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@nuclearboy
It is my belief that what would happen in the afterlife is beyond human comprhesion, that aside I have always maintained that bible writers wrote the bible the way they understood it and some of the things God revealed to them they couldn't comprehend or have have the vocabulary to put it down accurately hence the parables and coded prophecies. As I stated earlier I can't with certainity say I know the truth as per the reality and nature of hell but I know enough to know that there a lot of loop holes and inconsistencies in the church definition of hell.

Even though I won't be making any finte submission becos I truely don't know, I have learnt enough to know that the concept of hell presented to us is very faulty and mostly derived from poorly translated text. That aside a person is only a true christian becos he has renewed his soul (born again) and he seeks genuine love for God and his fellow human beings. If a person adheres to the christian religion becos he believes it is an escape route from eternal damnation and he does not have the christian fruit of genuine love for others, the person is only wasting his/her time and is not really a genuine christian. Christianity is based on genuine love and not inspired by fear. Unfortunately the church is to blame for all this poisonous teachings distorting eternal truths.

@femmy
Apart from the fact that is has been proven severally that tithing doesn't and there is more than enough evidence to show that tithers don't enjoy any special priviledges that non-tithers don't, the question we should ask ourselves is if tithing as it is preached today is basef on sound scriptural doctrine or even if the tithing spoken of in the bible is similar to the adulterated version practised today or if it was ever directed at christians. If you genuinely want to know what God's instruction as per tithing is I suggest you meditate over deut 14:22-29, if you do you would realize that Mal 3:10 is not only being twisted and manipulated, it is being used abuse christians and is distorting christian values as preached by christ and the apostles.

Tithing is not only a fraud but most tithe preachers are fraudsters, the rest are genuinely preaching it ignorantly. Either which neither of them is competent enough to lead the flock.

If tithing truely works like those scammers preach, then you shouldn't be in this financial quargmire in the first instance. A christian has no obligation to pay tithes, stop being deceived.

A lot of early christian writings and ancient biblical texts remains locked up till this day in the Vatican vaults.

^^^ those false teachers includes the likes of image123, if people learn to study and understand scritures on their own peeps like image123 would soon be out of business.

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Nice submission in your last paragraph above, another overwhelming evidence that we did not evolve, as the theory of evolution which is based on simple need to survive cannot explan why the human brain is so advanced, complex with numerous abilities not necessary for our survival.

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@inesqor
Wld you say Goodluck Jonathan is the architect of his own destiny? Same goes for OBJ who has ruled this country twice without planning for it.

Ps: I forgot to include "divine intervention" as a determinant of destiny in my previous post.

My two cents; whilst God has given man free will, influence of others, personal capabilities, environmental factors and pure chance have always played a role in determining one's destiny.

@yommyyuk
Bibical tithe was not paid it was given as the tithes ordained in the bible was not money but food produce, that aside tithes was directed to jews and not christians so whilst jews might feel obligde to tithe, christians have no business practising this jewish rite.

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Yomyuk you are absolutely correct, anyone who claims to be born again and does not exhibit these fruits genuinely is a liar.

RCCG is now teaching it's members to do the opposite, contrary to the teachings of christ.

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Obviously CECLc/joagbaje have more potent manipulative dark powers that they use to extract tithes, offerings, first fruits and seeds from their numerous mugus.

@poster
I hope your case is not that of "cunning man die, cunning man bury am" aka scamming the scammers.

@poster
I am certain joeagbaje, olaadegbu, tonye-tithe and image123 would be contacting you shortly.

^^^ image123 specializes in reading the bible upside down, he always forces his reconceived notions into scriptures.

@debosky
Deut 14:22-29 states clearly how tithing should be done and it bears no semblance to how it is being done in RCCG and other tithe paying churches. Tithes as nothing to do with passing a basket round as we know biblical tithes is not money, it was produce of the land. It is very clear from scripture that the type of tithing being preached today is unscriptural and a manipulation of the word of God to feed the greed of a few who's belly is their god. That aside i am quite certain the motive behind this format of collecting tithes in RCCG is aimed at making those who don't tithe to feel left out, it is like a sutle arm twist to get them to tithe. the scam is obvious to me and i no longer have any regard for RCCG. In fact i lost all mu respect for their G.O the day i read the fraud he wrote in the 17th march edition of his "open heavens" devotional in which he he twisted scripture to say that God would bless you a hundred fold if you give your G.O money, it exposed him for who he really is and what his organization stands for.

ogajim:
^^^ Mind control is a serious thing or these guys would not be defending a topic that has been hashed plenty of times here on NL but they seem to use every opportunity they have to regurgitate what they were "INSTRUCTED" to do or they want to be just like the others who do it out of conviction.

I wanted to use this thread to find out why they now have to come out and to see if it was Biblical, they have retorted to insults and "how dare you question a Pastor/"MOG". I am not sure they know the Priesthood has changed but maybe they might find out sooner than later so we all can stop following the herd instead of chatting our own courses.

Suppressed people (mental and physical) find it VERY HARD to maintain a position independently, Jesus Christ came to show the way and how hard is it to follow his footsteps

But you know these rams would rather follow their MOGs rather than follow the direct teachings of christ. We all know what christ said about giving in church or to the less priviledge in matthew 6. I guess that portion of the bible was erase from the version being used in RCCG and other like commercilized churches.

Matthew 6:1-4:
“Watch out! Don’t do your good deeds publicly, to be admired by others, for you will lose the reward from your Father in heaven. 2 When you give to someone in need, don’t do as the hypocrites do—blowing trumpets in the synagogues and streets to call attention to their acts of charity! I tell you the truth, they have received all the reward they will ever get. 3 But when you give to someone in need, don’t let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. 4 Give your gifts in private, and your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.

IF NA YOU

Two young boys stole a bag of oranges from the village market.
They decided to go to the nearest cemetery to share the loot,
But they had to scale a big gate to enter the cemetery.
As they were scaling the gate two oranges fell out of the bag and were
left behind by the fence.
A farmer who was coming from his farm near the cemetery fence, heard
the following conversation going on in the cemetery:
One for me - One for you (Distribution of the loot),
One for me - One for you, On and on
He began to wonder what was going on in the cemetery at that late
evening, he immediately ran as fast as he can to the local Pastor.
He said "Pastor James come with me and witness God and Satan sharing
corpses at the Cemetery"-
They both ran back to the cemetery and stood by the fence and the
voices continued:
"One for me - One for you"
Suddenly one of the voice said "Let's get the two at the fence "
(meaning the Oranges that fell)

One of Pastor James shoes is still at the cemetery as at the time of
writing this article.
Who wan die? Pastor was the first to take off.

The bible makes it clear that it is greedy and fruadulent priest who twist God's word for money, mordern tithe preachers are twisting the word of God.

@mpoktu
Whilst malachi 3:10 exists in the bible it was addressing the levitical priesthood and not the christian priesthood, that aside biblical tithe is not money from income that preachers have twisted it to be it is food produce of the land. Malachi was stating the israelites should bring food and not money.

@stagger
On the contrary those of us who oppose tithing in mordern churches have studied the topic more extensively and thoroughly than the ill informed people who tithe based on the twisted teachings of their pastors, based on these studies we can confidently assert that tithing as it is being reached today is clearly a fraud, that aside it as no relevance to christianity.

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@mpoku
Contrary to your assertions above deut 14:22-29 states exactly how God wanted the israelites [tithing was never directed at christians] to practise tithing, unfortunately most pastors don't preach tithing according to the word of God becos of their greedy ulterior motives.

It has been proven biblically beyond reasonable doubt on this thread that preachers that preach compulsary monetary tithes to their members are greedy and fraudulent. I wonder why any right thinking christian would still be defending such shallow deceitful and self serving false doctrine.

@Tosin
Biblical tithe ordained by God was not money neither was it the exclusive preserve of the levites contrary to what pastors preach today. It is mordern day preachers that twisted tithes to mean money instead of food produce God instructed. The bible describes priests who twist God's word for money as greedy and fraudulent (Jeremiah 8:8-10) also read 2 peter 2:1-3 you see that it is false a fraudulent preachers that twist God's word for money.

@Tosin
That passage explains the purpose, defition and execution of tithes as ordained by God in the bible. This is totally different from the fraudulent definition and practise of tithes preached in tithing churches today. That aside the Malachi 3:10 post pastors love to quote and twist to justify scamming people of 10% of there income is also based on this passage.

@Tosin
I am still waiting for your response to deut 14:22-29.

@Tosin
Read from another version of the bible apart from KJV. That aside you failed to comment on the biblical definition and execution of tithing stated clearly in deut 14:22-29 as opposed to the fraudulent version being preached in churches today.

@Tosin
Go and read God's original instruction on tithing in deut 14:22-29 and compare it to the fraud that is being interpreted to mean tithes in our churches today. That aside hebrews 7:5-18 makes it clear that tithing as been anulled for christians.

^^^ the extent some people go to try and rationalize this illogical evolution myth.

RCCG has long turned commercial, they have to use every trick in the book to maximize revenues.