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@benodic
I just listened to the HU song on youtube and it's just one long huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, do you guys take breaks to breath at all when singing it? It seems like a song that would like one out of breath.

nwakaibe:
Daystar repaired schools,mfm repaired schools,fountain established a hospital for the poor. Christ Embassy during reach out Nigeria donated classroom blocks,books,vehicles for the police etc. In anambra, they gave internet enabled pcs to all the police formations. A sister needed surgery and is a member of charismatic, we needed money, women fellowship of Daystar gave us N100,000. These churches are trying for the poor and the society. Read the newspapers and you will see the stories

What you guys fail to realize is that charity is the primary duty of the church even before evangelism. If you care study the teachings of Jesus and the apostles very well you would realize this was there number one priority. In the early church most of the church collections was used to take care of the poor and needy and also feed the poorer members of their churches. it wasn't a by the way activity as is being done in churches today it was their core function. The churches you mentioned above all rake in billions every year, they spend only a very minure fraction of what they generate on charity but even spend more money on publicizing this "charitable" acts contrary to the teachings of christ. Churches claim that they are using the money to spread the gospel, this is a big fat lie very few churches today are actually spreading the gospel what most of them are doing is spreading their individual church franchises in the most economically buoyant cities in the world there by ensuring their revenue continues to grow. Churches would rather go an open branches in the U.K were a large population of christian faithfuls already exist rather than go to our neighbouring benin republic who are still pre-dominantly pagan and need the gospel more than Nigerians in the U.K who have already heard the gospel. reason being they stand to make a lot more money in the uk yet they claim they are spreading the gospel.

The fact remains that as far as charitable works is concerned Nigerian churches are just scratching the surface their impact is not being felt even in their immediate communities, it is only noise we here yet they spend billions on building and acquiring monuments to themselves that God didn't send them.

@benodic
Thanx, the example of Paul is really a eye opener. I have always known that the early church fathers [catholic church in particular] hid away a lot of things from mainstream christianity. I also know a number of books considered scriptural by the early church were deliberately omitted from the bible for various reasons amongst which were that some books were considered exclusive to those with higher spiritual calling. Anyway I would still keep an open mind but I am very skeptical about dabbling into the spiritual realm even though I strive to know God better.

@benodic
I have been following this thread quitely for a while now and i must commend that your conduct and your teachings are really quite inspiring. Infact i must admit you have gotten me very curious and wishing to learn more about eckankar however i am very skeptical of delving into the spiritual or inner planes. Cos i am not really sure as humans it is God's will for us or if it is necessary. Also i know that dabbling into such can be very dangerous. Aside that i draw my inspiration strictly from the teachings of christ[not the entire bible] and all these soul travel stuff are alien to christ's teachings although i must admit that a lot of of eck teachings especially in the area of love conforms to the teaching of christ. I would want to know more but i am not ready to try any spiritual exercise or sing the "HU" song as it does not conform to my limited understanding of the what God expects of us.

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I am not actually obsessed with oyaks or cec IRRITATED is a more apt description of how I feel about the damage they are doing to body of christ.

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@Mabell
Why are you so obsessed with me? Am I the one that made the statement you are responding to? Or why are you addressing it to me?

You probably used the wrong search criteria or spellings. I tried it and came up with this hope it helps:

http://www.edoworld.net/EdotourismReligion.html

http://www.bookrags.com/research/edo-religion-eorl-04/


There is also a facebook page on the topic, you might meet people there who are more enlightened of your traditional belief system.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-unique-CULTURE-OF-EDO-PEOPLE/360728755272

Why don't you try a google search? I am sure something would come up.

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If you can ccomprehend english, you would realize from what I wrote that the daft question is not relevant to the topic as Abraham's one off tithes has absolutely nothing to do with the man made version being promoted in churches today.

@crossman9
I would really love to have a copy of this book, how can I contact you?

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More like claims of charity. It is only on NL I read about so called charitable acts of their so called innercity mission. If they are truely making any impact we should have heard a lot more about it from independent sources by now.

@mabell
So your salvation depends on a fraudster? I weep for you my dear sister you are really a lost soul and you don't even realize it.

Joagbaje:
So which which widow did Abraham give his tithe to?

mabell:
like joagbaje said, did he give his tithe to any widow
im interested in your opinion

How does that concern us Is there anywhere in the bible we are asked to exemplify Abraham's one off tithe? Abraham gave his tithe to the King of Salem, are you giving your tithes to a king as well or you are manipulating Abraham's tithe for the sake of filthy lucre?

mabell:
Having done all these and more, i can beat my chest and say i know the mind of God

You know the mind of God yet you would rather follow a man, a cheap common criminal at that. It must be the mind of the mamon god that you know I laugh in summersaulting phonetic tongues

newmi:
bonboi is that what you think- prove positive-small mind Gbam! because if that is a picture of what you foolishly thing CEC pastors have being doing then you are wrong my boy otherwise how can you explain the crowd and soundness of teaching simultaneously obtainable in every CEC church in the world even in campuses among students. Look you have no idea who and what you are dealing with. This people even to the least of them are more sound in doctrine that you could ever imagine even if God grants you a thousand years to live. For instance l have quoted scriptures that you could only in your dream imagine but because you don't study your bible with a broken and contrite spirit hungry and thirsty for God to learn and to be improved by the word rather you read only to win arguments SHAME TO YOU AND TO THE HOST OF YOUR COMPATRIOTS and bad news kid- THERE AN'T NO STOPPING US NOW WE'R ON THE MOVE WHPPPPPPS

What nonsense is newmumu ranting above CEC pastors sound   Is that why Oyaks consistently and routinely embarass himself shamelessly by the shallow and twisted teachings he spews out on National and global T.V   Even we have an example of a CEC pastor right here on nairaland and i have lost count of the numerous number of times he has been caught pants down twisting the scriptures and expressing a very shallow and distorted knowledge of the scriptures. The only reason why you have a crowd is becos your pastor preaches what appeals to the delusion of his gullible followers and have developed itchy ears. Nobody that has a sound knowledge of scriptures would ever consider listening to Oyaks or any of his robots in his business branches.

@Azibalua
Answer him if you have any biblical answer and stop evading the question ye generation of vipers.

Awwww my fa?ourite pastor, Pastor AIO is back. Where have you been? Thought you abandoned the forum anyways welcome back. As you can see not much as changed since you left your fellow pastor joagbaje is still at his best gleefully twisting and manipulating scriptures for the sake of his hungry belly.

@Azibaula
If he[melchizedek] is still alive, can you tell us were we can find him? I am sure his views would be invaluable on this tithing racket since you guys love to use his one off example to justify the racket.

@sirjohn
These characters have been so thoroughly brain washed by Oyaks that they are now totally brain dead, they can't reason or think for themselves again. They are like zombies who depend or Oyaks and their filthy rapshody of errors for direction. That apart joe boy still needs Oyaks to put a meal on his table you know how difficult it is to sell art work in Nigeria and how lowly priced the works of obscure artist are.

@joagbaje
What hubris are you ranting above? Quote scriptures to support it. According to Deut 14 :22 the yearly tithe should be eaten by the tither and his family in the presence of God. Verse 28 & 29 of the same chapter later says the once in three year tithe is for levites including orphans and widows. This is without recourse to the fact we all know for a fact that the type of tithes preached and practised is not the biblical type but a fraudulently manipulated man made version.

@deman man
That is the only thing they excell in in christ embassy, distorting the bible for the sake of filthy personal gain.

Kenyan 28:
AND I SAID THAT AM READY TO SHOUT IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER THE HILLS, MOUNTAINS AND EVERYWHERE THAT I AM HEALED, WHATS SO DIFFICULT FOR U TO UNDERSTAND?

I WILL SHOUT AS LOUD AS I CAN AND AS MANY TIMES AS I CAN THAT AM NOT GIVING SOMEONE ELSE'S TESTMONY BUT MY VERY OWN THAT ON 3/4/2010 I TESTED HIV- AFTER 8 YEARS OF BATTLING WITH THE VIRUS!!, THANKS TO THE HEALING SCHOOL AND PASTOR CHRIS, GLORY BE TO GOD,

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This was the same clown that disappeared last year when we asked her probing questions to authenticate her false claims. I hope you haven't infected your poor husband with the virus sha.

Joagbaje:
Tithes are to be given to God and not to widows, the ministers of God prays over them Because of the anointing in their office. Abraham didn't give his tithe to widows, he gave it to a minister. And the minister by the anointing blessed him

Oga why do you love distorting scriptures becos of your greed, you call yourself a pastor that knows the scripture well yet you claim tithes are not to be given to widows even when the bible clearly states so abi the following passges are missing from your bible.

Deuteronomy 14:28-29:

28 “At the end of every third year, bring the entire tithe of that year’s harvest and store it in the nearest town. 29 Give it to the Levites, who will receive no allotment of land among you, as well as to the foreigners living among you, the orphans, and the widows in your towns, so they can eat and be satisfied. Then the Lord your God will bless you in all your work.


Deuteronomy 26:12

12 “Every third year you must offer a special tithe of your crops. In this year of the special tithe you must give your tithes to the Levites, foreigners, orphans, and widows, so that they will have enough to eat in your towns

The myth of evolution is one of the most ridiculous and outlandish thing that science has ever suggested, it still beats my imagination how any right thinking individual would believe such ridiculous, shallow and daft fables. It makes no sense at all.

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Gbab gbam gbosa!!!

@sirjohn
I don't why you bother to respond to these sick nut heads, can't you see they desprately need help? I would rather you pray for them so that they can be released from the yoke/curse/delusion of oyakhilome.

@newmi
Preaching in Jesus name is NOT the same as preaching HIS gospel. Several false preachers like Oyaks just use his name to fufill their greedy motives, besides christ never promised us material prosperity but rather he said it would be more difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God than for a camel to enter the eye of a needle. The focus of christianity is NOT material wealth, don't let oyaks lead you to hell.

Joagbaje:
If pastor chris is fake ,then Jesus must be fake too! Because he preaches christ .

Pastor Joe, how can a whole pastor who is supposed to be knowledgeable about the scriptures make a statement such as above? How can you compare Jesus with a common crooked criminal just becos of your belly, you no dey fear God? Did Jesus himself not warn that several false teachers like Oyaks would preach in his name since when did preaching christ become the criteria for determining a follower of christ? Did Jesus not tell us that we would know his true follwers by their fuits and their works?

mabell:
Well Kunle oshob and co, you have won a soul
Congratulations

It's your Oga that first insinuated that Jesus is fake just becos it has been established that your chairman is a fraud. Aside that martian is known to be a notorious atheist and if you ask him, i am sure people like me are likely to bring him closer to christ throught the true gospel rather than the false one that is so popular and being peddle these days. Fact re,mains that a lot of people turn to atheism becos they are reacting to the false gospel being promoted by charlatans like Oyaks and also becos they see that most of them and their follwers are hypocrites, exactly what Jesus christ fought against.

@uche13
You point is noted and appreciated, but truth be told it is the way his worshippers idolize him on this forum that brings out the fury in me. Jesus also had worse words for the false religious leaders of his time you may wish to read the whole of matthew 23 to see how Jesus described them.

I think it would be more apt for "daddy" to warn about corruption within his immediate domain first which is the church establishment in general and his rccg in particular.