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Peacefullove:
Basic sense 102
If they are in hell, are they not suppose to be there with their Body ? Matthew 10 vs 28

alBHAGDADI:
Wrong!

It was God that appeared to Abraham.

Genesis 18:1-3
And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
And said, My LORD , if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:


Yes, Abraham saw three men, but one of them was Jesus.

Yoighaman:
Although I don't support it but this point kinda makes sense, a new perspective to me. Downside is both parties can pretend during this period and only get to show their true selves after getting married.

Simplep:
Ok sir,lets jst leave it dat way,i dnt like fights

Brightgem:
Hi, you just made my morning awesome. Because sometimes I get depressed wondering how men and women could be thinking like this. I wonder if there are still sane and morally upright people left anywhere, worse part is a person spreading their ignorance with so much confidence. I thought ur a guy but I guess from ur posts ur a lady, right? Well we'll all learn somehow from life. Ladies should just stop letting a men abuse us.

Simplep:
Well,shame on u,no man has ever used me as a sex object cos i don't give them a reason to,u see ur life?

thrash abt people u dont even know,u tink every man is like you who cant keep his trousers zipped?

Daeylar:


I don't even call what they do an offence, but I agree, if people want to take it as an offence then they need to face both genders or to face non at all, the same energy they find to make excuses for men they need to get that same energy to make excuses for women also,

True.


Very silly, Very infuriating.


Nah this is where we start to disagree, I want women to be allowed to live, live in peace, these rules are ridiculous, and it shouldn't be women bending their backs to please society, one day these backs will break, and I feel the more you bend the more rules they give you to endure, society needs to learn to leave women in peace.

Lol, well for me I don't really care what anyone does as long as they are not hurting someone else or hurting themselves, if they are OK with what they do and it doesn't hurt anyone(especially women) then let everyone have fun and live their life.

Daeylar:
OK then.

How do they get away with these acts though? Isn't it when people refuse to call them the same names they call ladies and instead give these men passes for no other reason than their gender? Just like you tried to do tbh.

Once again, Tagged how's by who? It's human beings that give them these tags, Won't it stop if people just stop tagging them ONLY as hoes and instead give the tag to all genders or to none at all?

But I don't think all these girls came to you to complain about their pregnancy or abortion, or put their "burden" of pregnancy or abortion on you, though, sooo.... Why are you bothered?

I got your point but I have issues with it

Was just wondering why you cared about how many people a lady has slept with, unless you are gay or bi, or pan,

This is cool,

Cool also

Shugavee:
u know nothing about life!!! Shiiiiiiiii

Brightgem:
haaahaha! Cohabiting doesn't mean sex! Standing ovation for you! I can see your wisdom. Even from the way you type, your maturity is way up there, I can't even begin to compete.

Brightgem:
haaahaha! Cohabiting doesn't mean sex! Standing ovation for you! I can see your wisdom. Even from the way you type, your maturity is way up there, I can't even begin to compete.

Jozzy4:
U the one who isn't suppose to be online debating intelligent topic.

U said:
Just like God is a spirit but when He visited Abraham what about saw was THREE MEN



Your lack of intelligence didn't make you realize those three men are ANGELS!

Angels appear here without human and they are recognized as persons!!! , let it sink into you and stop that lie of your lie lie immaterial soul cannot appear as a person here without body. Rubbish, the angel logic destroy that .





You don't need to be a human being to be a person here. Okay, let it sink.

Your lie lie soul cannot live here without body because such immaterial soul doesn't exist. Thank God Leviticus 17:11 has exposed you for who you are



Pure nonsense . Nothing like soul is a person only in spirit realm .

That's why u dare not reply the question on where are the wicked presently . if you say they are persons ( soul ) in the spiritual realm of hell . Jesus exposed you already.

Are they not suppose to be there with their body ?

Cc : peacefullove , he hasn't replied you on this

Emusan:
You lied about me I didn't say Angel BUT God.

You're not supposed to be online debating about intelligent topic...

I've said it early that the spirit is a PERSON in the spirit realm.

Did the Angel EVER RECOGNIZE as a HUMAN BEING?

It's evident that you need address my post but keep jumping like a monkey up and down.

The SOUL is a PERSON (in spirit realm) and when the same SOUL come together with BODY becomes HUMAN BEING which is also a PERSON in the PHYSICAL WORLD.

Why is simple English hard for you to comprehend

Emusan:
That's why I'll keep saying it that simple comprehension is far from you people.

On this thread I've said Nephene has different meanings but it depends on the content it addressess.

My point is centered on Isaiah 53 content NOT generalization of the word SOUL but you've generalized it now. speaks volume about your ignorance.

What is my point?
My point is, THE WORD SOUL that appeared in Isaiah 53 doesn't talk about PHYSICAL THING based on the content that's why I provided proof from different commentaries which you even said you dont have problem with.



But look at your delusions, your dull brain couldn't phantom my point yet parading up and down here .

Emusan:
You're the most mischievous here, if not you'd have read from page 1 of a thread before you jump in.

I attached a screenshot of Strong Hebrew word of Nephene where it said it can mean GHOST

So look for it and proof it wrong.





Play game

The BODY IS THE ACTUAL PERSON TO THE PHYSICAL WORLD. Give me any of your cousin's number in primary school, maybe if I explain to them s/he will know how to relate it to you.

Emusan:
So after reading all those commentaries you couldn't grab their messages. This really shows that your dullness is beyond redemption.

those commentaries pointed it out plainly that "the life IS IN the Blood not that Blood is the LIFE"

So even after you could say SOUL/LIFE is in the Blood you can still went further to ask "something immaterial like BLOOD?"



It has gotten to stage you finally displayed the most ridiculous part of your dull brain.

They said "LIFE IN THE BLOOD" even reference to Lev 17:11

Now you have changed it to shedding of the blood...the devil really not at sleep over you.

Is life a material thing?



So is life a material thing?

So what is the different between LIFE AND LIFE FORCE

Confused JWs

Emusan:
Then go back to my previous post I replied to this question, stop paying attention to your brothers post alone. Read everyone post with open mind...then draw your conclusion. That's how a seeker of the truth does.

Emusan:
What is that THING THAT COMBINED with breath of life?

Is already established by you that BODY + Breath of life = Living soul.

You want to be smart but don't know you're very dull




I can see your ignorance, even the highlighted part exposes it the more.

The article says [b]"This valley afterwards became the common receptacle for all the refuse of the city.
Here the dead bodies of animals and of criminals,
and all kinds of filth, were cast and consumed by fire kept always burning. It thus in process of time became the image of the place of everlasting destruction.

The BODY after resurrection will be destroyed forever in Gehenna (hell)

"In the King James Version and the Revised Version (British and American) Gehenna is rendered by "hell" (see ESCHATOLOGY OF THE NEW TESTAMENT). That "the valley of Hinnom" became the technical designation for the place of final punishment was due to two causes. In the first place the valley had been the seat of the idolatrous worship of Molech, to whom children were immolated by fire ( 2 Chronicles 28:3 ; 33:6 ). Secondly, on account of these practices the place was defiled by King Josiah ( 2 Kings 23:10 ), and became in consequence associated in prophecy with the judgment to be visited upon the people ( Jeremiah 7:32 )."

Emusan:
Says the most dullest who couldn't comprehend what won't take ordinary primary 1 pupils to understand.



You dullness is irritating no be small.
-The astronaut is a person in the spirit realm
-The astronaut WITH THE SPACE SUIT is a person in the physical realm.
-Once the SPACE SUIT is gone the physical person is died leaving the spirit realm.

How long is it going to take you to grab this simple statement

And the body He put on made Him A PERSON/HUMAN BEING on earth without the BODY HE CAN NEVER BE CALLED Human/Person

How did you pass your English language in school?





The real Olodo calling someone Olodo.
But without the space suit nothing like HUMAN
Just like God is a spirit but when He visited Abraham what about saw was THREE MEN

What is beneath has nothing associated with the physical world the only person has something common with the physical world is the body.


The BODY IS THE REAL PERSON IN THE PHYSICAL WORLD without the body the person of soul in spirit realm can never be regarded as a PERSON IN THE PHYSICAL WORLD.

Immediately the soul leaves the BODY THE PERSON KNOWS in the PHYSICAL WORLD is DEAD.

I know you won't still understand!

Emusan:
Now let me seal up this so that you will know how confused you people are.

I like this your analogy and how it exposes your ignorance about the subject matter.

Let reason along these factors:
1. our world here where the astronaut lives before is considered as the spiritual realm.
2. Space is another world like physical world, and people living there totally different from our world.
3. To us this astronaut is a person.
4. To people in space the astronaut isn't one of them and invisible.
5. For the astronaut to be seen as one of them and visible, he must PUT ON THE SPACE SUIT.

Here lies the key point:
The space suit isn't just a house to people in space BUT the as ONE OF THEM (ACTUAL PERSON - both what covered by the suit and the suit made up one person to them not two) because without the suit the person isn't part of them.

Let's assuming the man put off his space suit in space.
1. since without the suit, the astronaut can neither be seen nor known as one of them, then to them the person they know has died.

2. Whereas, there still something that lives under the suit.

You can see how your own analogy exposed you.

Emusan:
So I put it to you,
What is Soul?

What is Body

This answer your question:
Gehenna [N] [B] [S]
(originally Ge bene Hinnom; i.e., "the valley of the sons of Hinnom", a deep, narrow glen to the south of Jerusalem, where the idolatrous Jews offered their children in sacrifice to Molech ( 2 Chronicles 28:3 ; 33:6 ; Jeremiah 7:31 ;
19:2-6 ). This valley afterwards became the common receptacle for all the refuse of the city. Here the dead bodies of animals and of criminals, and all kinds of filth, were cast and consumed by fire kept always burning. It thus in process of time became the image of the place of everlasting destruction.

In this sense it is used by our Lord in Matthew 5:22 Matthew 5:29 Matthew 5:30 ; 10:28 ; 18:9 ; Matthew 23:15 Matthew 23:33 ; Mark 9:43 Mark 9:45
Mark 9:47 ; Luke 12:5 . In these passages, and also in James 3:6 , the word is uniformly rendered "hell," the Revised Version placing "Gehenna" in the margin. (See HELL; HINNOM .)

The wicked will be RESURRECTED and then destroy by God in everlasting fire.

Why are you guys always overlook the content of discussion rather playing hide and seek nonsense?

The content of both Matt 10:28 & Luke 12:5 is talking about man's limited power to put another man out of EXISTENCE but it's God alone who can do that...which is clearly spelled out with different word "KILL and DESTROY"

Emusan:
You have a very shallow reasoning.

I have said that Hebrew word has different meanings

Yet you couldn't grab my point about that Isaiah 53

My point is the content of Isaiah wasn't about the physical body rather is about something immaterial.

It's your brother who is claiming that it's talking about BODY since to him Soul=Body


But the commentaries supported my point that the content isn't about just BODY which you have no problem with.

You said "SOUL in the Bible is material" but is LIFE material or not? Don't dodge this question.

Emusan:
Let me help you with this because I know your understanding is far below.

[b]Barnes Commentary: Because he hath poured out his soul unto death - His triumphs would be an appropriate reward for his sufferings, his death, and his intercession. The expression 'he poured out his soul,' or his life ( נפשׁו napeshô; see the notes at Isaiah 53:10 ), is derived from the fact that the life was supposed to reside in the blood (see the notes at Romans 3:25 ); and that when the blood was poured out, the life was supposed to flow forth with it. As a reward for his having thus laid down his life, he would extend his triumphs over the whole world, and subdue the most mighty to himself.

Jemieson-fassuet Commentary: poured out … soul—that is, His life, which was considered as residing in the blood (Le 17:11; Ro 3:25).

Matthew Poole's Commentary: Because he hath poured out his soul unto death; because he willingly laid down his life in obedience to God’s command, John 10:17 ,18 , and in order to the redemption of mankind. Death is here called a pouring out of the soul, or life , either because the soul or life, which in living men is contained in the body, is turned out of the body by death; or to signify the manner of Christ’s death, that it should be with the shedding of his blood, in which the life of man consists, Leviticus 17:11 ,14 .

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges: because he poured out (omit “hath” with R.V.) his soul ] his blood, which is the seat of life; Leviticus 17:11 . For the expression cf.
Psalm 141:8[/b]

Only a biased person wouldn't see the point I'm diving into here...

The content of Isaiah 53 wasn't about the material (physical body) but immaterial that's why even NWT can use LIFE...

I challenge you to give me a scholar who explain Isaiah 53 as a physical body.

Emusan:
Yes body and body since you JWs is claiming that Body(you) is the same thing with soul(which is also you)

Did Jesus statement show distinction between Body and Soul in that verse?

That's the question.

About hell "Gehenna" have different meaning just like every other Greek or Hebrew words.

Luke 12:5 also shield more light to it
Moreover, I say to you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body and after this are not able to do anything more. But I will show you whom to fear: Fear the One who after killing has authority to throw into Ge·henʹna. Yes, I tell you, fear this One. NWT

From this passage it's evident that:
1. Body was used and NOT A PERSON
2. Both God and man can KILL
3. But man can only kill AFTER THAT they can't do anything
4. But God can kill AFTER He kill He can then throw your remain into Gehenna.

But you people will overlook all this self explanatory statement but still living in delusion.

Emusan:
I know you lack understand

So you took the image of my statement as just representation of something....SMH

What your invisible person looks like is what your Body will reflect, that's image I mean. Olodo!


Lastly, without the BODY you're not a PERSON in this PHYSICAL WORLD. Get that into your dull skull!

Do I need to explain this to your junior brother in primary school so that he can help me to explain it to you?

doubledx9ja:
The underlined is true! Atleast from the verses below we can establish that the physical body houses the soul;

1 Corinthians 6:19


Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;


John 2:19


"And Jesus answered them; "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

Emusan:
I don't know why simple comprehension is sooooo hard for you guys.

My point there, is to show you that the content of Isa 53:11-12 supported immaterial than material which is even the reason why NWT uses LIFE...

Have tutor your brother about different meanings of Hebrew or Greek words.

alBHAGDADI:
If it is the same nephesh, then you are implying that Joshua is God because Jesus said it is only God that can destroy the Nephesh, man can only destroy the body.

That's the wrong.

alBHAGDADI:
Look at how happy you are thinking you have caught me in a tight corner. Didn't someone just showed you all that the Hebrew word for soul which is Nephesh means different things e.g soul, life etc? Now you quoted the below verse just to bust Mathew 10:28 which distinguished soul and body.

King James Bible
And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. " Joshua 10:28


According to you, since Joshua destroyed the souls of those mentioned, it means that was their end, no part of them went on living. Isn't that a contradiction if Jesus words below?


Mathew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to
destroy both soul and body in hell.

Jesus said mankind cannot destroy the soul, they can only destroy the body. It is only God that can destroy both body and soul. Are you now trying to say Joshua is God because the verse you quoted said he destroyed the soul of some people, soul which also means life and many other things?

Can you now see your wrong?

alBHAGDADI:
So, as Jesus has paid the ransom for our sins, he can't have his body back. That means his body is with who now? Satan?

God didn't leave Jesus body in hell, He resurrected it. Otherwise it would mean Jesus didn't conquer death and our hope is in vain.

1 Corinthians 15:14

And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

You believe Jesus resurrected. Then how can you say what resurrected is different from what died? Isn't that a scam?

What you are saying is that Satan is now in possession of Jesus, so God formed a new Jesus and sold that to us as the resurrected Jesus. Let man be a liar.

@bold Why are you lying on Jesus like this? You say Jesus said the soul is not immortal. Then how come some will have everlasting life and others everlasting punishment?

Mathew 25:46

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew 13:41-43
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

@bold2

If you say Jesus confirmed that both body and soul are together, and that when one is killed, the other dies in the process, how come Jesus said we shouldn't be afraid of those who can only kill the body but not the soul? Doesn't that show that after the body dies, something goes on living?

During the resurrection of the righteous and the wicked, the wicked are then thrown both body and soul into hell, which is the second death where they face eternal punishment. The righteous face the opposite which is eternal life. The word eternal which you find in ETERNAL PUNISHMENT shows that they won't die. If they were just gong to die off, then there would not be anything eternal about the punishment.

Eternal life means life everlasting, it doesn't end. Eternal punishment means everlasting punishment, it doesn't end. How then can the Bible say God is punishing someone eternally when the person is dead and no longer existing? Can you see your flaw?

OneJ:
Context is key. Nephesh or soul in the bible is strictly about the earthly realm of life. That word nephesh,soul never refers to spirit being