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DappaD:
Yes that is your own understanding. Being “born again” is not a criteria for salvation as Jesus explained at John 3:16. Exercising faith in Jesus Christ is a choice that one has to make after taking in accurate knowledge of God and his Son. John 17:3

However, to be “born again” or “born from above” is not a choice one makes by himself. He has to be invited and chosen by God. Matthew 22:14, John 1:11,12

Mr KNOWMORE56, please did you have any say/choice when you were to be conceived and born as a human being? If you didn’t, what makes you think being ‘born from God’ or ‘born from above’ is a choice that one can make willy-nilly?

DappaD:
Do you think that this teaching of a “little flock” and “144,000 bought from the earth” started with the New Testament?

No. In fact, the vision that Daniel saw in the chapter 7 of his book sheds light on this long before Jesus made that statement in Luke 12:32.
So Jesus was saying that his apostles and others would be given a Kingdom and he was only reiterating and expatiating more on Daniel 7:27

The JPS Tanakh(directly translated from the Masoretic text) puts Daniel 7:27 this way:

“And the kingdom and the dominion, and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High; their kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey them.'

This tallies with Jesus' statement at Luke 12:32(NASB)
“Do not be afraid, little flock[144,000 holy ones], because your Father has chosen to give you the kingdom.”

It also tallies with the vision given to John at Revelation 7:1-8.
The highlight of the matter is that a few(144,000) would be given the Kingdom to be kings, judges and priests over the earth. Revelation 20:6

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If every righteous person is to be in heaven, why does Hebrews 2:5(Amplified) mention a coming inhabited earth? Why does Revelation 5:10 says that some would rule over the earth?
The Bible is clear that the earth is mankind's home forever and countless billions doing God's will are going to inhabit and live forever on it. Psalm 37:29, Isaiah 45:18

Most of you just feel like the accurate knowledge isn't necessary. You just want to run to heaven but you have zero idea about the assignment of those going there entails.

Janosky:
John 17:3, & John 20:17 Jesus Christ say na Fake theory

dawnomike:
The branch of mathematics that proves this is called 'Real Analysis'. You proof by contradiction.
To proof what you asked above in mathematics will take like 2 pages of paper.

DappaD:
Please according to Acts 24:15 [NIV, NET] , where would the unrighteous/wicked be resurrected to?


Apostle Paul was addressing the resurrection of those who would be going to heaven(Philippians 3:21)and according to the Bible, it would be a “little flock” of anointed Christians numbering into a 144,000 total. Luke 12:32 see Revelation 14:1-5 also.
Those who are in this category partake in what the Bible calls the “first resurrection”.
Please read Revelation 20:4-6 see Philippians 3:11 also.

Revelation 20:12-14 indicates that there would other kinds of resurrection which will take place on earth.

DappaD:
Please according to Acts 24:15 [NIV, NET] , where would the unrighteous/wicked be resurrected to?


Apostle Paul was addressing the resurrection of those who would be going to heaven(Philippians 3:21)and according to the Bible, it would be a “little flock” of anointed Christians numbering into a 144,000 total. Luke 12:32 see Revelation 14:1-5 also.
Those who are in this category partake in what the Bible calls the “first resurrection”.
Please read Revelation 20:4-6 see Philippians 3:11 also.

Revelation 20:12-14 indicates that there would other kinds of resurrection which will take place on earth.

MaxInDHouse:
People outside can SEE the benefits of your teaching in the midst of the adherents jare {James 2:18-26} don't mind that Janosky man.
Those adhering to what you're saying are shining light of the world and people can see the light globally {Matthew 5:13-16} please remind me of the unique group name they bear out there!

Janosky:
The Father bear witness of His son, you dey learn anything in that statement?
You done forget you say Jesus his son is your Jehovah?

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry my eyes omitted this!

God didn't intend taking people to heaven from the beginning, the seat of God's earthly kingdom was supposed to be in Jerusalem, but the Israelites profane God's Temple and pure worship so they lost that glory {Matthew 23:37-38} when Jesus continued to pronounce woes upon Jerusalem (the most precious heritage of the Jews) his faithful disciples were devastated because they can't understand what Jesus is doing anymore!
How come he is declaring damnation upon their holy city?
If Jerusalem is Condemned, where are they going to stay with him as rulers?
Jesus can read their hearts so he quickly made a promise that has never been heard before since the creation of the world! Jesus promised to take them to his own home (heaven) so he promised to go and prepare a place and come back to take them there! John 14:1-4
Those going there will be a selected few from his disciples {Luke 12:32} none of those who lived before him qualifies for this privilege! Matthew 11:11

MaxInDHouse:
Well there are many interpretations given as to why those two names were missing from the list, but the truth is the list of names are figurative not literal!
All the tribes in Israel were guilty of idolatry so it couldn't have been that, Paul expatiate on this when he said real Jews aren't those born naturally as Jews anymore but those who became Jews by Faith! {Romans 2:25-29} that's the meaning of Jesus' illustration of the wedding feast, the Jews were supposed to be the only invitees but they ignored the invitation and started giving excuses so other tribes were welcomed into the wedding feast to become Jews by Faith! Matthew 22:2-14 compared to Matthew 23:37-38 and John 1:11-13
So the list symbolises selected individuals from all races who first embrace true Christianity!

MaxInDHouse:
Are you sure that the list of names given @ Revelations 7:5-8 is the same as the real names of Jacob's 12 sons? Exodus 1:2-5
Please carefully cross-check then let me know what you think! :

paxonel:
Basically, they are the same

Exodus 1 mentioned
1. Reuben
2.Simeon
3.Levi
4.Judah
5.Issachar
6.Zebulun
7.Benjamin
8.Dan
9.Naphtali
10.Gad
11.Asher


Revelation 7 mentioned
1.Reuben
10.Gad,
11.Aser
9.Nephthali
2.Simeon
3.Levi
5.Issachar
6.Zabulon
*Joseph
7.Benjamin

paxonel:
Only intelligent people who have made their bible their friend will understand this and know the truth and be free from the grip of religion.

You will recall that the disciples of Jesus asked him a similar question in Luke 13:23(take note : this question was asked before Jesus was crucified)

But i think this is a wrong question to ask in this dispensation after Christ has been crucified and he is resurrected. Rather, the right question that should be asked in today's reality is "Are there few that are in heaven? " seeing that heaven is already here with us through the death and resurrection of Christ, unlike the period when Christ has not been crucified.

we have to consider time when reading the bible.

there was time before the crucifixion of Christ which include the period when Jesus was yet alive on earth with his disciples before he was crucified, and there is was time after his death and resurrection, this is where we Christians belong which is heaven.

what am i driving at?
we this current era Christians without considering time, read bible that was written approximately 2000 years ago and try to make what we have read our current day reality and our future,it doesn't work that way.

For our benefits, the bible should be treated today as a book and past events and nothing else.

Are there few that are in heaven?
The answer is no!

Currently, there are billions of believers worldwide saved by Grace, they are not few.

MaxInDHouse:
It's deeper than that Sir!

Because in the list of names mentioned in connection with the lamb on mount Zion (heaven) Levi's name is in the list.
Mind if i explain this for you?

MaxInDHouse:
It's deeper than that Sir!

Because in the list of names mentioned in connection with the lamb on mount Zion (heaven) Levi's name is in the list.

Mind if i explain this for you?

DappaD:
Am I under any form of obligation to give you a reply?

MaxInDHouse:
There are thousands of them Sir!
Note what the Bible book of Revelation says, "the first set of people to appear on mountain Zion with the lamb were the 144,000" Revelations 14:1
Most of the first set of people to embrace true Christianity in every nation will be selected, because they're the ones who will go out to plead (preach) and gather subjects in their our country prepared for God's Kingdom. Revelations 14:6
So that when the rulership begins in heaven one man from my own home town is there to be our representative in God's Kingdom.
But the only nation that's privileged to have the highest number of reps in God's Kingdom (heaven) are the Jews, that's why the foundation stones have the names of the twelve Apostles of the Lamb who were natural Jews! Revelations 21:14

MaxInDHouse:
The figure symbolises a limited number and the tribes mentioned are not literal Sir!

First of all crosscheck the list of the names of Jacob's 12 sons @ Exodus 1:2-6 and try to correlate with what you have @ Revelations 7:5-8, you'll discover that what was revealed to John is not the literal 12 sons of Israel but spiritual Israel Sir!

I'll explain further after you're through with that!

MaxInDHouse:
The figure symbolises a limited number and the tribes mentioned are not literal Sir!
First of all crosscheck the list of the names of Jacob's 12 sons @ Exodus 1:2-6 and try to correlate with what you have @ Revelations 7:5-8, you'll discover that what was revealed to John is not the literal 12 sons of Israel but spiritual Israel Sir!
I'll explain further after you're through with that! :

MaxInDHouse:
The figure symbolises a limited number and the tribes mentioned are not literal Sir!
First of all crosscheck the list of the names of Jacob's 12 sons @ Exodus 1:2-6 and try to correlate with what you have @ Revelations 7:5-8, you'll discover that what was revealed to John is not the literal 12 sons of Israel but spiritual Israel Sir!
I'll explain further after you're through with that!

DappaD:
Na today this one start? Sheybi you said rottenna.ija is doing the work of the Lord na?
Why not go and focus your attention on him?
Your obsequiousness towards him is all I need to come to a conclusion about you.

DappaD:
We who are in the organization don’t have any problem with it because racism doesn’t have any hold on us. Acts 10:34-35
It’s this KNOWMORE56 guy that nobody knows his root and ancestry that seems to be bothered.

Maybe he should have asked why it was only Jews whom were the apostles and elders back in Jerusalem? Acts 15:2
But did that cancel out Acts 10:34-35? Absolutely not.

Those Jewish men had long been worshipers of God so they were more experienced than men from the nations who were relatively new. It is the prolificacy we are looking out for and not skin colour. Matthew 24:45-47, Acts 6:1-5

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus chose 12 Apostles all Jews but 144,000 are selected from all the corners of the earth!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus chose 12 Apostles all Jews but 144,000 are selected from all the corners of the earth!

Janosky:
Yes..
Jesus is NOT the God Almighty, Jehovah his Father.

John 1:1 in English versions. The traditional rendering in English is: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... [It] is clear that in the translation "the Word was God", the term God is being used to denote his nature or essence, and not his person"
(In other words, the Word, Jesus was godlike, divine ('a god'),not the God Almighty.) .
en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › John_1:1
John 1:1 - Wikipedia.

As for who goes to heaven, Jesus Christ settled the matter, Matthew 5:3= Rev 14:1-3. John 3:3-5.
& Who lives forever on earth,
Matthew 5:5= Psalms 37:29 & 2 Peter 3:13 Revelation 21:4-5..

Isaiah 43:10-12, Acts 3:13, John 20:17, Jesus Christ is a Jehovah's Witnesses, a servant of Jehovah, his God & Father

MaxInDHouse:
Come and see RACIST!


Where there's no racial discrimination we don't think of skin colour, Jesus was Jew and he selected all his Apostles from amongst the Jews so if all the governors, ministers, senators and representatives are from one tribe in Nigeria all what JWs are concerned is PERFORMANCE not their tribe. That's what it means to settle all the racial discrimination affecting other people like you!

MaxInDHouse:
You can also refer to US as

"People living in the Spiritual Temple"

Our Master, Lord and King (Christ Jesus) tear down the former literal Temple {John 2:19} which requires that people must travel all the way to Jerusalem before they can be in the house of God {John 4:21-24} Jesus later built a spiritual Temple that accommodates people of all races.
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization proved to be that Spiritual Temple today!

HOW?

God's word foretold how individuals out of people from all nations will come together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, they will settle all the racial discrimination affecting people who aren't members of this Spiritual Family, they will render physical weapons useless within their midst, they will not enrol in military services and they will make laws that will benefit all members of this global family! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

That's the only sign to prove that you're dwelling in Christ {John 13:34-35} inside the Spiritual Temple there is so much abundant spiritual food {Isaiah 65:13} inside the Spiritual Temple people will continue to rejoice everyday because of the good condition of heart {Isaiah 65:14} but outside this Temple there will be Spiritual hunger and thirst! Amos 8:11

Satan (the evil genius) knew all of these so immediately after Jesus' assenssion to heaven Satan quickly went into action he multiplied so many false religions all claiming "CHRISTIANS" with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines {Matthew 13:25} but our God JEHOVAH foresee this so used his Holy Spirit to pick us out from all the false religions that Satan form, gathered us in his Spiritual Temple {Matthew 13:30} and called us by another name ~
"JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" Isaiah 65:15

God bless you!

topcatking:
Call them "Jéhovah's witnesses".

It's the Name they call themselves isn't it?

Besides, why not worship the way you can and allow others to do same?

Live and let live.

This is 2021.

boyjo:
My broda forget, the matter deep and wide wella. Them just dey use media push many nonsense ideologies any how, but they shall not succeed in JESUS.

Just dey watch...