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achorladey:
Jozzy4: Heaven is not earth .

Achorladey:

Jozzy4: Is Adam from heaven ?

Achorladey: Did the EARTH create ADAM?

Jozzy4: I was only been sarcastic,

Achorladey: Your palaver.

Jozzy4: If earth is heavenly place that means everybody on earth is in heavenly places

Achorladey: It means there are HEAVENLY PLACES ON THE EARTH. The reason you see saying like MIDHEAVEN etc. while still in the REALM of the EARTH. Did the BIBLE not equally show HUMANS as BEING in HEAVENLY PLACES on the EARTH?

Jozzy4: Is that what Paul had in MInd?

Achorladey: Feel free to tell me what he had in mind.

Jozzy4: U still don't get the sense of it

Achorladey: You are the logic MASTER here, help me GET the SENSE of IT.

Don't you have shame, Where is the heavenly places on earth ? Paris or London . chai

achorladey:
you want to put words in my mouth. Hahaahahahaah!

WRIGGLE FREE ko YAMMAYAMMA Ni?

comeback and tell me I didnt respond to your post,

are there HEAVENLY PLACES on EARTH?

I repeat............is the earth an HEAVENLY BODY?

Hahahahahahaha

Did the EARTH create ADAM?

Cover your eyes in shame. Everybody is in the heavenly places going by your silly logic ?
Show us the heavenly places on earth ?
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Jesus is presently in the heavenly places

" he raised him [Christ ] up and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places " Eph 1:20

What does that tell you about the location of heavenly places ? Earth abi ?

Cover your eyes in shame .

achorladey:
Jozzy4: You agree Christ himself will be in heaven.

Achorladey: Not even "will be", Christ is in HEAVEN up till NOW.

Jozzy4: After all his priesthood cannot function on earth.

Achorladey: The reason why he JESUS CHRIST is STILL there?

Christ will be in heaven, where will those sitting on his left and right be ?

Now look at this........Hebrews 9:26-28 for then he would have had to suffer again and again since the foundation of the world. But now he has APPEARED ONCE for all at the CONSUMMATION of the ages to put AWAY SIN by HIS SACRIFICE. 27 And just as people are appointed to die once, and then to face judgment, 28 so also, after CHRIST was OFFERED ONCE to bear the sins of many, to those who EAGERLY AWAIT him HE WILL appear a SECOND TIME, not to BEAR SIN but to BRING SALVATION.

Does this ring a BELL to your HEARING?

Jozzy4: If those with him are to sit on his left and right . that points to the Place he is. Heaven.


Show me the WHERE, HEAVEN and the part that states and how equally that scripture POINT to the PLACE JESUS CHRIST in the SCRIPTURE under consideration.

Someone ask you already

Does it say he would appear and dwell on earth ?

achorladey:
Show me the "WHERE" in the scriptures now?

Regarding HEAVENLY PLACES, Are there HEAVENLY PLACES on THE EARTH?

Heaven is not earth .

Is Adam from heaven ?

Jozzy4: I keep on saying it that you lack logical sense,

Achorladey: Mr LOGICAL SENSE, show me the WHERE in the scripture? You cited it now?

Jozzy4: no wonder everyone on earth is now in the heavenly places

Achorladey: I want to believe the above seems to mean you agree that the EARTH is an HEAVENLY BODY and will equally show you that there are HEAVENLY PLACES ON EARTH. The reason you state........ " no wonder everyone on earth is now in the heavenly places"

Hahahahaha.

I was only been sarcastic, If earth is heavenly place that means everybody on earth is in heavenly places

Is that what Paul had in MInd ?

U still don't get the sense of it

achorladey:
Your friend cited a scripture, you supported what he cited. Show me the WHERE in that scripture?

Mr everyone on earth is in heavenly places

If someone is to seat on the left and right of Jesus , since Jesus is in heaven, would they also not be in heaven for that not to be a lie ?

achorladey:
Jozzy4: No.

Achorladey: What is NO?

Jozzy4: It says sitting ON MY LEFT and RIGHT . " MY " Jesus.

Achorladey: What difference does it make to the scripture below

You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign ON THE EARTH.”

ON MY LEFT and RIGHT ON THE EARTH

Jozzy4: Even the 2Corinthians u quoted says " heavenly dwelling " .

Go back and read and see what is in there?

If someone seat at the right hand of God, it means they are in heaven with him and very close to him

If someone is to seat at the right and left of Jesus who is in heaven , where will they be ?

malvisguy212:
very lame excuse. okay here is this one In Exodus 3:14-15 we learn that JEHOVAH is
the great "I AM." According to the Gospel of John, Who is the great "I AM" ?

In your eyes now, you are good shey ?

Please an angel also answers I AM .

Does that also mean that Angel is God ?

Cc: malvisguy212

alBHAGDADI:
It's a waste of time arguing with those heretics. Arguing about prophecies and the word of God in it's entirety with them is a total waste of time.

They are not born again and therefore lack the Spirit of God. They have confessed times without number that they are natural men and not spiritual men. So, how come you expect them to understand the Bible which is the word of God which is spirit?

Jesus speaking....

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


They are natural men, how do you expect then to receive the words of Jesus which is spirit and can only be spiritually discerned by someone with the spirit of God?

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

They think they can study the Bible and understand it without having the Holy Spirit, but that's a lie. Look at that Ethiopian Eunuch who was reading the scroll but couldn't understand it. He couldn't because he didn't have the spirit of God to be able to understand the word of God which is spirit. It took Philip, a spirit-filled man, to explain it to him. And because he was willing to learn, he understood and accepted Jesus.

This ones don't want to learn towards accepting the spirit which will enable them receive the things of the spirit. So, if you continue arguing about the prophecies of Daniel and Revelations, you will only be wasting your tine because they can't receive it unless they first receive the spirit which gave those prophecies

You are the real heretic if you don't know

Anyone who undermine Baptism as not necessary IS NOT IN CHRIST

Thank you for showing your.true color to the world.

daviddove:
help me ask me what jesus mean when he said they should baptise them in the name of father and the son nd the holy spirit

He sees baptism as a physical thing, his logical sense is not that open to the fact that Baptism is not just cleaning the body but a request to God for a clean conscience . its not just a physical activity , its connected with a persons spiritual life.

Infact one of the primary teaching of True Christianity is " Baptism " Heb 6:2


Anyone who try to undermine it as less important or not neccesary is under the influence of demons

daviddove:
help me ask me what jesus mean when he said they should baptise them in the name of father and the son nd the holy spirit

He sees baptism as a physical thing, his logical sense is not that open to the fact that Baptism is not just cleaning the body but a request to God for a clean conscience . its not just a physical activity , its connected with a persona spiritual life.

Infact one of the primary teaching of True Christianity is " Baptism "


Anyone who try to undermine it as less important or not neccesary is under the influence of demons

achorladey:
Show me the " CAN ONLY BE WHERE HE IS" in that SCRIPTURE?

Atleast you have seen this from me before.......

You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign ON THE EARTH.”

That you say I used a wrong translation shows you have seen my answer but don't accept.

Jozzy4: That alone destroy your wrong translation.

Achorladey: Just like the one you make use of. No problem.

I keep on saying it that you lack logical sense, no wonder everyone on earth is now in the heavenly places

If someone will be on MY left or my Right , are they in my location OR elsewhere ?

Cc : Barristter07

alBHAGDADI:
Born of water does not mean water baptism same way born of spirit does not mean physical birth. How you managed to separate both is what I find dubious.

Jesus even further explained that the process of being born again which involves being born of water and spirit is something g eyes can't see just as we can't see the wind where it comes from and where it's going.

John 3:8 (KJV)
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.




Your mistake is that you think when one becomes Born again, it means he will live as a spirit forever. You even went ahead to say that those JW who are born again will live as spirit forever in heaven. Doesn't this contradict your doctrine of soul-sleep? You mean born again spirits will now seized time exist until resurrection or they will continue to live as spirit while you remaining jw remain dead?

What you fail to know is that when we become born again, God gives us his spirit. During resurrection, we get to wear our perfect bodies and not live as spirits but humans.

Smh it is sown a physical body and raised a spiritual body
He is talking about ressurection

What is born of spirit is Spirit ? Is it not Jesus that talk am ?

You cleverly deleted other verses and points that prove my stance and picked the one you could twist.

God who sanctified the Church by washing it has been in the business of doing so right from the old testament. Washing wasn't strictly for the church alone but for all believers. God who did it today did it yesterday.

U lied , Blood of goat and ran can't wash away their sins. Offpoint

Ezekiel 36:25-26 – Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. I will place My Spirit within you and cause you to follow My statutes and carefully observe My ordinances.




Bath or wash, what's the difference? Nothing.

Bath is continuous, born occur once

Yes, Jesus said to be Born of WATER. But that doesn't mean one will become water. Or are you trying to tell me that your JW 144,000 will not only live as spirits but as water as well?

The water Jesus emphasized on there is spiritual washing away of sins and anything that can make man stand guilty before God.

As seen, born of water and spirit aren't physical effects but spiritual and unseen. The spirit is when God gives us his spirit for believing in his son, while the washing is when God washes away all our guilt.

1 Corinthians 6:11 (KJV)
And such were some of you: but ye are washed , but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God .

So you see, you came up with a lame response.

You are the silly one, Jesus himself never said what is born of water will be water
Because he knows the meaning and instruct his disciples to baptize as well

shadeyinka:
I think I have answered that.

Just like the Dragon represented Satan,
The Beast represented a personality (an instrument of satan)



If the bible gave an interpretation to guide us using the dragon with seven heads as an example, how come a personality was replaced with a Government?

I read your response to barrister and see you don't even have a clue what you are talking about. If you do, identifying the personality should not be hard . but he present evidence for his own point using Daniel 7:3 and 23 .

My own is since you are not ready to identify the personality , that means we can't use the Rev 20:10 . Let's see Revelation 20:14 ... Will death and Grave be burning in fire or cease to exist ?

achorladey:
The HE (JESUS CHRIST) appointed the THEY as a KINGDOM and PRIESTS to serve and REIGN ON THE EARTH.

What stops him( THE HE) from having them on the RIGHT and on the LEFT ON THE EARTH?

Broken record indeed! Still asking Jesus left and right seat? Hahahahahahaha.

No.
It says sitting ON MY LEFT and RIGHT . " MY " Jesus.

Even the 2Corinthians u quoted says " heavenly dwelling " .

achorladey:
Jozzy4: I had to quote this again, its one of the most silly responses have ever heard.

Achorladey: Usual distraction, I equally have done so to your post. Do you agree they are EQUALLY SILLY?

Jozzy4: knowing fully well that there are translation that equally says over the earth

Achorladey: The would seem to me that you already got an ANSWER from me but you feel AGRIEVED that my position as to the scripture I cited has not changed. Therefore the need for me to ACCEPT your "OVER" instead of "ON".

Jozzy4: Answer that question to see if your ON earth is correct , Where is Jesus left and right hand located?

Achorladey: Show me the "WHERE/LOCATED" in the scripture you cited?


Mark 10:40 but to sit at my right or at my left is not mine to give. It is for those for whom it has been prepared.”

You agree Christ himself will be in heaven. After all his priesthood cannot function on earth

If those with him are to sit on his left and right . that points to the Place he is. Heaven.

achorladey:
Jozzy4: The power of darkness still rule the earth actually - 1John 5:19

Achorladey: He DELIVERED US from the power of darkness and TRANSFERRED us to the KINGDOM of the SON he LOVES,

Does the power of DARKNESS RULE over YOU Now?

Not only did he delivered US he transferred US.


Jozzy4: Is that a future statement?

Achorladey: when you respond to the question above you will know.

Jozzy4: lolzzzzz

Achorladey: Have fun

Paul confess that an angel of Satan disturb him in his body, So that occur.in Jesus kingdom ?

Hahahahaha

Jozzy4: Barrister come and carry this guy from here o,

Achorladey: Your friend did not bring me here, I was even on this thread before your friend JOINED the discussion.

Jozzy4: Earth is not heaven.

Achorladey: I know.

The EARTH is an HEAVENLY BODY. You AGREE?

Jozzy4: "The first man is from the earth and made of dust, the second man is from heaven "

Achorladey: Did the EARTH create Adam?

Jozzy4: Is Adam made from heavenly places ? Broken record.

Achorladey: Did the EARTH create Adam?

Jozzy4: Loolzzzzzz

Achorladey: It contributes to healthy living.

Jozzy4: Earth is not heaven,

Achorladey: I know. The EARTH is an HEAVENLY BODY. You agree?

@bold
Logical sense is not with you, that would mean everybody is in heavenly places right now since they are all on earth
Dispute it and disgrace yourself more.

I ask:,Since we are dealing with location not who made Adam, Is Adam made from heavenly place? Cos bible said its Jesus that's from heaven

Jozzy4: Are u saying that verse is a lie?

Achorladey: What verse are we TALKING about here.

Jozzy4: When were they ever seated in heaven?

Achorladey: Is my name appended to that scripture? I know you can see what is written there clearly.

When did Paul ever seat in heaven ?

achorladey:
Jozzy4: The power of darkness still rule the earth actually - 1John 5:19

Achorladey: He DELIVERED US from the power of darkness and TRANSFERRED us to the KINGDOM of the SON he LOVES,

Does the power of DARKNESS RULE over YOU Now?

Not only did he delivered US he transferred US.


Jozzy4: Is that a future statement?

Achorladey: when you respond to the question above you will know.

Jozzy4: lolzzzzz

Achorladey: Have fun

Paul confess that an angel of Satan disturb him in his body, So that occur.in Jesus kingdom ?

Hahahahaha

Jozzy4: Barrister come and carry this guy from here o,

Achorladey: Your friend did not bring me here, I was even on this thread before your friend JOINED the discussion.

Jozzy4: Earth is not heaven.

Achorladey: I know.

The EARTH is an HEAVENLY BODY. You AGREE?

Jozzy4: "The first man is from the earth and made of dust, the second man is from heaven "

Achorladey: Did the EARTH create Adam?

Jozzy4: Is Adam made from heavenly places ? Broken record.

Achorladey: Did the EARTH create Adam?

Jozzy4: Loolzzzzzz

Achorladey: It contributes to healthy living.

Jozzy4: Earth is not heaven,

Achorladey: I know. The EARTH is an HEAVENLY BODY. You agree?

@bold
Logical sense is not with you, that would mean everybody is in heavenly places right now since they are all on earth
Dispute it and disgrac yourself more.

I ask:,Since we are dealing with location not who made Adam, Is Adam made from heavenly place? Cos bible said its Jesus that's from heaven

Jozzy4: Are u saying that verse is a lie?

Achorladey: What verse are we TALKING about here.

Jozzy4: When were they ever seated in heaven?

Achorladey: Is my name appended to that scripture? I know you can see what is written there clearly.

When did Paul ever seat in heaven ?

achorladey:
Jozzy4: I can equally say OVER the Earth. Fixed

Achorladey: Just like I can EQUALLY say ON THE EARTH. Fixed

Jozzy4: When Two of the disciples who are to be king and priest approach him for privilege of sitting left and right of him,

Achorladey: Eh en.

Jozzy4: that shows they KNEW they will be with him in HEAVEN.

Achorladey: Show me how THEY know in that cited scripture. Here it is again.

Mark 10:40......but to sit at MY RIGHT or at MY LEFT is not mine to give. It is for those for whom it has been prepared.”

Jozzy4: This Jesus didn't deny,

Achorladey: Deny WHAT.

Jozzy4: only said its for those whom its prepared.

Achorladey: Good you know the above?

Jozzy4: is Jesus left and right hand ON earth?

Achorladey: The reason I state this again.......



The HE (JESUS CHRIST) appointed the THEY as a KINGDOM and PRIESTS to serve and REIGN ON THE EARTH. Hahahahaha!

Answer the question properly, sitting on Jesus right and left can only be where he is. That alone destroy your wrong translation

shadeyinka:
It still doesn't stop you answering my question.

It is when that question is answered that we can understand each other. Otherwise, we shall be using the same words but mean Different things.

How many kinds of Death is spoken in the Scriptures?

I like that point he made on physical death. U should have challenged that.

I know two, physical and spiritual death. But what Barrister07 said on both is still correct.

You can't be spiritually alive and dead at the same time

You can't also be physically dead and alive at the the same time.

shadeyinka:
There are two major beasts spoken about in Revelation.
1. The beast with seven Heads
"Rev 13:1: "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."

2. The beast with Two Heads
Rev 13:11: "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Satan himself is the Dragon who gave powers to the beasts

Rev 13:4:
"And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast : and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"


The two beasts aren't literal. They are figurative expression of Satan ruling over the Governments of this world through his instruments .

The most solemn warning in the Bible is given to people who worship the beast.

“If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath.” Revelation 14:9,10


It seems that the second beast with two heads is also referred to as the False Prophet

Rev 16:13: "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet."

Rev 19:20: "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Rev 20:10: "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever"

Come out clearly, Now that we know the beasts are not literal, lead the way ... Who does this beast represent ? Its important to know

achorladey:
Barristter07: " that you may ... sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of isreal " Luke 22:29.

Achorladey: Revelation 5:10.  You have appointed them as a KINGDOM and PRIESTS to serve our God, and they will reign ON THE EARTH.”

" 10 You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.” , this sitting down at my right or at my left is not mine to give but it belongs to those whom it has been prepared " Mark 10:40

Achorladey: So?

Barrisster07: Jesus left and right hand, on earth?

Achorladey: Revelation 5:10.  You have appointed them as a KINGDOM and PRIESTS to serve our God, and they will reign ON THE EARTH.”

Barristter07: Listen to Jozzy4, whatever affect Jesus , also affect those to sit on thrones as Kings!

Achorladey: what was recorded in Revelation 5:10 was not penned down by me, it carries this...........appointed them as a KINGDOM and PRIESTS to serve our God, and they will reign ON THE EARTH.”

The reason I ask this question.........

Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?



Barristter07: " if he were on earth, he won't be a priest " - Heb 8:4

Achorladey: You have my response on this.

Barristter07: He or they, same applies

The HE appointed the THEY as a KINGDOM and PRIESTS to serve and REIGN ON THE EARTH.

Then the question is........


Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST(the HE) the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

I had to quote this again, its one of the most silly responses have ever heard . knowing fully well that there are translation that equally says over the earth

Answer that question to see if your ON earth is correct , Where is Jesus left and right hand located ?

achorladey:
Jozzy4: An angel on earth is a spirit materializing in an earthly body.

Achorladey: So what BODY are they in before MATERIALIZING on the EARTH?

Jozzy4: But once their assignment is finished, they return to heaven and DISCARD the Fleshly body for the proper body of their " proper dwelling place" Jude 6.

Achorladey: The above means the ANGELS already have HEAVENLY BODIES, should God give them assignments on earth they MATERIALIZE to carry it out as the case requires. Despite having HEAVENLY BODIES nothing prevented THEM from coming to carry out assignments ON THE EARTH. You agree?

That doesn't occur anymore. !

Jozzy4: Jesus hadn't return to this home of his Father, his place of dwelling,

Achorladey: Yes,

Jozzy4: HE CONTINUE to MATERIALIZE an earthly body likewise as not to be found naked

Achorladey: Why did HE CONTINUE to MATERIALIZE an EARTHLY BODY if HEAVENLY BODY is ABSENT as at THEN? After all you said angels MATERIALIZE and they do so because of the HEAVENLY BODY they HAVE.

" earnestly desiring to PUT on the one [Body] for us from heaven. So that when we do put it on we will not be found naked " - 2 Cor 5:3 Read

A spirit without a body is naked! Jesus had to materialize an earthly body. Till he returns to heaven

Jozzy4: Which body did the apostles see?

Achorladey: You tell me.

Jozzy4: If he wasn't given, he won't have died when on earth.

Achorladey: The verse cited didn't state there that HE WAS GIVEN?

Jozzy4: so there was a time he doesn't have it.

Achorladey: When the scripture clearly states HE ALONE POSSESSES IMMORTALITY.

Jozzy4: So WHOEVER said given is correct! ...

Achorladey: and the WHOEVER is ?

Jozzy4: When you are given something, it in becomes your possession

Achorladey: The verse cited didn't say anything concerning GIVEN, You are FIXING given into it.

Jozzy: The point here is 1Tim 6:15 a reference to a certain King of King and Lord of Lord, the name of who ? Rev 19:16

Achorladey: Is the King of king here and Lord of Lord here same as the ONLY SOVEREIGN?

Good u didn't deny whatever you are given is a possession.



Who is given the title King of King and Lord of Lord ? Rev 19:16

achorladey:
Jozzy4: Oh, they are currently seated in the heavenly places on earth and reigning presently?

Achorladey: Colossians 1:13, 14 He delivered us from the power of darkness and TRANSFERRED us to the KINGDOM of the SON he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Oga Jozzy4 are you among those already TRANSFERED to the Kingdom of the SON. If you agree, are you equally SEATED in the HEAVENLY PLACES despite still ON THE EARTH?

The power of darkness still rule the earth actually - 1John 5:19

Is that a future statement ?

lolzzzzz

Jozzy4: Planet Earth is now heavenly places?

Achorladey: Do we have HEAVENLY PLACES on the EARTH or NOT? were you to address the EARTH itself, will you call it a HEAVENLY BODY or EARTHLY BODY? If it's an HEAVENLY BODY, Does that not tell you we have HEAVENLY PLACES on the EARTH?

Barrister come and carry this guy from here o,

Earth is not heaven.

" The first man is from the earth and made of dust, the second man is from heaven "

Is Adam made from heavenly places ? ? Broken record

Jozzy4: captivator come and see something

Achorladey: Your friend will indeed see LITERALLY and not FIGURATIVELY.

Jozzy4: The 1000 Years has begun?

Achorladey: Did you see me state that the 1000 years has BEGUN? Does the world GOLDEN AGE rings bell to your hearing. Atleast when it comes to SPECULATIONS and ASSUMPTIONS based on dates the organization which you are a member are masters of it. e.g 100 years of Christ REIGN

Jozzy4: How many years did Paul spent on earth, I thought it should be 1000? Heavenly places indeed.

Achorladey: He spent 100,000 trillion years on EARTH? Whatever you think about 1000 is minimal to this one. Christ SEATED them in HEAVENLY places while those apostles were still on EARTH and have no HEAVENLY BODIES. Yes Heavenly places indeed.

Jozzy4: Reigning with Satan the ruler of this present world ?

Achorladey: That colossians 1:13 will just be fine.

Loolzzzzzz

Earth is not heaven , Are u saying that verse is a lie ? When were they ever seated in heaven ?

achorladey:
Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

It seems you don't know we have equally attended to the HE issue in the course of this discussion so far

I can equally say OVER the Earth. Fixed

When Two of the disciples who are to be king and priest approach him for privilege of sitting left and right of him , that shows they knew they will be with him in heaven. This Jesus didn't deny, only said its for those whom its prepared . is Jesus left and right hand ON earth ?

achorladey:
Barristter07: " that you may ... sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of isreal " Luke 22:29.

Achorladey: Revelation 5:10.  You have appointed them as a KINGDOM and PRIESTS to serve our God, and they will reign ON THE EARTH.”

" 10 You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.” , this sitting down at my right or at my left is not mine to give but it belongs to those whom it has been prepared " Mark 10:40

Achorladey: So?

Barrisster07: Jesus left and right hand, on earth?

Achorladey: Revelation 5:10.  You have appointed them as a KINGDOM and PRIESTS to serve our God, and they will reign ON THE EARTH.”

Barristter07: Listen to Jozzy4, whatever affect Jesus , also affect those to sit on thrones as Kings!

Achorladey: what was recorded in Revelation 5:10 was not penned down by me, it carries this...........appointed them as a KINGDOM and PRIESTS to serve our God, and they will reign ON THE EARTH.”

The reason I ask this question.........

Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?



Barristter07: " if he were on earth, he won't be a priest " - Heb 8:4

Achorladey: You have my response on this.

Barristter07: He or they, same applies

The HE appointed the THEY as a KINGDOM and PRIESTS to serve and REIGN ON THE EARTH.

Then the question is........


Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST(the HE) the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

Broken record answer the question: Jesus left and right seat is ON EARTH ?

achorladey:
Jozzy: Go and read that 2Cor chapter 5_ did Paul talk about receiving a body so as not to be found unclad?

Achorladey: Christ was resurrected in spirit, did you see anyone see that spirit UNCLAD? Why did he Materialized, your friend once said like the angels do materialize. So what body do angels have? Why do they materialize?

An angel on earth is a spirit materializing in an earthly body. But once their assignment is finished, they return to heaven and DISCARD the Fleshly body for the proper body of their " proper dwelling place" Jude 6 .

Jesus hadn't return to this home of his Father , his place.of dwelling , he continue to materialize an earthly body likewise as not to be found naked

Jozzy4: I repeat! Heavenly body was given him when he returned to heaven

Achorladey: So what body was he using when he was resurrected?

Which body did the apostles see ?

Jozzy4: To whom is that title applied ?

Achorladey: You have my response to this already.

Jozzy4: The key word is " possess " . when you are GIVEN something, it becomes your possession.

Achorladey: Did the scripture states that he was GIVEN? It states HE ALONE POSSESSES not GIVEN?

If he wasn't given, he won't have died when on earth . so there was a time he doesn't have it. So whoever said given is correct! ... When you are given something , it in becomes your possession

Jozzy4: Among the kings and Lords of the earth, he alone has immortality. I repeat, to whom is the title King of King and Lord of Lord given.

Achorladey: You are still talking about title, is CHRIST the ONLY SOVEREIGN too or he WAS GIVEN that too as a TITLE?

The point here is 1Tim 6:15 a reference to a certain King of King and Lord of Lord, the name of who ? Rev 19:16

achorladey:
Its better to go back and read that response to Barristter07 again.

You brought HE into the discussion, I fixed the HE into the scripture for you to see, since the HE has APPOINTED them as a KINGDOM and PRIESTS ON THE EARTH.



Therefore the question.........?

Is there anything STOPPING CHRIST the HEAVENLY ONE from REIGNING with those he made KINGS and PRIEST ON THE EARTH?

Hahahaha whatever affect the " He " Jesus , affect those of Rev 5;10 as well
Where Jesus is , they will be . forgotten some of them would even sit on throne, at Jesus right and left hands ?

This is why it's important you address the He issue of been on earth. It affect those ruling as king and priest with him

[quote author=achorladey post=78541938][/quote]Quote me very well man

shadeyinka:
Your explanation was what I commented upon as making no sense NOT your personality!


QUESTION REPOSTED
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ANYWAYS, NEXT QUESTION!


LAKE OF FIRE
From the following scriptures:
Rev 20:10:
"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever"
Rev 19:20:
"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."
Rev 20:14:
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

Rev 20:15:
"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."




If the devil, the beast and false prophet are tormented for ever and ever in the lake of fire, what happens to everyone else whose name is not found in the book of life?


Please note the scripture:

John 5:29: "And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."[/quotte]

The Question Rephrased:
The bible clearly states that the devil , the beast and the false prophet are tormented forever and ever.

The Bible clearly states that anyone whose name is NOT in the book of life is thrown into the Lake of Fire.

Are those people annihilated or tormented with the devil?
Recall that there is certainly a resurection of the wicked as well as the resurection of the righteous.

Is the beast a literal beast ?

achorladey:
Jozzy: At bold, your translation gave you away. if he were ON EARTH, he won't be a priest!

Achorladey: You want to infuse the sense of direction of what Paul is discussing about with those Paul had in mind into what John is being made to see and write about which is to take place shortly.

Ok let me replace the "YOU" contained in Revelation with the "HE" you are bringing into it, that Revelation can then be rewritten as


HE HAS appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will REIGN ON THE EARTH.”

Abi no be so?

Open your eyes , You advocate an earthly priesthood , that Christ will serve as a priest ON EARTH Not from heaven


Scripture said if he were ON EARTH , he won't be a priest

If Christ is on earth, he is not a priest. That is why he can't be on earth

achorladey:
Jozzy4: Will they eventually go there? Yes!

Achorladey: When they are seated already in heavenly places while on earth, you are talking about EVENTUALLY go there.

Jozzy: If you disagree, Was Paul lying about God raising them up and sitting in the heavenly places? I need an answer

Achorladey: Did you see RAISING or RAISED, SITTING or SEATED in the scripture cited.

Revelation 5:10 is still available to see.......You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will [b] REIGN ON THE EARTH.”

[/quote]Oh, they are currently seated in the heavenly places on earth and reigning presently?

Planet Earth is now heavenly places ? captivator come and see something


The 1000 Years has begun ?



How many years did Paul spent on earth, I thought it should be 1000 ? Heavenly places indeed



Reigning with Satan the ruler of this present world ?

achorladey:
Jozzy4: 2 Corinthian 5 can enligthen you, when discussing the difference in the Two bodies , he said it's important to get the one from heaven , so they won't be find " Naked" In their spirit being state.

Jesus materialize so as not to he found naked. All through the 40 days , he was seen in that materialized body, does not mean he changed body. Heavenly body is for heaven.

Achorladey: The problem is not about getting one from heaven, did Jesus had to go to heaven and comeback after resurrection before he got one? After all you said he materialized in order to be seen.

Concerning this...."Jesus materialize so as not to be found naked" can you see spirit up to the extent of finding the spirit NAKED? I don't know ooooooo am willing to broaden my knowledge in that.

Go and read that 2Cor chapter 5_ did Paul talk about receiving a body so as not to be found unclad ?

I repeat! Heavenly body was given him when he returned to heaven

Jozzy4: To whom is that title applied in the scripture ?

Achorladey: Thank God you the bolded part. The question here is answered already.

To whom is that title applied ?

Jozzy: Am defending my strong position that it a reference to Jesus.

Achorladey: Oga defend your strong position ooooooo.

Did he ALONE possess IMMORTALITY or he WAS handed to him as a REWARD?

The key word is " possess " . when you are given something, it becomes your possession.
Among the kings and Lords of the earth, he alone has immortality .

I repeat, to whom is the title King of King and Lord of Lord given ?