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@deepsight
I don't believe you could make those comments, tithing remains one of the most dangerous and harmful heresies in christianity as the teaching and practise of it runs contrary to the spirit and the letters of the gospel of christ, it is turning christians into greedy and selfish mamon worshippers that Jesus warned us against. It is also making christians neglect their obligations to help the needy cos they feel they have fufilled all righteousness by paying the so called tithe. I am sure you read the thread on "paying tithe or assisting a sick friend" did you see how some so called christians state that they would rather pay tithe than carry out the instruction of Jesus to help those in need around us. Besides the spirit behind the preaching of tithes as commercialized the church and turned it into a den of thieves and robbers. We all remember how angry Jesus got when these same scammers commercialized the temple in Jerusalem. Tithing is surely one of the most harmful heresies of mordern day christianity.

@Africankel
Have a wonderful birthday, may this day mark the beginning of a better tomorrow in Jesus name.

@tonye-tithes
And is the tithing being preached and promoted In our churches today the same as the tithe of "mint and cummin" which was spoken of in that passage? That is apart from the fact that it was directed to those under the law as opposed to us christians who are under grace? Can you honestly say as a christian that scriptures have not been twisted and abused to arrive at the type of unscriptural tithing being preached in churches today? Is it not heretic to twist scriptures?

@Mad max
I am yet to see a single shred of evidence that conclusively supports the evolution myth, instead they either bring forward fossils of extinct animals and make wide and ridiculous assertions that it is a prehistoric ancestor of another animal with any tangible evidence. On the contrary they use examples of adaptation which is observable in our world today and stretch it to mean evolution over longer periods of time again without a single shred of sound evidence and you expect me to believe the bukum? I repeat with all certainity that there is not a single shred of evidence today that supports evolution, animals are still going extinct today and NOT evolving into other species as some shallow scientist would have us believe.

@tonye-tithes
So how come even though your so called ordinances were never directed to christians, you fill comfortable with the clergy twisting it and applying it ilegally to christianity. What could be more heretic than that ?

@Mad max
Evolution is cruel and wasteful simply becos it is a myth invented and promoted by those whose minds are to small to comprhend the awsome abilities of an almighty creator. Even the most brilliant scientist would admit that they don't know 99.9999% of what God revealed to us in nature and they are still learning. TOE is so shallow that it is delusional and contrary to common sense and logic.

@R4Jesus
True Ifa teachings is not demonic contrary to what we have been made to believe and what is depicted in films, Ifa teaches it's adherents to live a good life and treat others well similar to some christian teachings in the bible.

It still eludes me how any right thinking and rational human being would believe the outlandish and ridiculously daft evolution hypothesis which has been proven time and time again to be false. The missing links would forever remain missing cause they don't exist. Even if you don't subscribe to any form of religion, to console yourself that there is no God or that we were not created is the greatest form of delusion. I seriously believe all atheist need psychiatric help.

@tonye-tithes
Given the "epistle" you just wrote on what sound christian doctrine should and also how to distinguish it from false doctrines, I am at a loss as to why you openly and greedily accept the heretic and non-biblical version of tithes being used by the clergy today to fleece the gullible. Your post smirks of high level hypocrisy.

Definitely Donald Duke, best presidential material we have in Nigeria as at today.

@jenwitemi
If you are the person I am thinking of then you should "know" by now. Anyway I just perceive a striking similarity between your world views.

Back to the topic, I strongly support nuclearboy's motive for raising this issue. A lot of brethen are being led astray by false doctrines and heresies being preached by all these so called men of god. They must be challenged and made to shut up else they lead more souls to perdition with their deluded selves. (Titus1:11) as christians we can't afford to keep quite but expose the wolves that have infiltrated the flock based on scripture. Also I would like to commend all those seriously contending for the faith on this forum especially nuclearboy, enigma and alethia [even though we disagree on the doctrine of trinity] you guys are doing a great job, even though I don't comment as often as I used to, I try to keep abreast of daily comments in this forum. It is my prayer that God would continue to reveal his will to us all whilst we grow steadfastly in the faith.

@nuclearboy
The word translated into doctrine according to Strong's concordance means instruction/teaching. It is not defined as a belief.

@Jenwitemi
You sound very much like an old nairaland friend, could you be the same person under a new I.D

^^^ but we have enough conclusive evidence that Oyaks, Oyedepo, their mentors and cohorts are false prophets. It doesn't really matter to me if they are cultist in addition cause being a false prophet already makes you far worse than a cultist. False prophets by virtue of their racket are destroying the lives of millions faithfuls and leading them to perdition whilst the evil cultist do is usually restricted to their immediate environment and just a few people are affected.

Tithing is not a christian obligation, as a christian you are not required to tithe in the first instance and pastors only preach tithing through twisting of the scriptures to enrich themselves or their church. To know the truth about tithes and how it is meant to be done read deut 14:22-29. You would discover that is is just a part of the Jewish tradition not applicable to christianity.

@nuclearboy
Going by your submissions above, you have already termed those of us who don't agree with your your exra biblical concept of trinity as heretics, that's really a shame. That aside the greatest doctrine in christianity as defined by Jesus himself is missing from your list of seven doctrines. Jesus made it clear that the greatest doctrine in christianity is to love God an to love others (matthew 22:35-38) and romans 13:10 also states that love is the fufilment of the law so you can't be truly talking about christian doctrine with basing it on this fundermental issue(Love) that Jesus based most of his teachings on.

@OP
In the first instance tithing is not a christian obligation, but a manipulation of scriptures to achieve a predetermined end of fleecing the flock thru twisted teachings. Christian giving as taught by the disciples should be "as you purpose in your heart" 2 Cor 9:7. Tithing as it is preached and practised today is unchristian and derived from the manipulation of obsolete jewish rites recorded in the old testament. To have a better idea on why tithing in churches today is unscriptural, read Deut 14:22-29 to see the true meaning and purpose of tithing.

Messiah!

@nuclearboy
I am the last person on this forum that shd be described as a WOFer, as I said earlier I really don't like debating this trinity topic on a public forum. However the onus is on you trinitarians to show us sound scriptural proof of trinity or one single scripture that implies Jesus is co-equal with God. As far as the bible is concerned Jesus is the son of God and God is superior to him. I would not be led by sentiments to add to scriptures or add extra biblical theories to it.

@joagbaje
What exactly would you like to know? The fact remains that Donald Duke is the best presidential material available in this country today and naturally political minions feel threatened by his towering credentials. Already you can see some delinquents trying to dis-credit the man by twisting facts to buttress their delusions.

^^^ ;d ;d ;d

There is only one God almighty who is the creator God. There are several other super natural beings who were termed god in and outside the bible. The capital G to delienate the creator God is done to show he is superior to the lesser gods, I use capital G to describe Jesus as a God also to express his superiority to the lesser gods, that however does not make him equal to God the father.

@enigma
I think the mistake you are making is that you assume only one God exists like other trinitarians you then panel beat scriptures to justify calling Jesus "God almighty" by coming up with the extra biblical three in one concept. The bible acknowledges the existence of other gods but only the almighty creator God is worthy of worship.

Quick question, what is your definition of God? Also what is your definition of gods?

The bible makes it clear that Jesus is the son of God, that then makes him a God as well. Jesus never claimed equality with the father, I think it is wrong for us as christians to force our opinion into scriptures.
@nuclearboy
Your allegory is contrary to sound scripture and there is no biblical basis for it. We can as well claim to be gods like those deluded WOFers since the bible says we were created in God's image and likeness.

^^^ I have studied the scriptures and yet to see one single clear cut scripture that supports the allegation of Jesus being equal to God the father, on the contrary there are tonnes of scriptures which makes it clear that God the father is superior and a totally different entity from Jesus even though scripture makes it clear that Jesus is identical to God his father.

Much as I dis-like debating this "trinity" topic, I believe it is blasphemous to describe Jesus as co-equal with God. Jesus himself makes it crystal clear in the bible that the Father is greater than he is and he is subject to the will of the Father who sent him. As christians we should learn to stick to undiluted scriptures and not force our biases into it. Much as I love Jesus, worship and adore him, I would never equate him to God the father almighty who is the father and God of our saviour Jesus christ.

Cos sahara reporters is notoriuos for manufacturing their stories and spreading baseless rumours.

^^^ well I am glad you acknowledge greed as found it's way into church doctrines and the gospel is being distorted becos of greed (2 peter 2:3, titus 1:11) we were warned very strongly that false teachings would emanate from false teachers becos of their greed, that is why we must continue to exhort one and other so that brethen would not fall victim of these wolves in sheep's clothing. That aside they are poisoning the gospel and leading several away from the truth whilst fleecing them. That is why any opportunity to expose their false teachings like chukwudi has done should be encouraged.

That "looney" Richard Dawkins is always preaching atheism at any opportunity he gets. I actually watched a programme on on discovery channel were he was preahing atheism to some school children under the guise of "evolution"

@Viaro
Well the writeup addressed how funds were raised in the early church and how the funds were disbursed, tithing was conspiciously and glaringly absent. That aside the type of giving explained there is contrary to the nature of tithing preached today. The onus is actually on criminals trying to impose tithing on christians to prove that tithing is part of the apostalic traditions handed down by the apostles to the church.

Mmh viaro and her illogical reverse logic.