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REAL TRUTH:
@Kunleosho: you re very correct,,however does it mean this would continue in perpetualty becos even lay man and none-christians can easily fault these pastors nowadays.

Yes i believe it would continue in perpetuality as that is what the scriptures say, i just hope they don't lead too many people to hell. That is also the reason why the scriptures say that judgement would start in the church. It also says that preachers of the word would be judge on stricter terms:

James 3:1:
1[b] Dear brothers and sisters, not many of you should become teachers in the church, for we who teach will be judged more strictly. [/b]

I am sure a lot of our false prophets don't even consider the above message before starting their business ministry.

I think every serious christian should ask his/herself the question the poster has asked and do some serious soul searching. are you really practising christianity the way christ taught us or are you following the teachings of the world.

@brein
I am certain segyemaro was not refering to you he was refering to biina so stop feeling cool

The bible already predicted that there would be several false prophets and warned us against falling for their antics. There being false prophets today is only a fufilment of the scripture.


2 Peter 2:1-3:
1 But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. 3 In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.

Matthew 7:21-23:
21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

REAL TRUTH:
I always appreciate your contribution Mr Kunle because you always use relevant Biblical scriptural quotes to back up ur statement,,,but don't these so called men of know what they re doing by distorting God's word?Also,,though I have very high regards for Kumuyi,,,why can't he mention names of some of these so called men of God.For kumuyi to be making such remarks about men of God,,,it means that this distortion has now become completely obvious,,,over to you our pastor Kunle!!

If pastor Kumuyi should mention any names he would be accused of being jugdemental, the other pastors would probably criticize him back and this would cause further divisions within the church. I think it is better to teach people how to discern these fake pastors form the scriptures and lleave people to decided themselves. Mentioning names would only make matters worse.

romade:
unkle k Don't Copy If You Can't Paste

But i can paste so why shouldn't i copy

sholabanke:
yes
u correct
he believe he can copy and paste

Yes na

Just for lafs….


A popular motivational speaker was entertaining his audience. He Said: "The best years of my life were spent in the arms of a woman who wasn't my wife!"



The audience was in silence and shock.

The speaker added:



"And that woman was my mother!"

Laughter and applause.


A week later, a top manager trained by the motivational speaker tried to crack this very effective joke at home. He was a bit foggy after a drink.
He said loudly to his wife who was preparing dinner,

"The greatest years of my life were spent in the arms of a woman who was not my wife!"

The wife went; "ah!" with shock and rage.

Standing there for 20 seconds trying to recall the second half of the joke, the manager finally blurted out

", and I can't remember who she was!"

By the time the manager regained his consciousness, he was on a hospital bed nursing burns from boiling water.

Moral of the story:

Don't copy if you can't paste!

@Marykelly
I think you are equally guilty of what you accused the poster of: he that as not sinned should cast the first stone John 8:7

biina:
Even at just $3B spent, what do we have to show for it?

Even thought the projects are yet to be completed there is a lot to show for the $3B spent as most of the equipment are already on ground just awaiting installation, that apart three power plants(Papalanto, geregu and omotosho) were completed and commissioned by OBJ b4 he left power.

Most christians don't know what it means to be true christian, they just go to church and pretend as if they are holier than thou. True christianity taught and preached by our lord Jesus christ is hardly being practised today. What is being practised today is churchianity. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-148850.0.html

Why don't you tell us

topup:
[color=#008855]I have been to many different churches in both Nigeria and the UK. I never keep my tithe, you're not giving to the pastor, you're giving to God, if the pastor manipulates this, leave him to God.

Another way of combatting this is to give to another church where you agree with their pastoring and ways of teaching, if you can avoid giving to an obviously corrupt leader, then do so.
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I think you you should go and research the bible well to first of all understand the biblical concept of tithing and if it was ever required of christians. Also learn what christian giving is all about (from the bible and not a pastor). A good place to start could be any of the threads on tithes on this forum including this one, there are enough biblical references on tithes to reveal the truth to you.

1 John 4:1:
1 Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world.

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1 John 4:5:
5 Those false prophets speak about matters of the world[prosperity] and the world listens to them because they belong to the world.

@Post
True talk

Romans 16:17-18:
17 And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18 Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people.

A state governor is more powerful(constituitionally) but the CBN governor controls more money i guess that should answer your question.

1 John 4:1:


Discerning False Prophets
1 Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world.

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1 John 4:5:
5 Those people belong to this world, so they speak from the world’s viewpoint, and the world listens to them.

1 Timothy 4:1-2:

1 Timothy 4
Warnings against False Teachers
1 Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. 2 These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead.      
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1 Timothy 6:10-11:
10 For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows. 11 But you, Timothy, are a man of God; so run from all these evil things. Pursue righteousness and a godly life, along with faith, love, perseverance, and gentleness.

John 8:32:
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”



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1 Timothy 1:7:
7 They want to be known as teachers of the law, but they don’t know what they are talking about, even though they speak so confidently.

2 Corinthians 11:4:
4 You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed.



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2 Corinthians 11:13:
13 These people are false apostles. They are deceitful workers who disguise themselves as apostles of Christ.

The so called power probe report as now been established to be politically motivated rubbish. The main problem with the power project is yar'adua who was ill adviced to suspend the power projects when he came into office even though these projects had reached an advanced stage of completion. The executive as now confirmed that only $3.08 billion was released by OBJ regime for the power project contrary to all the spurios claims being made b4.

Donald Duke

I think we should be talking of drafting back Donald Duke to contest and win in 2011. After all he blazed the trail of high performance amongst Governors in this political dispensation. See what he was able to achieve in a poor state like cross river, imagine what he would do if given more resources and opportunity.

The source of this story is very unreliable, it is a soft sell and little known newspaper called "NEXT". I am quite certain they are just making up this story based on speculation to sell their rubbish paper. The real bribe takers are yet to be named.

PS: is it possible the three different rulers who reigned years apart collected bribes for the same contract

darrytoz:
am not misrepresenting u am just asking you.ok.so what is the anme of ur church and to which association do u belong

The name of the church i attend doesn't matter as i don't draw my inspiration from churches anymore, instead i study the word on my own and truat me i have been able to learn and know more about true christianity this way. I also strive to be a better christian as taught by our Lord Jesus Christ. The only reason i still attend church is becos Apostle Paul encouraged us (not a commandement) "not to foraske the gathering of beleivers". I do not belong to any associated within the church even though i was an active member of the royal ambassador wheni was much younger.

slimfine:
Ummmmh, remember Noah's day fload? it whipped all those giants OFF!

That does not take away the fact that these heavenlybeings(sons of God) have the same genetic make up as we humanns hence the ability to have intercourse and reproduce.

2tait:
The issue of a Nigerian Pastor or indeed any pastor taking a bribe may not arise. Why would one offer a bribe to a pastor? Is the bribe meant to force the pastor to pray for you, or to preach the gospel? Usually bribes are offered to gain undue advantage on something, over others, and against the law, policy or due process.
Maybe we should spend more time projecting ourselves positively in the light of our new branding exercise. Nigeria: Good People. Great Nation.


www.wetindeyforum.com
it is all about relationships

A pastor can be bribed to exert undue influence on a member or members of his congregation. If for instance the pastor as a Governor or top politician in his congregation he can be bribed to exert pressure on the politician (claiming god sent him) to curry favours and contracts from the politician

Pele is definitely the greatest player and number ten that ever walked the surface of this earth.

Epiphany:
Man, i love your posts, you are someone that reads his bible properly. I've read your posts on TITHING and on THE BAPTIST CONVENTION AS WELL, THUMBS UP TO YOU!

thanx

More bible lessons for realpastor:

1 Peter 5:1-4:
Advice for Elders and Young Men
1 And now, a word to you who are elders in the churches. I, too, am an elder and a witness to the sufferings of Christ. And I, too, will share in his glory when he is revealed to the whole world. As a fellow elder, I appeal to you: 2 Care for the flock that God has entrusted to you. Watch over it willingly, not grudgingly—not for what you will get out of it, but because you are eager to serve God. 3 Don’t lord it over the people assigned to your care, but lead them by your own good example. 4 And when the Great Shepherd appears, you will receive a crown of never-ending glory and honor.




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2 Peter 2:1-3:

The Danger of False Teachers
1 But there were also false prophets in Israel, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will cleverly teach destructive heresies and even deny the Master who bought them. In this way, they will bring sudden destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. 3[b] In their greed they will make up clever lies[like tithes] to get hold of your money.[/b] But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.

Ogaga4Luv:
,c'mon think the God you have been saving all these years may be yourself.

Does this explain why you are serving satan

I just came across this bible passages which confirms what i have been trying to say from the beginning of this thread so i thought i might just resuscitate it maybe we might learn a thing or two from it, especially our highly ignorant and fanatical pentecostals.

Jeremiah 8:8-10:

8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise because we have the word of the Lord,”
when your teachers have twisted it [scriptures] by writing lies?
9 These wise teachers will fall
into the trap of their own foolishness,
for they have rejected the word of the Lord. Are they so wise after all?
10 I will give their wives to others
and their farms to strangers.
From the least to the greatest,
their lives are ruled by greed.
Yes, even my prophets and priests are like that.
They are all frauds.