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@Alexleo
The fact remains that the type of tithes being preached and practised today is an abusive manipulation of the biblical tithes. We all know God is against the twisting of his word. If we must practise mandatory tithing as christians then we must realise that we have cut ourselves away from the grace of christ and secondly we must follow the biblical instruction on tithing to the letter. Any other thing would amount to abuse.

Any church that preaches the fraudulent doctrine of tithe as mandatory or compulsary for christians is corrupted and NOT preaching the true message of God. God would not dwell in a church were his children are being fleeced.

@Alexleo
the churches you okayed also preach this fraudulent doctrine as mandatory/compulsary so they can't be as good as you try to make them out to be.

Joagbaje:
The only reason tithing wasn't mentioned was because it wasn't an issue with them, it was part of their lives. and God never spoke against it at any time.

When would you stop these filthy lies was it also part of the lives of the corithians, galatians, phillipians, ephesians, collosians, romans e.t.c as Apsotle Paul never bothered to teach these gentiles tithing. Even the hebrews that it was a part of there lives were asked to nullify the tithing law in the book of hebrews. That is apart from the fact the the type of tithes they practised then as no semblance to the fruadulent one being preached today.

@Joagbaje
I am sure you know there is a difference between serving God and serving a Pastor or being religiously active in church.

Brainwashing, evidently their pastors are not even teaching them the truth.

@Azibaula
Where I fellowship is no business of yours, besides the hebrew 10:25 scripture is an admonition and NOT a commandment.

@mabell
I am clearly not a jehovah witness and I know very little about them so stop jumping into silly conclusions. I remain an unrepentant non denominational follower of christ.

Obviously the story is a figment of the imagination of the devious writer with no iota of truth in it, neither does NASA have any such intentions. Any true scientist would rather interview God and seek true knowledge from him than have such a daft and impossible intention. The article was written in very poor taste and personally I think it is very offensive.

CEC plc recently built a three billiom maira structure which they labelled "studio" for the transmission of their filthy programmes. The place is also available for commercial use as the profit motive is paramount in cec. Isn't it foolish to spend that amount on building such a structure when the true church they ought to serve is starving spiritually, physically and morally.

"Soul winning" in CEC plc is all about increasing their customer base with the singular motive of increasing revenue through various manipulative strategies and improving on the bottom line.

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So that gives you the leaway to add and subtract from it contrary to the instructions of God abi Verse 26 of that passage stands firm why don't you give us the "spiritual" interpretation of it.

@ogoamaka
Why don't you address the numerous issues I have raised about this tithing scam rather than making vague unsubstaniated statements against me.

@grey beard
Flesh and blood did not reveal the above to you, you are truly in the spirit.

You don't want to be "scamer"ed yet you are coming to solicit for a prophet on a faceless forum

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Evidently no one pays or practises the biblical tithe today, what we have I practise is the fraudulently manipulated man made version that is being used to extort money from the gullible sheeple on a continuos basis today.

ejimjesus:
God changes not niether does his words. tithe is the one-tent of your income and it belongs to God, no man who wants prosperity should temper with it.

offering is our contributions towards the church projects.

thanksgiving is an appreciation for what has been doing will continue too do.

Stop being dishonest, there is now where in the bible that tithes is described as one tenth of income, biblical tithe was not based on income but on agricultural produce. It is manipulative and fraudulent to change the word of God from produce of the land to money from income just becos it suits the church establishment. Besides the tithing doctrine was nev er directed at christians, it was par of the obsolete jewish laws which are not applicble to christians today and that is why the apostles never taught the early church to tithe.

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As usual uncle Joe is bragging again, typical CEC  unchristlike attribute.

Nice discourse, very insightful.

@petres
Why does joagbaje suprise you above Afterall it is a well known fact that his sect specializes in adding and subtracting from the scriptures all calculated towards the singular aim of feeding their greedy hungry bellies.

@otitokoro
Why don't you respond to my observation? Or is it safe for me to conclude that you deliberately and fraudulently quoted the bible out of context?

otitokoro1:
*Deuteronomy 14:22-25

Verses 24-25
"And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:"

Otitokoro, why are you being deliberately dis-honest ? cos in verse 26 of that scripture you are quoting out of context God gave specific instructions of what the money should be used for and paying it to the temple as cahs was clearly not an option.

Deuteronomy 14:25-26:
25 If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household.

Nobody has said it is wrong to build churches or places of worship, however the church should get it's priorities right and do the will of God. Christ on whose behalf churches supposedly collect money would rather the money be used to take care of the poor and needy amongst us rather than build monuments to ourselves that can never glorify God in anyway. Large church buildings most serve to satisfy the egos of the promoters they don't glorify God in anyway.

God does not live in man made edifices neither can human hands or money satisfy his needs, God would rather we use all these money being wasted to build useless monuments be used to take care of the least of his brethen. Jesus Christ said that if we love him we would obey his commandents, the question is why would churches that claim to love Christ neglect his commandments to takecare of the poor and needy or at best pay lip service to it and rather priotize building monuments that the author of our faith NEVER asked for?

Acts 17:24-25:

24 “He is the God who made the world and everything in it. Since he is Lord of heaven and earth, he doesn’t live in man-made temples, 25 and human hands can’t serve his needs—for he has no needs. He himself gives life and breath to everything, and he satisfies every need.





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Acts 7:48-49:
48 However, the Most High doesn’t live in temples made by human hands. As the prophet says,
49 ‘Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool.
Could you build me a temple as good as that?’
asks the Lord.
‘Could you build me such a resting place?

@jenwitemi
So were can I locate these core teachings of christ? You seem to have access to them.

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I hope RCCG, CEC,Winners chapel and members of all other churches who are lead to believe growing their church numbers, building edifices and promoting their church brand is spreading the gospel of christ have read and benefitted from this write up. The bible makes it clear that God does not live in man made temples neither can human hands or money satistfy his needs. All he requires of us his our heart loving him and also equally important loving one another.

@Jenwitemi
I do agree with you that there is a lot of mis-understanding and mis-conceptions amongst the "follwers" of christ today. Christians have largely missed the plot and the church is not helping matters, but the gospels still give a lot of insight as to what christ's teachings and these teachings could only have originated from a higher source.

@benodic
You keep quoting Harold Klemp, even though I know he is your spiritual leader, what is his source and how do you know it is authentic?

PS: mind you I personally agree with most of your contemplation seeds and believe they conform with christ's teachings, but you are quoting harold klemp as an authority, that is what I am questioning.

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Has someone hijacked zikky's user I.D

@poster
In matthew 23 Jesus was addressing pharisees who were under the law and were obligde to tithe. Christians are not under the law. The hebrew 7 you quoted from, if you read it upto verse 12 you would discovered that the law regarding tithe was changed becos we are no longer the levitical priesthood that demanded tithes. If you read further to verse 18 & 19, tithe law was further rubbished as it was described as weak, useless and unprofitable. Anyway you want to look at it tithing was never required of christians. 2 cor 9:7 answers your question, give as you pupose in your heart if I were you I would rather give all my tithe and more to the missionaries striving in the village than a church in town. They are the ones sacrificing their all for christ and need to be supported. Personally I don't give tithes and I resent the manipulative way it is preached in churches today. I preach free will and generous giving to those really in need as christ taught us to.

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Has someone hijacked zikky's user I.D

@GMcompere
First of all as a christian you are not oblidged to tithe as the mordern doctrine of tithing was arrived at through the manipulation of biblical injunction to tithe agricultural produce given to the jews[not christians] in the old testament. If you study your bible well especially the new testament were christianity began you would realise that tithing was never a part of the christian religion etablished by christ through the apsotles. Rather christians are taught to give freely as they purpose in their heart[2 corintians 9:7]. So don't let anybody pressurize you into to tithing as a religious obligation or insist it must go to a local church. Even in the old testment were the jews were instructed to tithe, tithes was never money from income neither was it the exclusive preserve of the the "church" jews were encouraged to eat of their tithe and also give to the needy deut 14:22-29 sheds more light on the biblical meaning and purpose of tithes as opposed to the unscriptural version being preached and practised today.

2 Corinthians 9:7:
7 You must each decide in your heart how much to give. And don’t give reluctantly or in response to pressure. “For God loves a person who gives cheerfully.

Deuteronomy 14:22-29:

22 “You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. 23 Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the Lord your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the Lord your God.

24 “Now when the Lord your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25 If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26 When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27 And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

28 “At the end of every third year, bring the entire tithe of that year’s harvest and store it in the nearest town. 29 Give it to the Levites, who will receive no allotment of land among you, as well as to the foreigners living among you, the orphans, and the widows in your towns, so they can eat and be satisfied. Then the Lord your God will bless you in all your work.

KunleOshob:
@joagbaje
Do you preach and receive tithes based on the biblical standard as defined in deut 14, or do you preach and practise the fraudulently manipulated man made version?

uncle joe, answer my question now!

@joagbaje
Do you preach and receive tithes based on the biblical standard as defined in deut 14, or do you preach and practise the fraudulently manipulated man made version?