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@DBR
As you may not be aware tithing is a well and thoroughly discussed topic on this forum and all the lies being bandied about to decieve christians into tithing as been thoroughly debated on this here, you may wish to visit https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113108.0.html to know how far we have gone on this topic so you would realize that you have stated nothing new. I see you are appealing to the abrahamic tithe to justify the racket, but is there any instruction in the bible that Israelites or even christians should tithe based on this one off action of abraham? We all know that pastors preach tithes based on malachi 3 which is based on the law and not from abraham's example which is a one off free will offering so why use this scripture to justify the mandatory tithes being extorted by pastors in our churches today. What we are saying today is the church and by extention most pastors are not being truthfully as far as tithes is concerned, they twist scriptures to justify the unbiblical nature of the tithes they extort from the ignorant, as christians some of us believe this is evil and it is very wrong to use scriptures to deceive people into parting with their hard earned income, pastors must preach the truth and leave christians to decided how much of their income they want to use to support the church.

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On a more serious note I sincerely weep for all those under the spiritual direction of joagbaje, chris oyaks and the entire membership of christ embassy PLC

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@DBR
New testament believers are not required to pay tithe in any form. Tithing is not part of the christian faith taught by christ and handed down to us by the apostles. Titheing was first smuggled into the church in the year 585 AD well over 500 years after christianity was established. I suggest you do some independent research of this false doctrine devoid of your church leadership who would obviously be biased.

@martian
Joagbaje is not a tithe paying member of christ embassy, he is actually a tithe collecting pastor of the sect and unlike the OP he seems to be very well rewarded by the church. However this might be due to the fact that he runs his own branch of CEC and is in direct control of the finances[tithes,offerings,first fruit, seed sowing, prophet's offering, partnership offering, building fund e.t.c] collected, thus he doesn't need to wait for any miserable salary if and when they decide to pay.

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I don't know about Paul, but I know that pastor chris and pastor agbaje are certainly more spiritual than baby teeth James.

James biggest offence is that he did not preach or emphasize the false tithe doctrine neither can his writings be twisted to suit prosperity merchants.

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@pastorAIO
I can tell you authuritatively that the type of tithes image123 collects in his church is found nowwhere in the bible. The type he collects is the one instituted by the mamon god and it's collection started when mamon invaded the church in the 19th century long after the bible had been compiled.

FEMARY:
This thread has been on for almost three years now---2008,I just came across it.Thanks Kunle Oshobu for exposing the truth.I have already printed your earliest post and gave it to my GM who really want to know the truth about this doctrine.The truth about tithing has been exposed and is laid bare for anybody to see.Some may keep arguing the truth because the truth is not in them in the first place.So even if they see white they will still like to call it black.I love the testimony of seguno2 in the earliest page of this thread of giving to Gideons and still get blessed.This is the most researched and unbiased expose on the topic of tithe i have ever read.Than you Kunle Oshobu.God bless you for exposing the truth.

My pleasure, thanx for the compliments!

Mmmmh very interesting reading.

God bless you yommyuk for this post. It is really instructive in the regard that it ultimately has to do with our salvation. The example of the priest and levites[supposed holy men] is also instructive, it is a clear reminder to all our pastor worshippers that just becos a man is a pastor does not necessarily mean the man is doing the will of God or he is saved himself. Any church whose doctrine, faith, practises and beliefs is not based on genuine love for others is simply not following christ. With this in mind given the parable of the good samaritan, how many of us and our churches are truelly following christ?

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Thankfully those of us inspired by the holy spirit including the apostles who wrote the new testament know clearly that tithing is NOT required of true believers.

@mackdealer
The issue is not whether tithes works or not[it obviously doesn't work except in the minds of those deluding themselves], the issue is that tithes as it is preached practised and interpreted today is NOT biblical and the doctrine is arrived at after twisting scripture, this is a BIG sin in the sight of God and I believe the church must stand for the truth. Personally I find it very dis-heartening as a christian that the word of my God is being twisted and used to deceive christians into parting with 10% of their income. The truth is that most tithers don't even know they are being deceived and threads like this have helped several christians to com to the knowledge of truth concerning tithes and they have stop giving their money to fraudsters in the false believe they are giving to God. As christians we owe it to our brethen to share the truth with them no matter whose OX is gored.

@image123
I see were you are going, but b4 you attempt to mis-lead people based on "levitical tithe" kindly explain why churches collect it every week/month in physical cash contrary to the clear mandate in the bible that it should collected once in three years and it must strictly be from food stuffs produced in the land of Israel.

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Even if the scammer can't post the so called link to the so called threaf that twists deut 14 successfully, let him reproduce his lies here so we can dissect them an show it for the fraud it is.

PS: I am really so glad that several posts on, not one single attempt has been made by the tithemongers to defend their scam based on deut 14, this provides further evidence to all and sundry that the tithe doctrine is a very cheap and shallow fraud which would easily be revealed if only christians would read and study their bible.

When Jesus said call no man father in matthew 23:9, he was talking within the temple(church) setting. He was refering to the elders/pharisees/saducees, in short the leadership of the church. If you read from the beginning of the chapter in context, this would become clear to you. Or better still read from the amplified bible, the amp bible makes it clear that Jesus was refering to the "church" leadership by that statement an NOT their biological father.

@kokoye
Yes it was deliberate, the scammers are fond of quoting this phrase: "if you don't pay your tithes, it would be tight for you"

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@tonye
Me sef dey wait your twisted translation you never know, you might yet convince me to start paying tights to your church.

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@image
As far as you are concern we have been on this debate for the last three years, that is not to say I have not been debating the topic with other tithe mongers for the last ten years. Learn to read and understand a post well before posting hubris.

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The above aptly descibes most pentecostal churches today, it also adequately reveals that the prosperity gospel they preach is false and inspired by their god mamon.

PS: this post is really queer coming from someone who believes the false gospel being peddle and worships that fraudster who goes by the name pastor chris.

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@nuclearboy
You wan spoil business for our main man pastor joe, how the man go chop if his customers don't believe they have to go thru him to receive God's blessings?

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Correction, it is the "love of money" that is the root of all evil and not just money.

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@kokoye
You would wait till Jesus comes and you still won't get an answer. I have been asking tithe mongers this question for the last ten years, not even their most manipulative proponents has been able to successfully twist that particular scripture.

Deuteronomy 14 is the albatross of tithemongers, they actually avoid discussing that passage becos it exposes mordern day tithing as preached in our churches to be the fraud that it is.

@kokoye
You will never get an answer from them, I have been asking image123 to explain that passage for the last three years but he keeps running round in circles, refusing to address the issues raised whilst clutching at straws.

@joagbaje
Despite all the numerous scriptures you posted to obfuscate issues, you have still failed to show any biblical basis for church marriage or any scripture that supports your allusion that marriages conducted in church attract a special blessing from God. Still waiting for answers with scriptural backing.

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@joagbaje
Can you quote a single scripture (in proper context) that supports what you posted above?

That aside are you aware that there is no scriptural basis for church marriage, that it is only a tradition of men evolved from man's love for religion?

A pastor is simply a sheperd.

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So going by your twisted logic, is tithe mongering not a trade? Is not a source of illicit income for those who preach itin the business concerns which they falsely label as church?

you guys after put yourselves in the shoes of Pastor Joe, he has to defend the self imposed "authority" of his profession and his source of filthy lucre.

@kokoye
Obviously you know me from way back, nice to know that the truth is that the fraudulent doctrine of tithes is still being perpetuated despite it's extremely poor scriptural foundation becos the preachers preaching it are benefitting from it and the sheeple are tooo deluded and brainwashed to ask simple questions.