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if 70 years of righteousness is not enough to make you deserve heaven, how then could the sin of 70 years make u worthy of hell ?

malvisguy212:
does this verse say the soul of animals are immortal ?

neither did the verse say the soul of man is immortal .

when something is the exact opposite of another , it means .

opposite adjective (DIFFERENT)
B2 completely different:

example:
You'd never know they're sisters - they're
completely opposite to each other in every way.

the two sister are completely opposite, their characters are completely different.

again:

Police attempts to calm the violence had the opposite effect.

this opposite effect is that a completely different thing happens, they went there to calm , but the violence skyrocket . exact opposite

another :
The two politicians have diametrically opposite points of view.


Two of the president's chief advisors have
staked out opposite positions on this issue.

He held the opposite view to his brother.

The witnesses gave opposite accounts of who caused the accident.

The movie was supposed to be scary, but it had the opposite effect on him.

all the examples above testify opposite means completely different.


B1 something or someone that is completely different from another person or thing:


My father is a very calm person, but my
mother is just the opposite.


She's turned out to be the exact opposite of what everyone expected.

The opposite of "​fast" is "​slow".


now that we establish this :


lets see the definition of LIFE


" the period between birth and
death, [size=25] or the experience or state of being
alive " [/size]

to understand this definition , stones ,planks cannot be said to have life because they dont fit the above definition.

now if being Alive = life

what then is the opposite of life ? remember, whatevet u choose as opposite of life must be completelt different from Life.

analice107:
No, you will make it clearer. You brought God's eternal days into this. Do men live in God's eternal days? Why didn't Adam drop dead immediately he ate the fruit?

You can't bring yourself to say, he died a spiritual death. You can't open your mouth to say, his spirit got separated from God at death.

Adam died both spiritual death and real death.

spiritual death because he is cut off from God, and he eventually died the final death that led him back to his former non existence.

You said earlier that the wages of sin is death, I asked you which death? Is it of the flesh or the spirit? If of the flesh what sin did Christ commit to have died? You dodged it. Now answer me.

the wages of sin is death. both spiritual and physical death .

if u commit a gross sin, u felt withing you that uv been cut off from God . if no repentance is shown, such a person will eventually be " dead to his trespass and sin " Eph .,thats spiritual, it has to do with ones relationship with God


but the wage of the sin of Adam remains Physical death , everyone is sure to die and return to dust from which they are taken . when a person dies, such a person " is free from his sin" Rom 6:7. because he has paid the wages.

--- Christ died not a spiritual death but Physical death in connection with sin , not his but that of the whole World , which was inherited from Adam . ( joh 1:29)

analice107:
@Jozzy4, I asked you earlier, you dodged. Does this scripture exclude you? Amplified Bible 1 Thessalonians 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you through and through [separate you from profane things, make you pure and wholly consecrated to God]; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved sound and complete [and found] blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah).
Here Apst Paul is praying for our spirits souls and body's to be preserved until Christ comes.
And you say you don't have a spirit in you. You are just dust. Imaoooo

lol its too early to get emotional again woman, I said earlier that it depends on what you mean by spiritS , didnt I ?

there are various philosophy people have in mind when they hear spirit.

pls tell me ur view or what u understand by spirit and soul , and I will tell u mine.

lets proceed

1) what is the spirit in man ?

2) what is soul ?

3) can the soul die ?

4) do animals have spirit ?

5) do they share the same spirit with man ?


this can enlighten us

analice107:
Did the Bible say God created man IN his image or WITH his attributes? Love, wisdom and justice, when did they become images?

eeyah, know this today .. the word rendered Image can also mean LIKENESS , u can be like someone if u share the same attributes.

analice107:
Jozzy4 did you say am confused? God is eternal so his days are also eternal, are Adams days also eternal?
Are trying very hard to wriggle yourself out of the spiritual realm, you are grabbing straws everywhere, now you are calling me confused?

The Bible said, God usually came in the cool of day to fellowship with Adam before the fall. How was that fellowship done, physically or spiritually? Remember Adam was just a lump of flesh.
You are dodging questions yet you call me confused. Lol.

and what exactly is your question ?

analice107:
Are we humans living in God's day or human days?

make yourself clearer

analice107:
Love and compassion are they images or attributes?

Being made in God’s image meant that Adam was created with qualities like those of God, including love, wisdom, justice, and power. Adam was like his Father in another important way in that he possessed free will. Hence, Adam was not like a machine that can perform only what it is designed or programmed to do. Instead, he could make personal decisions, choosing between right and wrong. If he had chosen to obey God, he would have lived forever .

analice107:
LOlzzz zzz. I can't believe you just said this. So the physical body of Adam died that day? Meaning there's no spiritual death?

u are confused because u take day in that context as 24hours. when u know day according to God is 1000 years . From this view , Adam didnt spend a day !

analice107:
I need you to explain Gen 1:26. God created man in his image.

some said this means we look like God, and i ask does it mean God have breast or genitals ?absurd , thus this cant be so

some said this means we are immortals like God, really? and I asked , why then are we not also all powerful , Almighty , as God ? this thus broke into pieces .


our been in Gods image has to do with the human ability to love , show compassion, reason, and other unique traits found in humans .

analice107:
You only attempted to answer one part of the question.
If Adam was just the lump of clay or dust as you said, when God told him if he eats from the tree he will die, why didn't he die? His body died 930 years later, are you saying God lied to Adam?

Gods day is not 24hrs, a day with God is 1000 years , Adam died within 1000 years spending just 930 years , thus he die that day.

Scholar8200:
Go take your Bible serious. The rich man asked for water to cool his tongue and even requested Lazarus deep his finger!

Jesus said these, not me!

you are confuse man, the rich MAN not the rich ghost or rich immaterial soul . RIch MAN , MAN, MAN , MAN
chai , religion na brainwashing o

Jesus descriptions are human , clear . not the nonsense u are reading into it

analice107:
So 1 Thessalonians 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you through and through [separate you from profane things, make you pure and wholly consecrated to God]; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved sound and complete [and found] blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah) doesn't apply to you?

Jesus said those who worship God does so in spirit and in truth.
How have you been worshiping God all this while since God is a spirit? In your flesh?

What is creation Jozzy4? If you ask me if we existed before coming to this earthly realm, then the Bible shouldn't have referred to us as being created, that will mean recreation.

The Bible did not say we existed in the spirit realm before being created in the physical realm. So No, I didn't exist before I was created.


If we lived before coming here we should have memories of that realm, just like we will have memories of this life, when we die.

the bold is same with all humans , starting from the first man Adam , he didnt exist before he was created , he is just dust until he was mould, but once he transgress, he was told the penalty .. a return to default. to his non exstence before he was mould

" you will RETURN to the ground, out of which you [ Adam ] was taken " Gen 3:19

Let me ask you Jozzy4, do you believe Spirits exists?

depends on what u mean by spiritS , care to expantiate ?

someone asks this same question some years ago, i was just smiling , I remember some people saying if God could reward humans with endless life in heaven , then endless life in hell is justified .


but there are so many problems with this reasoning, a certain man stood up and said :

1, does that mean the folk that made heaven do so by his power ? he makes himself deserve it ?,if NO , how then could you say someone in hell makes himself deserve it !

2- everlasting life is not by merit , ITS A GIFT . if everlasting life is gift given to some and not because they deserve or by their power , logic dictates then that sentencing someone to trilliona nd rillions of year in a torture chamber is not fair and cruel , because they also dont deserve such.


3, if the righteousness of 80 years is not enough to make u worthy of heaven , how then could the sin of 80 years make u worthy of hell ?

everywhere was silent.

someone asks this same question some years ago, i was just smiling , I remember some people saying if God could reward humans with endless life in heaven , then endless life in hell is justified .


but there are so many problems with this reasoning, the man stood up and said :

1, does that mean the folk that made heaven do so by his power ? he makes himself deserve it ?,if NO , how then could you say someone in hell makes himself deserve it !

2- everlasting life is not by merit , ITS A GIFT . if everlasting life is gift given to some and not because they deserve or by their power , logic dictates then that sentencing someone to trilliona nd rillions of year in a torture chamber is not fair and cruel , because they also dont deserve such.


3, if the righteousness of 80 years is not enough to make u worthy of heaven , how then could the sin of 80 years make u worthy of hell ?

everywhere was silent.

Scholar8200:
Runaway tactic? Now that passage and its context has nothing to do with the final judgement that the others I have quoted hitherto deals with! Why not seek for passages relevant to the issue - hell and the soul? The Bible is replete with such!



But Jesus categorically said God is not the God of the dead but of the living! That's no viewing or assumption but a fact!


Where Elijah and Moses came from on the mount; where Elijah and Enoch were carried to; where Abraham and Lazarus were found after the death of the latter!

where exactly ?

Scholar8200:
because the soul has these faculties.

then a man is a soul, cos these attributes belong to earthling man .

have u seen your imaginary soul before ? if no, u cant just give human attributes to a non existing entity .

two hands, two feet , two eyes is description of man. expecially the tongue . prove is everywhere. u re a living proof check yourself

That is why souls of people beheaded on earth were found CRYING to God in Heaven in Rev. 6. since they were beheaded on earth, then there should be no head to cry with but NO!
Now if beheaded men were found with heads crying in Heaven, then the Lazarus story is obviously literal!

who told u they are found with head ? must u lie ? i will take u serious if u also belive Death riding a horse in that same chapter 6 is literal, so also Hades running after the horse of death and stars falling upon the earth . once u belive this as literal , then i will take u serious

DoctorAlien:
So you mean there are "living souls" now which are trapped in the sea, and which the sea will give up at the end?

very good question.

goodnews201668:
This story is a parable not a real life event.

Jesus made use of many parables like the merchant, sowing of seed, virgirns.
All these weren't real or real events.

Concerning Jesus the Bible said:

Matthew 13:34-35English Standard Version (ESV)
Prophecy and Parables

34 All these things Jesus said to the crowds in parables; indeed, he said nothing to them without a parable. 35 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet:[a]

“I will open my mouth in parables;
I will utter what has been hidden since the foundation of the world.”
Footnotes:

Matthew 13:35 Some manuscripts Isaiah the prophet.

So we know why Jesus teaches with illustrations, word pictures and hyperbolic stories.

Now answer me this:
When Jesus said it will be easier for a camel to pass through the needles eye than for a rich man yo enter in God's kingdom,
Was Jesus saying that a camel can pass through the needle's eyes?

Again does it mean that a rich must wait for a Carmel to pass through the needle's eye before he can attain the kingdom?

Please i am waiting for answers.

camel passing through a needles eye is just impossible, yet Jesus said it will be easier for a camel to do so , when I was still very young this part baffles me alot , I later came to realize that not everything Jesus said it to be taken at face value .

yet the so - called scholar82 might even tell u its possible , dont be surprised . someone who belive grave will be burned forever will accept anything no matter how unsensible and ridiculous it is . do u note where he said his imaginary soul have two eyes and two feet plus TONGUE ? when its clear this are human attribute. u begin to wonder what else his imaginary soul wont have , probably it might have genitals . why not ? afterall it drinks water, what stop this same fictional soul from eating, or even having intimacy .

Scholar8200:
You are missing it! We talk of parallel passage that concern the topic at hand - final judgement of man when time is over.

ur runaway tactic as usual ,

if u examine Isaiah 34:9,10 , you will see how much it parallels with Rev 14:10,11

both talk about burning day and night, and smoke ascending forever , which begs the question : was the Land of Edom cast into hellfire? or was it destroyed ? the knowledge of this can greatly help a bible student to understand the same context at Rev 14:10,11

This passage speaks:
I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."
Matt 22:32
Though physically dead, Jesus affirmed that those men were living!

what does this passage got to do with what is been discussed ? the context shows Jesus is discussing THE RESSURECTION. matt 22:31, therefore base on this hope, God could view his friends as alive though in reality they are dead

For those who insist this doesnt mean ressurection but that they are actual living , the question : they are exactly Alive , at where ?

Scholar8200:
Sure, Jesus said so.

Mixjanet point that Jesus said her point too. so u have no excuse.

the tongue is a material property, when a man dies , it follow him to his Grave to decompose

so tell me, which tongue are you talking about? cos have not seen a dead man whose tongue disappeared.

this Link to the other question, why are the eyes, two feet and two eyes not vanishing to hell, why are they still found in the coffin?

Scholar8200:
NO, this is where parallel passages come in!

They establish the beast to be a king/ruler, man of sin, son of perdition etc but the fire to be a literal place of torment!

See below, no symbol this:
10 the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone...11 and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name
Revelation 14:10,11
Sealeth up the sum!

if you truly believe the bold , then lets examine a parallel passage with Rev 14:10,11

God warn the nation of Edom
"
And the streams of Edom shall be turned into pitch,

and her soil into sulfur;
her land shall become burning pitch.
Night and day it shall not be quenched;

its smoke shall go up forever.
From generation to generation it shall lie waste;
none shall pass through it forever and ever."

Isa 34: 9,10

was the Land of Edom thrown into hellfire? or was it destroyed ?

WiseBully:
It is your choice! Should a murderer blame a judge for sentencing him to a lifetime in prison for a crime committed in less than 5 minutes?

cant you see you said "lifetime" , as long as he lives .. its not eternal, it cant even last for a hundred years and at times, Such a person can still be freed during special occassions in the country or state u know ?, so . thats different from this babaric concept the op is talking about

analice107:
Jozzy4 do you believe that you are a spirit? Yes or no.

spirit being? NO. I am a Human being

now answer me : do u exist as a spirit being before u were born ?

@ medicis , I read a comment of yours where you implied Jesus on earth has an immortal soul, and someone asks you

how then could he pour his soul To Dëath if its immortal ?

am waiting for your response

Scholar8200:
Christ there referred to the temporal and the final. Remember that the rich man lifted his EYES IN HELL AND ASKED FOR WATER TO COOL HIS TONGUE!

wow, Eyes and tongue, ... properties of an immaterial soul ?


this is getting interesting

Scholar8200:
The essence here is that we establish what is a symbol and what is not.
Daniel 7:17
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth

Parallel verses show that the beast so described is a man, a ruler. While parallel verses show that the fire of torment means exactly that.
Indeed the same Revelations describes Jesus as a Lamb as it had been slain found in the midst of the Throne!

that means the beast are not literal beast, the question is : how then can Symbolic beast be cast into a literal lake of fire ? if the Beast is symbolic , does that not make the lake of fire into which this symbolic beast is thrown symbolic too ?

Scholar8200:
Go read Revelations 20:12-15 and discern how the dead will STAND before God.

thats not her question: , she said


do u believe also that the two hands, two feet s and two eyes of a man go to hell with him ?

she said if thats true, why is it that nobodys hands, feet and eyes have dissapeared in their coffin ? let me add that in most burials , the dead at kept for sometimes before the burial day . so why are these body parts not dissapearing to hell ?

Scholar8200:
Let's see:

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him [the beast] his power, and his seat, and great authority

Rev. 13:2

The last sentence reveals that the beast here is the Man of sin Paul mentioned in 2 Thessa 2; same is the prince in Daniel 9 now Rev speaks of 42 months while Daniel says 3.5 years do the maths and see that they are both saying the same thing and referring to the same person whose coming is after the working of satan. That is clear. Now the Lake of fire that torments eternally is the same in all parallel verses from Isaiah to Matthew, Mark, Luke and Revelations!

trash, see the bold , perfect description of an animal . the dragon give this animal or beast his power and authority

how then can a BEAST be MAN of sin ?

they are men that will be tormented afterwards.

the bible said BEAST , with two horns like a lamb.

how then can a BEAST be men ?

Besides , read Daniel 7:17 and SEE that Nebuchadnezzar, Alexander the Great, Etc were also symbolized by Beasts!

whats your point, that the beast SYMBOLIZE men ?

Scholar8200:
point is the passage definitely says the devil, beast and false prophet will be tormented but since the passage is silent on grave etc, i'll be silent too.

interesting, this beast will b tormented

" and I saw a wild beast ascending out of the sea, with ten horns and SEVEN HEADS, and on its horns ten diadems, but on his head blasphemous names"

" Now the wild beast that I saw was like a leopard, but its feet were like those of a bear, and its mouth was like a Lions mouth" - Reve 13:1,2

REALLYYYYYYYYYY?

here is the false prophet another beast too, tell me which zoo am gonna found it

"
Then I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb, but it began speaking like a dragon. [b] It exercises all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight. And it makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first wild beast, whose mortal wound was healed.
And it performs great signs, even making fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the sight of mankind.
It misleads those who dwell on the earth, because of the signs that it was permitted to perform in the sight of the wild beast, while it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that had the sword-stroke and yet revived. And it was permitted to give breath to the image of the wild beast, so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who refuse to worship the image of the wild beast.
" - Rev 13: 11-13

these beasts are real beasts that can be tormented ? unh ?

Using which reference? As for the men that will be cast there, we have other parallel passages that shows they would likewise be tormented forever.

same reference said Babylon the great , TWO lion like wild beasts will be tormented, HOW REAL IS THAT TO YOU ?

Scholar8200:
ok

please answer her questions which are based on that chapter you quote from, am interested.