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Primesky:
God bless you bro. May the grace of God keep you from falling, and may God use you to win others to Him.

I sincerely pray for Peaceful love and OneJ, that God will reveal Himself to them.

achorladey:
TATIME: My people has an adage in Yoruba land,they used to say "if the one LIED to is ignorant of it of course the LIAR knows certainly that he's lying"

Achorladey: Nice adage indeed, It also fit perfectly with the organization too. What's your take on this?


TATIME: but in this case the audience has been taught to detect lies yet the liar keeps arguing furiously!

Achorladey: Who is the LIAR? Who/What is the lie detector?


TATIME: I wonder what these slanderers are calling those trained by Jehovah.

Achorladey: You are the one doing the name calling all these while. Are the names you have exhausted. Feel free to provide one.


TATIME: Just imagine,Jesus is the HEAD of the CONGREGATION,

Achorladey: This is true, very true

TATIME: Jesus Himself warned people of false prophets coming to deceive people using His name.

Achorladey: This is correct as well.


TATIME: OK you've IDENTIFIED the false prophet

Achorladey: Were the discussions based on Identification of false Prophets? Jesus christ gave you and I keys to identify such false prophets. I believe you are a mature christian therefore, you should be able to do that.



TATIME: but who are the ones Jesus is using today and the CONGREGATION they're supervising?

Achorladey: You expect me to answer bah? Ok, Jesus is using his disciples Matthew 28:19,20. My initial question on this is available on this same thread. Please respond to that question too.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT............Matthew 28:20. And look I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things. The Head of the Congregation has power to supervise his Congregation. Don't limit such to men that are prone to mistakes or err in organization direction and dictrinal matters.



TATIME. NO ANSWER. In fact wonders shall never end walahi

Achorladey. The world you and I live in is filled with wonders. You and I should be grateful for been part of it.



Bye!

alBHAGDADI:
Pls, which mistake did Jesus make?

Is this the garbage watchtower teaches you people?

alBHAGDADI:
Pls, which Bible verse commands Christians to be submissive to some IMPERFECT chosen ones aka GB?

You keep requesting for an organization that is better than JW as if it is organization that saves. You have placed JW organization above Jesus who died for our sins.

If you leave JW today, nothing will happen. You will be better off as long as you believe in Jesus Christ.

alBHAGDADI:
What you are saying is that it is an organization that saves? That means the sacrifice if Jesus Christ is not what saves but an organization which has to be JW?

Can you see how deceived you people are? You have thrown away the blood of Jesus Christ and gone to embrace an organization as your saviour.

Look here, a man is saved not by the church he attends nor by an organization, but by believing in Jesus Christ.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The above verse doesn't say we have to believe in Jesus and also belong to an organization before we can be saved. It says we simply only have to believe in him, that's all.

achorladey:
Jozzy4: what a pity

Achorladey: What is there to pity about?

Jozzy4: Since Jesus is the head of the congregation , have you found that congregation?

Achorladey: I have found the head(Jesus Christ) of the Congregation and he has also lead me to every other member of the Congregation. Which I believe you are part of except you (Jozzy4) want to class or Isolate yourself.

Jozzy4: If you have, air it and stop chickening , unless you don't believe Jesus has a congregation over which he is head

Achorladey: My views are clear for you to see. I am not chickening out. Yes, I do believe Jesus has a Congregation and you can see my response on that already.

achorladey:
Jozzy4: Stop acting like a coward , anyone can say Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Tell me your " Knowledge " of who Jesus is ? John 17:3

Achorladey: My knowledge about Jesus in summary is found in the book of John Chapter fourteen verse six. Please read!

Jozzy: according to 1 Cor 4:5, am not asking you to judge anything.

Achorladey: Sorry for that!

Jozzy4: Am asking you to tell me what the scripture outlined as hope for those who accept Christ and those who don't.


Achorladey: I share the same as that of apostle Paul according to his words recorded in Acts 24:15..... And I have a hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. John 5:28,29

John 3:36 also states The one who exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; the one who disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.


Jozzy4: Air your views

Achorladey: I hope you can see and read my view now.

Segunty:
sir, am not throwing tantrum... but read with understanding sir....! hope u study my reply well.... in revelation Jesus said Am d Alpha and the Omega... pls if jesus is the Alpha n d Omega tell us d position of God if Jesus as been d alpha n omega..., if jesus is in the father pls can u seperate ur soul from ur body n still functions.... Mind u the Life of Jesus is Paradoxical Man in God n God in Man.. allways attend bible study.... n read with it revelational knowledge... once more read with d inspiration of holy spirit....tnx

achorladey:
I believe you are at the midweek meetings for week August 6-12 First question under digging for spiritual gem. What is the explanation the organisation gives for the GOOD FOR NOTHING slaves mean to you.

You are still waiting for me to give the name of a group. Please answer the questions I asked earlier concerning this. Then I can place appropriately where you should belong.


Keywords in your latest post makes me laugh. HONEST-HEARTED. The organisation will tell you to seek honest-hearted ones when asked to go out there to preach.

This tells me they are honest-hearted already before coming into the organisation. So which organisation that is honest-hearted are you looking for again?

As it seems you are restricting honest-hearted group to the Jw Organisation. Sorry bro! Try better next time.

achorladey:
After reading through the post you responded to, you still dont know? Go back and read it again.

Jozzy4: let's see how far you are better than the witnesses.

Achorladey: is this a competition or what? Is this what you have reduced christianity and the word of God to.

As regards hope for those accepting and not accepting Christ, (Read 1 Corinthians 4:5)

achorladey:
Jozzy4: Quoting John 14:6 up and down is not the sign of Christian maturity

Achorladey: Define "christian maturity" for me bro. I see you are better placed to do so.

Jozzy4: Tell me what you believe about Jesus , and who he is to you to let's see if there is something the witness believe about him that is not true by you

Achorladey: what is there to know about Jesus that is not captured in John 14:6? Please feel free to explain.

TATIME:
"Good for nothing" means someone who feels so much pride to the extent that he/she is dying out of ego whereas NO ONE is benefiting anything from him/her! So my question again is "who are those that a honest hearted and sincere person associate with as Christians today?" If you can't point to a specific group then all your posts and comments against a firmly established group like JWs is just "GOOD FOR NOTHING"

TATIME:
Really i don't like responding to their obstinacy whenever i see any Apostate criticising Jehovah's organization,i only respond to inquisitive and honest hearted person demanding a reason for the FAITH i'm now having in Jesus (the one i was taught formally to be just another prophet) but my background as a Muslim won't allow me to keep quiet listening to stupidity of the highest order How can someone keep eating from a table and at the same time declaring that the food you're eating as POISON One of these good for nothing idiots said he was at the meetings and can you imagine? Just this last Sunday! And still he is condemning those preparing such spiritual meals In fact there are much more insane around than those unclad madmen we're seeing in the streets walahi.

achorladey:
TATIME: How long will you continue to behave like Satan?

Achorladey: The question is one that do not deserve an answer. My responses to your conversation so far does not look like one ready to deceive, restrict and resist the freedom of others. These are what Satan stand for I don't want to be a party to such.


TATIME: Well for your information, Apostate means someone who denounce his/her faith yet kept following day to day the programs of the abandoned faith without producing or adhering to one SPECIFIC form of faith!

Achorladey: Apostate(someone whose beliefs have changed and who no longer belongs to a religious). Your definition carries DENOUNCED instead of RENOUNCED.
I see no correlation between FOLLOWING and ABANDONED used in your definition. You might want to check again

FOOD FOR THOUGHT............Have all other religious organization apart from the JW organization RENOUNCED their faith?


TATIME: Neither Jehovah nor Jesus can be referred to as Apostates because the first is the originator of FAITH and the second always follow whatever the first without FILTERING the information before consumption! John 8:28


Achorladey: Jehovah is not interested in jeopardizing the great commission he gave to Jesus Christ. The God you and I serve is not a MAN that tell LIES. So Jesus do not need to FILTER anything coming from the SUPREME BEING.


Your scenario cannot work for the governing body and the leaders of the Organization you subscribed to. They admit to error and mistakes in doctrines and organization direction. Therefore the need to filter whatever is coming from there.

You answered correctly that indeed God and Jesus are not APOSTATE. That's commendable!

FOOD FOR THOUGHT...........a test of your knowledge on being an Apostate. To the eyes of the Jewish religious leaders, the pharisees and the Sadducees, is Jesus an APOSTATE?


TATIME: Jehovah kept quiet about the identity of Satan until the story of Job was recorded, HE kept quiet about idolatry for centuries until HE gave Israelites laws through Moses to expose idolatry, He kept quiet for centuries about the falsehood in the Jewish religious settings until John the Baptist and Jesus came to expose them. And today Jehovah kept quiet for almost 2,000 years before exposing the falsehood in the Churches of Christendom.

Achorladey: Watchtower May 2018 "Know Your Enemy" 3rd study article.......paragraph 1,2

ADAM no doubt knew that serpents cannot talk. So he may have surmised that a spirit creature had spoken with Eve through the serpent. ( Gen. 3:1-6 ) Adam and Eve knew virtually nothing about this spirit. Even so, Adam made a conscious choice to turn his back on his loving heavenly Father and join this stranger in resisting God’s will. ( 1 Tim. 2:14 ) IMMEDIATELY, JEHOVAH BEGAN TO REVEAL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS ENEMY who had corrupted Adam and Eve, PROMISING THAT THIS WICKED ONE wouuld eventually be destroyed. BUT JEHOVAH ALSO WARNED that for a time, the SPIRIT CREATURE who spoke through the serpent would HAVE THE POWER to oppose those who love God.​— Gen. 3:15.

2. In his wisdom, Jehovah has never TOLD US THE PERSONAL NAME of the angelic son who rebelled against him. * And God chose not to reveal even the descriptive name of that enemy until some 2,500 years after the initial rebellion

From this particle article which form bases of your point above, tell me how God had been keeping quiet? Or show how God was tight lipped on who Satan is?

The prophets the nations of Israel killed repeatedly, WHO sent THEM? Matthew 23:37 The person WHO sent them was HE keeping quiet?

FOOD FOR THOUGHT........... is jw.organization part of Christendom whose falsehood are being exposed today?

TATIME: So if you're not OK with the agent HE used to expose such falsehood just present ANOTHER agent that's worthy of such a huge assignment.

Achorladey: No other agent suit the post other than the agent described in Acts 4:15 it states..........But you killed the CHIEF AGENT OF LIFE. But God raised him up from the dead , of which fact we are witnesses.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT..............will you readily accept the Plea of Peter back then now or you remain stubborn like the Jewish adherents back then who are not ready to abandon the superstructures symbolized by the temple in Jerusalem just like you don't want to abandon the GB who say they are error prone.



TATIME: Neither Moses,John the Baptist nor Jesus continued FEEDING from the routine spiritual food been served by the Jewish religious leaders, therefore if you're not a good for nothing idiot like Satan the Devil your father why not stop listening and repeating what JW organization is teaching?

Achorladey: In Matthew 16:6 Jesus said to them: Keep your senses opened and watch out for the leaven of the pharisees and Sadducees.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT..............by stating these words in Matthew 16:6 has that made Jesus a culprit of feeding from the Jewish poisons so to say.

TATIME: Why not start your own and invite people to come EAT UNDILUTED AND WELL FILTERED spiritual food?

Achorladey: The only food that has God's approval is recorded in John 6:27. Read!

Let me add Galatians 1:9 to this.... it States........ As we have said before, I now say again, Whoever is declaring to you as good news something beyond what you accepted let him be accursed.

TATIME: Why keep shouting POISON when you have NOTHING to serve as a REPLACEMENT of JW.org? My friend you have nothing tangible to say,you're all GOOD FOR NOTHING IDIOTS.

Achorladey: Shouting poison keh! The first person to use that word in this conversation will be you If am not mistaken.

Please do follow the advice given to you by Maamin........drive home your point without insult.

Please do copy Jesus Christ in this aspect as well 1 Peter 2:23....... When he was being insulted, he did not insult in return. When he was suffering, he did not threaten but he entrusted himself to the One who Judges righteously.

achorladey:
Please don't forget you said GOOD FOR NOTHING IDIOTS. Not just IDIOT. A Creation made by God called GOOD FOR NOTHING IDIOT.

Not your fault its part of the training received from the organization. Rather than admit the failings and apologize they shift blames.

As regards shouting POISON POISON at a meal, is that not the same poison the individual is trying to bring out. You don't eat poison and shout after eating, you detect it firsthand and warn others. What benefit is there after eating the poison before. The individual will be dead already nw.


The wholesome meal that has God's approval is John14:6, John 6:27 states.........work not for the food that perishes(at least the food that the organization produces perishes that is why they admit it contains mistake and error therefore the need for present truth, past truth, future truth), but for the food that remains for everlasting life which the son of man will give you; for on this one the father God himself has put his seal of approval.

This is a better option, what do you think Mr TATIME?

TATIME:
You can continue misquoting my statements but until you're able to present a REPLACEMENT for JW.org,i'll say see you later!

TATIME:
Oh sorry ooooo so you thought i was trying to argue with you? Lailai! When the Bible said "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" and Jesus was convicted of all the atrocities going on right from the garden of Eden till now,why worry yourself about any crime committed under the Sun when Jesus pleaded GUILTY to all the charges,that's why any kind of evil you have committed in your entire life Jesus is ready to bare the consequences for you as long as you're ready to remain SUBMISSIVE to His IMPERFECT chosen ones,He pleaded GUILTY to all atrocities! Therefore whatever allegations you have against His followers we're pleading GUILTY just like our Master, Lord and King. If Jesus pleaded guilty without committing a single act of wickedness who are the GB of JW to argue with you that they're not guilty One single thing i'm begging you to do is "present another organization just to REPLACE this BAD one" lobatan. We're not disputing guilty or not guilty with you,what we're saying is that as far as CORRECTION of past mistakes as sinners pleading GUILTY is concerned Jehovah's Witnesses organization is number ONE that's why you see us making amendments because we believe we're SINNERS (one prone to blunders) If you're in a PERFECT organization that's not committing mistakes that needed amendments please present it to us.

Hairyrapunzel:
Where did they mention governing body in the Bible? Where did they say the early Christias were organized?
Dispute and disagreement every where and you say they are organized or were an organization?

Hairyrapunzel:
The Bible never said there was an organization amongst first century Christians.
The Bible never recorded various congregations organized under the leading of the apostles

The Bible never said congregations were organized.
The bible never said each person was not scattered or scattered
Bible never recorded that each person was organized or not organized.

These are just speculations proposed by watchtower organization so as to keep on deceiving people that the first century Christians had an organization and also they are the one true religion because they are an organization.
An organization founded in 1874 keeps assuming.
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Hairyrapunzel:
Something as serious as that has to be explicitly stated in the Bible. The criteria for salvation is written down in the Bible. Why would a group go against the Bible's teaching on salvation to preach that only joining the group aka publishing company will guarantee you salvation?
Why will they preach unwavering loyalty to an organization and it's leaders as the only means to salvation to it's members? Is that what the Bible said?
Catholics preach their church is the only means to salvation the way you do yet you call them Babylon the great. Christendom preaches Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life something found in the Bible yet the people who call themselves Bible students say their organization is the only way, the truth and the life something never found in the Bible. Yet these people claim that 99.9% of earth's population will die because they refused to believe something never mentioned in the Bible.

Hairyrapunzel:
It doesn't change the fact that your organization preaches that billions of non jws aka 99.9% of humans will die because they refused to join a publishing company called watchtower organization.

No matter how you want to put it Bible never said joining an organization was a criteria for getting salvation.

Your number one dogma is not even mentioned in the Bible. You have to believe this because it is being forced into your brain by the leaders of the publishing company. If you tell them that their teaching isn't in the Bible they will consider you apostate, disfellowshipping you and your family and friends will be expected to shun you. An evil cult teaching non biblical doctrines and emotionally blackmailing it's gullible followers to obey it.

cantok:


You mean it must be explicitly stated, you mean it is implicitly stated?

Hairyrapunzel:
Where is it explicatly stated that an organization is the only means to salvation?

salvation101:
but you almost blatantly denied the existence of such

salvation101:
he quoted it already but seems you didn't see it.

As for humans upon earth, on the side of Jehovah will be all those fully dedicated to him and who are faithfully following Jesus Christ; compared with earth's billions these are indeed few. ... On Satan's side will be all the rest of mankind, more than 99.9 percent ..." Watchtower 1958 Oct 15 p.614

OneJ:
That ranpunzel seems to suffer from psychotic delusion... He would read those verses (Acts15:1-41) upside down & come back here to argue blindly.

LukeLook:
Your leaders say your jehovah will kill 99.9% - Did they really publish this?

Hairyrapunzel:
What's wrong in going to heaven when I die? Abi is it because your governing body members told you heaven is not your place but theirs?
Well I am going to heaven when I die. If you like o catch yourself red handed .

Barristter07:
Hairyrapunzel.

I still expect your answers to the questions coded #A1 and #A2 Okay



At 7:42am on September 01 , you ( Hairyrapunzel) made the statement below:

" I am going to heaven when I die "

Can you show me where it is explicitly stated in the bible ? coded #A3

johnw47:
i have already said i'm not decided on everlasting torment >verses< cease to exist
lets look at the verses you allude to:
the rich mans dead-corrupting body is in the grave, verse 22
and his spirit-soul is in the Lake of Fire:

(Luk 16:24) And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
(Luk 16:25) But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

is the rich man tormented in the flames or is he burnt up-cease to exist?

Riofidelio:
They want to open the eyes of members of a global happy family who are united,peaceful,fearless,bold,confident and to crown it all coming with strong faith to knock on their doors for one on one discussion whereas they are divided,vengeful,fearful,faithless,confused and defrauded by their so called leaders to the extent that none of them is bold enough to mention the name of his/her Church due to having NO reputation! No wonder Jesus rightly said about them "remove the rafter in your eye" Matthew 7:3-5

salvation101:
definition of self centeredness. So the victims of the crisis are being punished cos dey didn't receive ur message right? Even the little children? Even if u can't go and help, you also can't send dem relief materials?

This is pure religion..James 1:27
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Urs is a self centered religion