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Emusan:
Your ignorance didn't know when people talk about God the Son, they only refer to the identity of what the Son is before coming to earth.

That's why I do say, without knowing when scripture is talking about Christ in His preexisting form and when He became part of the creation. You won't understand shittty

That's exactly what am asking

So he was a son by identity before coming to earth ?

Barristter07:
God sent his son

After which came the statement " born of a woman "

Isn't that clear enough ? Galatian 4;4

Am asking: Was God his Father before birth or only when he was born ?



The identity is not just The Word. The identity is a son
Romans quoted for you is enough point
God sent his son

After which came the statement " in the likeness of flesh "

@ the point of been sent and instructed on what to say, he is a son.

Thank you bro _ another thing is :

How can Jesus say no one knows the Father except the son , if his sonship only exist on earth ? He is clearly speaking of a close Father - Son relationship that exist before the world of human

Emusan:
The @color says alot about the spirit in you!

Are you still a trinitarian ?

Does God the Son exist before Jesus came to earth ?

Does the Father - Son relationship exist before creation ?

achorladey:
The question to that post is still right there for your eyes to see.

Jozzy4: You see your life?

Achorladey: I am not looking for my life? Your own dey miss?

Achorladey philosophy: Earth is an heavenly body _ automatically everything on earth, everybody on earth are in heavenly places

rottennaija:
Let me understand, do you mean that in the kingdom of Christ, nothing bad or trials should happen?

[/quote]Are Bad things and trials part of Gods will ? ( Matthew 6:10)

achorladey:
psychiatrist Jozzy4 and MENTALLY DISEASED EXPERT did the thorn in the FLESH PAUL GOT nullified PAUL being already TRANSFERRED into the Kingdom of the son HE LOVES.

Did power of darkness RULE over PAUL? Even the scripture talks about being DELIVERED from POWER of DARKNESS.

mentally diseased detector do POWER of DARKNESS RULE OVER YOU?


But he said to me, “My GRACE is ENOUGH for YOU,

GRACE enough for WHAT?

Thorn in the flesh in Jesus kingdom ? An angel of Satan in Jesus kingdom ? mentally diseased

shadeyinka:
Is this not Prophetic?

Not prophetic, Is he a son before coming on earth ?

CAPTIVATOR:
Everybody on earth is seated in heavenly places ? @red

Can you see clearly that an apostate is indeed mentally affected ?

achorladey:
You still respond to SILLY RANT. hahhahahaha!

Colossians 1:13 will be just fine.

Apostate are indeed mentally ill
And an angel of Satan can still give him slaps in the kingdom of Jesus ?

achorladey:
When Paul wrote that letter, WHERE WAS HE?

In HEAVEN? Hahahahahahah!

Earth is not heavenly places.

Unless it means everybody is in heavenly places including pagans.

You see your life ?

Barristter07:

Probably the United states of America

Or Paraguay

Good evening my Brother

achorladey:
My point made and you know that already.

Therefore the same Paul that states in

Ephesians 1: 20....which he exercised toward Christ when he RAISED HIM UP FROM the DEAD and seated him at his RIGHT HAND in the HEAVENLY PLACES,

states this as well

Ephesians 2: 6 Moreover, he raised us up together and SEATED us TOGETHER in the HEAVENLY PLACES in UNION with CHRIST JESUS.

While Paul was STILL ALIVE and KICKING right HERE ON THE EARTH he wrote this to the Ephesians.

After all I am not the writer of Ephesians.

Since you said what does Ephesians 1:20 state about LOCATION of HEAVENLY PLACES?

Let me equally ask WHERE was PAUL when he stated........ AND SEATED us TOGETHER in HEAVENLY PLACES? In HEAVEN?

Earth is not heavenly places . confirmed fact. Or else it will mean even pagans are in heavenly places guy u need help

Paul isn't in any heavenly places when he wrote that!

So my position on a future hope in Heaven with Jesus in his heavenly places is Enforced.

If you think Paul is in heavenly places, where is it located on earth ?

achorladey:
When PAUL wrote the account in Ephesians 2:6 WHERE WAS HE when he WROTE that ACCOUNT? On the RIGHT HAND SIDE/ LEFT HAND SIDE of JESUS CHRIST in HEAVEN?

Hahahahaha!

Is Paul already in heavenly places while on earth ?



Or you still maintain that silly rant that everybody on earth is in heavenly place ?

shadeyinka:
I have told you: because he was BORN
Isa 9:6-7:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given : and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from now on even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

Before coming to earth , is he a son ?

Emusan:
Hypocrite!

Read my post again, were you be able to differentiate between when scripture spoke about Jesus preincarnation and postincarnation?

Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON

How was He begotten?

Emusan Lolzz , oh this go make sense die!
I ask again:
Before coming to earth , is Jesus a son ?

shadeyinka:
You accuse me of quoting verses of God's word: That is where I take my authority not from some organisation who claim to know God for me!

Even though this post didn't refer to you, one of you just told me now that the FIRE in "Hell Fire" was an insertion. I have just blown him away with a proved response. Are the posted images lies?

See how you are arguing like only atheists do!?

Just wait

1Pet 3:18-20:
"For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison ; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

1Pet 4:5-6:
"Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.


Hell is a place and abode for ungodly souls!

To show why your inference is wrong
Since you assert the prison mentioned is HELL , Nroda , Do you know that those who died in the sea in Noah's day are not in hell ?
Read revelation 20:13 are those in the sea said to be in hell ?

Emusan:
And the truth is Jesus wasn't created, so your translation is faulty.

Jesus is the Son of God because He was born by God on earth

Jesus was The Word of God before His incarnation.

The Word of God is God!

I'll continue to say, until you people will be able to differentiate between when the scripture is talking about Jesus before He became part of creation and after He entered creation (become part of creation) then you people will continue in your delusional.

Liar liar .

For God sent his only begotten SON.
Who did he sent ? If he wasn't a son before
God the son didn't exist before he came to earth ? no such thing as Trinity ? Una they rope yourself

shadeyinka:
Isa 9:6-7:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from now on even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

Jesus was the Son, for He came as a Son in the finite world!

We can argue the beginning of Jesus, but can you argue the beginning of the WORD?

John 1:1:
"In the beginning was the Word , and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

If God created everything with His Word, what did He use to create the Word?

So many misquote above.

Just tell me why he is called Son of God ?

shadeyinka:
I have attached an interlinear translation for you to confirm if the word fire was inserted by the translators of the bible for
Mat 5:22: "
But I say to you, That whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Mat 18:9:
"And if your eye offend you, pluck it out, and cast it from you: it is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire."



https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/5.htm

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/18.htm

Did you see the word "Pyros"?
What does it mean?



If God can render a man unconscious
AND
Man can render a man unconscious

There is no difference because an unconscious man knows nothing!

And why would there be resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous when all God needed to do was NOT to wake up the wicked?
Please help me answer these questions:

1. If God is JUST would He reward works done in righteousness?
2. Is the reward for the righteous the same irrespective of their works?
3. If God is JUST, would He punish evil works done in wickedness?

Be quoting verses up and down, and it doesn't support una , if your eyes offend you , it will go to hell, Mr shadeyinka , people carry their bodily organs to hell ni ?

Chai

Of course angels have Spiritual Bodies and except by a special permission from God they don't put on physical bodies.

The Bible Says God is a Spirit!
John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

Hence God has a spiritual body and identity just like a human body has a physical body and identity.

Look at what the Bible says of angels:

Heb 1:7:
"And of the angels he said, Who makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire."

Spirits don't need to breathe, do they?

Hence your definition of spirit is very narrow. A spirit is a living LIFE and IDENTITY!

If a Spirit has a Spirit Body, how come you say a human spirit is just what keeps him breathing?

1Ths 5:23:
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Can you not see that man is a Trinity of a body , soul and spirit?

That is why those who perished during Noah's flood can be preached to by Jesus Christ! If they were unconscious, then it is impossible for them to be reached

Where did Jesus preach to victims of Noah's flood , in hell ?

Barristter07:

Scroll up , you would see where they even said Jesus is angel ooooo .

Emusan:
What is this one saying

Am asking a question. Is Jesus not created ? Why called Son of God ? At least before you accuse someone of changing meaning, we must be certain about how genuine is your claim

shadeyinka:
Very simple:
Have you checked the NWT of the same passage. Why didn't they use "Jehovah" for "a god"?

Act12:22 (NWT)
22 Then the people who were assembled began shouting: “A god’s voice, and not a man’s!”

How did indefinite article ('a') find it's way into the NWT when it does not even exist in any koine Greek or Bible manuscript ?


In the Greek culture, even though theou was used, it wasn't refering to Jehovah. Was it?

Is there a Doctrine that is being protected?
No ulterior motive!

Unlike yours, we know why you do what you do!

As far as Jesus is created , no ulterior motive.
If you think Jesus isn't created.
You can tell this thread why Jesus is called Son of God ?

shadeyinka:
What does the Hebrew text say?
What does the Greek text say?

Would you also insert WORDs so that the Jew would be decieved?

Is inserting the word other wrong ?

Abeg answer

shadeyinka:
Let me first address 1Pt @bolded!

I will copy an extended version as you never seem to read the bible in context.


1Pet 3:18-20:
"For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but, quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Ignorance , the greek word " quickened " means Made Alive or ressurect . smh

The preaching occurred after he was made alive . not while dead

1Pet 4:5-6:
Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead , that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."


Is your conclusion still that
?

Men can still judge them, they are still physically alive . this context is spiritual death mr

Jesus was put to death in the body and rose as a body
1. If Jesus rose as a Spirit why did he say "do not touch me.."
John 20:17:
"Jesus said to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brothers, and say to them, I ascend to my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

2. If Jesus rose as a spirit, how could he be touched?
John 20:27:
"Then said he to Thomas, Reach here your finger, and behold my hands; and reach here your hand, and thrust it into my side: [/b]and be not faithless, but believing."

3. If Jesus rose as a Spirit, how could he eat?

[b]Luk 24:40-43:
"And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said to them, Have you here any meat? And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them."


Can you see your false theology?

The rest of your post isn't worth a response!

Christ was made alive/Ressurected as a Spirit being .
Jesus materialize a human body to be seen.

If he didn't materialize, How come the disciple going to Emmaus didn't recognize the face speaking with them ?

shadeyinka:
First who are these people:
A great multitude who came out of the great tribulation (tribulation on earth) but where are they? (Where did John see them?)

Rev 7:14-15,17:
"And I said to him, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sits on the throne shall dwell among them. … For the Lamb which is in the middle of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them to living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Where is the throne of God?

The guy has replied you beautifully

They are on earth where the great tribulation occured . are we not before the throne of God presently despite been on earth ?

Emusan:
So to you adding the word OTHER in those verses didn't change the narration and the intended point of the original writer....

Wasn't the word OTHER added to place Jesus as second created being

If other translations do it, it's to support their false doctrine but if JWs does it, it's justified and right!


Hypocrisy and JWs are 5&6

Emusan agreed Other is not wrong ,

Stop attacking straw man, Why is Jesus called Son of God if he wasn't ccreated ?

Since he is created, JW are right

Barristter07:
There is a question tagged W1 . vital
Related to Matthew 10;28 quoted by shadeyinka,

Expecting your responses.

Thank you for that point

@ alBHAGDADI , shadeyinka

Body and soul in HELL ?

Why is body not following soul to hell presently ooooo ?

shadeyinka5:
You are still learning from your mentor Paul Joseph Goebbels !

Sinister!
Doesn't "other" change the narrative?
Why don't you use "other" in every other places at least we shall know that you are consistent!

Name calling , simple question: Is it wrong to use other in translation ?

Barristter07:
First, There are various translations that rendered the Greek word e-lay differently and not me in all context , the root meaning can also mean WHOM ! . Keep in mind that the strong concordance in your screenshot only highlight the KJV usages .


Secondly, But let us look at the KJV context and see If it support the " Me " translation.

Zech 12:10:
"And I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look on me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."


Why the sudden change from ME to HIM ?

A question to you shadeyinka . so who is pierced, who is mourned for ?

I cannot laugh . I want answers

Na someone else dem Pierce , na another dem mourn .

What a translation

Maximus69:
Hmmm,
That is WISDOM!
ANGEL is different from ANGEL, but God is not different from God? John 1:1 compared to John 1:18 and 1Corinthians 15:27-28
Abeg give this guy a MEDAL!

alBHAGDADI:
They don't know that THE ANGEL of the Lord is different from AN ANGEL of the Lord.

Angel is Angel o

Are you saying Jesus = Angel ?

I must bookmark this thread

malvisguy212:
that's another problem you JW have to solve. I know, the Bible speak of a particular Angel that the Bible address as the ANGEL OF THE LORD.

The angel of the LORD called to
Abraham a second time from
heaven ( Genesis 22:15 ).

In this instance the angel of the LORD, who called out to Abraham, seems to be the LORD Himself. so this is even more problems to you guys.

Lol, so let me get you clearly ... Are you saying Jesus =Angel ?