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@D-optimist
The levites fell under the category of the needy since they had no inheritance of the land of israel, neither were they allowed to work. That was the justication for them to collect tithes however our mordern day MOGs don't fall into this category as they are free to work and own property. It's like our MOGs today want to eat their cake and still have it. I also feel justfied in calling any preacher who deliberately twists God's word for money through false doctrines like the mordern version of tithing. It is the bible that describes them as fraudulent not me, you may wish to read how God describes such preachers in Jeremiah 8:8-10. Know true christian should tolerate twisting of the gosel no matter how highly placed or reputable the preacher is fraudulent teachings such as mandatory tithing from income should be condemned in it's entirety.

@chukwudi
I agree with you that the tithing scam is 100 times worse than the sale of indulgence, as per the martin luther reformation it just goes to show that no matter what happens fraudsters would always find a way to commercialize the gospel.

@D-optimist
Yes I agree that the guiding spirit behind the law is love and that is why God instructed the israelites to give their tithes to the poor and needy contrary to the greed inspired selfish version of illegal tithes being preached by gospel pimps today. Even biblical tithing was based on love contrary to the twisted version being used to 419 christians today.

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I don't know why you guys are bothering to reply joagbaje, isn't it obvious he, oyaks and all the deluded lost souls in CEC plc desperately need help? Isn't it glàring that what they preach is another "gospel" contrary to apostolic teachings? Didn't the apostles warn us of such charlatans?

@D-optimist
Romans 13:8 makes it clear that love fufills the law. "Christ is love" in essence what this means is that the principle/ spirit behind the laws is love and love should be our guide whilst implementing the law, that passage further says if we love others we would not steal from them or commit adultery against them or covet their property. This passage essentially buttresses Jesus teaching in matthew 23:23 were he chastized the harisees for being sticklers for the letters of the law rather than imbibing the spirit of the law which is based on love for others. In summary what christianity teaches is that we should abide by the spirit of the law rather than the letters of it.

@All
Until "christians" start imbibing and living by that commandment which Jesus repeated so often and declared to be his greatest commandment they haven't started the true christian walk. Christianity is not just about being "spiritual" + praise and worship, it is first and foremost about keeping christ's commandments.

@manmuswac
It doesn't prove nada, obviously you can't recognize a joke when you see one.

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Thanx

@D-optimist
Christ fufilled the law by bringing it to an end. Romans 10:4, also if you have time read the whole Galatians 3 & 5, it answers most of the questions pertaining to the law as regards christians.

@D-optimist
Read romans 13:8-10 it would answer your question on how christ commanded we fufill the law and the most important christian doctrine.

@thehomer
Assuming this your evolution myth is true, what "force" is behind it? As in who or what designed living beings with with the ability to "adapt" as a survival strategy? I would like to assume it involves intelligent thinking for living beings to be designed that way and not just "natural" who or what is the intelligence behind this ability to adapt?

[quote author=D-optimist link=topic=459705.msg6255058#msg6255058 date=1277125813]Should we pay the 1/10 always when we get our 'SALARY' or any time you feel like? I mean you can pay this month and let go next month, if you are on salary.

From what you are saying bro, its like this issue of grace as no rules, it allows you do things as it pleases you. Shooo,[/quote]As nuclearboy stated earlier christian giving should be as you purpose in your heart, there are no rules about it. It is up to you to decide if, when and how much to give.

thehomer:
I'm not sure if you actually want to know what the theory of evolution is about because it has already been clarified that if there is a pressure for an organism to evolve, then it will or go extinct.
Since you've mentioned the fossil records, how do you wish to explain the absence of fossils of modern organisms and the presence of fossils of prehistoric organisms?
Has it occurred to you that the way you seem to think evolution works is not the way it has actually been described?
Has it also occurred to you that if this creator God of yours were obvious, we would not even be having this discussion?

Did you read what yo just posted at all? what determines "the pressure for an organism to evolve"? and why should some evolve and one remains unchanged for 400 million years? as it occured to you that the creator God at his discretion could have created different species at different times hence no fossil evidence dating back for all mordern organisms. Has it also occured to you that if this evolution myth was backed with solid facts we would not be having this disscussion? Are you also aware that the crocodile has been around since the age of the dinosaurs9 over 200 million years) Can you also explain what mechanism in evolution stimulates the "ëvolution process"? Are living beings "programmed" that way? In that case who or what programmed them that way?

@nuclearboy
Thanx for assisting in answering that query.

@D-Optimist
In addition to what nuclearboy stated above, kindly note the Jesus was addressing pharisees who were under the law in that passage and not christians who are under grace. That aside also note the what was being tithed was mint and cumin(agricultural produce) and not money that mordern preachers have twisted it to be, I am sure you know it is a grievious sin to twist the word of God.

@St. Richy
How do you define "sucessful man of God"?

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That evolution is a figment of the imagination of those bent on denying the obvious existence of the creator God. If the myth of evolution was true, the insects stated above should have evolved into something else now but fossil records show that they remain exactly the way they were created millions of years ago

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Likewise the dragonfly has not evolved in over 400 million years.

@36991
Jesus christ was not a levite, he was from the tribe of Judah and was not eligible to collect tithes. Heb 7:11-13

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Image123 is only interested in protecting his source of filthy lucre, he doesn't really care wether God likes it at all.

@kola
Ashimolowo is denying christ by his actions, he preaches prosperity gospel and encourages love for money whilst christ warned us against mamon, that aside he preaches deceptive doctrines fueled by his personal greed to fleece the flock on a regular basis.

@Kola
The bible confirms he is a crook in 2 peter 2:1-3 and titus 1:11, if you need more scriptural confirmation he is a fraud I would gladly oblidge.

@D-optimist
You obviously know very little about tithes and you need to do more studies. You can start with deut 14:22-29 were tithes was properly defined and the practise explained when you are thry with that read hebrews 7:5-19 were the practise of tithing was anulled for christians. The bible also describes tithing as a weak, useless and unprofitable practise in that passage.

@Post
Why should pastor Ashimolowo's opinion matter? After all he is a confirmed false teacher/ con man and a merchandizer of the gospel. Him and his likes don't any credibility to comment on matters like this.

@Post
Cause most so-called christians are hypocrites who would rather keep the commandments of their MOGs than keep the commandments of christ.

@mabell
If we call would pastor chris explain to us why he fraudulently uses the word of God to scam money from ignorant muguns like yourself?

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@nuclear boy
Brilliant summation, God bless you for this. What you have written above is the koko of the matter and the resultant societal effect. This evil greed motivated false tithe doctrine is making christian abandon their primary and most important christian duty of loving our neighbours through helping them with our resources. Imagine if just half of the money being scammed off people as tithes was used to help the down trodden in society, Nigeria would be a much much safer place for us to live in.

What a bunch of self righteous hypocrites the Pharisee Federation of Nigeira[PFN] One thing is certain even if Tb Joshua has his short comings which is yet to be proven, he is a much better christian that all the pastors in PFN put together. Bunch of deluded fruadulent Pharisees.

viaro:
However, Galatians 5:4 is in view of JUSTIFICATION - "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." If one keeps the Law because they are seeking to be JUSTIFIED by that Law, then they are not looking to grace. But on what basis then is the said "obligation" to do the Law? It is on the basis of CIRCUMCISION -

[list]"I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law" - Galatians 5:3, ESV[/list]

In other words, the "obligation" to the Law is on the basis of CIRCUMCISION. In effect, Paul argues this point from verse 2 - "Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you" . . . that is the basis for the statement about "falling from grace".

In all this, for anyone to be "obligated" to do the whole Law, such a person MUST first accept circumcision. If that is not the case, there is no basis for using TITHES to argue that someone has fallen from grace - that is the most hollow and illiterate argument anyone can make from Galatians! Tithes were never given in the Bible as a matter for justification. NEVER! One who gave tithes was not more justified than one who did not give tithes at anytime. So using tithes as an argument foisted upon Galatians is quite uncalled for!

your penchant to manipulate scriptures is not new to me so i am not suprised at your ill conceived post above, even a stark illiterate would know from reading the gal 5:4 that the falling from grace was not specific to the issue of circumcision alone but to keeping the laws as a whole, the law concerning cicumcision was merely used as an example. If you want to educate your self read the whole chaptr in context, you may also wish to read chapter 3 as well it might relieve you of part of your ignorance. That aside we all know that the criminal elements who preach compulsary tithing preach from the perspective of the law which has been anulled for christians. What pains me most is that it is glaring that you of all people know the truth about tithing but you feel more comfortable with preachers using it to scam people instead of telling people the truth about it. You even have the audacity to suggest that we should also preach the scam since it is not "wrong" to give. As christians are we not meant to up hold the truth? Why should we tolerate preachers scamming people in the name of God cause they claim they are using the money to further the gospel. Why didn't Paul and the other Apostles collect same in the excuse they wanted to spread the gospel? I have repeated several times on this forum that my grose is not against tithers my grouse is against those who ware using the name of God and his church to scam people via the false doctrine of tithes as is being preached in our churches today.

Image123:
Thanks for the above viaro. May God enrich and increase you. My only fear is that the types of kunle will not comment on the above, but will at some other time or some other thread make the same assertions. I do hope that that changes

Trust you to support any post that supports your trade and your income of filthy lucre   no matter how shallow and poorly conceived the post is olodo.

@prettyeyes
You are a liar, there is not one single verse in the bible that the word "PAY" was used in relation to tithes, the words used were give/gave/bring. Biblical tithes was not money so it was never paid. You don't have to resort to lies to justfy your unscriptural manmade doctrines.

@garyarnorld
Galatians 5:4 which spoke of falling from grace if one keeps the law was addressed to the Galatians who were gentiles and not Jews. So you were very right in that regard, don't allow Viaro to confuse you.

@noetic
Na you know, Mr know all I have stated my own position.

^^^ It is tithe preaching pastors that are mocking God and the church.

@nuclearboy
Nice test , anyone who takes this test and can get at least 50% of the questions right and still resorts to practising mandatory tithing the way it is preached in church to deceive the laity would seriously need to have his head examined. Also the persons so called christian faith would need to be called to question.

@femmy
Whilst you are at it, I suggest you read Galatians 5:4 and see what it says of christians who are trying to justify themselves by keeping the law of which tithes is an integral part.