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3. FATHER /SON IS THE OMNISCIENT:

*. 1 John 3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and KNOWETH ALL THINGS. (i.e the Father)

*. John 21:17 "KJV:He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, THOU KNOWEST ALL THINGS; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep. (i.e the Son)....

Myer:
Is there anyone God doesn't love?
I think whats more important is how he expresses this love.lol

And He had died for you - the height of the expression of love.

What do you want more?

MaxInDHouse:
He is a covenant keeping God!

All his worshipers understood the covenant that binds us as ONE from JEHOVAH, his only begotten SON and the entire global family of his worshipers {John 17:22} so we all submit to this arrangement. Hebrew 13:7,17
The written words (Bible) is the main guidebook {John 17:17} those taking the lead serves as Apostles (overseers) {Ephesians 4:12) they're the organizers and all worshipers are in total submission to them. So everything is well organized in an orderly manner! 1Corinthians 14:33, 40
To JEHOVAH whoever turn against this arrangement is no more part of his organized people {John 15:1-10} so such a person is ON HIS OWN! Luke 11:23

That's why Jesus sent us out in search of individuals who will be interested in this arrangement, he calls them the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" Matthew 10:6
Thanks!

Jesus ( God the Son) is the covenant keeping God:

*. Matthew 1:22 "KJV:Now all this was done, THAT IT MIGHT BE FULFILLED WHICH WAS SPOKEN OF THE LORD by the prophet, saying,"

*. Matthew 2:15 "KJV:And was there until the death of Herod: THAT IT MIGHT BE FULFILLED WHICH WAS SPOKEN OF THE LORD by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son."

*. Matthew 24:34 "KJV:Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED.
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KJV:Heaven and earth shall pass away, but MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY.(i.e the Son)

*. John 18:32 "KJV: THAT THE SAYING OF JESUS MIGHT BE FULFILLED, which he spake, signifying what death he should die." ( i.e the Son)

Other places: mark 1:15; Luke 4 :21; 21:32; acts 1:16; 13:33 and many more.

....NOTE: the Father sworn that:

a). His glory He won't give to another, see Isaiah 48:11'KJV:
For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY unto ANOTHER.

Jesus is not another, except if say God is lying to me.

b). To his name every knee shall bow

Hebrews 6:13
KJV:For when God made promise to Abraham, BECAUSE HE COULD SWEAR BY NO GREATER, he sware by HIMSELF,

c). God cannot lie

Hebrews 6:18"KJV:That by two immutable things, in which IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us.

If Jesus is another...then God has told us a lie.

Wait for number 3!

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*. Philippians2 :10"KJV: THAT AT THE NAME OF JESUS EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;(i.e the Son)

*. Mark 16: 17"KJV:And these signs shall follow them that believe; IN MY NAME SHALL THEY CAST OUT DEVILS; they shall speak with new tongues;(i.e the Son)
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*. Psalm 147: "Great is our Lord, and MIGHTY IN POWER; his understanding is infinite"

*. Jeremiah 10 : 6 "Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and THY NAME IS GREAT IN MIGHT.(i.e the Father)

*. Isaiah 45:23-24
KJV:I HAVE SWORN BY MYSELF, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, THAT UNTO ME EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW, every tongue shall swear.(i.e the Father)
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KJV:Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and ALL THAT ARE INCENSED AGAINST HIM SHALL BE ASHAMED. ( And I said AMEN!)....

2. FATHER/SON NAME IS GREAT/POWERFUL:

*. Matthew 28:18 "KJV:And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME in heaven and in earth."(i.e the Son)

*. Psalm 29:4 "KJV:The voice of THE LORD IS POWERFUL; the voice of the Lord is full of majesty."(i.e the Father).....

MaxInDHouse:
The bolded clearly defines the God you choose to worship, definitely each worshiper of your God will have to pick whatever he/she is able to grasp and start building his/her own understanding of your mysterious God.
I think that's the one and only beef you have for Jehovah's Witnesses, because our own God has blessed us with a small group of wise men just like the Apostles of Christ in the first century, this men he (God) is using as Shepherds to guide his sheep so that we all have the same line of thought about him {John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10} that is why all those who want to worship our own God must come under the same umbrella or roof of this foundation.
So next time when you're about to speak against JWs remember that our own God differs from yours who cannot be understood.
JEHOVAH has made himself known to the born again Christians in our midst so they're the ones taking the lead in TEACHING us exactly what JEHOVAH wants us to do so that his people could be well organized in an orderly manner! 1Corinthians 14:33, 40
Thanks!

What are the distinguishing characteristics of this your Jehovah.

My beef with you guys is that you have the Word in your Hands and in your Heads but the Watch tower in your Hearts.

But Heaven bound Christians have the Word in their Hands, in their Heads and in their Hearts.

That is tripple H, just like the Trinity: Father,Son and Spirit.

The Watch tower occupying your Heart is the confusion you are having.

MaxInDHouse:
Is your God partial or biased? I think you should allow Myer to have the same experience as you, i strongly believe he will know how to worship this God of yours after the God has spoken to him like he did to you!

But JEHOVAH our own God has a setting, there is always an arrangement he makes to communicate with his people, all his worshipers must submit ourselves under that arrangement so whenever or wherever we find one another we speak the same thing {Zephaniah 3:9} because his arrangement is to make us all think alike! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10
Thanks!

And from the Word below is the difference between a Christian and others:

*. 1 John 3:10 "
KJV:In this THE CHILDREN OF GOD are manifest, and THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother."

MaxInDHouse:
Is your God partial or biased? I think you should allow Myer to have the same experience as you, i strongly believe he will know how to worship this God of yours after the God has spoken to him like he did to you!

But JEHOVAH our own God has a setting, there is always an arrangement he makes to communicate with his people, all his worshipers must submit ourselves under that arrangement so whenever or wherever we find one another we speak the same thing {Zephaniah 3:9} because his arrangement is to make us all think alike! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10

Thanks!

The organization is not for Jesus my LORD. All Jesus disciples point humanity to Jesus:

https://www.nairaland.com/6001666/what-preach

Many questions in the above link you refused to answer

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*. Romans 11:36 "KJV:For of him, and through him, and to him, ARE ALL THINGS: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. (i.e the Son)

NOTE! God said He created all things with His own hands, see Isaiah 45:12.

2. These things were created by Himself and for Himself.
For His own pleasure they are and were created, see Colossians 1:16, Revelation 4:11

3. " of Him" means that the things used belongs to Him (the Son) Romans 11:36.

For the fact that Jesus possesses all the qualities of the true God, He's the true God.


Wait for the remaining ones

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*. Jeremiah 27: 5 "KJV:I HAVE MADE the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me. ( i.e the Father)

*. John 1:3 "KJV: ALL THINGS were MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing MADE that was made. ( i.e the Son)

*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV:For by him were ALL THINGS CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were CREATED by him, and FOR HIM ( i.e the Son)...

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1. FATHER/SON IS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS:

*. Isaiah 45:5-7 "KJV:I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
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KJV:That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
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KJV:I FORM the light, and CREATE darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

*. Isaiah 45:12 "
KJV:I have MADE the earth, and CREATED man upon it: I, even MY HANDS, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. ( i.e the Father)
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*. One of the laws in mathematics says if 1(one) is multiplied by itself it remains the same, i.e 1×1×1= 1.

John 16:28 "I CAME FORTH from the Father..."

In my understanding He is saying " I multiplied/increased/project from the Father"

The 1st one(1) is one, 2nd one(1) is one and the 3rd one(1) is one. the same
Whatever description you give to any of them, the same is true for the rest.

This is the law that qualifies Jesus as the true God!

Let's see some of the qualities of the true God:

1. Creator
2. Power
3. Omniscient
4. Everlasting
5. Receiving worship
6. Judge of all
7. Love
8. Life

So, since God's characteristics are endless, I will be posting 1-8 with Bible quotations.

Bossose:
Click on the link below to vote on who's more important to humanity and deserves a better pay between doctors and footballers http://www.operanewsapp.com/ng/en/posts/CP-dJzB1wJeQ

My Jesus is one million times better than them all.

Will you have Him?

I'll be posting it bit by bit for easy reading and understanding.

If you have questions asked. If you have contributions... you are welcome.

Moreover I would like to let you know that this is in continuation of the topic TRINITY EXPLAINED
https://www.nairaland.com/5745609/trinity-explained

The best and simple way to know anything
genuine is to consider and take note of all it's detail characteristics.

But the infinite God can never be completely known in all ramifications.

Notwithstanding, He has not hid Himself, just that the human mind is too small to accommodate Him.

@ Myer the Lord still loves you!

I later fell into immorality and the loving Lord allowed me to suffered terribly for it.

I stopped going to church I was too confused...

He later called me back. It's difficult for me to forget that day also.
He used Isaiah 43:25. It was as if somebody was talking to me verbally
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KJV:I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins."

All I can say today is LORD, THANK YOU FOR ENDURING THE CROSS FOR ME;

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME AND

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE EFFORT YOU PUT UP DAILY IN ORDER TO RESCUE ME.

I'M GRATEFUL LORD!

... when the devil noticed that I'm in for a business, he stirred up my mother.
Hmmm. It wasn't a child's play.

I was rejected and denied, I cried and cried. But I was not ready to let go my friendship with Jesus.

The persecution lasted for 2years and...
If I should tell you this story of my sufferings, no, there's no strength to type it all...

https://www.nairaland.com/5760398/nl-christians-what-persecution-did

While this hunger lingered, I saw some boys running somewhere with Bible in their hands.
I asked them, they told me they are going to Bible study.

I joined them in the week that followed. Oh!!!, it's the Lord's doing.

The things that was lacking in me was supplied. My questions answered....

... they sang a song saying Jesus suffered terribly for me, I and Younger brother, we left the place so quiet and thoughtful.

From that day I started searching to know more about this Jesus. And I asked a lot of questions about Him.

The 1st church are not grounded in the Word, which made me search for where I can get satisfaction.
In those days, from Sunday to Sunday is like a month interval for me.

I needed someone to tell me something about Jesus every now and then...

Myer:
It would interest me more how you started and what still keeps you going, besides your fear of hell of course.

My parents served masquerade (traditional occultism).
And I was to be initiated into it, but a friend invited me to church.

I will never forget that Easter weekend that something happened to me...

Myer:
It would interest me more how you started and what still keeps you going, besides your fear of hell of course.

The only thing that keeps me going is the grace of God, sustaining grace.

I discover that if somebody is serving God because of fear of hell, the person won't go far.

But when you grow in grace, and you serve Him because of love, you'll go very far.

My story of how I get converted is very interesting and long. I will try to summarize it anyway...

Myer:
Well, let me help you.
The Jews were born saved according to God's covenant with Abraham. Just by virtue of being a Jew they were saved. Except occasionally when God chose to punlish them.

The Apostles were saved without any faith or prayer just simply submission. If you read your Bible there were so many instances Christ admonished them for their lack of faith.

Also the woman with the issue of blood only had faith, no prayer, no submission.

The Samaritan woman had faith, after experiencing Jesus' prophetic gift, no prayer no submission.

Jeremiah was saved without having anything to do with it. Just because God had preordained it to be so. Jeremiah 1:5

So like always say, unless you pick your bible to read yourself and not just swallow hook, line and sinker all your pastor teaches you, you'll keep thinking you understand the Bible when you don't.

You can check 1 Corinthians 10 from verse 1 down
*. 5 "KJV:But WITH MANY OF THEM GOD WAS NOT WELL PLEASED: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
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KJV:Now THESE THINGS WERE OUR EXAMPLES, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted."

Nobody submitted himself to who they don't believe, so they have faith in Him.

No, not that they don't have faith but their Faith was little: Mathew 6:30; 8:26; 14:31; 16:8 and so on.

This is miracle, not salvation, but faith remains indispensable though! ( Hebrews 11:6).
FAITH remains indispensable, the woman of Samaritan prayed. She said " give me this water" water = salvation:
*. John 6:10 "KJV:Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; THOU WOULDEST HAVE ASKED OF HIM, AND HE WOULD HAVE GIVEN THE LIVING WATER.
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KJV: THE WOMAN SAITH UNTO HIM, SIR, GIVE ME THIS WATER, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.

His (Jeremiah's) story of salvation is not given, should it be given, it would have followed the same steps!

You can check out the quotations again, and were it disagree with what I'm saying call my attention to it.

Myer:
Well, let me help you.
The Jews were born saved according to God's covenant with Abraham. Just by virtue of being a Jew they were saved. Except occasionally when God chose to punlish them.
You can check 1 Corinthians 10 from verse 1 down
*. 5 "KJV:But WITH MANY OF THEM GOD WAS NOT WELL PLEASED: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
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KJV:Now THESE THINGS WERE OUR EXAMPLES, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted."

The Apostles were saved without any faith or prayer just simply submission.
Nobody submitted himself to who they don't believe, so they have faith in Him.
If you read your Bible there were so many instances Christ admonished them for their lack of faith.
No, not that they don't have faith but their Faith was little: Mathew 6:30; 8:26; 14:31; 16:8 and so on

Also the woman with the issue of blood only had faith, no prayer, no submission.
This is miracle, not salvation, but faith remains indispensable though! ( Hebrews 11:6)

The Samaritan woman had faith, after experiencing Jesus' prophetic gift, no prayer no submission.
faith remains indispensable, the woman prayed. She said " give this water" water = salvation:
*. John 6:10 "KJV:Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; THOU WOULDEST HAVE ASKED OF HIM, AND HE WOULD HAVE GIVEN THE LIVING WATER.
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KJV: THE WOMAN SAITH UNTO HIM, SIR, GIVE ME THIS WATER, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.

Jeremiah was saved without having anything to do with it. Just because God had preordained it to be so. Jeremiah 1:5
His story of salvation is not given, should it be given, it would have followed the same steps!
So like always say, unless you pick your bible to read yourself and not just swallow hook, line and sinker all your pastor teaches you, you'll keep thinking you understand the Bible when you don't.

You can check out the quotations again, and were it disagree with what I'm saying call my attention to it.

Myer:
I don't know who your pastor is but apparently he has fed you with his own doctrine not the Bible.

The Bible never mentioned that Rahul stopped her brothel business.
Neither did it tell us she prayed to God.
She simply recognised that through the rumours she's heard about Israelites, they usually conjure their enemies so she decided to help them on the condition that they spared her family.

It might help you to know that God doesn't want to be understood. The moment you think you understand God he changes his strategy.

Which is why I've always maintained that what Jesus said is that the Holyspirit is very important in a Christians life. If you only follow biblical examples chances are you will assume what God is saying when he's doing something else. But if truly you can be sure that the Holyspirit leads you, then you can know per time what God desires of you.

Cos as the scriptures says as many as are led by God these are the sons of God Romans 8:14

I want to make one thing clear here, as I have seen from the Word:

God has never made the steps to salvation ambiguous at anytime.

No body has been saved at anytime without faith/belief, prayer and submission/obedience.

If you know anyone you can point out...

Myer:
I don't know who your pastor is but apparently he has fed you with his own doctrine not the Bible.

The Bible never mentioned that Rahul stopped her brothel business.
Neither did it tell us she prayed to God.
She simply recognised that through the rumours she's heard about Israelites, they usually conjure their enemies so she decided to help them on the condition that they spared her family.

It might help you to know that God doesn't want to be understood. The moment you think you understand God he changes his strategy.

Which is why I've always maintained that what Jesus said is that the Holyspirit is very important in a Christians life. If you only follow biblical examples chances are you will assume what God is saying when he's doing something else. But if truly you can be sure that the Holyspirit leads you, then you can know per time what God desires of you.

Cos as the scriptures says as many as are led by God these are the sons of God Romans 8:14

From your comments I understand that you have backslided, and from the Word I understand that the backsider in heart is full of his own ways.

Proverbs 14:14 "
KJV: THE BACKSLIDER IN HEART SHALL BE FILLED WITH HIS OWN WAYS: and a good man shall be satisfied from himself."

So, what interests me now is to know how you started and how you end it.

The quotations I gave, if it doesn't have the point I raised, call my attention to it.

Jesus is coming soon...

Myer:
Like I said, it's you who isn't comprehending what you're reading.

Philippians 2:12 says work out your salavatiin, yes.
Phillipians 2:13 says it us God who will determine both your willingness to work out your salvation and also your ability to do it.

Clearly vs 13 proves it is all God's doing.

Have you not read that while Esau was yet unborn God already hated him and loved Jacob? Malachi 1:2-3, Romans 9:13

Did you not read in the Bible how God hardens people's hearts according to his desire? And how he himself prepares others for his use?

Until you read the Bible with an open mind, you will "choose" not to see these things.

It's ok anyway. I guess I wish i also didn't see these things, perhaps I would still have been a devout Christian.lol

I would like to hear about your journey into the faith and how you are doing today in the faith. That's if you don't mind. Thanks

hoopernikao:
You are speaking for him. Let him speak for himself. His earlier posts aren't disappearing here, at least not soon.


It's also obvious you missed the key element in a man's salvation. Salvation is not God's choice. He doesn't chose who to be saved. It is God's work alone but the decision to receive what he did for you is solely yours.

Christ died for all men. Either thief, pharisee, saducees, nairalander or scammer. He died for all.


So the key element you missed is, how then was the thief on the cross accepted and the pharisee were not. The answers were there for you to read if you chose to read with open mind.


How is a man saved, redeemed and accepted of God. It's clear in the bible

Romans 10
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


So, a man is saved by his faith in Christ, his gospel.


What you saw in the thief was an act of faith in the person of Jesus, listen to him again

Luke 23:42
And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

He believed there is a kingdom, and he believed Jesus's own it. He believed only Jesus can get him into it. That is the act, the faith, the repentance, the reaching out, the calling on the name, the believing with the heart. That is how the thief got saved. Not a forced actions or actions driven by sharing money on the street or philanthropist. It's a believing.

It wasn't a random salvation. He acted on the word, he acted by his believe. That is, when a man believe the gospel, he receives God's salvation.


So, can we say this in the case of the Pharisee?

Well it depends on the Pharisee you refer to. Nicodemus was one, Joseph of Arimathea too. And they followed Jesus.

So, why were many Pharisee rejected? Is it God that determine their rejection? Or they rejected the mercy, salvation and preaching of the kingdom.

As a Bible student, I am sure you know the answer now.


So, does God chooses randomly? No

Is the scripture clear on who is saved and who is of the lord? Yes.


Hence, it is a strange gospel to treat the scriptures as portraying God as inconsistent and confuse being, who only act on momentary emotions.

Lastly, take note, just a little attention to verses and reading them together with surrounding text will surely deliver us from this error of misinterpretation.

My brother, more � from above upon your head ijn.

From the OT till today faith and prayer are indispensable:

The following are the steps taken by Rahab which led to her deliverance:

- FAITH (Hebrews 11:6): even though she was not there when the Israelites defeated their enemies, she just believe the whole thing (Joshua 2:9-11);

- PRAYER (Matthew 7:7): she made request, she desired, she prayed... ( Joshua 2:12-13);

- OBEDIENCE ( Genesis 22:18; Jeremiah 7:23; John 14:21-24): she obeyed the conditions given to her, this made her to stop prostitution and remain separated ( Joshua 2: 17-21; 2 Corinthians 6:17)

As it was then so it is now WHOSOEVER shall take these steps shall be saved...

That is,- BELIEVE that Jesus died and resurrected for you...( Romans 9:9-10)

-PRAY for forgiveness and grace for new life...( Acts 8:22)

-OBEY the Word of God...( 1 Peter 1:22)

May God bless all who love the Word!
Amen!!

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KJV:And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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KJV:And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.


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