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maddock:Classical response of a CEC member who has been indoctrinated in the evils of self love and hatred for others who are not stupid enough to fall for their pastor's scams. (I thought christians are supposed to love one another) |
@maddock if you must know i am gainfully employed, prosperous and doing very well in my business(es). Whilst i don't have much time for charlatans like pastor chris, i feel oblidged as a christian to write on forums like this so i can help open the eyes of some of the lost souls worshipping pastor christ and other scammers like him. It is my christian duty to set brethen on the right path and lead them away from the brink of hell. |
@fyneguy Answer the question and stop rabbling and ranting around the bush |
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anonimi:GBAM!!!!!! |
maddock:Well if you must know i graduated from university over 15 years ago. Probably before you and all the other munguns that worship pastor chris. |
Giving for the sake of Jesus means giving to the poor as he clearly taught us in matthew 25:35-40 Matthew 25:35-40: 35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’ 37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!’ Even though i support 100% giving towards the sake of spreading the gospel, most of what evangelical pentecostal churches are doing today is church planting and poaching of members of other churches to grow their own empire and NOT truely spreading the gospel. If CE is involved in charitable works then congratulations to them, but the question is what percentage of their income goes into this noble venture if they are really pursuing it and not just paying lipservice to it like most churches do. |
Jesus was obviously talking in parables in the passage you highlighted, how is it possible you receive a hundred times more sisters, brothers, mothers and children?? Who would even want that anyway. Also note that in verse 21 of the same passage you quoted the emphasis on christian giving directed by christ is giving to the poor and NOT to your pastor/ church or oyakhilome ![]() |
The knowledge and potency of herbs by our uneducated ancestors as always amazed me becuase they obviously had no means of doing research and development which is the way we develop drugs today. The theory is that they were taught by "the gods" my question is what happened to these gods and why did they disappear? Various cultures all over the world have their own stories of ancient god that lived with them at a point in time and some of them actually have evidence of the supernatural in terms of monuments thousands of years old which could not have been built by ancient men(They claim these monument were built by their gods) My question is what happened to all these gods and why did they all disappear ![]() |
fyneguy:All the above questions are duplicative so i believe one answer should suffice for all of them: basically Jesus came to reconcile man with god and teach us the right path to follow so that we would live a life that peases God. His central messages were "repent for the kingdom of God is at hand" love God with all your heart and soul""the need to believe in him" and "love your neighbour as yourself" this four messages form the central theme of Jesus christ message on earth and it was all about reconcilling man with God. |
Biblical perspective on worldly riches: 1 John 2:16: 16 For the world offers only a craving for physical pleasure, a craving for everything we see, and pride in our achievements and possessions. These are not from the Father, but are from this world. But our prosperity preaching crooked pastors would preach otherwise and tell you God provides you with wordly riches despite the fact that the bible states clearly that religion is not a way to become rich in : 1 Timothy 6:5-6: 5And protracted wrangling and wearing discussion and perpetual friction among men who are corrupted in mind and bereft of the truth, who imagine that godliness or righteousness is a [a]source of profit [a moneymaking business, a means of livelihood]. From such withdraw. 6[And it is, indeed, a source of immense profit, for] godliness accompanied with contentment (that contentment which is a sense of [b]inward sufficiency) is great and abundant gain. |
fyneguy:No body as ever said that christians should be poor on this thread, what we are emphasizing is that the christian message as absolutely nothing to with with acquiring worldly wealth which is what oyaks deceives his munguns into believing. Whether you are rich or not as nothing to do with christianity, what Christ is interested in is our salvation and eternal life. not temporary material wealth here on earth. There is no were in the bible that Jesus or any of his disciples promise anybody material wealth as a benefit of being his follower. Prosperity preaching is pure scriptural manipulation and it is from the devil ![]() Matthew 5:3 3Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. |
fyneguy:I deliberately stated that i only go to church when i feel like becos i knew clowns like you would jump at the bait and try and use it to castigate me whilst displaying their very poor knowledge of the bible and true christianity. Please quote one bible passage that makes church attendance compulsory for christians. Apart from when Paul asked christians not to forsake "the assembly of believers" which in itself is not an instruction or commandment for sunday sunday worship. I am also quite certain you don't even know the origins of weekly sunday worship, if you did maybe you would understand that it was ordained by mere men and that it has no scriptural basis. |
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Pastor AIO:Are you sure of this statement? if it is true then it means the yoruba race is essentially wasting it's potential. But after reading all this i feel proud of our heritage and of being a yoruba man. I sincerely wish to learn more. |
brein:Na you dey live, sleep and dream in mungun land. Please quote one single verse in the bible were christians were directed to tithe. |
Obviously Huxley is obssesed with pastor Adeboye ![]() @Topic Man as been naturally positioned by Nature to have dominion over women. PS: I used the term nature instead of God as Huxley might say he doesn't recognise God who is very manifest in the nature he recognizes. |
olabukola:On the contrary the fruit being reaped is our imminent victory of the champions league trophy and the FA cup title ![]() |
eghosaobas:It is now becoming evident even from the submissions of the pastors you interviewed that this tithing thing is jsut a scam to amass wealth for the benefit of the head of the church collecting it, even though they use God's name to arm twist their members into paying it. I thank God sha the truth is slowly being revealed. I pray that most christians find themselves on the right side of God when the time comes. brein:All christians are exempted from paying tithes ![]() |
Truth11:And how does all this ramblings explain how by being a "born again" you would be able to understand the bible better? The average "born again" does not even know the history of the bible talkless of the genuine will of God. |
eghosaobas:The highlighted statement above is very wrong as deut 22 specifically tells the tither to [b]eat of his tithe with his family, the passage also says tithes should be given to the widows, orphans and strangers and not just levites alone. That is apart from the FACT that tithing as NO basis in christianity. |
fyneguy:Look at this clown, what has denomination got to do with it after all denominations are unscriptural(1 corinthians 1:10-12) as it causes division within the church. i have always told everyone on nairaland that i consider myself non denominational even though i attend the baptist church whenever i feel like attending church. |
This write ups and links on IFA are truly interesting and amazing, i never knew IFA was this complex and sophisticated but i wonder how was this knowledge preseved though the ages since the ancient yoruba people who are the custodians of IFA had no tradition of documentation and keeping records other than oral. I find it difficult to believe that such volume of complex information could have been handed down orally in an accurate manner. |
annyplenty:How were IFA adherents able to keep such volumes of information and messages intact and undiluted since the ancient yorubas were not known to have any form of documentation or proper record keeping. |
JJYOU:From honestly solicited and freelly given offerings and contributions of their members. @binna You obviously don't understand this issue of law very well, but i am quite certain you don't practise the law else you would still be doing sacrificial offerings and observing the sabbath amongst several other mosaic laws(how come it is only the tithing law that is being ressurected?), however christ's death fufilled the law and it is no longer relevant to christians i would suggest you read the whole of galatians 3&5 to understand the christian perspective of the law very well. The romans scriptures you were quoting were quoted vstly out of context. Whilst the law was not condenmed the purpose of it was fufilled with the death and ressurection of Jesus and those trying to put themselves right by obeying the law are cutting themselves away from the grace of christ. Romans 10:4: 4For Christ is the end of the Law [the limit at which it ceases to be, for the Law leads up to Him Who is the fulfillment of its types, and in Him the purpose which it was designed to accomplish is fulfilled. That is, the purpose of the Law is fulfilled in Him] as the means of righteousness (right relationship to God) for everyone who trusts in and adheres to and relies on Him. |
fyneguy:I do not know the rational for including my name above or comparing me with atheist on this thread but i would strive to correct you in love. Firstly i am a strong new testament believing christian with the love of God in my heart and spirit. The fact that i point out lapses in the "church" does not in anyway suggest that i even remotely antagonize christianity, my grouse is with the several fasle doctrines and fallacies being preached by so called men of God today at the expense of the true gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, i propagate true christianity and i believe most churches have strayed away from the true gospel(this fact is quite glaring if you bother to read your bible at all) doctrines of men now prevade the church and i earnestly seek to reconcile the church to christ. I pray that God would use me as a vessel to bring the church back to him. |
I can't wait for us to devour these goons, FC porto next Man u is already out in fact i see us already in the finals against barcelona were they wouuld be made too pay for carrying the cup under our noses in 2006. Gunners 4 life |
[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=235021.msg3723469#msg3723469 date=1239646529]This is my point. However, everyone in heaven is Catholic, but that doesn't mean that they had to have been a member of a Catholic Parish on earth. Get my drfit?[/quote]And what is the source of the heretic statement highlighted above ![]() |
Truth11:The truth that most people that claim to be born again don't even understand the bible, they are mostly selfish and self centerd and christ is NOT in them. They claim to love God yet thet never keep his greatest commandment which is to love others. Even the pastors that champion this born again slogan are not christ like as they would rather keep the church collections for themselves under the guise of (runnin the church) instead of giving it to the poor and needy(showing love) as directed in the bible. 2corinthians 9, Acts 4:32-35 |
biina:This is clearly NOT a basis for christian tithing, here Jesus was speaking to pharisses who were under the law of moses and were oblidged to tithe as the law of Moses was still in force at that time. Also it was not a command to tithe but merely a cpomment. Thirdly what was being tithed here is mint, dill, cummin. (agricultural produce) and not money or income as it as been manipulated to be by our mordern day pharisees(pastors) for the sake of their greed and lust for filthy lucre. |
JJYOU:This churches that you are refering to that built their schools and hospitals with with tithes money and offerings don't even offer free or subsidized services. to answer your question were did the early missionaries that provided our parents and grand parents with free and qualitave education get the funding from?? Thirdly is it right for a church that claims to be serving God to resort to scriptural manipulation, outright lies and fraud all in the name of tithing to raise funds for the church? To make matters worse these churches do not even use the money to do what they were mandated to use it for in the bible which is mostly charity. I have never advocated for anyone to join the baptist church on this forum, even though i attend the baptist church, i consider myself non-denominational as i don't believe denomination(division) of the church which your pastors so aptly promote today. |
Jeremiah 8:8-10: 8 “‘How can you say, “We are wise because we have the word of the Lord,” when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies? 9 These wise teachers will fall into the trap of their own foolishness, for they have rejected the word of the Lord. Are they so wise after all? 10 I will give their wives to others and their farms to strangers. From the least to the greatest, their lives are ruled by greed. Yes, even my prophets and priests are like that. They are all frauds. I beleive the above passage aptly explains why pastors are preaching prosperity messages today, the reason is simple "GREED" and becos of this they twist the scriptures to obtain tithes and seed sowing from their gullible sheeple |
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