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Mr Fox:
From Topic : Hnd Is Now B.tech Degree In All Nigerian Polytechnics at https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-138041.0.html which relates to this topic I have the following to say.

There has indeed been an unfair treatment by employers who perceived HND as inferior to Bachelors Degree.
Here is my feeble attempt to guess a couple of reasons why
1. OND admission required less number of credits than Bachelors
2. A different exam PCE JAMB (easier than UME) is required for admission into ND.
3. Only a Pass in english is required for majority of OND courses.
4. Curriculum of Bachelors is different (not better) but of different objectives from OND and HND
5. University Libraries are better equipped than Polytechnics
6. Academic staff in universities include more Ph.D and Professors (i.e more academic achievement)
7. The Universities do lots of research and relate with academics internationally to keep up with developments
8. Polytechnic, as the name implies, are more technically oriented than universities
9. Universities have some courses that are research based like the education, medicine, agronomy, pharmacy which make the environment charged with too much efficos and grammar which is not required by Polytechnic.
10. Finally, employers know that HND holders have more technical skills than Bachelors holders but their needs in banks oil, telecoms and co, like teller jobs are not that technical and you dont have to be more than a school cert holder to do it, since the job market is full of both Bachelors and HND, first class, 2:1, 2:2, upper credit, lower credit. The companies who dont need your core skills either in engineering or accounting will prefer to employ a Bachelors holder who will speak with their customer, most times represent the company and when necessary take up a higher role in the management of the company. Every staff is a customer support staff. And by the nature of the academic orientation of students from universities, they are able to perform in these non skilled jobs and become professional at them. Speaking plenty grammar.

These 10 reasons are just my own opinion.

I hear now that universities and polytechnics will do the same exam (JAMB) next year and admission into ND will require five credits including maths and english. That is one very good way of setting the standard to same and removing discrimination. What now needs to be done is for the Polytechnics to achieve the same academically charged environment as universities. Lecturers in poly should also achieve Ph.D and do research. And grounds will level. Disrcimination will be removed. Not only in the mind but also in the content of education delivered to students of poly.

I totally condemn the discrimination I have seen in my work place. I dont support it all. I have B.sc from Nigeria plus M.sc from UK and even B.Sc(Nigeria) is discriminated against compared with B.Sc(UK) even within Nigeria. We all suffer it because its a Nigerian problem.

Dis Guy:
http://www.bowenuniversity-edu.org/pages.php?page_id=33

^^^ looks like they need a new university altogether!!

liaison offices, shopping complex?

blacklion:
Is there any private uni in Nigeria with an enrollment in excess of 2, 000 students? As far as I know, most of them have less than 1, 000 students, many even less than 500.

zstranger:
Why are you shifting the goal post like Kobo?

First thats not the point of this thread. Second, the owners of those private institutions are asking to be allowed to have access to the ETF fund for salary payment and other administrative services. They are fighting for themselves, not speaking on behalf of the students!

Katsumoto:
Private universities operate a profit model and by the very nature of high fees which they charge, should not receive a kobo from the ETF. If they are unable to operate on that model, then they should fold up.


I am sure you should know the differences between individual and corporate entities. Also, taxes are collected from all entities, both individual and corporate, for the greater good of society. Those taxes will go towards all services but it doesn't mean that all entities will benefit from all benefits. If your dad wants you to benefit from the ETF, then perhaps he should send you to a public university even if a private unviversity would be more beneficial to you. There is always a trade-off.

Besides corporations pay the ETF because they will have a better pool of graduates to recruit from and not because the private universities that CEOs kids attend should be subsidised by the ETF.

logic101:
why use an ad hominem attack on cap28 rather than debating on the content of their arguments.

reindeer:
It is simple
If they want to get money from the national purse, they should be willing to enrol children from poorer backgrounds the way it is now in the UK
If not,make these secondary schools go look for money now abi na by force to open universities?
Considering the fact that many of them are owned by politicians and religious bodies, allowing them access to govt money will only worsen our already divided polity.

Seun:
kodewrita is more than capable; he's the most qualified, really. I'm actually liking Fayimora too.

tonte23:
Have you noticed that as a single guy in modern day Nigeria, its easier to get a visa out of the country than to find a single girl who is good?

Let me define 'good' as used in this context:

A good guy is a good guy.

A good girl is one with a focus; with a vision and goals; educated, beautiful, fluent in English, witty, God fearing, possesses good culinary skills, has little or no nagging ability, has a great sense of humor, is liberal with the TV remote, dislikes Africa Magic, loves kids, is technologically savvy, etc.

This kind of girl is hard to find. This is because most of these girls are already taken by the bad guys. I don't need to define the bad guys, we all know them.

So that leaves us good guys stranded. A lot of us are still in the 'struggling zone' where we are still putting up in a one-bedroom room or squatting with a friend somewhere. We have a job that is barely keeping us alive and we still know what time to wake up to ensure we don't miss the BRT. Before you judge us and conclude that with such a lifestyle, we still need to struggle more, let me remind you that time waits for no man, especially one whose biological clock is reading '30'. So we decide to find other single ladies who will 'love us the way we are'.

For where?

If you can't afford Brazilian or at least Peruvian, or okay if it’s too bad, Vietnamese hair, forget it! If you can't buy and pay for her Blackberry BIS every month, forget it! If your daily diet is noodles and boiled egg (morning), noodles and pepper (night), forget it! You see, the good guys are in trouble!

We can't do Yahoo-Yahoo because we will surely be caught (we are actually the 'mugus'). We can't push drugs, infact the only thing we've ever pushed is our friends 'jalopy' 504 that operates with the push-and-start mechanism. Our favorite solidarity song is MI's ‘One Naira’, because it gives us hope that someday a 'Waje' will come our way. While we look for one, people like 2face have 5, D'banj is trying to choose, Uti has numerous, it just seems hopeless for us 'good guys'

We have gone to church to look for them, but even in church, some guys are giving N1000 offering, we are giving N500 tithe. No hope for us there! Sister Thelma will ask me after service, “Can you drop me at home after service?" Drop ke? I have already calculated how N50 will take me to Ikeja Along and how I shall leisurely stroll all the way to Toyin Street where I squat.

Then some expect you to take them to the cinemas. Can't we just buy the N150 DVD collection with 7 other movies inside sef, go to my neighbors house and watch? I mean, its money saved. Some expect you to take them out all the time: Chicken Republic, KFC, Tastee Fried Chicken. Is it not THE SAME chicken? Can't we buy one, kill and fry? Pour plenty pepper and enjoy? Buy N60 coke, boil rice and that's it?

I'm not stingy, just prudent!

It’s sad though, but I know that where there's a will, there's a way. There really are no good or bad people, just people in different situations/circumstances, people with different mindsets and beliefs. We just have to find that 'perfect' match. They say "the beautiful ones are not yet born" so there is still hope for you.

Seun:
Use PHP/MySQL to build websites that you can slap adsense ads on if you get any traffic!

kodewrita:
Can I Volunteer 4 d programming section? Been a while here but never tried to moderate. Tho I wont want to be the only one.
Even if I dont get chosen, here are a few thoughts:


First task: Remove all out of scope posts to other more deserving sections (if possible).
Second Task: Merge multiple posts with same title and author. (especially all those posts advertising social networks and cafes up n down)

Other ideas (for seun):
Would it be a good idea to create a subsection for programming jobs since they are more likely to be lost in the noise in the job section.
Would it also be a good idea to create a subsection for website reviews under the webmasters section?

zstranger:
This is a corporate tax, not an income tax. I[b]ndividuals don't pay into the fund[/b]!