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I don't depend on the old testament for doctrine, however fornication is also frequently preached against in the new testament.

The truth is that the biblical definition of fornication is different from the mordern day version. Biblically speaking Abraham did not commit fornication or even adultery.

Tithing as preached by the church today is the biggest and longest standing fraud in the history of mankind. My question would be how as the perpetuators of thismonumental fraud been able to sustain it for ages despite clear biblical injunctions that it is false and NOT the tithe required by God.

@Azibaula
Absolutely nothing I have said on this forum negates the true teachings of our lord Jesus christ which true christianity is based upon, however a lot of my writings negates the man made adulterated and corrupted version of christianity which as gained prominence today with an especially distasteful variation coming out of cults like cec whose sole aim is to rip off the laity and enrich the notorious criminal called oyakhilome. I remained steadfastly commited to the true teachings of my lord Jesus christ and would continuosly speak against criminals exploiting his good name for the sake filthy, disgusting, irritating lucre.

@Alethia
Nice to read from you, hope you are doing great.

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considering the fact that your god oyaks has negative value to the christian faith, I am not suprised at your silly rants.

@jenwitemi
So why don't yoi avail me of his core teachings since you are privy to them. Till then the cannonized ones in the gospels would suffice.

@jenwitemi
The core teachings are very well documented in the gosperls and is avaible for every genuine seeker to read.

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Yesoh! Including the fraudulent, twisted and manipulated doctrine of mordern day tithe which does not even have any semblance to the outdated biblical one.

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Yet 99% of them are not following the core teachings of christ or even preaching the true gospel.

@Azibaula
What is there to prove in that statement Are you a stark illiterate or you haven't read the bible to know that the levites are an ancient Israelly tribe all tracing their lineage to Levi one of the twelve sons of Jacob the progenitor of the Israelites.

And of course we know that you and other members of the oyakhilome organization see the gospel as a business i.e a money making venture.

The only problem is that you and your cohorts distort the gospel of christ for selfish gain. That aside Christ himself made it crystal clear that the greatest commandment is LOVE! Not even preaching the gospel comes before this great commandment and any gospel you preach that does not emphasize, practicalize and demonstrate genuine non exploitative love for others is a false gospel.

mabell:
Thats the problem with you and your committee, when you have an issue or a disagreement with probably a member of the church you end up generalizing it and as far as you are concerned, his/her pastor is involved

If you do a transaction with somebody running his masters in an institution or somebody doing his ICAN and you are disappointed, would you say its the institution or ICAN that sent the person or will you deal with the person one on one

Please grow up jare

In the case of CEC we have loads of evidence that it is the church's doctrine and pressure on members to make money and give to the church by whatever means that drives the members to a life of crime. So in effect CEC should be held responsible for it's members turning into criminals. Another point of note is that CEC is always the chief beneficiary of the proceeds of crimes commited by it's members judging by several cases we have read in the press, speaks volume of the kind of demonic spirit reigning in that church.

Azibalua:
Am sure when you heard his name you immediately heard his quotes like I know who iam,and more thus inspiring those in the service, and my dear we use the bible veer well an encourage studying the scriptures,even in theROR we have daily bible reading and also have a plan to either complete studying of the bible in one or two years.

Inspiring those in the service to do what idolizing Oyaks the more you guys are just a bunch of miserable misguided deluded clowns. Must people hear oaks name or see his irritating images before they get inspired to worship God? or hear from God? When would you mumus realize hat this is idolatory and against the will of God.

nuclearboy:
@Kunle:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-526272.0.html

By the time you get to the end, you will have laughed so hard you will be angry at fyneguy for making your face ache. Check out the letterhead for Mobil Producing and the amounts they want to collect and why. I almost burst my gut.

These are lazy people who are not interested in work, just an easy score. Sadly, they want to bring Gods' Name into it.

Be sure to check the letter from "HIS EFFICIENCY, KING PROFESSOR C.J.A. UWEMEDIMO, COMMANDER OF THE WEALTH OF THE OCEANS, AFRICA ICON OF OUR GENERATION, ETC ETC. I'm serious about those titles - just check the signatory of the  letter in post #27.

No wonder Yaks also has a Ph.D. That is even small compared to this one that fyneguy is selling here. His attempt to rebute texazzpete in post #39 is standard CE language - "we insist we are right no matter what the truth or evidence is".

I am not suprised that fyneguy is into 419 as that thread now makes it obvious that he is. It's a typical vocation of CEC plc adherents always looking for lazy dubious short cuts to make money. The only thing i would like to point out is that judging from the so called letters published in that thread he is a very daft a shallow amateur just like his Oga oyaks. One would have to be as daft as the average CEC member customer to believe such bucum. 239 billion dollar ko 239 billion kobo ni, awon ode buruku, ole, barawo, onijibiti lasan lasan.

@nuclearboy
Where is this command clem's thread? i can't seem to locate it. Could you give me a link?

@benodic
there are still quite a number of questions i would like to ask you but i guess i would take my time. for now i would like to ask ; what is the perfect will of God for us? and also what is eckankars attitude towards the christian concept of sin? or are there issues considered as sin in eckankar?

@newmi
Yeah it is faith alright but it is faith in a false man made fraudulent doctrine that has been proven time and again to be false, deceptive and a perversion of the true gospel of christ.

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Jesus does not need your 10% but Azibaula and other so called men of god need it, so they continue to manipulate scripture and use mass intimidation to extort 10% of the gullible's earnings.

@joagbaje
I am yet to see anybody preaching a poverty gospel on this thread neither as anybody said christians ought to be poor. What we are simply saying is that the gospel is not about material prosperity and the so called prosperity gospel was designed by the devil himself in the darkest pit of hell and it is being spread by his disciples[like yourself and oyaks] who have infiltrated the church to rob christians of their material wealth now and their future salvation. People would always be rich and poor with or without the gospel, stop doing your master's bidding and polluting the gospel for the sake of your greedy belly.

Touch not my annointed!

@yommy
You still haven't been able to show any scripture to justify mandatory tithing in christianity. All the scriptures you quoted relate to freewill giving in the churcg which is totally different from tithes which has diffrent rules.

nwakaibe:
I have never heard Ps Chris predicting things. .

He doesn't really do predictions, his area of core competence are stage managed miracles and fleecing of the flock.

Joagbaje:
he predicted the economy crisis in 2001. he said it would last for seven years

And the prediction as obviously failed to pass, since 2001 there was been economic boom which lasted for three years 2005-2007 after that we had economic crisis for two years 2008-2010. The economic crisis is already over even though the impact is slow in being felt. As at today we have a GDP growth rate of 7.1% one of the fastest in the world. That aside all the other counries in europe and a America have put the global financial crisis behind them and are on the path to recovery. Another glaring evidence that Oyaks is a false prophet. Thanks to Joagbaje for exposing him on that one  

yommyuk:
In Numbers 18, the levites were required to tithe on what they recieved from the people to God. Now Jesus Christ is the one whom God had given all authority and right to receive the tithe. Haba bros, give me another quote

I understand that a lot of crooks are out there, collecting tithes from the masses for their own personal gain. However the action of some should not abolish the requirement to tithe.

The issue of where do we pay our tithes is another topic. Likewise there are more important issues facing the church than tithes -->> Matthew 23:23

The highlighted above is a lie from the darkest pit of hell an i challenge tyou to provide scriptural backing for that heresy you posted. Jesus christ is not a tithe collector, he NEVER collected tithes neither did any of his apostles whom he mandated to establish the christian faith. Tithing was never a part of christianity in the early church but was only introduced in 585 AD by the catholic church, even then it was in agricultural produce form. Monetary tithes from income is a mordern day invention and it began as recently as 1870 so don't come and twist scriptures here to justify this evil act. Besides if you want to give to Jesus the only way Jesus asked we give to him is to give to the poor and the needy [Matthew 24:31-40] he never even asked, taught or encouraged people to give to his ministry. So if you believe Jesus requires your tithes which he does not, the appropriate thing to do is to give it to those christ athurized to receive on his behalf and that is the poor and the needy and not some manipulative church.

Brilliant thread! This thread really puts a lot of things into clearer perspective, i recommend it to anyone truely seeking to understand the true biblical concept of salvation.

I hope the prosperity gospel adherents of CEC, winners chapel and KICC who throng this thread are reading and learning. It is a false gospel designed for your itchy ears by fraudulent teachers who want to take advantage of you, a word is enough for the wise.

Nice write up, if only they would read and learn. Prosperity gospel is a tool the devil is using to defraud and enslave so called christians.

yommyuk:
Secondly Galstians 3 was not about tithes, but CIRCUMCISION. The Jews of Paul's day did not have an issue with the Galatians paying their tithe, likewise Paul. So please brethen, don't try and cover up your misdeeds by quoting a scripture that is not relevant to the issue at hand.
CIRCUMCISION,NOT ABOUT TITHES. Try harder bro

Neither the galatians nor any of the early christian church paid tithes as it was not part of the apostolic teachings handed down by the disciples. The only people that tithed in those days were the Jews and they tithed based on their agricultural produce and not their income. Yes Galatians 3 was not about tithes but the principle can also be applied to tithes since mandatory tithes is of the law and it is that same outlawed mandatory tithes that is still being used to deceive christians 2000 years after it was nailed to the cross and declared illegal. The fact still remains that the early church NEVER taught tithes it was introduced to christianity hundreds of years later through manipulation of obsolete old testament texts so it cannot be the will of God. That aside the scriptures in Hebrew 7:5-19 makes it crystal clear that tithing as been done away with becos it was a weak, useless and unprofitable law. Christians are not meant to tithe shikena.!!!!

Although Twitchell founded Eckankar in 1965, Eckists claim that the basis for the Eckankar teachings date back to the beginning of human life.

According to Doug Marman, Twitchell sourced many modern and ancient religious teachings in his creation of the Eckankar Teaching, but the main sources appear to be Sufism and a little-known teaching in India called "The Parent Faith". (This is where other light and sound teachings, such as Sant Mat and Surat Shabd Yoga also derived their roots.)

Eckankar headquarters were originally in Las Vegas, Nevada. Under the leadership of Darwin Gross, the organization was moved to Menlo Park, California in 1975. In 1986, Harold Klemp moved the base of operations to Minnesota, where it remains today.

Eckankar was founded as a business; however, the Panel of Administrators urged Twitchell to conform to usual standards, and the teaching was later registered as a non-profit organization. Eighteen years later, in 1983, Harold Klemp changed it to a recognized religious institution. Currently, Eckankar is accepted as a religion by the U.S. Army,[14] the Boy Scouts of America, and many other public institutions.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckankar

@benodic
I just did some research on eckankar on the internet and came up with the above highlighted. How do you react to that as we all know very well that religion and business don't mix.