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It is not the first fraud oh, it is just one of the several concepts being smuggled into christianity by crooks posing as pators with sole aim of reaping off the children of God. Tithes is another popular scam of these charlatans.

TITHING WAS ANULLED FOR CHRISTIANS

Hebrews 7:5-19:

5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19For the[b] law made nothing perfect[/b], but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Note: verse 18 specifically anulls the law/ commandment of tithing and went further to describe it as weak and unprofitable yet some greedy men whoclaim they are representing God still twist scripture to extort tithes from people honestly seeking God

I had originally decided to ignore this thread as i have done so much in the past to correct this errornous and greedy doctrine of tithing that is so popular in the pentecostal churches, however as a good christian i believe it is my duty to tell other christians the truth and set them free from this yoke of tithing placed on them by there pastors. hence i would just post a few scriptures that explains tithes well and leave the readers to their own understanding.

Deuteronomy 14:22-29:

The Giving of Tithes


22 “You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. 23 Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the Lord your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the Lord your God.

24 “Now when the Lord your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25 If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27 And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

28 “At the end of every third year, bring the entire tithe of that year’s harvest and store it in the nearest town. 29 Give it to the Levites, who will receive no allotment of land among you, as well as to the foreigners living among you, the orphans, and the widows in your towns, so they can eat and be satisfied. Then the Lord your God will bless you in all your work.

Well i won't be able to do the research immeditely as i a working on some things that need my attention right now, but i think the issue is not the pharisees doctrine per se it is actually that they are hypocrites as jesus stated in Matthew 23. Jesus did not critisize what they said (doctrine) he cristisized what they did (Hypocrisy) That apart i also have the impression that the pharisees had a very rigid interpretation of the law which was oppressive ( i can't remember the verse which buttresses this point). Also matthew 23:23 is a reminder of how the pharisees implement the law. they focus on the showmanship of it and ignore the weightier matters of justice, equity, mercy and honesty.

@PastorAIO
I think this your posts are really confusing, one thing is certain Jesus was definitely not a pharisees even if he had certain doctrines in common with them. Today we have over 30,000 christian denominations in the world with a number of them at each others throats, some would even deny others are christians. the distrust between the catholic church and the evangelical pentecostals is very obvious. the average pentecostal is mis-led to believe catholics are not christians and vis -versa and that does not make either one of them christian or not. My point being even though he may have similarities with them like we have in most churches today they are still very different ideologically

Pastor AIO:
The reason that I'm raising this topic is that I believe that Jesus was himself a Pharisee (as were his followers and the early christians) and that his criticism of them was in fact self criticism.  Like when we criticise nigeria and the nigerian way of doing things.  It doesn't mean that we are ourselves distinct from Nigerians.

And what fuels this belief as you have not been able to show any similarity between Jesus and the Pharisees. On the contrary Jesus was always at logger heads with them.

Tithes as nothing to do with christianity, it was the greed of man that made some preachers twist the meaning of biblical tithing and introduce it to christianity 700 years after chirstianity started. You would find NO record of tithing amongst Jesus or his disciples. The early christian records in the epistles never had any record of tithing as well what they preached was free will offerings. It is evil, wicked andd sinful to manipulate the word of god to Justify this type of fraudulent tithes being solicited in churches today, any pastor that is not satified with the offerings being ngiven to him should go and work. And those who believe in compulsory tithing under the law should remember that they are cutting themselves away from the grace of christ (galatians 5:4). @Poster no matter how much you try to twist the scripture, tithing was never directed at christians in the bible and the type of tithing practised in biblical times(agricultural produce) is totally different from the fraudulent version(money/income) demanded by churches today. Also remember that deut14 22-29 says a tither should eat of his tithes with his family

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=48078.msg3757476#msg3757476 date=1240252131]What this guy is leading to, although he restrained himself, is that MAN is god and MAN has free will to propagate but MAN is limited within two polar extremes and a successful propagation comes about only through a balanced and modest way of life, the mid point!  When MAN strays too far from the center and into either extreme end, then he is astray from his destined path and needs consultation with IFA to be redirected to the midway.  He used energy field and mass to explain IWA PELE!


We are sitting on a universal knowledge database.[/quote]The above highlighted statement is quite intriguing and i personally find some truth in it, in fact someone using biblical analogy here on nairaland came to the same conclusion on this thread : https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-137608.0.html i think you guys should check it out and lets have your comments.

@Negro
Your IFA knowledge seems quite advanced, are you an IFA faithful?

Matthew 23:2:
2 “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses.

Pharisees were the religious leaders of that time, i think a better header for this topic would have been "what is the difference between a pastor/preacher and a pharisee?" since pastors are now our religious leaders and most of them have that hypocritical attribute of pharisees.

@Krayola/sojioguns
Brilliant submission, i am really glad christians are coming to know the truth about the true gospel of Jesus christ which is a gospel based purely on love for God and Others targetted at making the world a better place for all. Churches have really distorted this truth for selfish gain. it is my prayer that Christ would reveal himself to us all so that we can genuinely understand his message.

OREAWADOO:
ROR IS FORCED ON MEMBERS THEREFORE CANNOT BE SAID TO BE A BEST SELLERS
SOME MEMBERS ARE COMPELLED TO COLLECT COPIES SOME THEY ARE UNABLE TO DISTRIBUTE
CELLS ETC , ARE ALLOCATED A NUMBER OF COPIES.

SOME PEOPLE ENTER GBESAY TO PLEASE LEADERS

WARRI SAYING [ NO TAKE SHAME CHOP WITCH]

Another cheap way of recruiting free labour to do the work of sales men/women without any renumeration whilst they are fooling themselves that they are doing "God's" work.

mazaje:
jeremiah was talking about events during his life time not the bible as you will like to have us believe. . . .

Jeremiah was talking about scribes and prophets twisting sriptures in before and during his time, some of theses scriptures have found there way into the bible, also there is no evidenc that this tradition of twisting scripture as stopped. Even today that we have a cannonized set of scripture, these so called men of god are still trying to twist it by giving all sorts of ridiculous interpretation to scripture. Essentially why i quoted Jeremiah is becos i wanted the OP and other readers on this thread to realized that man as always twisted the scriptures(from biblical times) even today and that is what accounts for the discrepancies we find in the bible.

maddock:
I dont have to visit the healing school, am the Healing school. I take people to the healing school and a lot of them came back with their healings and testimony.ok. So theres nutin either you or hubreality can tell me that i dont know.

So how come you have not witnessed all the scams and rackets going on there which so many people have testified to   Or do do move around there blindfolded? That is if you are not even one of those involved in setting up the arrangee "miracles"

maddock:
Hahahahaha Rhapsodies of unrealities, but the fastest selling daily devotional today in Nigeria (Africa and world). Dont worry keep on sleeping by the time you wake up,WATER GO DON PASS GARRI. MIGLET.

Fastest selling indeed, another of the numerous lies you clowns are constantly being fed with.

Just as one of you CEC customers claimed to have 10,000 workers and over three million members nationwide, why are you guys so notorious for standing the truth on it's head??

maddock:
@KunleOshob
Does Pastor Chris beg for money on air?

Na pastor chris is too advanced in his art of scamming that he doesn't need to beg any more, he would rather deceive, manipulate and intimidate people into parting with there cash(he makes more money that way than by begging). Also as i said earlier he is very good at merchandizing so he makes a lot of cash from selling all sorts of rubbish(i.e rhapsodies of unrealities) to his numerous gullible customers.

@Post
The problem with most religious belief systems especially christianity which i am very familiar with is that over the years man as corrupted the true essence of the religion for their own benefit and to manipulate and control other men. (jeremiah 8:8-10) Even the bible as been distorted by men, however this does not not take away the fact that there is a God and that he has revealed himself to manking in several ways. I became more convinced of my christian beliefs when i read thru the new testament, the gospel there can only be truely divinely inspired and certainly not what a mere mortal man would come up with. it also left me very disenchanted with the church who over the years have distorted the gospels and used it to extort others(today's churches are totally different from the churches established by the apostles in the new testament). I suggest you take time out to study the books of the new testament well i am quite certain God would reveal something to you. Forget church practises and doctrines just let the holy spirit inspire you thru the bible.

Jeremiah 8:8-10:
8How can you say, We are wise, and we have the written law of the Lord [and are learned in its language and teachings]? Behold, the truth is, the lying pen of the scribes has made of the law a falsehood (a mere code of ceremonial observances).(A)
9The wise men shall be put to shame; they shall be dismayed and taken [captive]. Behold, they have rejected the word of the Lord, and what wisdom and broad, full intelligence is in them?

10Therefore will I give their wives to others and their fields to those who gain possession of them; for everyone, from the least even to the greatest, is given to covetousness (is greedy for unjust gain); from the prophet even to the priest, everyone deals falsely.



For more on my submissions on this topic, you can read my posts on this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-148850.0.html

maddock:
How do mean?

Ask pastor chris, he as a lot of expertise and experience on merchandizing and profiting from christianity

fyneguy:
I did my NYSC in a bank in Lagos. The Customer Service Officer, a muslim then, had an accident and sustained severe injury on her left leg which left her on a wheelchair for months. This was threatening her job in the bank. We normally had short prayers every monday to commit the week in God's hands. As the branch manager was praying, the CSO WALKED IN and shouted amen. You can guess the reaction from all of us. It was electrifying.
She later told us her story. Someone had invited her to CE where Pastor Chris prayed for her over the weekend and she got healed.

If I did not know her before then, I would say she's just another CE member trying to woo us to her church. Here was a muslim. That was what made me attend CE for the first time. I became transformed by the power of the words of God I heard from Pastor chris.

As I was thinking of travelling back home to get my parents to change their attitude towards the man of God, my mum called me one day that she got healed of Athritis while watching Pastor Chris on TV. Ever since then, my parents always ask me to send them DVDs of Pastor Chris messages.

Assuming in the unlikely event your testimony is true, this is what the bible as to say about such charlatans:
Matthew 24:24:
24For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God's chosen ones).

maddock:
@ I-fy and binna

I wonder why "matured and enlightened" minds like yours will see the wrong things and still choose to accept it. So its okay for KunleOsho to insult Pastor Chris a man that does him no harm, or does statements like "419 pastor",charlatans,scamists etc complimentary. Check a summary of all his previous posts,if its not Pastor Chris then its Christ Embassy i mean you "matured and enlightened minds" should be asking KunleOshob what has Pastor Chris done to him.its okay for KunleOshob to insult Pastor Chris and wrong for someone spiritually immatured and unenlightened like maddock to give him a pinch of its own medicine. Arrant nonsense.

I am not insulting pastor chris i am merely calling a spade a spade and describing him as a 419 pastor,charlatan,scamist that he truely is

maddock:
KunleOshob just be watching your back cos am on your case.

You are now resorting to threats abi, typical example of a CEC disciple. the memory of the photograher journalist that your securityguards thugs and pastors beat in to a pulp is still very fresh in our memory.

Galatians 5:4:
4If you seek to be justified and declared righteous and to be given a right standing with God through the Law[tithes e.t.c], you are brought to nothing and so separated (severed) from Christ. You have fallen away from grace (from God's gracious favor and unmerited blessing).

I gues this should explain the dangers on tithing based on malachi 3:8-10 which is part of the law.

@m_nwanko
Well thanx for the contributions, as a seeker i keep seeking for answers and i strive to learn more but the more i learn the more questions that emerge and the more complicated it gets. The website on my signature as a lot to say on the physical nature of God and the gods, even though very controversial i must admit the site shed a lot of light on a number of things i suggest you check it out.

kenny888:
Money wey nor reach me spend,na hin i go dey give one jobless pastor?

Whilst it is good and biblically correct to support God's work by assisting and giving to preachers of the gospel, what we are complaining about on this thread is the abuse of scriptures by certain pastors to obtain money from their flock. kenny888 i suggest you should change your attitude and continually give towards God's work. if you are not comfortable with how your offerings/tithes is being spent in the church you attend maybe you should find another church. but i must admit there is genuine blessings in supporting the work of God it is only the abuse that we are quarelling against,

@M_nwanko
But some of this ancient traditions make it clear that these gods were physically with them, fosinstance the yoruba god sango was the alaafin of Oyo. That apart a number of ancient monuments that could not have been built by man were also attributed to the gods these are all physical evidences of the physical nature of the gods. That apart in genesis 6:1-4, these gods were popurted to have lived on earth and inter married with our women and had children. this provides futher insight to their physical nature and similarity in our DNA structure since we are able to interbreed with them.

Genesis 6:1-4:
1 Then the people began to multiply on the earth, and daughters were born to them. 2 The sons of God saw the beautiful women and took any they wanted as their wives. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not put up with humans for such a long time, for they are only mortal flesh. In the future, their normal life span will be no more than 120 years.”

4 In those days, and for some time after, giant Nephilites lived on the earth, for whenever the [b]sons of God had intercourse with women, they gave birth to children [/b]who became the heroes and famous warriors of ancient times.

PS: Going thru the above passage i think the highlighted part in red might explain why these gods are no longer with us, but then again it mighht not suffice.

kenny888:
My brother you just said the truth. Last sunday i was in a church service, a girl sat in my front wearing a tight trouser showing all the sexy physique in her. To be candid i did not concentrate on what brought me to church[b],i kept on admiring her each time we were asked to stand[/b],so its wrong for women to put on trouser.

Are you sure you were just admiring her and not lusting after her??

fyneguy:
So what is expected of someone after giving his life to christ? What does he need to do with the new life he has in Christ before the end comes?

You should live a christ like life which can be describe as thus: [faith, love, steadfastness (patience), and gentleness of heart.]  This is how James the Junior brother of christ descibed christian living/religion.

James 1:27:
27 Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you.

ps: It didn't say anything about church/ pastor worship or prosperity

@m_nwanko
Thanx for your response, you said majority of human beings have lost their ability to see/ communicate with these gods, what do you suppose is accountable for this. That apart, accounts from most belief sysmtems give the impression that these gods were physically with us here on earth (like jesus walked the earth). If they were actually physical beings like us, then how is it possible we have lost the ability to see and communicate with them.

This was addressed specifically to pastor chris and other "men of God" who have developed an obsession and love for money.

1 Timothy 6:10-11:
10For the love of money is a root of all evils; it is through this craving that some have been led astray and have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves through with many [a]acute [mental] pangs.
   11But as for you, O man of God, (pastor chris)flee from all these things; aim at and pursue righteousness (right standing with God and true goodness), godliness (which is the loving fear of God and being Christlike), faith, love, steadfastness (patience), and gentleness of heart.

Need i say more the bible as spoken  

This message was written in the bible with CEC members, pastors and other prosperity gospelers in mind.

1 Timothy 6:5-6:
5And protracted wrangling and wearing discussion and perpetual friction among[b] men who are corrupted in mind and bereft of the truth, who imagine that godliness or righteousness is a [a]source of profit [a moneymaking business, a means of livelihood]. From such withdraw.[/b]
   6[And it is, indeed, a source of immense profit, for] godliness accompanied with contentment (that contentment which is a sense of inward sufficiency) is great and abundant gain.

Lesson above is that as christians we should learn to be content and not see religion as a way of making money.

maddock:
@ KunleOshob
Where are you working and what line of business are you currently? If you are really prosperous then you are an idle prosperous fellow.

This thread is not about my personal life, it is about the scams going on in various CEC business units all over the world especially their South African franchise so i suggest we focus on that and live our individual personalities out of it.

maddock:
@ grand daddy Kunleoshob

What does lol and means. everything i do here is on a lighter mood ok. I dont take what people say here serious and you should learn to do same,ok

Whether serious or not we can tell your character by the fruits you exhibit.