a companion?

Jozzy4: You must be getting really encouraged with someone who opposed the bible?

Achorladey: the scriptures cited by rottennaija so far must have been from Mathematics or history books.

Jozzy4: Online church indeed.

Achorladey: Even the organization you are a member of loves directing its ADHERENTS to visit the ONLINE Website for more information. I know you are aware. Tell us what is bad in group of people meeting online to discuss all things relating to what is contained in the BIBLE and likewise getting themselves motivated and ENCOURAGED to do good deeds.

Idiotic post, wait ! Must you talk ?

I told you someone doesn't believe the bible anymore, you are speaking rubbish, sooner or later if care is not taken , you will Join him in his pitiable state. To Even think you consider such a person who dismissed the bible , God word , shows how pitiable your present condition is

achorladey:
2 Timothy 2:26.......

And the Lord’s slave must not engage in heated disputes but be kind toward all, an apt teacher, patient, 25 CORRECTING OPPONENTS with GENTLENESS. Perhaps God will grant them REPENTANCE and then KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH 26 and they will COME to their SENSES and escape the DEVIL’S TRAP where they are held CAPTIVE to do his WILL.

The part of the scripture you need is what you cited and but the part that has to do with CORRECTING OPPONENTS with GENTLENESS is not to be taken along perhaps the reason your CORRECTION or effort to CORRECT has not been working because of the following words......

USELESS ATHEIST,

DEVIL'S TOOL,

NOTHING TO OFFER,

blah blah blah.

Take your time from start to finish on this thread to see who had been discussing with GENTLENESS in order to CORRECT. Perhaps you need to pick or seek the AWAKE PUBLISHED in the year 2000 about this....


Name-Calling


Some people INSULT those who DISAGREE with them by QUESTIONING CHARACTER or MOTIVES [b] INSTEAD of FOCUSING on the FACTS. NAME CALLING slaps a negative, easy-to-remember LABEL onto a PERSON, a GROUP, or an IDEA. The NAME-CALLER hopes that the LABEL will STICK. If people reject the PERSON or the IDEA on the basis of the NEGATIVE LABEL instead of WEIGHING the EVIDENCE for THEMSELVES, the NAME-CALLER’S STRATEGY has WORKED. For example, in recent years a powerful ANTISECT sentiment has swept many countries in Europe and elsewhere. This trend has stirred emotions, created the image of an ENEMY, and REINFORCED existing prejudices against religious minorities. Often, “sect” becomes a catchword. “‘Sect’ is another word for ‘heretic,’” wrote German Professor Martin Kriele in 1993, “and a heretic today in Germany, as in former times, is [condemned to extermination]—if not by fire..., then by CHARACTER ASSASSINATION, ISOLATION and ECONOMIC DESTRUCTION.”The Institute for Propaganda Analysis notes that “bad names have played a tremendously powerful role in the history of the world and in our own individual development. THEY have RUINED REPUTATIONS,... sent [people] to PRISON CELLS, and made MEN MAD ENOUGH to enter BATTLE and SLAUGHTER their FELLOWMEN.”

The TITLE of this thread is HOW TO GET JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES TO LISTEN. So far he has drawn your attention and to a certain degree your LISTENING EARS but you might not have been listening carefully the REASON for........

"SATAN has finally PREVAIL in his life. i hope he REGAIN his SENSES before its too late".

and........

"to think achorladey is supporting him goes to show he himself is another TOOL in SATANS HAND"

I address the half baked story the op used in starting the thread . if you have issues with the response, the post is there , so don't come up with that nonsense of leaving facts , Who else would make a man leave God and to the point of saying God doesn't exist or Bible is not Gods word ? SATAN . he has catch the Op alive , it's not name calling . You are gradually on your way too just like many ex witness, left to Satan's camp . Unless you receive sense before its late. U see how your friend end up ? That's your companion right ? You must be getting really encouraged with someone who opposed the bible ? Online church indeed

Maximus69:
Hmmm, Thanks Sir!
You know i never thought of that!
TRUST is a related virtue of TRUTH, if rottennaija could solely voice out like that in support of the Watchtower boldly and confidently saying 'the organization would disagree' with something, then what else could be his problem?

' Satan has catched them alive ' 2 tim 2:26

rottennaija has nothing to offer, he is a useless atheist . doesnt even belive the bible itself, just to let you know where useless criticism has lead him. Satan has finally prevail in his life. i hope he regain his senses before its too late. to think achorladey is supporting him goes to show he himself is another tool in satans hand

rottennaija:
Ready for a game of Bible ping-pong?

When any of their unorthodox beliefs come up for discussion, Jehovah's Witnesses will say, "I believe this because the Bible says [paraphrase of verse] at [chapter and verse citation]," while a more accurate response would have been, "I believe this because the Watchtower Society teaches us that this is what the Bible says."

Unfortunately, however, this is a point where most Christians believe Jehovah's Witnesses, as evidenced by the Christian's typical response consisting of Bible verses to refute the JW doctrine in question.*

So a typical Christian-vs.-JW encounter resembles a game of Bible ping-pong or table-tennis. The Christian comes up with a verse of Scripture refuting a JW doctrine, and the Witness responds with one of his or her favorite "proof" texts. The Christian responds with another verse, and the JW does likewise. Bible verses fly back and forth across the table until both parties, sweaty and exhausted, call a halt to the game.

A re-match the following week yields similar results. Even if the Christian manages to score more points, the JW is still a JW, and the Christian feels like giving up on JWs, concluding that it is pointless to get into a conversation with them.

In a sense, that conclusion is correct -- in the same sense that the primitive tribesman finally concludes that it is pointless to pour more cold water on the hot radiator in the apartment he is visiting.

In both cases failure is attributable to misdirected efforts. Those efforts might have succeeded if they had been aimed at the proper target.

Knocking down a Jehovah's Witness's belief system is similar to chopping down a tree. The woodsman who takes aim at the biggest and brightest leaves can swing his axe all day without results. So it is with the Christian who takes aim at prominent JW doctrines and starts swinging.

Witness beliefs on theology and the afterlife are attractive targets for Christians who know what the Bible really says on these matters. But those erroneous beliefs are upheld by the Watchtower Society, just as the leaves and branches are held aloft by the tree trunk.

Until the woodsman takes aim at the trunk, he swings his axe in vain. Likewise with the Christian who gets into debates with JWs over doctrine.

Rather than belabor the point, I'll conclude with a real-life example -- a close look at what actually happens when you show a JW a Bible verse that refutes JW beliefs:

Two ladies called at my door with Watchtower and Awake! magazines in their hands. I let the one taking the lead go ahead with her presentation for a minute or two, rejected her offer of the magazines, but then asked if she could answer a question for me before she left. I asked,

"Is it true that you people believe the 'great crowd' of believers will be rewarded with life on earth forever instead of going to heaven? Can you show me in the Bible where it mentions this 'great crowd.'"

"Yes," she replied, promptly opening her New World Translation, as I knew she would, to Revelation 7:9, where she read, "After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, and there were palm branches in their hands."

When I showed her the context [/b]and pointed out that the "great crowd" is pictured there "standing before the throne" of God in heaven, rather than on earth, she answered that all the earth stands before God's throne.

So I had her turn over a few pages to Revelation, chapter 19, which also speaks of the "great crowd," and asked her to read the first verse: "After these things I heard what was[b] [u] as a [/b] loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said, 'Praise Jah, you people! The salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God.'"

"So, where is the 'great crowd'?" I asked.

"On earth," was her answer.

"Please read it again," I asked.

This time I stopped her after she read the word heaven and asked again where the verse located the "great crowd." "On earth," was still her reply.

"What was that last word you read?" I asked.

"It says 'heaven'," she finally admitted, "but the 'great crowd' is on earth. You don't understand," she went on, "we have men at our headquarters in Brooklyn, New York, who explain the Bible to us. And they can prove that the 'great crowd' is on earth; I just can't explain it that well."

There it is! A Jehovah's Witness can look at the word 'heaven' in the Bible and see 'earth' instead -- because that is what the Watchtower Society teaches.

It is as if JWs look at the Bible through Watchtower-tinted glasses that color the meaning of everything they read.

The same mental mechanism kicks in whether the topic is the nature of God, the condition of the dead, the future hope of Christians, or any other subject the Witness has been drilled on repetitively at Kingdom Hall meetings and in the pages of Watchtower publications.

But this does not mean that discussions with JWs are doomed to failure. Success is possible if you treat the disease rather than the symptoms, if you pour the water on the furnace rather than on the radiator, if you swing the axe at the trunk of the tree rather than at the leaves. Chop through the trunk, and the whole tree will come down -- including all the brightly colored leaves that first caught your attention.

MORE IMPORTANT ARTICLES WILL BE FOUND BELOW

https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/watchtower-scandal.php

https://jwinform.com/2016/02/02/a-question-that-works-with-jehovahs-witnesses/

https://jwinform.com/2017/07/18/why-cant-i-reach-a-jehovahs-witness/


*JWs claim that they base their beliefs on the Bible. This is not true. (They really base their beliefs on instructions from Watchtower headquarters.) So, when Christians respond with Bible verses to refute the JW beliefs, this may indicate that Christians take JWs at their word -- that they base their beliefs on the Bible. Yes, it is important to answer them from the Bible. But progress usually comes only after proving that the Watchtower Society is unreliable and not to be trusted. Before a JW sees evidence of the Watchtower Society's false prophecies and back-and-forth doctrinal changes, he or she will usually accept the Watchtower's interpretation of Bible verses, rather than yours, because JWs see the Society as God's appointed spokesman.

to think u presented this arrant nonsense as fact is just a reflection of how poor your basic knowledge of the bible is.

1. the great crowd at rev 7:9 are said to be coming out from the great tribulation, for Gods sake where did the great tribulation occur ? @ context

2. Rev 19:1 says a voice LIKE , or as quoted by you "as a " , as and like are simileys , it isnt describing the great crowd but a description of the voice heard by john which wasnt specified, for Gods sake this same voice is described as LIKE MANY WATERS , LIKE THUNDER ( rev 19;6. ) just a decription not an identity of the great crowd.

am not suprised u end up an atheist and disbelief in the bible , not suprising at all . this poor knowlege says it all

asalimpo:
show me where exactly i MANIPULATED JESUS WORDS. STOP making baseless claims. Besides,while u seek a direct answer,you ppl evade direct answers to ur lies because it will find you out.
You choose to decieved because any THINKING person with pri3 education can see the truth for himself by simply reading the bible.

Very very very silly somebody, you said hell is ~~Different~~ from lake of fire. You went ahead again to say lake of fire (which is different) is also Hell. Making how many hellS ?

Either you retract your statement that lake of fire is also hell or answer the question

asalimpo:
you r a dummy for asking this question and trying to put words in my mouth? I dont need to defend what i NEVER SAID. You took something i said,distorted it out of context,now u r raving with pointed questions.

A dog that will get lost, will not listen to the hunters whistle ..

Your addition and manipulation of Jesus words is now working against you and u want to run

Rev 20:13,14 Specifically showed hell is different from lake of fire . but u went ahead to pronounce another hell by saying lake of fire is hell too. Because you wanted to help your self out of the issues u faced..

So there are how many hell then ?

achorladey:
Maximus69 @ 6:26pm stated this...........

Lastly JESUS' RETURN in 1914 affected everyone as Satan's presence was felt on earth by world war1 when Jesus was given the authority to begin ruling but only his followers could grasp or SEE that it's the PRESENCE of Jesus in power!


You made a case for this.........


Another false doctrine of your organization to be exposed from this verse is that the address is for ALL CHILDREN OF God...yet your organization CLAIMED CHRIST has COME in 1914. How many people SEE Him when CHRIST APPEARS in 1914?

His friend Jozzy4 @ 9:55pm asked you a question based on........

PRODUCE where THEY said so ? Since you don't know the DIFFERENCE between CHRIST PRESENCE and his COMING.


Please do tell Jozzy4 to ask his friend Maximus69 what he meant by JESUS'RETURN in 1914? We can from there know the difference between CHRIST PRESENCE and his COMING.

That aside, Take a look into this.......

Source: Watchtower July 15 2013......
“Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?”


Paragraphs 17. In the past, we have stated in OUR PUBLICATIONS that these LAST four REFERENCES apply to JESUS’ ARRIVING, or COMING, in 1918. As an example, take Jesus’ statement about “the faithful and discreet slave.” ( Read Matthew 24:45-47 . ) We understood that the “ARRIVING” mentioned in verse 46 WAS LINKED to the time WHEN Jesus CAME to INSPECT the SPIRITUAL CONDITION of the ANOINTED in 1918 and that the APPOINTMENT of the SLAVE OVER all the MASTER’S BELONGINGS OCCURRED in 1919. ( Mal. 3:1 ) However, a further consideration of Jesus’ PROPHECY indicates that an ADJUSTMENT in our UNDERSTANDING of the TIMING of certain aspects of Jesus’ prophecy is needed. Why so?


Paragraphs 19.

In review, what have we learned? In the beginning of this article, we raised three “when” questions. We first considered that the great tribulation did not begin in 1914 but will start when the United Nations attacks Babylon the Great. Then, we reviewed why Jesus’ judgment of the sheep and the goats did not begin in 1914 but will occur during the great tribulation. Finally, we examined why JESUS’ ARRIVAL to APPOINT the FAITHFUL SLAVE over all his belongings did not occur in 1919 but will take place during the great tribulation.

After going through the above you will indeed see how well placed this remark of yours quoted below fits.

"The verse is very self explanatory, now you twisted it to mean SPIRITUAL sighting yet trying to use a physical event of World War I to justify it.
Isn't that delusion?"

If you have issues with the various signs of Christ presence mentioned at Matthew 24 and his coming . Go and open a thread for help.

Either you join the present discussion here or keep shut if you have nothing to contribute.

Shepherd00:
You mean Thomas could not grasp why the resurrected Jesus will have flesh and bones and eat human food?

Biko gawa.

Materialized angels also have bones, flesh and he at human food. But they don't poo like humans because they are not human. They dematerialize after their assignment from their physical clothes and body.
If Jesus is human, he should poo too ?

Emusan:
No they won't, it will digest in your stomach.

Whatever enter the mouth of a human is digested and passed out of the body as Feaces. Matthew 15:17 has been quoted and requoted here, This Angel's are humans nah. Why don't they purge out the food from their body ?

Am sure even their cloths are sewed by an human. #spits on ignorance

And he who says watchtower and awake have blocked your sense of reasoning is perfectly right.



Imagine, so you want to deny that they never saw Nephilims...

Can you see how far you can go to defend falsehood, your organization gaffed instead for you to accept, you want to shift the blame on BAD REPORT...



If you have a single iota of sense, you'll have asked, are the giants HUMAN or not

Which angel responsible for the Nephilim recorded in Number 13:31

Emusan, peddler of falsehood. At least show where Israelites meet nephilims at Cannaan , is that hard ? Shior

Can a body that died for 3days still have bleeding of blood, that is the question....oponu!



If you sustained wound 3days ago, does that mean you're still bleeding on the wound for 3days? Olodo....

The tissues are still dead or what ? .

I've been advising you people to enroll in Bible study by forgetting watchtower and awake lies...

Did John say he didn't know what Jesus looks like or what the believers will be like?

See it for yourself and see the level GB has damaged your spiritual knowledge up to

"Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be..."

ehhhh but the same Jesus transfigured in the presence of John and other...can you see you're the one lying on behalf of John and not what John knows and believes.

Emusan, peddler of falsehood . he said they will be like him . and if A is going to be like B , but A isn't sure how he will be. It means he isn't sure how B looks like . since B is the pattern

Where did your brain go ?

asalimpo:
you have refuted anything i said using scriptures. Other than baseless condemnation.
Make ur points with scriptures, your claims are even more outlandish and absurd.

Defend your stupid claims, There are how many hell ?

Emusan:
Your confusion knows no bound...

Who says a spirit being LIFE depends on BLOOD before

My point is, for a spirit being to MATERIALIZE it means THE SPIRIT BECOME FULLY HUMAN at that very moment, that's why they can do what normal human can do i.e eat, drink. These are functions ONLY known FULL EARTHLY being performed, if not applying the word MATERIALIZE to them is useless.

Barrister come and carry your friend o , Normal humans food got digested too, hopefully they also does same ?

He who said u don't have sense is not wrong

See how you're disgracing yourself with simple English...

bodily adjective
bodi·​ly | \ ˈbä-də-lē \
Definition of bodily (Entry 1 of 2)
: having a body : PHYSICAL 1 : of or relating to the body
// bodily comfort
// bodily organs 2

bodily adverb
Definition of bodily (Entry 2 of 2)
: in the flesh
: in a manner that involves physically moving someone's body

You neglected the BODILY PART but hold on to only APPEAR, whereas to appear simply signifies THE PRESENCE of that spirit.


Lastly, a spirit can't MATERIALIZE without having complete human body.



So to you the Nephilims are NOT ACTUALLY HUMAN.

Well this is what your lying organization has to say "The Nephilim were giants, the violent superhuman offspring produced when wicked angels mated with human women in the days of Noah."

Who is lying between you and your organization?

Even from that article, your organization lies that the Nephilims were destroyed/wiped out during the global flood leaving no more Nephilim, whereas, in Number 13:31-33 Nephilims were saw in the land where the Israelites spy visited.

Below is the screenshot of the article....

Is it Materialized angels that gave birth to them too?


When I say you people lack scriptural knowledge, I have my reasons.

Numbers 13 :31 was a bad report . See where falsehood has led you ?

The angels are humans , yet breed Giants . why ?

Where in the scripture was stated that Thomas finally touched Christ?

Also, you're among the people Atheists see to abuse Christianity as people who don't use their brain.

Jesus has died for 3days, where have you seen a dead body even over ten hours not to talk of a whole 3days bleeding before

I must save this post...i said it awake and watchtower have blocked your brain.



Please, try to hide your face in shame!

He is alive . we are not talking of dead body. Barrister lol, come see film ,

He has wound, yes or no ? Is he alive ?

How can you openly lie and twist scripture like this

Does that verse say "THEY WOULD HAVE BECOME LIKE HIM to see Him Oh my God!

You people don't have a single shame...how can you blatantly lie against scripture just to suit your selfish self?

I challenge you to show everyone here the scripture where is was written that "THEY WOULD HAVE BECOME LIKE HIM TO SEE"

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. NIV

Beloved, we are [even here and] now children of God, and it is not yet made clear what we will be [after His coming]. We know that when He comes and is revealed, we will [as His children] be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is [in all His glory]. AMP

Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be.
We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is. NWT

No doubt from these versions that it's until Christ appears that Children of God will see Him for who He is and be like Him.

Another false doctrine of your organization to be exposed from this verse is that the address is for ALL CHILDREN OF God...yet your organization claimed Christ has come in 1914. How many people see Him when Christ appears in 1914?

Produce where they said so ? Since you don't know the difference between Christ presence and his coming.

Face matter , How come John talk sey he never know how Christ looked like despite the human appearance they saw ?

Hairyrapunzel:
Your illiterate colleague said jesus asking Thomas to touch the wound means the wound was healed as Jesus is not flesh and blood.

Then your illiterate colleague doesn't even know the meaning of appear.

Illiteracy is a disease
Last last paradise earth and Armageddon na work of fiction. It will only remain inside your head.

I don't expect him to reply me cos he is programmed and brainwashed not to reply me. At least others are reading it . You even read it and reacted . He is seeing it and reading it so are others.

I reacted because you sound silly . am sure others can see too, in fact I now see why he treats u like the silly person you are . that was classic of him .

Barristter07:
A spirit being life isn't depended on Blood, they don't become human . they appear bodily






Okay listen



materialize - /məˈtɪərɪəlʌɪz/
verb
1. become actual fact; happen.
2. (of a ghost, spirit, or similar entity) appear in bodily form.

Appear NOT Become .

If they become humans , Angels of Noah's day won't have born giants or Nephilims, aren't they humans, They should have given birth to normal men like human?


Sense is above you.

They are humans o, just gave birth to nephilims by mistake .

Where is your thinking faculty ? Did Thomas touch blood! ?

He said touch the WOUNDS . showing its a broken skin , deep cut.

Wound definition :


1. an injury to living tissue caused by a cut, blow, or other impact, typically one in which the skin is cut or broken.

Cut or broken indicates presence of blood in a human skin.

When a wound is dressed, blood doesn't come out ?

A wound doesn't bleed blood when dressed its water that comes from it.

They would have become like Him to See. Read

Why this statement if they were ignorant like you to believe what they saw is what Jesus looked like ?

Hairyrapunzel:
You are really an illiterate. How come touching a wound signifies that the wound has healed. You people will go to any length including lying and peddling false statement to justify your non biblical assumptions as being true.

You were the person who said Jesus Christ should have had blood from the wound assuming he was human. And another person called you out on your ignorance.

Appear:

1. come into sight; become visible or noticeable, especially without apparent cause.
"smoke appeared on the horizon"
synonyms: become visible, come into view, come into sight, materialize, take shape; informalpop up, bob up
"a cloud of dust appeared on the horizon"
be revealed, be seen, emerge, manifest itself, become apparent, become evident, surface, come to light, arise, crop up, occur, develop, enter into the picture


2. seem; give the impression of being.
"she appeared not to know what was happening"
synonyms: seem, look, give the impression of being, have the appearance/air of being, come across as being, look as though one is, look to be, strike someone as

Barristter07 , Really like the way you treat this guy like a nobody . that's a typo , check his post again. Someone who say its healed wont went ahead to quote a dictionary that says it's broken skin .

asalimpo:
paul isnt talking about Jesus having a Different body! But the same body CHANGED. he likens it to a seed sown. The seed dies,rots and is completely done away with. But a new one grows from inside the seed. That aspect trips you all up. But Jesus body didnt rot or decay. His bones were never even broken! Yet he was in the same body glorified! But still the same body.

Same body but it doesn't have blood like the former that depend on blood . #spits# at this ignorance.

Not another body. If God was creating a new body they'd be no need for scars and holes etc because only man could put those holes.
Do some thinking.
As for the passage i mentioned, which u chime on. Yes,Jesus called the lake of fire Hell! When speaking in matthew. It trps you up but that's the truth. If you contest my assertion logically go ahead. My proof is valid. But since u cant argue logically nd originally,u are left regurgitating whatever junk jw feed you.

With this nonsense u just spew

Someone ask: there are how many hell ?

Barristter07:
Buhahaha Damage control

Eeyah, you forgot you respond to a post that says I guess souls are trapped in the Sea. Your response was a reply for what you think happened to those souls in the sea .

Okay , what happened to the souls of people that DIED in the SEA ?

Cc: jozzy4

He never reply o

asalimpo:
let's get this straight. Jesus died, then within 3 days, as spirit&soul were in hell, God destroyed the original body that was wrapped in cloths. Then fashioned a new body, which looked like the original! Got a replica of the roman nails he,was nailed in. Used it to put holes in this new body. Went to the soldier who killed Jesus by stabbing his side with a spear. Borrowed the spear, stabbed this new fabricated body in this side. The borrowed the whip that was used to lash him. Lashed this new false body. Got a crown of torns, slammed it into the head of this mannikin. Got the exact nails-2 nails. Hammered his hands. Then,quickly replaced the old body with this, while Jesus spirit was in hell! Wow Wow Wow! Jesus arose in this body which was exactly like the old. Then appeared to thomas in it and asked him to in essence "see. See where the romans stabbed me (fat lie- He shouldav said where papa God stabbed me) . Put ur fingers in my side where the roman soldier stabbed me (fat lie- it's God that stabbed Him) ).
So God fashioned a body for Jesus twice? That's what you are saying.

God Himself broke scriptures which says- you shall not allow your holy one see corruption i.e the body of messiah will never decay/rot by obliterating it.

God broke scriptures because Jesus said destroy this temple,his body and in 3 days He would raise it up - the same temple. Not another temple.

You mean God acted like a sneaky thief,for what.

You mean Jesus tomb was visited supernaturally twice. But only one visit is recorded.
Why would God and the father go through this wasteful process. A redundant wasteful foolish and unwise process.
Why would God nd Jesus lie to thomas? Dude! Ur sick in ur mind to believe this nonsense. Damn,is this d junk they feed you! May God hav mercy on ur sick minds. This is so stupid it's unbelievable. Extremely stupid. It seems when satan wants to corn ppl,he sells d basest most mocking ridiculous lies to them. Mayb so that he'll mock them at what they believe.

Its a stupid person that would believe Jesus was raised with a body dishonored with wound and scars . it was sown in dishonor and raised in GLORY . says the scripture. You bible twister Mr hell is lake of fire is telling us he was raised in Dishonor

asalimpo:
who is God? A spirit right. Yet God sees hears talks etc. An angel,a spirit being,rolled away (used his hands,spiritual object) the stone of the tomb. Are u so daft to not know that the spirit form of the richman, had the senses of the body? Can see hear remember and feel pain? Or you've been brainwashed to think spirit means immaterial

This would put to rest your other questions . the story ain't real. If real FAce the question again

God is a spirit . but a spirit does not have flesh and bones


Touch your tongue, it's what ? Pure Flesh.

Why would the rich man possess a Tongue of Flesh If he was spirit ?

Didn't Jesus say body and soul ?

Maximus69:
If only you know what wonders spirit beings can do to suit any purpose of theirs! When Elijah had encounter with God,he[God] appeared in different forms and at last the Bible said God wasn't even in any of those things Elijah saw! 1King 19:11,12 Surely it is angels that God sent to do all of that[ Exodus 13:21 compare to 14:19]yet Elijah is hearing the voice of God!
So when you hear SPIRIT know that they can arrange anything as in ANYTHING to prove a point yet they only used such means purposefully because it's within their capability! Jesus is alive as a spirit being once again not as flesh but Thomas who has suffered all the humiliation and abuses for being with the Christ needed to be convinced so that he too could be bold enough to teach others about the resurrected Jesus!
So Jesus would do everything possible to strengthen his friend!
Regarding the resurrection of Jesus and his born again brothers Paul said 'they died and were buried in the flesh but resurrected in spirit form'! 1Corinthians 15:44-47
Jehovah's Witnesses,thank you ooooo!

A round of applause. The guy just want to use style deflect to another thing. He don hit wall with the hell topic , na to run go another thing remain.

asalimpo:
he hasnt shown anything. Just twisting scriptures . Mayb u can help him out

He speak with valid proves, u are the one doing the above. According to bible, is hell lake of fire ? Why are you twisting it after you admitted they are different ?

asalimpo, go and solve your issues on the other thread

asalimpo:
YOU ARE the cause of your own ignorance. You hav to die on dry land to go to hell? All other avenues keeps ur soul with ur body so if u die in the sea. Your body rots nd dies but ur soul stay in the sea. This is what u are saying! Where dyu get this broken logic?
why do you assume that the soul has to be with the body AT DEATH?

Revelation 20:13 simple

The dead in the sea are not in hell _ agree ?

So what happen in one affect the other . body and soul in sea, body and soul in hell . same time.

The story of rich man highlight am sef .

Why are bodies not in your imaginary hell right now ? Another lie of asalimpo getting flogged

asalimpo:
where does it say, that at death, body and soul go to hell at the same TIME! you hav not shown that neither hav u made any point.

Matt 10:28 said it. Didn't the story u presented highlight this as the rich man possess human body with tongue ( pure flesh) ?

asalimpo:
you are dumb and foolish,you cant interprete a simple verse correctly. How does the verse you have quoted translate into the warped claim you are making?
How?
So many illogicalities in your reasoning can b extracted from that verse. Your are publishing ur foolishness to the world.
How does that verse translate to ur claim

Sense you no get. Why did the rich man has Tongue which is a flesh and a part of human body ? Come and explain . according to Matthew 10:28 Body and soul are together and that story highlight it.

Your fake head cannot grasp simple logic

asalimpo:
he hasnt shown anything. Just twisting scriptures. Mayb u can help him out

He didn't twist scripture . Your fake head was busy twisting scripture that hell is lake of fire. He exposed una for who you are.

Barristter07:
This you also admit PUBLICLY " hell is distinct from the lake of fire "



Liar

Lolzzzz

asalimpo:
so that means body and soul must be in HELL AT THE SAME TIME?

No different time, since it's different time in the sea too

Barristter07:
Challenge the point, have proven why its SAME TIME .



" fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matt 10:28 .


You see am ?

Noooo, Sea will release body and soul , but hell will release only soul Lolzzzzzzz. If somebody die in the sea, they won't go to hell so their soul will be in the sea

Don't kill me with laff

asalimpo:
where does it say body nd soul go to hell? Answer categorically

Is something wrong with you, he has given you the place he said so