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@Mabell
So how come they don't air the so called miracles on local channels any more?

nuclearboy:
[size=18pt]Government did NOT BAN Miracles on TV.[/size] They only said they will verify ALL televised miracles. So why did the miracle workers" run away IF they knew their miracles were true?

[size=20pt]GBAM GBA GBOSA[/size]

Maybe Pastor Joe can explain and that silly girl called mabell should not come here and say they still air Atmosphere for faith which is a totally different charade from Atmosphere for miracles that was taken off air becos they could not verify the so called miracles they claimed to be performing there/

When would Joagbaje stop embarassing himself and his oga on nairaland

honeric01:
This man is sick.

So Tinubu is now a lawyer and a judge?

If you don't even have any skeleton in your cupboard before, how would you even have any case with anyone?

It is an open secret that Tinubu owns the Lagos Judiciary and press, they would always do his bidding.

LoveKing:
Where is nuclearboy and Kunle when you need them badly?

There is nothing to comment over here, we have already been through this issue several times and even one of Oyaks disciples has admitted some of oyaks miracles maybe fake but he justifies it by saying this deception leads people to christ. While in actual fact what he means i that this deception increases their customer base in CEC

Olumogun:
3. I was thinking some one will come out here to say, 'this is what Pastor Adejare Enoch Adeboye did wrong'.pls note that I am not a redeemed church member , so i do not have cause defending anybody.

As a true follower of christ, it is wrong for Pastor Adeboye to allow his members to continue to call him daddy which is contrary to the instructions of our lord Jesus christ.

Matthew 23:9:
9And do not call anyone [in the church] on earth father, for you have one Father, Who is in heaven.


That is apart from the fact that he also preaches compulsary tithing which has now been confired to be a fraudulent manipulation of scriptures.


@Joagbaje
Paaul's teachings were strictly based on christ's teachings, he was not a rebel like you and your spiritualfather oyaks. Paul describing timothy as his son does not translate to him teaching us that we should be calling church leaders daddy contrary tothe teachings of christ.

Snowwy:
@KunleOshob,
My questions beg an answer. Don't try to dodge it. Answer it first then we can proceed.
You misquoted Hebrews 7 to mean that tithe was abolished based on Paul's teachings meanwhile Jesus said we should not leave it undone.
You are therefore weighing the words in a bible on a scale.
Please answer my question, whose teaching is right? Since you say that Paul's teaching is based on Christ's teaching and Jesus said that tithing should NOT BE LEFT UNDONE (he did not abolish it) it means that all your arguments on tithe being 'heretic' is false and we should therefore flee people like you.
You quote scriptures according to your whims and caprices.

If you have enough intellect to read comprehend and understand my last post on the tithing scam, you won't be repeating this deluded question. The type of tithe jesus was talking about is different from the fraudulent version preached today and it ws directed at pharisees who were under the law NOT christians who are under grace. Hebrews 7 clearly nullifies the Jewish custom of tithing if you are not happy with it go jump off a sky scrapper and make the world a better place instead of joining those spreading the poisonous doctrine of mordern day tithes which is destroying lives.

PS: This is not a tithe thread, if you want to continue this discussion i suggest you resuscitate one of the several tithes thread and we continue the issue there. Stop derailing 'daddy's' thread his adulators want to continue celebrating him here.

This confirms what I have always suspected, Tinubu orchestrated Bode george's imprisonment. The charges against the man was just too flimsy.

Christianity today is based primarily on the teaching of Jesus christ, even Paul's teachings were based on christ's teachings.

@snowwy
Was the type of tithing which was directed to those under the law which Jesus okayed for the pharisees which was agricultural produce the same as the fraudulently manipulated one preached today?

^^^
I wld rather burn my money than spend it to go and listen to a fraudster in south africa or watch any of their stage managed charades

What do you want me to explain? Jesus is the final undiluted and unchangeable authority, paul was inspired by the holy spirit even though he still had his human limitations, theirt words obviously don't carry the same weight

^^^
I dey laugh!

@nuclearboy
Thanx, all glory be to God.

^^^
World cup stadium ko, onikan stadium ni. You think south africa is like naija that they would allow a scammer to come and hold a jamboree in there stadiums. Maybe oyaks shd go and build his own stadium if dem born am well, after all he is fleecing off enough money to do that.

This church is just crude and blunt in the way they go about their thievry, I don't think the likes of CEC, winner's chapel, rccg and kicc are any better. They all obtain money by false pretence in the name of God.

@joagbaje
No matter how much you guys try to hype up your yeye site, you can't hit one million members in the next ten years. You fail to realize that oyaks is just popular in his church to the outside world he is just a scam artist. I thought you said oyaks raked up over three million followers on twitter within two months? How come it is so difficult to get ordinary 100,000 followers on his own yeye site? I still dey laugh!

Joagbaje:
@kunleoshob
Jesus christ of nazareth didn't function in the new testament. If you must grow out of babyhood, listen to paul.

This is really below the belt, i don't know how to respond to this now that you have made it clear that we don't worship the sme God and those of us that follow Christ [true christians] are spiritual babies. Well i leave you to continue to follow chris who is leading several like you on the wide express way to destruction whilst fleecing you into the bargain.

I just checked the list of top hundred visted sites in Nigeria and their yeye Yookos was nowhere to be found

@Gombs
Why do CEC victims like regurgiate the filthy lies they pump into your skulls without verifyig? Your Oyaks does not even feature in the top hundred twitter accounts talk less of setting a twitter record. To date your rubbish yookos does not even have upto a hundred thousand registered members yet you claim he had millions of followers on twitter. Take it or leave it Yookos is a business initiative of Oyaks designed strictly to make money for him using you his muguns as a launching pad and free marketers.

@post
Whilst you need a pastor to assist in one's spiritual growth, one does not need a pastor to mediate btw him and God. Aside a lot of pastors today are shallow and they preach twisted doctrines which makes one worse off than one without a pastor. Imagine the number of eternally lost souls that are being led to destruction in CEC alone, even Pastor 123 on this thread teaches a lot of false doctrines.

@image123
You sound more like a goat than a sheep to me with your stubborn endorsement of manipulated carnal doctrines.

Happy birthday to the best president this country has produced. Your legacies live on baba, may God continue to bless you.

As usual image123 like his partner in crime joagbaje feels a need to defend church business.

Zikkyy:
I m not CE, but i will give you my reason It's goes beyond the need for networking among CE members. The idea is to bring CE to the broader society or viewed from another perspective, to bring the broader society to CE It's a brand awareness thing you can call it marketing

You are not exactly right, there is potentially a lot of money that could be made on social networking sites. Facebook forinstance has revenues in excess of $800 million per annum. The more members you have the greater your advertizing revenue. So basically CEC is just trying to develop a money spinning website using their church members as a starting point and marketing instruments. When you get to understand CEC well you would realize that everything they do is ultimately about making money for it's promoter.

nuella2:
@kunle

Paul called Timothy his son, what do you think Timothy called Paul?


1 Cor 4:14-16

14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.

15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
KJV


1 Cor 4:17

17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
KJV

I quoted our lord and saviour Jesus christ who is the final authority in heaven and on earth and you are quoting apostle Paul who was merely his servant. I am not suprised as you have demonstrated on a consistent basis that you would rather obey Oyaks than obey the word of God.

This scripture might be beneficial to some people on this thread.

Matthew 23:9:
9And do not call anyone [in the church] on earth father, for you have one Father, Who is in heaven.

Amplified Bible (AMP)

@snowwy
Can you comprehend english at all I already went to lenghts to explain my position to you yet you are still asking silly questions. As i said earlier the preaching of tithes as compulsary or mandatory for christians is manipulative and fraudulent. It is the manipulative and abusive preaching by pastors i speak out against and not christians who decided on their own volition decide to give towards the work of the gospel. Pastors are duty bound to speak the truth ad let their congregation know the truth about tithes. And tithing the way it is preached today is fraudulent. if a pastor lets his members know that it is not compulsary or mandatory but still encourages them to give a certain percentage of their income then he is in order but as long as it is preached as compulsary or mandatory it remains a fraud.

Mmmmh means 'daddy' is way past retirement age, when is he going to step down for the younger generation

Snowwy:
Kunle Oshob,
Please show us the right church we should attend since all churches are fraudulent to you.
I am sure lots of people on Nairaland await your response.

I have also noticed you are never consistent. You say you agree with Alexleo's post were he says there is nothing wrong with using money to give tithe.
Yet you say tithe is fraudulent! Why do you keep shifting the goal post? It seems you only make comments based based on your feelings.

Bros i am very consistent it is you that fails to understand me. I have no qualms with people giving any percentage of their income to the church they if they so desire, what i detest and resent is the fraudlent manipulation of scripture which the mordern day tithing doctrine is derived from. And pastors that preach this fraud. If a pastor makes it clear to members that as christians they are not under any obligation to tithe of their income but he still encourges them to devote a certain percentage of their income[which members would determine themselves] to the church then he woul be in order. But twisting the word of God in Malachi 3 to extort ten percent of members income via preaching compulsary tithing is not only manipulative but is evil, callous and contrary to the will of God. It is the manipulation of God's word to extort tithes that i condenm, not the innocent victims that are striving to do the will of God and trust their pastor to tell them the truth.

@mabell
they could have extracted it from a cec pastor operating or procedural manual as what is writeen there describes very well the way cec pastors operate.

alexleo:
Pastor AIO & ogajim ,
there is nothing wrong in using money to give tithe. As one is led by the spirit of God let him do.

I quite agree with the above but there is everything wrong in a pastor preaching mandatory/compulsary tithes from income to christians. It is very manipulative fraudulent and mis-leading. Christians should be left to determine in their heart what they choose to give.

^^^^
Is the above an extract from CEC plc pastor operating manual Uncle joe please confirm.